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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: David M on June 07, 2011, 12:49:37 PM
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Props to Bobby for droppin some truth. Just listened to his rant on PBW. I took the liberty of quoting this.
"To be quite frank, People do rely on gear too much. They rely on diuretics too much. They rely on a lot of different things and thats NOT the way it was designed to be".
- Athletes Rep B. Chick
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Thats a rather pointless thing to say as 100 percent of all the Pro Competitors rely on drugs and diuretics 100 percent of the time.
Sometimes he says the absolutely dumbest things ever.
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Thats a rather pointless thing to say as 100 percent of all the Pro Competitors rely on drugs and diuretics 100 percent of the time.
Sometimes he says the absolutely dumbest things ever.
You're comprehension is that of a 4 year old.
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haha Chick himself was all drugs.
even now, long past his last show, you think he's been clean?
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Props to Bobby for droppin some truth. Just listened to his rant on PBW. I took the liberty of quoting this.
"To be quite frank, People do rely on gear too much. They rely on diuretics too much. They rely on a lot of different things and thats NOT the way it was designed to be".
- Athletes Rep B. Chick
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I agree 100%. If I've said once I've said it a million times, today's pro's rely on gear more so that actual training that's why 90% are lazy in the gym. If they weren't on gear they wouldn't train.
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You're comprehension is that of a 4 year old.
So there are natural Pro Bodybuilders actively competing in the IFBB? ???
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haha Chick himself was all drugs.
even now, long past his last show, you think he's been clean?
Like me, I'm sure he's been on and off over the years and when he's off he retains good size. A sign that he was never a heavy user. He's still big and still looks healthy. Have you ever seen Bob small? Something gh15 doesn't quite understand.
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Like me, I'm sure he's been on and off over the years and when he's off he retains good size. A sign that he was never a heavy user. He's still big and still looks healthy. Have you ever seen Bob small? Something gh15 doesn't quite understand.
Since the age of 20 or so, what's the longest stretch of time do you think Bob had gone without using?
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So there are natural Pro Bodybuilders actively competing in the IFBB? ???
What?? That's not what was even remotely trying to get at.
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Setting a maximum amount of drug use is impossible. I'd solve the problem by setting a maximum weight limit of 240 lbs.
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Do you get extra points if you train harder in the gym and use 5 % less gear? ::)
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Since the age of 20 or so, what's the longest stretch of time do you think Bob had gone without using?
Haven't a clue.
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I agree 100%. If I've said once I've said it a million times, today's pro's rely on gear more so that actual training that's why 90% are lazy in the gym. If they weren't on gear they wouldn't train.
X1000
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Isn't there gonna be a height class at the Arnold amateur supposedly for nats?
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Says a man that will be as natural as anyone on the masters stage..
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Do you get extra points if you train harder in the gym and use 5 % less gear? ::)
I think the point hes trying to make, is rather than diet the right way and do a proper contest prep, theyre lazy, and try and use diuretics and gear to try and drop the fat.
Often times using that extra gear and last minute drugs make the competitors look wayy shittier than ones that dieted religiously and didnt have to used drastic drug regimes to get into shape.
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Do you get extra points if you train harder in the gym and use 5 % less gear? ::)
yes.
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I agree 100%. If I've said once I've said it a million times, today's pro's rely on gear more so that actual training that's why 90% are lazy in the gym. If they weren't on gear they wouldn't train.
TRUTH !!
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yes.
Extra points by the way of a better looking physique.
You can instantly tell if someone did a shitty job on their diet and had to use a boatload of drugs to try and catch up and dry out.
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Chick is dropping some serious knowledge lately
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Extra points by the way of a better looking physique.
You can instantly tell if someone did a shitty job on their diet and had to use a boatload of drugs to try and catch up and dry out.
It's getting worse all the time. That's why Chad keeps saying that no one has been impressive this year. Other than Evan and Flex, no one has looked like they put in the effort to really be prepared.
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Chick is spot on once again.
Half-assed pussified training, and cheating on "so called diets" are now the norm.
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bodybuilding = 90% hormona , 5% training, 5% nutrition
in other words
no gear = no bodybuilder.
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Wrong. No training = no bodybuilder 90% drugs = lazy drug addict
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I think the point hes trying to make, is rather than diet the right way and do a proper contest prep, theyre lazy, and try and use diuretics and gear to try and drop the fat.
