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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Psyckle on June 20, 2011, 03:29:49 PM
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Ok, so there's been some criticism going around as to weather or not Phil Heath is mainly drugs (insulin primarily). Most ppl defend him saying that he has crazy genetics, blah blah etc. Before I put the nail in the coffin, I think almost all can agree that Ronnie has the best bodybuilding genetics ever seen.
With that being said, Ronnie Coleman won his first Mr Olympia in 1998 at a weight of approximately 249lbs. His first competition was the Mr Texas in 1990 and he most likely started training a few years before this. This means that it took him around 10 years to build enough REAL muscle mass to win the Olympia.
Now lets fast forward 5 years to the 2003 Olympia. Ronnie wins, continuing his streak and comes in at a whopping 296lbs. The gains he made in those 5 years were phenomenal, but no doubt much of it came from the addition/increasing the insulin dose drastically along with the other drugs. Hence why his stomach got significantly larger within this time span.
Phil Heath first competed at the 2003 Northern Colorado State. Only 5 years later he places 3rd at the 2008 Olympia at a weight of approximately 240lbs. Considering he is 2 inches shorter than Ronnie this is pretty well equal to Ronnies 1998 Olympia weight.
Since most ppl say that Phil has crazy genetics, I will put him at number 2 next to Ronnie for the best. Now its time for the reality.... Do you ppl honestly think that Phil Heath got to 240lbs of REAL muscle in almost half the amount of time as Ronnie who is #1 when it comes to genetics. I don't fucking think so. All he did was take the kitchen sink right off the bat and blew up off insulin with no foundation. Essentially his 5 years of training leading up to the 2008 Olympia, he did almost the same thing Ronnie did between 1998 and 2003
The only difference was that Ronnie was already in a league of his own before going all out, deciding to push his body to the limit. Phil started with nothing and took the easy short route to the top. He is not a great bodybuilder, he is great at taking shitloads of drugs and insulin and great at fooling most ppl with an illusion of realness.
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lol
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I don't understand the hate. He did all the drugs correctly. Others took longer to put the pieces together. He shouldn't be commended but he also shouldn't be hated.
He lacks the density and cuts but has a freaky 3D look which makes up for it. If I had a say I'd recommend that he take things slower and stagger his progress but too late for that now. Hopefully being in contention with Kai doesn't push him to the point where he plays the mass game and burns out from the drugs.
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There is no hate there, its just the truth. Coleman will always be big even when he gets older. Heath will shrink down to what he was unless he keeps poking the ins.
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who gives a shit, at the end of the day it's men getting oiled up in thongs and injecting copious amounts of drugs into their bodies, why do you care to break it down like this?
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who gives a shit, at the end of the day it's men getting oiled up in thongs and injecting copious amounts of drugs into their bodies, why do you care to break it down like this?
^this^
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who gives a shit, at the end of the day it's men getting oiled up in thongs and injecting copious amounts of drugs into their bodies, why do you care to break it down like this?
Are you saying there are "things", Largerthanlife?
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Arnold, Oliva, Haney and Yates are better than Coleman.
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who gives a shit, at the end of the day it's men getting oiled up in thongs and injecting copious amounts of drugs into their bodies, why do you care to break it down like this?
Oiled muscle bears in thongs are serious business. Watch your mouth.
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Ask Skip Pancake, a very close friend and confidante of Phil's, and he will tell you Phil never did a single IU of insulin. Not one. Swear to God.
And the growth use only started after he had won a few pro shows. ::)
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Ask Skip Pancake, a very close friend and confidante of Phil's, and he will tell you Phil never did a single IU of insulin. Not one. Swear to God.
And the growth use only started after he had won a few pro shows. ::)
fuckin LOL :o
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Ok, so there's been some criticism going around as to weather or not Phil Heath is mainly drugs (insulin primarily). Most ppl defend him saying that he has crazy genetics, blah blah etc. Before I put the nail in the coffin, I think almost all can agree that Ronnie has the best bodybuilding genetics ever seen.
With that being said, Ronnie Coleman won his first Mr Olympia in 1998 at a weight of approximately 249lbs. His first competition was the Mr Texas in 1990 and he most likely started training a few years before this. This means that it took him around 10 years to build enough REAL muscle mass to win the Olympia.
Now lets fast forward 5 years to the 2003 Olympia. Ronnie wins, continuing his streak and comes in at a whopping 296lbs. The gains he made in those 5 years were phenomenal, but no doubt much of it came from the addition/increasing the insulin dose drastically along with the other drugs. Hence why his stomach got significantly larger within this time span.
