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Title: Zinc Does Work For Testosterone.
Post by: suckmymuscle on June 08, 2011, 05:16:26 AM
  Remember those ZMA adds from the 1990s and early 2000s that promised 30% more free testosterone by taking this highly bioavailable form of Zinc? Well, it turns out that ZMA only raised testosterone levels in those who were very deficient in it and only raised it to normal levels.

  But new research shows that Zinc does boost testosterone a lot: but you need to take enormous amounts of it. New research suggests that taking 3mg of Zinc per kilogram of bodyweight resulted in about 40% more free testosterone after a few weeks. Also, the form of Zinc was unimportant but you need to take it without Calcium.

  There is a problem with this: this is an absurd amount of Zinc. A 90kg(200 lbs) man would need to take an absurd 270 mg of Zinc a day to experience this testosterone increase. This is almost 20 times the recommended daily intake for Zinc. This amount will certainly result in severe health problems especially if you take this amount for months or years. Zinc in these doses inhibits the absorption of Copper and Manganese, and puts enormous stress on the liver. In fact, you will probably experience less side effects from just injecting testosterone than using this approach. So, the search for safe and effective testosterone boosters continue...

  The effect of exhaustion exercise on thyroid hormones and testosterone levels of elite athletes receiving oral zinc.

Kilic M, Baltaci AK, Gunay M, Gökbel H, Okudan N, Cicioglu I.
School of Physical Education and Sports, Selçuk University, Konya, Turkey. kmkilic@yahoo.com.tr

OBJECTIVES: The present study aims to investigate how exhaustion exercise affects thyroid hormones and testosterone levels in elite athletes who are supplemented with oral zinc sulfate for 4 weeks.

METHODS: The study included 10 male wrestlers, who had been licensed wrestlers for at least 6 years. Mean age of the wrestlers who volunteered in the study was 18.70 +/- 2.4 years. All subjects were supplemented with oral zinc sulfate (3 mg/kg/day) for 4 weeks in addition to their normal diet. Thyroid hormone and testosterone levels of all subjects were determined as resting and exhaustion before and after zinc supplementation.

RESULTS: Resting TT3, TT4, FT3, FT4 and TSH levels of subjects were higher than the parameters measured after exhaustion exercise before zinc supplementation (p<0.05). Both resting and exhaustion TT3, TT4 and FT3 values after 4-week zinc supplementation were found significantly higher than both of the parameters (resting and exhaustion) measured before zinc supplementation (p<0.05). Resting total testosterone and free testosterone levels before zinc supplementation were significantly higher than exhaustion levels before zinc supplementation (p<0.05). Both resting and exhaustion total and free testosterone levels following 4-week zinc supplementation were found significantly higher than the levels (both resting and exhaustion) measured before zinc supplementation (p<0.05).

CONCLUSION: Findings of our study demonstrate that exhaustion exercise led to a significant inhibition of both thyroid hormones and testosterone concentrations, but that 4-week zinc supplementation prevented this inhibition in wrestlers. In conclusion, physiological doses of zinc administration may benefit performance.


SUCKMYMUSCLE
Title: Re: Zinc Does Work For Testosterone.
Post by: DK II on June 08, 2011, 05:18:51 AM
 
  There is a problem with this: this is an absurd amount of Zinc. A 90kg(200 lbs) man would need to take an absurd 270 mg of Zinc a day to experience this testosterone increase. This amount will certainly result in severe health problems especially if you take this amount for months or years. Zinc in these doses inhibits the absorption of Copper and Manganese, and puts enormous stress on the liver. In fact, you will probably experience less side effects from just injecting testosterone than using this approach. So, the search for safe and effective testosterone boosters continue...


This is all you have to read about this.


Title: Re: Zinc Does Work For Testosterone.
Post by: FullROM on June 08, 2011, 06:54:40 AM
What are the effects of taking low doses of "natural " test?
Title: Re: Zinc Does Work For Testosterone.
Post by: 225for70 on June 08, 2011, 07:01:44 AM
zinc is garbage ,,this is why i want franco to suffer for thie balonie he fed the cult with his book,, zinc is garbage! it will only do one single thing to you ,,

look to your left...yes yes down to your left where the heart is...now take your eyes and lay them on that nice nipple of you that is located on your left pec...you see that nipple? that nipple will become a nicely designed BITCH TIT from zinc,,

that mother fuckin lizard scambags who lied to my pupils for all those years have no shame,,they wont be around you when you go to the beach and afraid to take your shirt off because your left nipple is 3 times the size of the right and puffed up...