Often times using that extra gear and last minute drugs make the competitors look wayy shittier than ones that dieted religiously and didnt have to used drastic drug regimes to get into shape.
While that's true...it runs much deeper than that. In the old days, there wasn't much incentive money wise...so almost everyone did it for the love of the game and a title...over the years, the opportunities to actually make a living from the sport has become a reality, and for many, this has provided the blueprint to try and asend the top as soon as possible...often by using faster methods.
in the " old days" there was a unwritten rule about advancing to bigger shows where by you needed to progress up the ladder by actually WINNING. Local, state, regional, jr. Nat, national....I remember Paul DeMayo going back to the Jr. nationals 3-4 times because he felt if he couldn't win the overall, then he wasn't prepared to be at the National Level...very smart and very realistic at the same time.
Trey Brewer comes to mind as a kid who had a great start, and some good promise....but a contract too soon and a program made for a 10 year veteran, not a rank amateur...insured that he would never reach that potential and faded out into obscurity in record time....sad. I'll never forget seeing Trey sitting at a table at a National show with a stack of 8X10's to autograph...when the only title he had was the NPC Excalibur...a LOCAL show...here he was signing autographs like a superstar, when in reality, he couldn't have placed in the top 10 at the show he was sitting at!
This isn't meant to disrespect Tre in any way, he was and is a good kid...but he was managed completly wrong and thrown to the wolves with delusions of grandeur...
times have changed...some for the better, some...not so much. Some of the competitors need to realize that jus because you qualified to compete nationally, doesn't mean you SHOULD compete nationally...
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Good post Bob.
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While that's true...it runs much deeper than that. In the old days, there wasn't much incentive money wise...so almost everyone did it for the love of the game and a title...over the years, the opportunities to actually make a living from the sport has become a reality, and for many, this has provided the blueprint to try and asend the top as soon as possible...often by using faster methods.
in the " old days" there was a unwritten rule about advancing to bigger shows where by you needed to progress up the ladder by actually WINNING. Local, state, regional, jr. Nat, national....I remember Paul DeMayo going back to the Jr. nationals 3-4 times because he felt if he couldn't win the overall, then he wasn't prepared to be at the National Level...very smart and very realistic at the same time.
Trey Brewer comes to mind as a kid who had a great start, and some good promise....but a contract too soon and a program made for a 10 year veteran, not a rank amateur...insured that he would never reach that potential and faded out into obscurity in record time....sad. I'll never forget seeing Trey sitting at a table at a National show with a stack of 8X10's to autograph...when the only title he had was the NPC Excalibur...a LOCAL show...here he was signing autographs like a superstar, when in reality, he couldn't have placed in the top 10 at the show he was sitting at!
This isn't meant to disrespect Tre in any way, he was and is a good kid...but he was managed completly wrong and thrown to the wolves with delusions of grandeur...
times have changed...some for the better, some...not so much. Some of the competitors need to realize that jus because you qualified to compete nationally, doesn't mean you SHOULD compete nationally...
This post is 100% spot on.
This is why I still appreciate Robert's input on the state of professional bodybuilding. He knows the truth and can be a true beacon for these upcoming bodybuilders.
Some of you question Bob's motives and think that he is a company man, but fuck that noise (as a well respected homosexual on this forum would often say), because if it came down to your family's well being and your stupid reputation on an online forum, you too would pick the well being of your wife/husband and kids.
Bob is probably in a much better place now, where he is more capable of speaking the truth without the contractual limitations that could lead to potential monetary repercussions.
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This post is 100% spot on.
This is why I still appreciate Robert's input on the state of professional bodybuilding. He knows the truth and can be a true beacon for these upcoming bodybuilders.
Some of you question Bob's motives and think that he is a company man, but fuck that noise (as a well respected homosexual on this forum would often say), because if it came down to your family's well being and your stupid reputation on an online forum, you too would pick the well being of your wife/husband and kids.
Bob is probably in a much better place now, where he is more capable of speaking the truth without the contractual limitations that could lead to potential monetary repercussions.
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shit, and me thinking Trey had paid his dues, after all he did the customary gay pics that bob did (fireman, etc) and I am sure he stopped by the mirage
I guess somewhere somehow he was found missing. Bob had that problem at first but soon discovered how to pay his dues and get a well due master's win.