Phil Heath first competed at the 2003 Northern Colorado State. Only 5 years later he places 3rd at the 2008 Olympia at a weight of approximately 240lbs. Considering he is 2 inches shorter than Ronnie this is pretty well equal to Ronnies 1998 Olympia weight.
Since most ppl say that Phil has crazy genetics, I will put him at number 2 next to Ronnie for the best. Now its time for the reality.... Do you ppl honestly think that Phil Heath got to 240lbs of REAL muscle in almost half the amount of time as Ronnie who is #1 when it comes to genetics. I don't fucking think so. All he did was take the kitchen sink right off the bat and blew up off insulin with no foundation. Essentially his 5 years of training leading up to the 2008 Olympia, he did almost the same thing Ronnie did between 1998 and 2003
The only difference was that Ronnie was already in a league of his own before going all out, deciding to push his body to the limit. Phil started with nothing and took the easy short route to the top. He is not a great bodybuilder, he is great at taking shitloads of drugs and insulin and great at fooling most ppl with an illusion of realness.
Great post
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Ok, so there's been some criticism going around as to weather or not Phil Heath is mainly drugs (insulin primarily). Most ppl defend him saying that he has crazy genetics, blah blah etc. Before I put the nail in the coffin, I think almost all can agree that Ronnie has the best bodybuilding genetics ever seen.
With that being said, Ronnie Coleman won his first Mr Olympia in 1998 at a weight of approximately 249lbs. His first competition was the Mr Texas in 1990 and he most likely started training a few years before this. This means that it took him around 10 years to build enough REAL muscle mass to win the Olympia.
Now lets fast forward 5 years to the 2003 Olympia. Ronnie wins, continuing his streak and comes in at a whopping 296lbs. The gains he made in those 5 years were phenomenal, but no doubt much of it came from the addition/increasing the insulin dose drastically along with the other drugs. Hence why his stomach got significantly larger within this time span.
Phil Heath first competed at the 2003 Northern Colorado State. Only 5 years later he places 3rd at the 2008 Olympia at a weight of approximately 240lbs. Considering he is 2 inches shorter than Ronnie this is pretty well equal to Ronnies 1998 Olympia weight.
Since most ppl say that Phil has crazy genetics, I will put him at number 2 next to Ronnie for the best. Now its time for the reality.... Do you ppl honestly think that Phil Heath got to 240lbs of REAL muscle in almost half the amount of time as Ronnie who is #1 when it comes to genetics. I don't fucking think so. All he did was take the kitchen sink right off the bat and blew up off insulin with no foundation. Essentially his 5 years of training leading up to the 2008 Olympia, he did almost the same thing Ronnie did between 1998 and 2003
The only difference was that Ronnie was already in a league of his own before going all out, deciding to push his body to the limit. Phil started with nothing and took the easy short route to the top. He is not a great bodybuilder, he is great at taking shitloads of drugs and insulin and great at fooling most ppl with an illusion of realness.
Hey Ron. Nice of you to start posting.
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Who gives it shit, most pro bb are all drugs, some just respond better then others. Point and fact he is a millionaire with 500,000 a year muscletech deal plus other endorsements. He made more $$$$ in last few years then most bb do in entire carreer. Fact is fact. He is one cocky sob.
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Who gives it shit, most pro bb are all drugs, some just respond better then others. Point and fact he is a millionaire with 500,000 a year muscletech deal plus other endorsements. He made more $$$$ in last few years then most bb do in entire carreer. Fact is fact. He is one cocky sob.
If muscletech is paying Phil Heath 500,000 dollars a year, then they are morons. Nobody and I mean nobody outside of the bodybuilding circle knows who the fuck Phil Heath is. The only person ever worth that kind of money was Coleman who was a multiple olympia winner and actually went on Leno etc.. Hell a guy like O'hearn would be a better investment than Heath ::)
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The problem with it is that bodybuilding has gone to shit. 5 years from nothing to the Olympia, give me a fucking break. The guy probably never even trained a single day natural. Makes sense though, everything is so fast paced these days. Noone has the concept of delayed gratification anymore. As a result, we are being fed an inferior product and expected to give this new flock just as much credit as the guys of the past who trained for 10+ years honing their physiques and actually taking pride in the sport instead of just doing it for a quick paycheck. Phil will look like a child when he retires, Ron will be all man right to the grave.
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So I guess Shawn Ray, Kevin Levrone, Arnold, Dorian Jay and Nasser didn't have "real muscle" either because they were at the very top of the sport within a few years of their first comps. ::)
You guys are a bunch of mindless turds....Phil Heath is no more "all drugs" than any other top pro...they all take the same shit.