THATS WHAT ZINC WILL GIVE YOU

a tit!

gh15 approved

Never heard of the zinc giving anyone bitch tits...Perhaps using 1 gram a day..Who knows.?
Title: Re: Zinc Does Work For Testosterone.
Post by: Zach Trowbridge on June 08, 2011, 07:02:15 AM
zinc is garbage ,,this is why i want franco to suffer for thie balonie he fed the cult with his book,, zinc is garbage! it will only do one single thing to you ,,

look to your left...yes yes down to your left where the heart is...now take your eyes and lay them on that nice nipple of you that is located on your left pec...you see that nipple? that nipple will become a nicely designed BITCH TIT from zinc,,

that mother fuckin lizard scambags who lied to my pupils for all those years have no shame,,they wont be around you when you go to the beach and afraid to take your shirt off because your left nipple is 3 times the size of the right and puffed up...

THATS WHAT ZINC WILL GIVE YOU

a tit!

gh15 approved

Zinc an anti-aromitase and is usually used to help treat man-boobs in fat guys.
Title: Re: Zinc Does Work For Testosterone.
Post by: Dr Dutch on June 08, 2011, 07:27:07 AM
Just flush it down the zink, man..
Title: Re: Zinc Does Work For Testosterone.
Post by: Tito24 on June 08, 2011, 07:41:10 AM
all testosterone boosters are bullshit
Title: Re: Zinc Does Work For Testosterone.
Post by: coltrane on June 08, 2011, 07:49:22 AM
zinc is garbage ,,this is why i want franco to suffer for thie balonie he fed the cult with his book,, zinc is garbage! it will only do one single thing to you ,,

look to your left...yes yes down to your left where the heart is...now take your eyes and lay them on that nice nipple of you that is located on your left pec...you see that nipple? that nipple will become a nicely designed BITCH TIT from zinc,,

that mother fuckin lizard scambags who lied to my pupils for all those years have no shame,,they wont be around you when you go to the beach and afraid to take your shirt off because your left nipple is 3 times the size of the right and puffed up...

THATS WHAT ZINC WILL GIVE YOU

a tit!

gh15 approved

This dude should be banned.  Completely horseshit post, along with about 90% of his other ones. 
Title: Re: Zinc Does Work For Testosterone.
Post by: mossel on June 08, 2011, 07:53:37 AM
Dorian Yates has no Zinc in his supplement line...

GH15 is Yates!
Title: Re: Zinc Does Work For Testosterone.
Post by: coltrane on June 08, 2011, 08:04:15 AM
Dorian Yates has no Zinc in his supplement line...

GH15 is Yates!

Right.   ::)
Title: Re: Zinc Does Work For Testosterone.
Post by: suckmymuscle on June 08, 2011, 08:21:47 AM
This dude should be banned.  Completely horseshit post, along with about 90% of his other ones. 

  Wow, I am agreeing with Coltrane. Who would've known?

SUCKMYMUSCLE
Title: Re: Zinc Does Work For Testosterone.
Post by: rccs on June 08, 2011, 10:25:33 AM
This is all you have to read about this.



Next year I'll try to pinne 250mg test enth every 18 days for the entire year. This guy I know tried it and told me that it is a great way to increase strength and muscle without experiencing the sides of a 16weeks cycle with the same substance. Not harmful to the liver and also doesn't shut down completely endo test... Who knows, probably it is true...
Title: Re: Zinc Does Work For Testosterone.
Post by: suckmymuscle on June 09, 2011, 11:11:26 AM
Next year I'll try to pinne 250mg test enth every 18 days for the entire year. This guy I know tried it and told me that it is a great way to increase strength and muscle without experiencing the sides of a 16weeks cycle with the same substance. Not harmful to the liver and also doesn't shut down completely endo test... Who knows, probably it is true...

  With these doses, you are better off just using Androgel. Same dosage without having to deal with needles....

SUCKMYMUSCLE
Title: Re: Zinc Does Work For Testosterone.
Post by: Fitness4Life on June 09, 2011, 12:24:55 PM
ZMA is crap lol. 

Seems like every few months a company tries to push it again and make it seem like magic.  But it does nothing for test, did nothing for me, and nothing for my clientelle and friends.  It's a bunch of balognie. 

ONLY thing it ever did, ONLY THING. 