I hope all the heavy squating didnt ruin your back Bobby
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While that's true...it runs much deeper than that. In the old days, there wasn't much incentive money wise...so almost everyone did it for the love of the game and a title...over the years, the opportunities to actually make a living from the sport has become a reality, and for many, this has provided the blueprint to try and asend the top as soon as possible...often by using faster methods.
in the " old days" there was a unwritten rule about advancing to bigger shows where by you needed to progress up the ladder by actually WINNING. Local, state, regional, jr. Nat, national....I remember Paul DeMayo going back to the Jr. nationals 3-4 times because he felt if he couldn't win the overall, then he wasn't prepared to be at the National Level...very smart and very realistic at the same time.
Trey Brewer comes to mind as a kid who had a great start, and some good promise....but a contract too soon and a program made for a 10 year veteran, not a rank amateur...insured that he would never reach that potential and faded out into obscurity in record time....sad. I'll never forget seeing Trey sitting at a table at a National show with a stack of 8X10's to autograph...when the only title he had was the NPC Excalibur...a LOCAL show...here he was signing autographs like a superstar, when in reality, he couldn't have placed in the top 10 at the show he was sitting at!
This isn't meant to disrespect Tre in any way, he was and is a good kid...but he was managed completly wrong and thrown to the wolves with delusions of grandeur...
times have changed...some for the better, some...not so much. Some of the competitors need to realize that jus because you qualified to compete nationally, doesn't mean you SHOULD compete nationally...
Are you telling me i should not do North Americans this year Bob? What if i know full and well im going to get my ass handed to me?
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Solid Getbiggery from the Chickmeister yet again. 8)
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Are you telling me i should not do North Americans this year Bob? What if i know full and well im going to get my ass handed to me?
well bug the question is: have u payed ur dues?
if u havent then bob says dont even try it. Do it the good old fashion way, ie, lick ass and dick, do a lot of squating, draw lines in the floor, and one day u will be ready for competing with the big boys
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well bug the question is: have u payed ur dues?
if u havent then bob says dont even try it. Do it the good old fashion way, ie, lick ass and dick, do a lot of squating, draw lines in the floor, and one day u will be ready for competing with the big boys
Do i go to the Mirage for that? Room 7 by the ice machine? :D Just kidding Bob.
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well bug the question is: have u payed ur dues?
if u havent then bob says dont even try it. Do it the good old fashion way, ie, lick ass and dick, do a lot of squating, draw lines in the floor, and one day u will be ready for competing with the big boys
you seem to spend an awful lot of time making homosexual comments...even when the dialogue doesn't have anything to do with the subject, nor anyone else making similar comments...
Hmmmm....
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Why did BSN drop Trey? He can't win every contest.
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While that's true...it runs much deeper than that. In the old days, there wasn't much incentive money wise...so almost everyone did it for the love of the game and a title...over the years, the opportunities to actually make a living from the sport has become a reality, and for many, this has provided the blueprint to try and asend the top as soon as possible...often by using faster methods.
in the " old days" there was a unwritten rule about advancing to bigger shows where by you needed to progress up the ladder by actually WINNING. Local, state, regional, jr. Nat, national....I remember Paul DeMayo going back to the Jr. nationals 3-4 times because he felt if he couldn't win the overall, then he wasn't prepared to be at the National Level...very smart and very realistic at the same time.
Trey Brewer comes to mind as a kid who had a great start, and some good promise....but a contract too soon and a program made for a 10 year veteran, not a rank amateur...insured that he would never reach that potential and faded out into obscurity in record time....sad. I'll never forget seeing Trey sitting at a table at a National show with a stack of 8X10's to autograph...when the only title he had was the NPC Excalibur...a LOCAL show...here he was signing autographs like a superstar, when in reality, he couldn't have placed in the top 10 at the show he was sitting at!
This isn't meant to disrespect Tre in any way, he was and is a good kid...but he was managed completly wrong and thrown to the wolves with delusions of grandeur...
times have changed...some for the better, some...not so much. Some of the competitors need to realize that jus because you qualified to compete nationally, doesn't mean you SHOULD compete nationally...
kick ass post , Bob
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you seem to spend an awful lot of time making homosexual comments...even when the dialogue doesn't have anything to do with the subject, nor anyone else making similar comments...