But because GH15 called Phil "bloofy" all of you nitwits jump on the haterade bandwagon. The guy is one of the best out there right now...no if ands or buts. Grow up....idiots
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I tried reading this whole thread, believe me
but who cares
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Bloofster Heath.
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Ronnie trained for about 12 years before the 1990 show do some research
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Bloofster Heath.
Bloofster "Philsulin" Heathsulin
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I think almost all can agree that Ronnie has the best bodybuilding genetics ever seen.
::)
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If muscletech is paying Phil Heath 500,000 dollars a year, then they are morons. Nobody and I mean nobody outside of the bodybuilding circle knows who the fuck Phil Heath is. The only person ever worth that kind of money was Coleman who was a multiple olympia winner and actually went on Leno etc.. Hell a guy like O'hearn would be a better investment than Heath ::)
if muscletech doesn't pay him that much then there f... morons...the fact that every other thread on every bdybuilding board is about him makes him more then worth it. Next to Ronnie jay and dorian, he is the most talked about, circlation is the name of the game..you dont know what your talking about at all and I dont even like Phil
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So I guess Shawn Ray, Kevin Levrone, Arnold, Dorian Jay and Nasser didn't have "real muscle" either because they were at the very top of the sport within a few years of their first comps. ::)
You guys are a bunch of mindless turds....Phil Heath is no more "all drugs" than any other top pro...they all take the same shit.
But because GH15 called Phil "bloofy" all of you nitwits jump on the haterade bandwagon. The guy is one of the best out there right now...no if ands or buts. Grow up....idiots
gh15 is god of hormones, i know you are mad that he accuses you of roiding, but the person speaks the truth.
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::)
He probably meant to say, best response to Slin&gear+decent structure+crazy separation genetics
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you guys are all crazy 5 years from nothing to 2nd at o?
Levrone did it in 2............phil who? ;D
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if muscletech doesn't pay him that much then there f... morons...the fact that every other thread on every bdybuilding board is about him makes him more then worth it. Next to Ronnie jay and dorian, he is the most talked about, circlation is the name of the game..you dont know what your talking about at all and I dont even like Phil
who besides teenagers are they selling their products to? Do men above the age of 23 read muscle mags and go to gnc and stock up on products, there isn't much of a market out there.
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who besides teenagers are they selling their products to? Do men above the age of 23 read muscle mags and go to gnc and stock up on products, there isn't much of a market out there.
No, your right about that ::), several billion dollar a year market and if you think they aren't getting there monies worth, you f... hi
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No, your right about that ::), several billion dollar a year market and if you think they aren't getting there monies worth, you f... hi
Yes several billions dollars of hard earned parents money going down the drain of dreams never going to happen with this snake oil. I wish congress would act and outlaw this crap they sell, it's a con job, all the way, put pic of jacked guy in magazine along side muslcetech, and tell consumer the kids this is how you get big. Those companies are pieces of shit.
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hey hey hey heyyyyyyyyyyyyy fellas,, even when you are all hormones....you still got to respond to them tremendesly and know what you are doing lol ,,i mean i never said you can just hop on hormones and you become top 6 o ....it takes very good response and there is a big dif between competing nationals and placing top professional... big diff,, everyone can place 15th in national show... most everyone can become profesional if doing things right ,,but not! everyone can be sucesful pro!
its nto enough to know anaplon blow you up from within and that trenbolona keep you hard and sculpted as granite,, and that testosterona make it all like music in your ears...its not enough ,, its not enough to know hgh create mutation along with insulina,,
you actualy need to takse it and respond well to it,,and be able to take the high doses and sustain them without sleeping in bed half day because you took 150mg anapolona and now you dont feel like eating,, you need to be able to sustain the intake ,,and thats what fellas mean by good genetics,, the ability !! to sustain those drugs and for the body to adopt them well,,OFCOURSE IT IS A KNOWN THING THAT HALF OF YOU GET BUNK BALONIE TO WORK WITH,,but the other half who has legit hormones ....still need to know how to work them and need to respond well and need to have the courage and the health!! to increase doses,,
remember you cant just end with 50mg anadrola a day ....it alwys go into the 150 200 250....thats when mutation occure along with gh and along with testosteerona high doses and along with the rest of the hormones,, the problem is that some can not take the drugs ,,legit drugs ,,because they give them problems that their body can to sustain ,,it is individual thing and the ones who go to the top are the ones that their body is best geneticaly suited for taking those mega dose hormones,,
trust me friends...you stop at 200 quality lb with 50-100 mg anapolona 750mg testosterona and 5 iu gh ...you stop at 200lb 6% my friends... inorder to get to next level its a whole diff ball game where your body ability to take and adapt and respond to the hormones is highly importnat and will make the diff between top and and not top
the best bodybuild ! is the one who can come with flat tight small waist and big everywhere else! those are the bst of the best ..they are no where to be found now day sadly
gh15 approved
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Im not reading this.