My girlfriend will swallow my sperm, and whenever I continued to give ZMA another chance, she said it made my sperm taste bitter.
So if you like your woman swallowing your load, and if you'd like to not spend money on bunk products.  Stay away from ZMA.
Title: Re: Zinc Does Work For Testosterone.
Post by: suckmymuscle on June 09, 2011, 01:43:38 PM
ZMA is crap lol.
 

  Not talking about ZMA but about any Zinc taken in mega doses. In mega doses, it does work for testosterone. Bad reading comprehension is a bitch. Do you people even bother reading the whole thing before posting a reply?

SUCKMYMUSCLE
Title: Re: Zinc Does Work For Testosterone.
Post by: coltrane on June 09, 2011, 01:46:31 PM
I think there is benefit to taking extra zinc.  Studies have shown deficiencies in zinc and mag for trainees.  You may not really feel a difference, but it is good to take.
Title: Re: Zinc Does Work For Testosterone.
Post by: Fitness4Life on June 09, 2011, 01:48:36 PM
There's better things to spend your money on, and like I said, your woman will be happier
Title: Re: Zinc Does Work For Testosterone.
Post by: pellius on June 09, 2011, 01:51:14 PM
 

  Not talking about ZMA but about any Zinc taken in mega doses. In mega doses, it does work for testosterone. Bad reading comprehension is a bitch. Do you people even bother reading the whole thing before posting a reply?

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Shut up, stupid.

Title: Re: Zinc Does Work For Testosterone.
Post by: suckmymuscle on June 09, 2011, 01:52:18 PM
  An increase in 40% in free testosterone is a lot. Too bad the doses of Zinc required to elicit this increase(20 times the recommended daily dosage) will probably give you worse side effects than injecting testosterone.

SUCKMYMUSCLE
Title: Re: Zinc Does Work For Testosterone.
Post by: Fitness4Life on June 09, 2011, 01:54:09 PM
 An increase in 40% in free testosterone is a lot. Too bad the doses of Zinc required to elicit this increase(20 times the recommended daily dosage) will probably give you worse side effects than injecting testosterone.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Then what was your point with this thread?  This thread should have been named  "Another reason why testosterone therapy is greater that other remedies"
Title: Re: Zinc Does Work For Testosterone.
Post by: suckmymuscle on June 09, 2011, 02:20:26 PM
Then what was your point with this thread?  This thread should have been named  "Another reason why testosterone therapy is greater that other remedies"

  Just telling an interesting fact. People claim that Zinc does not boost testosterone because ZMA was a failure, and I am pointing out that Zinc does increase testosterone but only if you take lots of it. Whether it is worth it or not is a value-judgement that everyone should make for oneself.

SUCKMYMUSCLE
Title: Re: Zinc Does Work For Testosterone.
Post by: claymore on June 09, 2011, 02:23:18 PM
all testosterone boosters are bullshit

Correct...99.9% of all supplements are bullshit !!
Title: Re: Zinc Does Work For Testosterone.
Post by: Fitness4Life on June 09, 2011, 04:22:15 PM
Correct...99.9% of all supplements are bullshit !!

x2
Title: Re: Zinc Does Work For Testosterone.
Post by: Palpatine Q on June 09, 2011, 06:23:17 PM
D-aspartic acid increases free test by 30% with a normal dosage and its got documentation
Title: Re: Zinc Does Work For Testosterone.
Post by: suckmymuscle on June 09, 2011, 06:38:40 PM
D-aspartic acid increases free test by 30% with a normal dosage and its got documentation

  Aspartic acid is a neurotoxin. More especifically, an excitotoxin. The brain itself is probably protected by the blood-brain barrier, but it has the potential to damage/kill neurons of the retina, spinal cord and areas of the brain not protected by the blood brain barrier like the hypothalamus. I hardly consider it safe.

SUCKMYMUSCLE
Title: Re: Zinc Does Work For Testosterone.
Post by: dj181 on June 09, 2011, 10:19:56 PM
FOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL L FOOOOOOOOOOOOD ANYYYYYYYYYYY FOOOOOD ,,PREFERBLY FISH IF YOU CAN HANDLE LOTS OF SUSHI,,BUT ANY FOOD WILL DO ,,

gh15 approved

This also applies to natural trainers as well, but with 2 requirements.