Hmmmm....
Gayer than ordering Pink Pancakes 7 months away from Breast Care Awareness week.
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yeah good post bob,really keeping it honest,too bad gotta read all the idiots posts to get to the good ones
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While that's true...it runs much deeper than that. In the old days, there wasn't much incentive money wise...so almost everyone did it for the love of the game and a title...over the years, the opportunities to actually make a living from the sport has become a reality, and for many, this has provided the blueprint to try and asend the top as soon as possible...often by using faster methods.
in the " old days" there was a unwritten rule about advancing to bigger shows where by you needed to progress up the ladder by actually WINNING. Local, state, regional, jr. Nat, national....I remember Paul DeMayo going back to the Jr. nationals 3-4 times because he felt if he couldn't win the overall, then he wasn't prepared to be at the National Level...very smart and very realistic at the same time.
Trey Brewer comes to mind as a kid who had a great start, and some good promise....but a contract too soon and a program made for a 10 year veteran, not a rank amateur...insured that he would never reach that potential and faded out into obscurity in record time....sad. I'll never forget seeing Trey sitting at a table at a National show with a stack of 8X10's to autograph...when the only title he had was the NPC Excalibur...a LOCAL show...here he was signing autographs like a superstar, when in reality, he couldn't have placed in the top 10 at the show he was sitting at!
This isn't meant to disrespect Tre in any way, he was and is a good kid...but he was managed completly wrong and thrown to the wolves with delusions of grandeur...
times have changed...some for the better, some...not so much. Some of the competitors need to realize that jus because you qualified to compete nationally, doesn't mean you SHOULD compete nationally...
Never leave us!
Wait a minute here.....I could swear Bob was trying to be helpful, insightful, and spilling some industry insider type info....What could this mean hmm.......
BOB IS GH15!!! I FUCKING KNEW THERE WAS A CONNECTION!!!!!!
j/k :D
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you seem to spend an awful lot of time making homosexual comments...even when the dialogue doesn't have anything to do with the subject, nor anyone else making similar comments...
Hmmmm....
he said nothing gay in that post-its only gay if u want it to be chicky boom boom
youre the one mentioning gay stuff in every post u make old man
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Solid Bobservation.
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Trey Brewer comes to mind as a kid who had a great start, and some good promise....but a contract too soon and a program made for a 10 year veteran, not a rank amateur...insured that he would never reach that potential and faded out into obscurity in record time....sad. I'll never forget seeing Trey sitting at a table at a National show with a stack of 8X10's to autograph...when the only title he had was the NPC Excalibur...a LOCAL show...here he was signing autographs like a superstar, when in reality, he couldn't have placed in the top 10 at the show he was sitting at!
Bob, and have you ever talked about this thing with the guys at the BSN? I mean for them Trey was still a good deal? Like "Hey kids buy the True Mass and Cell Mass and you're gonna be huge like this kid, Trey!"
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Chick is spot on once again.
Half-assed pussified training, and cheating on "so called diets" are now the norm.
Of course. Pros of the past were actually into lifting weights and being strong, now pros and gym rats alike only care about artificial and synthetic muscle that comes from a bottle and dont even care about quality anymore. Its just a testament to how society has become, they want to completely skip the work and get right to the prize with as little effort as possible. People dont like working hard period.
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Bob, and have you ever talked about this thing with the guys at the BSN? I mean for them Trey was still a good deal? Like "Hey kids buy the True Mass and Cell Mass and you're gonna be hugefat, bloated and a mental retard like this kid, Trey!"
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Fixed.
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How hard is it to get a contract?
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How hard is it to get a contract?
You have to have something going that is of VALUE to the company first... like a good image, a freaky look, whatever will help make them money.
Same with getting a great job and making alot of money.
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Why did BSN drop Trey? He can't win a single contest.
FIXED
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Walk across the street for fortune and fame or walk across the United States for the same result? People are generally lazy. You can open a can without a can opener too.
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Bob, and have you ever talked about this thing with the guys at the BSN? I mean for them Trey was still a good deal? Like "Hey kids buy the True Mass and Cell Mass and you're gonna be huge like this kid, Trey!"