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Yes several billions dollars of hard earned parents money going down the drain of dreams never going to happen with this snake oil. I wish congress would act and outlaw this crap they sell, it's a con job, all the way, put pic of jacked guy in magazine along side muslcetech, and tell consumer the kids this is how you get big. Those companies are pieces of shit.
no argument there, but the same could be said about almost anything like 250 doller pair of nike's, cmon the shoe cost 5 bucks to make, or a 2 dollar bottle of water, or 20 doller pic of lou ferigno ;D
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Im not reading this.
you already read,,
gh15 happily approved
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you already read,,
gh15 happily approved
no i didnt ;D. Ive read the replies but not the original post. ;D
to be honest
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hey hey hey heyyyyyyyyyyyyy fellas
lmao ;D
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hey hey hey heyyyyyyyyyyyyy fellas,, even when you are all hormones....you still got to respond to them tremendesly and know what you are doing lol ,,i mean i never said you can just hop on hormones and you become top 6 o ....it takes very good response and there is a big dif between competing nationals and placing top professional... big diff,, everyone can place 15th in national show... most everyone can become profesional if doing things right ,,but not! everyone can be sucesful pro!
its nto enough to know anaplon blow you up from within and that trenbolona keep you hard and sculpted as granite,, and that testosterona make it all like music in your ears...its not enough ,, its not enough to know hgh create mutation along with insulina,,
you actualy need to takse it and respond well to it,,and be able to take the high doses and sustain them without sleeping in bed half day because you took 150mg anapolona and now you dont feel like eating,, you need to be able to sustain the intake ,,and thats what fellas mean by good genetics,, the ability !! to sustain those drugs and for the body to adopt them well,,OFCOURSE IT IS A KNOWN THING THAT HALF OF YOU GET BUNK BALONIE TO WORK WITH,,but the other half who has legit hormones ....still need to know how to work them and need to respond well and need to have the courage and the health!! to increase doses,,
remember you cant just end with 50mg anadrola a day ....it alwys go into the 150 200 250....thats when mutation occure along with gh and along with testosteerona high doses and along with the rest of the hormones,, the problem is that some can not take the drugs ,,legit drugs ,,because they give them problems that their body can to sustain ,,it is individual thing and the ones who go to the top are the ones that their body is best geneticaly suited for taking those mega dose hormones,,
trust me friends...you stop at 200 quality lb with 50-100 mg anapolona 750mg testosterona and 5 iu gh ...you stop at 200lb 6% my friends... inorder to get to next level its a whole diff ball game where your body ability to take and adapt and respond to the hormones is highly importnat and will make the diff between top and and not top
the best bodybuild ! is the one who can come with flat tight small waist and big everywhere else! those are the bst of the best ..they are no where to be found now day sadly
gh15 approved
god of hormones, would you say gh is bad because it causes permanent changes in your bone structure and other organs for it to be involved in bodybuilding at the dosages it requires?
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no argument there, but the same could be said about almost anything like 250 doller pair of nike's, cmon the shoe cost 5 bucks to make, or a 2 dollar bottle of water, or 20 doller pic of lou ferigno ;D
i agree, maybe a marketing bill that doesn't allow that kind of shit to happen, so much money pissed away on dreams that will never happen with what they are selling you.
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So I guess Shawn Ray, Kevin Levrone, Arnold, Dorian Jay and Nasser didn't have "real muscle" either because they were at the very top of the sport within a few years of their first comps. ::)
You guys are a bunch of mindless turds....Phil Heath is no more "all drugs" than any other top pro...they all take the same shit.
But because GH15 called Phil "bloofy" all of you nitwits jump on the haterade bandwagon. The guy is one of the best out there right now...no if ands or buts. Grow up....idiots
You missed the point bro. It's not about who is all drugs because everyone is all drugs. It's about the style! Kev was ALL DRUGS! bu why does gh15 praise Levrone in his posts? did Kevin not use lots of insulin too? I feel he used his share of insulin.
When was the last time Phil behind the neck pressed 4 plates? Kev built his foundation on lots of steroids,heavy lifting, good quality food and the gh and slin was the cherry on top that he did to because he HAD to do it to compete at the top. Phil did it because he was fucking lazy! Just another "brutha" with a good response to the sauce.
the type of hypertrophy that occurs with the use of insulin is different than anabolic steroids.