1. You MUST get lean enough, at least sub-10, but preferably sub-8

2. You MUST stay quite active, meaning doing some form of training (cardio and/or weights) nearly every single day.

And of course a natural will NEVER blow up like an enhanced fella, but 6 to 8 quality pounds are quite possible within 6 a week time for a natural trainer following this particular protocol.
Title: Re: Zinc Does Work For Testosterone.
Post by: g101 on June 09, 2011, 11:19:58 PM
guys guys guys

when u guys used to say ohhhh gh15 said to use HG only and now it's all UGL he's recommending

the reason for him recommending HG more a couple yrs ago is because not every1 can have a top trusted chef and instead get bunk bullshit ........

has nothing to do with HG or UGL because if it's a good chef and can make top testosterona then it's just as good as HG !
Title: Re: Zinc Does Work For Testosterone.
Post by: youngbb31 on June 09, 2011, 11:29:32 PM
NO! i recomend LEGIT TESTOSTERONA! ! ! ,,it can be underground and it can be human grade,,the diff is with underground you better know your chef....with human grade it is highest TESTED powders,, very simple,,the reason why most use human grade testosterona is becausse it is 99.9999% purity powder and its tested! ,,with underground you need to knwo whats up to get high quality powder and you need to have good connections and when you do you need to be good chef and then! you may be very good indeed,,but reason most fellas chose human grade testosterona is because its easier to find legit human grade,, and not everyone is lucky to hve the contacts to a top chef...its nto easy to find top chef ,, many crooks around,,but when you find that fella you got legit product on your hand just as good as human grade

gh15 approved


I'm just starting some ugl test prop. lol, and it's funny you say many are convict, because he was in jail for 3 years for posession of coke...i see the man everyday though so it's not like he's going to rip me off lol, he told me he didn't want to see me get bogus shit, so i put faith in him and become brave, we shall see the results . When i met him i felt like it was blessing from God, god of jews to be exact lol the one i believe in. Jesus Christ to be even more specific. I had been searching for so loong and found a connection locally to me who happens to have whatever i need ?? including hgh lol.
Title: Re: Zinc Does Work For Testosterone.
Post by: DK II on June 09, 2011, 11:37:40 PM
D-aspartic acid increases free test by 30% with a normal dosage and its got documentation

Funny how "Naturals" would do these things to their body to raise testosterone just to avoid injecting a medical product that has been used for decades and which pros and cons are very well documented and calculable.

I much rather inject 500mg testosterone like Robbie Williams than take toxic levels of zinc and d-aspartic acid to raise test levels.
Title: Re: Zinc Does Work For Testosterone.
Post by: 240_Iz_Nutz on June 10, 2011, 12:09:31 AM
zinc does work, the zma thing was true, unless somebody was putting drol in it.  But in this shit economy of the US.....we should have legal drugs like this, perhaps all drugs legal, but it doesn't need to be like this
Title: Re: Zinc Does Work For Testosterone.
Post by: kushtestgrowth on June 10, 2011, 12:16:24 AM
NO! i recomend LEGIT TESTOSTERONA! ! ! ,,it can be underground and it can be human grade,,the diff is with underground you better know your chef....with human grade it is highest TESTED powders,, very simple,,the reason why most use human grade testosterona is becausse it is 99.9999% purity powder and its tested! ,,with underground you need to knwo whats up to get high quality powder and you need to have good connections and when you do you need to be good chef and then! you may be very good indeed,,but reason most fellas chose human grade testosterona is because its easier to find legit human grade,, and not everyone is lucky to hve the contacts to a top chef...its nto easy to find top chef ,, many crooks around,,but when you find that fella you got legit product on your hand just as good as human grade

gh15 approved


what about superman  prop or oils in general?
Title: Re: Zinc Does Work For Testosterone.
Post by: flinstones1 on June 10, 2011, 12:25:01 AM
NO! i recomend LEGIT TESTOSTERONA! ! ! ,,it can be underground and it can be human grade,,the diff is with underground you better know your chef....with human grade it is highest TESTED powders,, very simple,,the reason why most use human grade testosterona is becausse it is 99.9999% purity powder and its tested! ,,with underground you need to knwo whats up to get high quality powder and you need to have good connections and when you do you need to be good chef and then! you may be very good indeed,,but reason most fellas chose human grade testosterona is because its easier to find legit human grade,, and not everyone is lucky to hve the contacts to a top chef...its nto easy to find top chef ,, many crooks around,,but when you find that fella you got legit product on your hand just as good as human grade