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The ad campaign wasn't a failure because he never won, or didn't turn pro....I just would have positioned it differently, not that he was the second coming...thus the subject at hand...that hard work and doing things with a long term outcome would have been a better plan, not rushing this kid through the ranks...kind of the same when they move a young boxer up the ladder without really fighting anyone of significance, then he gets his ass handed t him when he faces a REAL contender...all a facade
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Are you telling me i should not do North Americans this year Bob? What if i know full and well im going to get my ass handed to me?
in all honnesty, I don't think you should do the NA bro
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While that's true...it runs much deeper than that. In the old days, there wasn't much incentive money wise...so almost everyone did it for the love of the game and a title...over the years, the opportunities to actually make a living from the sport has become a reality, and for many, this has provided the blueprint to try and asend the top as soon as possible...often by using faster methods.
in the " old days" there was a unwritten rule about advancing to bigger shows where by you needed to progress up the ladder by actually WINNING. Local, state, regional, jr. Nat, national....I remember Paul DeMayo going back to the Jr. nationals 3-4 times because he felt if he couldn't win the overall, then he wasn't prepared to be at the National Level...very smart and very realistic at the same time.
Trey Brewer comes to mind as a kid who had a great start, and some good promise....but a contract too soon and a program made for a 10 year veteran, not a rank amateur...insured that he would never reach that potential and faded out into obscurity in record time....sad. I'll never forget seeing Trey sitting at a table at a National show with a stack of 8X10's to autograph...when the only title he had was the NPC Excalibur...a LOCAL show...here he was signing autographs like a superstar, when in reality, he couldn't have placed in the top 10 at the show he was sitting at!
This isn't meant to disrespect Tre in any way, he was and is a good kid...but he was managed completly wrong and thrown to the wolves with delusions of grandeur...
times have changed...some for the better, some...not so much. Some of the competitors need to realize that jus because you qualified to compete nationally, doesn't mean you SHOULD compete nationally...
Great post.
And if anyone disagrees with Chick on this, watch BFTO 2010. These guys don't even train properly. I see naturals (TRUE naturals) in the gym training 1000 times harder than these professional bodybuilders, albeit missing all the benefits of being on the juice.
Look at Arnold, Frank, Franco and all the others who were actually training their asses off, and they actually seem to have fun at what they were doing. Looking at today's pros, i see a bunch of lazy, dumb guys who want to make a quick buck by shooting a lot of drugs (not all of them though). They don't even seem to enjoy training at all, and when you read comments like Steve Namat's about not wanting to ruin his health and go through all that bullshit, you can see how wrong it is what's going on these days.
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The ad campaign wasn't a failure because he never won, or didn't turn pro....I just would have positioned it differently, not that he was the second coming...thus the subject at hand...that hard work and doing things with a long term outcome would have been a better plan, not rushing this kid through the ranks...kind of the same when they move a young boxer up the ladder without really fighting anyone of significance, then he gets his ass handed t him when he faces a REAL contender...all a facade
but that's was roids are, all a facade. :-\
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Lets not get crazy boys...
The pros of today train hard, and lets not confuse training HARDER with training SMARTER...while I have all the respect in the world for those who paved the way for us...they trained and dieted according to the info that was available, as well as the equipment at the time...
They did many things wrong back then...over trained, over dieted, starved more than they should have, etc...more attention was given to the notion of building muscle IN the gym, rather than the fact that muscle is built OUTSIDE the gym, through rest and recovery.
Lee Haney was one of the first to recognize this with his now famous "stimulate, dont annihillate "...which is what led to him coming in at the 250 lb. mark....that mentality could have just as easily been taken for "not training as hard...etc" by the previous generation of BBers. Results are what counts, and his 8 sandows and complete domination say everything loud and clear. Dorian took it another step further, pioneering the training of bodyparts LESS often...again, a move that could have been taken as not training as hard, or willing to put the work in....as it was gospel to train BP's 2X/ week...if not more/
You can all debate whether or not the physiques were better back then, but the idea that they trained any harder simply isnt true...beating yourself into the ground as was common back then, was what they knew and what they were tought by those before THEM...who had even LESS at their disposal for knowledge and technology...
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Lets not get crazy boys...
The pros of today train hard, and lets not confuse training HARDER with training SMARTER...while I have all the respect in the world for those who paved the way for us...they trained and dieted according to the info that was available, as well as the equipment at the time...