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You missed the point bro. It's not about who is all drugs because everyone is all drugs. It's about the style! Kev was ALL DRUGS! bu why does gh15 praise Levrone in his posts? did Kevin not use lots of insulin too? I feel he used his share of insulin.
When was the last time Phil behind the neck pressed 4 plates? Kev built his foundation on lots of steroids,heavy lifting, good quality food and the gh and slin was the cherry on top that he did to because he HAD to do it to compete at the top. Phil did it because he was fucking lazy! Just another "brutha" with a good response to the sauce.
the type of hypertrophy that occurs with the use of insulin is different than anabolic steroids.
slin creates guts
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You missed the point bro. It's not about who is all drugs because everyone is all drugs. It's about the style! Kev was ALL DRUGS! bu why does gh15 praise Levrone in his posts? did Kevin not use lots of insulin too? I feel he used his share of insulin.
When was the last time Phil behind the neck pressed 4 plates? Kev built his foundation on lots of steroids,heavy lifting, good quality food and the gh and slin was the cherry on top that he did to because he HAD to do it to compete at the top. Phil did it because he was fucking lazy! Just another "brutha" with a good response to the sauce.
the type of hypertrophy that occurs with the use of insulin is different than anabolic steroids.
this answer will sound like a typical americano chicktita that justifying her female friend after that friend been cheated on ....but my answer to the above posting is in that chikitita word:
E X A C T L Y
gh15 approved
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slin creates guts
tell us how. tell us what mechanism of insulin usage causes these guts instead of spouting off regurgitated internet broscience that everyone reads and figures it'd be a good idea to repeat to sound like you know what the fuck you are talking about, making you look like an idiot to anyone who does know what the fuck they are talking about.
oh, right. you can't.
actually tell us all about your vast and obviously overwhelming experience with this compound. please.
fucking kids.
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You missed the point bro. It's not about who is all drugs because everyone is all drugs. It's about the style! Kev was ALL DRUGS! bu why does gh15 praise Levrone in his posts? did Kevin not use lots of insulin too? I feel he used his share of insulin.
When was the last time Phil behind the neck pressed 4 plates? Kev built his foundation on lots of steroids,heavy lifting, good quality food and the gh and slin was the cherry on top that he did to because he HAD to do it to compete at the top. Phil did it because he was fucking lazy! Just another "brutha" with a good response to the sauce.
the type of hypertrophy that occurs with the use of insulin is different than anabolic steroids.
lol
the fuck do you know about it?
tell us all how insulin causes a 'different type of hypertrophy....then anabolic steroids.'
listening to you and 'largerthanlife' debate this shit is like listening to two 10 year old kids talk about how great pussy is.
keep talking like you know something, bonerack.
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lol
the fuck do you know about it?
tell us all how insulin causes a 'different type of hypertrophy....then anabolic steroids.'
listening to you and 'largerthanlife' debate this shit is like listening to two 10 year old kids talk about how great pussy is.
keep talking like you know something, bonerack.
abusing insulin vs. building your muscle over years with steroids would give you less dense muscle (myofibrillar vs. sarcoplasmic hypertrophy), in gh15 terms "bloofy"
there you go :D
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abusing insulin vs. building your muscle over years with steroids would give you less dense muscle (myofibrillar vs. sarcoplasmic hypertrophy), in gh15 terms "bloofy"
there you go :D
are you on drugs?
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lol
the fuck do you know about it?
tell us all how insulin causes a 'different type of hypertrophy....then anabolic steroids.'
listening to you and 'largerthanlife' debate this shit is like listening to two 10 year old kids talk about how great pussy is.
keep talking like you know something, bonerack.
why are you so defensive about slin, do you sling humalog on the downlow?
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why are you so defensive about slin, do you sling humalog on the downlow?
no, i just dont like people who throw around information they've 'heard' in an attempt to look like the know what they are talking about, especially when its fucking stupid.
go to bb.com with that shit. this is getbig- the fucking thunderdome of bodybuilding.
and in canada nobody has to 'sling' log. you can walk into walmart and buy it without a script.
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no, i just dont like people who throw around information they've 'heard' in an attempt to look like the know what they are talking about, especially when its fucking stupid.
go to bb.com with that shit. this is getbig- the fucking thunderdome of bodybuilding.
and in canada nobody has to 'sling' log. you can walk into walmart and buy it without a script.
most of bodybuilding is not a science, gh15 spells out it for us, he is god of hormones, there is not book that details how to become a pro, it is all about knowledge learned throughout the game.