gh15 approved

that is the beauty of human grade. 250mg is always 250mg. With ugl the only person who kows what is in that vial is the chef. And dont say its beause you know your hormones and you can tell. It is impossible for the human body to be able to tell the exact steroid you are on. Except for a few things like ohok its eq because my appetite is up or its deca cause my dick dont work. I can take a 20 year steroid user and give him a bottle of test and he wont be able to tell if its prop or cyp 99percent of the time. I talk to Ret on frequent basis about human grade products  and he said HG is the way to go. ONLY.
Title: Re: Zinc Does Work For Testosterone.
Post by: asbrus on June 10, 2011, 12:30:12 AM
H0W MUCH 0F THE STUFF 0UT THERE IS BUNK?
Title: Re: Zinc Does Work For Testosterone.
Post by: flinstones1 on June 10, 2011, 12:40:15 AM
H0W MUCH 0F THE STUFF 0UT THERE IS BUNK?

impossible to answer. When you have guys runnin top ugl's at 1500mg a week weighing 190 pounds something is wrong. no thanks ugl
Title: Re: Zinc Does Work For Testosterone.
Post by: luvvsuNOT on June 10, 2011, 04:04:43 AM
that is the beauty of human grade. 250mg is always 250mg. With ugl the only person who kows what is in that vial is the chef. And dont say its beause you know your hormones and you can tell. It is impossible for the human body to be able to tell the exact steroid you are on. Except for a few things like ohok its eq because my appetite is up or its deca cause my dick dont work. I can take a 20 year steroid user and give him a bottle of test and he wont be able to tell if its prop or cyp 99percent of the time. I talk to Ret on frequent basis about human grade products  and he said HG is the way to go. ONLY.

Problem with HG is that there are so many fakes out there. So many. Sometimes I don't know what's a btter bet UG or HG. for `example I trust sciroxx as making good product and confirm by lewellyn. Not many will fake ug products. why bother? But even long time soruce like oscarro, naps, sandra, Z, all have hg but have sold fake. I wont even touch omnas or anuthing from paki no matter how they cliam real hg.
Title: Re: Zinc Does Work For Testosterone.
Post by: gh15 on June 10, 2011, 06:21:27 AM
H0W MUCH 0F THE STUFF 0UT THERE IS BUNK?

50-75% ug,,25-50% hg

gh15 approved
Title: Re: Zinc Does Work For Testosterone.
Post by: Ursus on June 10, 2011, 07:38:26 AM
I take ZMA at night.
Title: Re: Zinc Does Work For Testosterone.
Post by: dj181 on June 10, 2011, 07:41:48 AM
I take ZMA at night.

Does it help you to sleep better? Supposedly that's one of it's benefits.
Title: Re: Zinc Does Work For Testosterone.
Post by: Ursus on June 10, 2011, 07:49:32 AM
I do not get very much sleep maybe 5hrs max most nights. I go to bed late and get up shortly after 7 each day.

I can function and I am able to train hard after work.

I think it does, especially when I have a longer sleep like today because I was off work. It also gives unusual/vivid dreams.
Title: Re: Zinc Does Work For Testosterone.
Post by: Tapeworm on June 10, 2011, 08:40:19 AM
Does it help you to sleep better? Supposedly that's one of it's benefits.

Made me sleep through the alarm more often.  Maybe I just tried it because I was extra tired.  Who knows.
Title: Re: Zinc Does Work For Testosterone.
Post by: asbrus on June 10, 2011, 08:58:11 AM
WHAT D0ES UG STAND F0R? HG IS HUMAN GR0WTHE?
Title: Re: Zinc Does Work For Testosterone.
Post by: Ursus on June 10, 2011, 09:50:21 AM
Made me sleep through the alarm more often.  Maybe I just tried it because I was extra tired.  Who knows.

Ha I got that also.
Title: Re: Zinc Does Work For Testosterone.
Post by: youngbb31 on June 10, 2011, 12:43:42 PM
WHAT D0ES UG STAND F0R? HG IS HUMAN GR0WTHE?


when gh or anyone speak in terms of UG or HG it means the quality of the gear, meaning it is human grade or Underground Lab made, sometiems UG is good but it's harder to find and you have to trust your chef to the T. Like i put faith in mine to give me the prop and hope to God that it is what he says it is, so i do half cc every 2 days lol i should be able to tell VERY soon whether its the real deal. You just gotta take a risk sometimes..
Title: Re: Zinc Does Work For Testosterone.
Post by: Tito24 on June 10, 2011, 12:50:20 PM
zma gave me blood pickles