They did many things wrong back then...over trained, over dieted, starved more than they should have, etc...more attention was given to the notion of building muscle IN the gym, rather than the fact that muscle is built OUTSIDE the gym, through rest and recovery.
Lee Haney was one of the first to recognize this with his now famous "stimulate, dont annihillate "...which is what led to him coming in at the 250 lb. mark....that mentality could have just as easily been taken for "not training as hard...etc" by the previous generation of BBers. Results are what counts, and his 8 sandows and complete domination say everything loud and clear. Dorian took it another step further, pioneering the training of bodyparts LESS often...again, a move that could have been taken as not training as hard, or willing to put the work in....as it was gospel to train BP's 2X/ week...if not more/
You can all debate whether or not the physiques were better back then, but the idea that they trained any harder simply isnt true...beating yourself into the ground as was common back then, was what they knew and what they were tought by those before THEM...who had even LESS at their disposal for knowledge and technology...
ok, thanks.
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The ad campaign wasn't a failure because he never won, or didn't turn pro....I just would have positioned it differently, not that he was the second coming...thus the subject at hand...that hard work and doing things with a long term outcome would have been a better plan, not rushing this kid through the ranks...kind of the same when they move a young boxer up the ladder without really fighting anyone of significance, then he gets his ass handed t him when he faces a REAL contender...all a facade
Hey Chick, how much did BSN give Trey?
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Hey Chick, how much did BSN give Trey?
He was already gone by the time I got there..
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He was already gone by the time I got there..
Contracts are awarded on a case by case basis? Some make a lot, some make very little?
I would think a big company like that would offer big bucks but also have structure. Like, if you are up and coming level 1, if pro card level 2 or 3, if top 3 at a pro show level 5 or 6, if top 3 at arnold or olympia level 9 or something similar.
Seems odd they just dish out money based on what they think you are worth? How does it all work?
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Are you telling me i should not do North Americans this year Bob? What if i know full and well im going to get my ass handed to me?
Thats a question that only you have the answer to bro!
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If I was Leafy,I`d do it......classic lines that people would notice and appreciate.
Unfortunately for him,he has a tiny waist which is taboo in todays bodybuilding.
Being sarcastic,or am I ???
Go for it dude,OI think you`ll do well and if not,you get your face/name out there and it`ll be a good experience.
If you go,I`ll see ya` there!
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one of the best threads ever!
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Lets not get crazy boys...
The pros of today train hard, and lets not confuse training HARDER with training SMARTER...while I have all the respect in the world for those who paved the way for us...they trained and dieted according to the info that was available, as well as the equipment at the time...
They did many things wrong back then...over trained, over dieted, starved more than they should have, etc...more attention was given to the notion of building muscle IN the gym, rather than the fact that muscle is built OUTSIDE the gym, through rest and recovery.
Lee Haney was one of the first to recognize this with his now famous "stimulate, dont annihillate "...which is what led to him coming in at the 250 lb. mark....that mentality could have just as easily been taken for "not training as hard...etc" by the previous generation of BBers. Results are what counts, and his 8 sandows and complete domination say everything loud and clear. Dorian took it another step further, pioneering the training of bodyparts LESS often...again, a move that could have been taken as not training as hard, or willing to put the work in....as it was gospel to train BP's 2X/ week...if not more/
You can all debate whether or not the physiques were better back then, but the idea that they trained any harder simply isnt true...beating yourself into the ground as was common back then, was what they knew and what they were tought by those before THEM...who had even LESS at their disposal for knowledge and technology...
Yeah but one thing that seems missing from today's bodybuilders is that unlike the bodybuilder's of old they rush things, it seems like in the past they knew how to take their time. I think that's worth mentioning and is why those who have true passion and love for the sport and like to train hard prior to hopping on will always be the one's who succeed.
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Yeah but one thing that seems missing from today's bodybuilders is that unlike the bodybuilder's of old they rush things, it seems like in the past they knew how to take their time. I think that's worth mentioning and is why those who have true passion and love for the sport and like to train hard prior to hopping on will always be the one's who succeed.
in the 70s it seems to have been more about the training itself, girls, the beach and do the competitions for the fun of it and to push you further.
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in the 70s it seems to have been more about the training itself, girls, the beach and do the competitions for the fun of it and to push you further.
Yeah I mean I always think the top people in any sport are the ones who really live out that shit every day and it's not even a job to them, they are fortunate enough to be in a good situation and they succeed because of hard work among many other factors.