I would say insulin use over time, creates a gut, especially when you use it off season then diet down, you are also using gh and steroids with it as well. Gh probably contributes too.
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no, i just dont like people who throw around information they've 'heard' in an attempt to look like the know what they are talking about, especially when its fucking stupid.
go to bb.com with that shit. this is getbig- the fucking thunderdome of bodybuilding.
and in canada nobody has to 'sling' log. you can walk into walmart and buy it without a script.
I agree with you on the above. Most are guilty of it as well
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I don't understand the hate. He did all the drugs correctly. Others took longer to put the pieces together. He shouldn't be commended but he also shouldn't be hated.
He lacks the density and cuts but has a freaky 3D look which makes up for it. If I had a say I'd recommend that he take things slower and stagger his progress but too late for that now. Hopefully being in contention with Kai doesn't push him to the point where he plays the mass game and burns out from the drugs.
He needs to thank Jay for the guidance and tutelage :)
without Jay's advice it would have taken a hell of a lot longer.
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No, your right about that ::), several billion dollar a year market and if you think they aren't getting there monies worth, you f... hi
yeah but its not Phil whos bringing the customers in. They could spend that 500,000 (which is good endorsement money for anybody) and get a big name athlete that people actually know.
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So I guess Shawn Ray, Kevin Levrone, Arnold, Dorian Jay and Nasser didn't have "real muscle" either because they were at the very top of the sport within a few years of their first comps. ::)
You guys are a bunch of mindless turds....Phil Heath is no more "all drugs" than any other top pro...they all take the same shit.
But because GH15 called Phil "bloofy" all of you nitwits jump on the haterade bandwagon. The guy is one of the best out there right now...no if ands or buts. Grow up....idiots
I have to agree with the big nipple enjoyer
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most of bodybuilding is not a science, gh15 spells out it for us, he is god of hormones, there is not book that details how to become a pro, it is all about knowledge learned throughout the game.
I would say insulin use over time, creates a gut, especially when you use it off season then diet down, you are also using gh and steroids with it as well. Gh probably contributes too.
I laugh at you idiots who parrot anything gh15 says.....think for yourself you moron.
If GH never said a word about Phil Heath being a" fake BBer"...or whatever he said...you twats wouldn't be saying Jack shit about him. But apparently Heath owes him money or whatever ....I'll leave his motivation to the Getbig psychics.....and you fucking lemmings are chiming in with your "expert opinions" ::) ........because its so "obvious" to your "trained eye" he's abusing slin compared to other bbers and his muscles aren't "real" ::)
Fuck outta here....
Like No One put it...bunch of ten year Olds talking about pussy. :D
PS....funny but when he took second at the "O" this year I don't recall you turds whining about him being "fake" then.......everybody thought he should have won ;)
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yeah but its not Phil whos bringing the customers in. They could spend that 500,000 (which is good endorsement money for anybody) and get a big name athlete that people actually know.
The majority of people who buy bodybuilding magazines also buy supplements so sponsoring a top bodybuilder is going to attract more of those buyers.
Sponsoring a top athlete in any other sport may raise your brand recognition but unless that demographic buys supplements you are not going to sell more.
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Hes one of the current top bbers. That says all.
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I laugh at you idiots who parrot anything gh15 says.....think for yourself you moron.
If GH never said a word about Phil Heath being a" fake BBer"...or whatever he said...you twats wouldn't be saying Jack shit about him. But apparently Heath owes him money or whatever ....I'll leave his motivation to the Getbig psychics.....and you fucking lemmings are chiming in with your "expert opinions" ::) ........because its so "obvious" to your "trained eye" he's abusing slin compared to other bbers and his muscles aren't "real" ::)
Fuck outta here....
Like No One put it...bunch of ten year Olds talking about pussy. :D
PS....funny but when he took second at the "O" this year I don't recall you turds whining about him being "fake" then.......everybody thought he should have won ;)
"But, but, but..."
"Kids, Daddy said it's time for bed, NOW!"
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I laugh at you idiots who parrot anything gh15 says.....think for yourself you moron.
If GH never said a word about Phil Heath being a" fake BBer"...or whatever he said...you twats wouldn't be saying Jack shit about him. But apparently Heath owes him money or whatever ....I'll leave his motivation to the Getbig psychics.....and you fucking lemmings are chiming in with your "expert opinions" ::) ........because its so "obvious" to your "trained eye" he's abusing slin compared to other bbers and his muscles aren't "real" ::)
Fuck outta here....