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good posting by bobbie,, and the leafbug need little more size to do northamerican ,,you need to aim at 197lb,, if you come 180 something you will be wiped ,,remember many have the tiny tight waist in the light heavys,,and the light heavys is a very very very good class that MANY profesionals come out of,, infact the best weight to become a pro is for your height is 197-202lb..if you can get there at 4% then! you should go into the north american and try to place well,,remember! many do national shows but most of them place 6-16 and never to be heard of again ,,
you need to aim at top 5,, for that you need more lean size..for that you will need gh at higher doses,,no ifs no buts,,you can allow your waist to grow some ,,your waist will stay your best bodypart forever,,even when you will be on insulina you will still resemble denis wolfe waist ,,this is something you either born with or not,,tight small waist is blessing in bodybuild,,
gh15 approved
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Lets not get crazy boys...
The pros of today train hard, and lets not confuse training HARDER with training SMARTER...while I have all the respect in the world for those who paved the way for us...they trained and dieted according to the info that was available, as well as the equipment at the time...
They did many things wrong back then...over trained, over dieted, starved more than they should have, etc...more attention was given to the notion of building muscle IN the gym, rather than the fact that muscle is built OUTSIDE the gym, through rest and recovery.
Lee Haney was one of the first to recognize this with his now famous "stimulate, dont annihillate "...which is what led to him coming in at the 250 lb. mark....that mentality could have just as easily been taken for "not training as hard...etc" by the previous generation of BBers. Results are what counts, and his 8 sandows and complete domination say everything loud and clear. Dorian took it another step further, pioneering the training of bodyparts LESS often...again, a move that could have been taken as not training as hard, or willing to put the work in....as it was gospel to train BP's 2X/ week...if not more/
You can all debate whether or not the physiques were better back then, but the idea that they trained any harder simply isnt true...beating yourself into the ground as was common back then, was what they knew and what they were tought by those before THEM...who had even LESS at their disposal for knowledge and technology...
So you're saying pros today train "smarter" or better, yet they have to rely on gear too much? From the way I see it, if they rely too much on gear(and this started in the mid 90s imo), then what they are doing training wise isn't really that good. Wouldn't you agree?
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True what Chick says about making a living from this sport. I think it started going wrong there. Very few do it for the love of it. People are now competing as pro's 5-6 years after setting foot in the gym. What solid base have you built in such a small amount of time? It's those that's not scared to inject anything and everything into them that usually stands on a pro stage. Ala, Kamali, Kovacs, etc.
Back then there wasn't as much money going about and people done it for the love, the lifestyle, the beach, the babes. I like how the bodybuilders used to train together and used to help each other, ala Pumping Iron. You won't get that with the current line up of 'bodybuilders' or even those from the 90's. Although, I remember that Flex and Shawn used to train together at times.
I remember I started going to hang with my pals cause they were all in the gym. We met some more people there and it became a big social thing coupled with intensely hard work. Big swaths of people would go out afterwards and hang in restaurants or by the beach. Nobody cared about taking drugs or making a living from this. It was the lifestyle and the love of the game.
Perhaps it's been lost a bit.
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Hardcore gyms are gone,old school camaraderie is gone,passion for training remains until you hit the pro ranks,then you do it for money.
Gotta` disagree with Bob about the training back in the day compared to now......no comparison as far as gruelling training goes,and let`s not discuss dedication to diet.
Back in the day there was no such thing as a fucking cheat meal during contest prep.......now it`s used as an excuse to refeed the body,which I think is wrong.
Just my opinion,but todays guys lift heavier because of the gear they run,but they sure don`t train near as hard as back in the day.
again just my opinion.........got a PM in my message box a while back from Chris Aceto a while back who said the same thing I just typed, and he trained tons of people,mostly all pro bodybuilders.
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I have a Big problem with some of these Former Pros. once they retired, they don't set foot in the gym anymore. shit, once your competitive years are over, staying fit and healthy should be a priority considering the obvious......I remember Mike Matarrazo saying that once he retires, he will no longer be involve in anything bodybuilding.....I thought bodybuilding was supposed to be a lifestyle?........if the bodybuilders of yesteryear had as much Gears available to them back then, they would have abuse it just like today's Pros are abusing these stuffs today
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Good post and very true.