Like No One put it...bunch of ten year Olds talking about pussy. :D
PS....funny but when he took second at the "O" this year I don't recall you turds whining about him being "fake" then.......everybody thought he should have won ;)
jtsunami/Largerthanlife = young, dumb and full of muslim cum
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one of the worst bbers ever
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Arnold, Oliva, Haney and Yates are better than Coleman.
fixed.
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I laugh at you idiots who parrot anything gh15 says.....think for yourself you moron.
If GH never said a word about Phil Heath being a" fake BBer"...or whatever he said...you twats wouldn't be saying Jack shit about him. But apparently Heath owes him money or whatever ....I'll leave his motivation to the Getbig psychics.....and you fucking lemmings are chiming in with your "expert opinions" ::) ........because its so "obvious" to your "trained eye" he's abusing slin compared to other bbers and his muscles aren't "real" ::)
Fuck outta here....
Like No One put it...bunch of ten year Olds talking about pussy. :D
PS....funny but when he took second at the "O" this year I don't recall you turds whining about him being "fake" then.......everybody thought he should have won ;)
he is God of Hormones, you should address him as that or your next delivery may not be so good. You need to respect him. I know you are mad because he called you out on juicing, but you can still claim natural all you want, just don't take your anger out on him.
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Santa Clause isn't real, wrestling is fake, and supplements don't work
it's all part of growing up
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jtsunami/Largerthanlife = young, dumb and full of muslim cum
QFT
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I laugh at you idiots who parrot anything gh15 says.....think for yourself you moron.
If GH never said a word about Phil Heath being a" fake BBer"...or whatever he said...you twats wouldn't be saying Jack shit about him. But apparently Heath owes him money or whatever ....I'll leave his motivation to the Getbig psychics.....and you fucking lemmings are chiming in with your "expert opinions" ::) ........because its so "obvious" to your "trained eye" he's abusing slin compared to other bbers and his muscles aren't "real" ::)
Fuck outta here....
Like No One put it...bunch of ten year Olds talking about pussy. :D
PS....funny but when he took second at the "O" this year I don't recall you turds whining about him being "fake" then.......everybody thought he should have won ;)
meltdown
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Santa Clause isn't real, wrestling is fake, and supplements don't work
it's all part of growing up
Santa's not...not real!? :'(
*goes to my safe place, and curls up*
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jtsunami/Largerthanlife = young, dumb and full of muslim cum
;D
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drugs like the other pros.
don't hate gift people.
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he is God of Hormones, you should address him as that or your next delivery may not be so good. You need to respect him. I know you are mad because he called you out on juicing, but you can still claim natural all you want, just don't take your anger out on him.
Okay you fucking Porky ball- licker ::)
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Team Bloofy! ;D
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The problem with it is that bodybuilding has gone to shit. 5 years from nothing to the Olympia, give me a fucking break. The guy probably never even trained a single day natural. Makes sense though, everything is so fast paced these days. Noone has the concept of delayed gratification anymore. As a result, we are being fed an inferior product and expected to give this new flock just as much credit as the guys of the past who trained for 10+ years honing their physiques and actually taking pride in the sport instead of just doing it for a quick paycheck. Phil will look like a child when he retires, Ron will be all man right to the grave.
X2, good post.
Only the rare trained eye seems to be able to tell the difference between fake and real muscle. so sad.
like I always said Phil is an impatient drug user first, and a weighlifter a diiiissstant second.
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I have a feeling this thread isn't going to end the debate lol
And yes, Phil has benefited greatly from the fridge's 20 years of drug experience.
But what's he supposed to do, not tap into that pool of knowledge and waste years before he figures out the right formula?
C'mon, anyone in his position would be doing the exact same thing.
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it's true, phil is smart to learn from those before him, the masters of bodybuilding.
what everyone seems to be skirting around is the fact that professional bodybuilding is a fucking joke. it is entirely about illusion, and, as time progresses, will only seem more and more absurd to those "in the know." First it was AAS, then GH and insulin, after those come SEO and implants, now photoshop... pretty soon it's just going to be genetically manipulating muscle-obese freaks in test tubes and grafting the muscle on surgically. Maybe then people will finally wake up and even the most braindead will realize there's no direct correlation between muscle size and power in today's world.
phil heath is more reviled than coleman or yates or whoever because he represents further and further the degeneration of the cult. also he's not even as good as the guys ten years ago by any measure so, even within the retarded world of pro bbing he's still a joke.
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Ask Skip Pancake, a very close friend and confidante of Phil's, and he will tell you Phil never did a single IU of insulin. Not one. Swear to God.