They`ll have to pry a barbell out of my cold dead hands! ;D
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in the 70s it seems to have been more about the training itself, girls, the beach and do the competitions for the fun of it and to push you further.
Back then they didn't expect to make a living off the sport so the effort they put in the gym was from the heart, and not for greed and money. There is really no honer in destroying your body for money. I guess you could say they did it for the women, where today they do it for the cash.
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Back then they didn't expect to make a living off the sport so the effort they put in the gym was from the heart, and not for greed and money. There is really no honer in destroying your body for money. I guess you could say they did it for the women, where today they do it for the cash.
A man who gets fat and lazy after he retires was NEVER doing it for the love of lifting, but rather a love of his inner narcissism...I would think this was pretty obvious? Hmm...
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A man who gets fat and lazy after he retires was NEVER doing it for the love of lifting, but rather a love of his inner narcissism...I would think this was pretty obvious? Hmm...
Well really everything we do is to feed out inner narcissism and ego, even our hygiene. I was just being broad.
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Well really everything we do is to feed out inner narcissism and ego, even our hygiene. I was just being broad.
My post wasn't meant to be a shot at you.
I get sick of everyone saying "well up till 10 years ago, bodybuilders did it for love, now for money" and yet almost all look like shit when they retire.
Almost all bodybuilders get into the sport because they find an inner drive, and that inner drive has a name- NARCISSISM. Sorry, but that is the truth. Once they get older, and realize they cannot easily look so great, most just become fat and lazy. This is the truth.
Only a few here and there really love to train, and their results speak for themselves. Kai and Ronnie come to mind. Kai won't be shrinking down after he retires believe that. And Ronnie?? Dude looks amazing and is pushing 50! These guys LOVE to lift.
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My post wasn't meant to be a shot at you.
I get sick of everyone saying "well up till 10 years ago, bodybuilders did it for love, now for money" and yet almost all look like shit when they retire.
Almost all bodybuilders get into the sport because they find an inner drive, and that inner drive has a name- NARCISSISM. Sorry, but that is the truth. Once they get older, and realize they cannot easily look so great, most just become fat and lazy. This is the truth.
Only a few here and there really love to train, and their results speak for themselves. Kai and Ronnie come to mind. Kai won't be shrinking down after he retires believe that. And Ronnie?? Dude looks amazing and is pushing 50! These guys LOVE to lift.
I used to be that way when starting out at like 15, but now i do it because i truly love to train. It's awesome and I love setting new challenges for myself and breaking them. The body that comes as a result is now a bonus whereas before I was trying to get bigger to avoid being bullied in hs.
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I used to be that way when starting out at like 15, but now i do it because i truly love to train. It's awesome and I love setting new challenges for myself and breaking them. The body that comes as a result is now a bonus whereas before I was trying to get bigger to avoid being bullied in hs.
We have a lot in common man! Everything you said in your post I could say for myself.
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If I was Leafy,I`d do it......classic lines that people would notice and appreciate.
Unfortunately for him,he has a tiny waist which is taboo in todays bodybuilding.
Being sarcastic,or am I ???
Go for it dude,OI think you`ll do well and if not,you get your face/name out there and it`ll be a good experience.
If you go,I`ll see ya` there!
It may be my last run so i really want to hit the national scene atleast once. I think this year will really tell me if i should continue on in this hobby.. I know ill get my ass kicked but its all in good fun. Im just getting burned out.
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I`m hitting the Masters Nats,North Americas,and the NABBA Nats.......of course I`ll be in the geriatric category but I`m gonna` be on point!!
You should go for it dude,you might surprise yourself and a whole bunch of other people while you`re at it.
Could just be the impetus you need to go just that one step further.
Anyway,great physique and good luck in whatever you do bro.
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I`m hitting the Masters Nats,North Americas,and the NABBA Nats.......of course I`ll be in the geriatric category but I`m gonna` be on point!!
You should go for it dude,you might surprise yourself and a whole bunch of other people while you`re at it.
Could just be the impetus you need to go just that one step further.
Anyway,great physique and good luck in whatever you do bro.
I will see you in September then i guess!
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There you go dude........why sit home and wonder later how you would have done?
Plus if you see the pics and your class sucked,you be kicking yourself in the ass.
Stay focused.
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Wes inspires me. Maybe...just maybe..