And the growth use only started after he had won a few pro shows. ::)
How did he get the Name Philsulina Heath?
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How did he get the Name Philsulina Heath?
gh15
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gh15
I know..
I like it.
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So I guess Shawn Ray, Kevin Levrone, Arnold, Dorian Jay and Nasser didn't have "real muscle" either because they were at the very top of the sport within a few years of their first comps. ::)
You guys are a bunch of mindless turds....Phil Heath is no more "all drugs" than any other top pro...they all take the same shit.
But because GH15 called Phil "bloofy" all of you nitwits jump on the haterade bandwagon. The guy is one of the best out there right now...no if ands or buts. Grow up....idiots
That pretty much sums it up... the fallacies and mass hysteria of whatever the flavor of the month is has taken over. Just shows how teenagerish and insecure yung adults driven this place has become. Wasn't like that some years, I bet ya 80%+ posters on here are twinks full of cum... hiding more and more solidly behind little accounts just proves it.
Is the supposedly "decline" of bodybuilding to blame.. of just getbig jumping the shark. well let's just say not many people are willing to post as themselves on here anymore... sums it up.
GodSpeed.
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That pretty much sums it up... the fallacies and mass hysteria of whatever the flavor of the month is has taken over. Just shows how teenagerish and insecure yung adults driven this place has become. Wasn't like that some years, I bet ya 80%+ posters on here are twinks full of cum... hiding more and more solidly behind little accounts just proves it.
Is the supposedly "decline" of bodybuilding to blame.. of just getbig jumping the shark. well let's just say not many people are willing to post as themselves on here anymore... sums it up.
GodSpeed.
your just mad cause you don't get your ass kissed on here anymore. Get-big is fine. You photoshopping your pics,and taking personal matters too far was/is the problem.
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your just mad cause you don't get your ass kissed on here anymore. Get-big is fine. You photoshopping your pics,and taking personal matters too far was/is the problem.
You take that shit too seriously. Would you post as yourself for the fuck of it?
Didn't think so... case closed.
Next.
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You take that shit too seriously. Would you post as yourself for the fuck of it?
Didn't think so... case closed.
Next.
what? I am posting as myself. Coming from the guy who had/has gimmick accounts. Epic hypocrisy
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what? I am posting as myself. Coming from the guy who had/has gimmick accounts. Epic hypocrisy
Clinging to another getbig mass hysteria.. keep going kid, you're doing awesome..
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gh15
i didntg name him philsulina,, it was someone on here i forgot the name who said philsulina i just said its good name ,,i dont take credit for work that is not me,, unlike the dantas of the worlds...
gh15 approved
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i dont take credit for work that is not me,, unlike the dantas of the worlds...
gh15 approved
LOL ;D
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How did he get the Name Philsulina Heath?
_bruce_ came up with that one. Pure genius.
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The majority of people who buy bodybuilding magazines also buy supplements so sponsoring a top bodybuilder is going to attract more of those buyers.
Sponsoring a top athlete in any other sport may raise your brand recognition but unless that demographic buys supplements you are not going to sell more.
yeah but bodybuilders don't buy supplements, kids do
sponsor Dwayne Johnson and you will get much more money from his picutres on your product than from Phil Heath or Jay Cutler
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_bruce_ came up with that one. Pure genius.
Thanks Kiwi for letting us know..I'll try to trademark the name, along with registering the website PhilsulinaHeath.com and .org with Godaddy asap.
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yeah but bodybuilders don't buy supplements, kids do
sponsor Dwayne Johnson and you will get much more money from his picutres on your product than from Phil Heath or Jay Cutler
DWayne would charge what 10 Phil Heaths and 1o Jay Cutlers are charging, its all reletive.
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DWayne would charge what 10 Phil Heaths and 1o Jay Cutlers are charging, its all reletive.
true that 8)
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At that level EVERY PRO uses similar components, similar amounts...
nothing more, nothing less, brick and mortars.
Lighten up kids...
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At that level EVERY PRO uses similar components, similar amounts...
nothing more, nothing less, brick and mortars.
Lighten up kids...
But his muscles are fake Alex...i would think with your level of expertise you could see it ::)
Apparently your muscles are only real if you act like an asshole in the gym, blow snot bubbles out of your nose and make grunting noises. if you drive a nice car and like yourself, your muscles are automatically fake
I also find it funny that two of the "realest" BBers ever....arnold and levrone. didn't even train or take gear half of the year...then loaded up on shit and grew into contest shape ;)
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we all love bodybuilding and i guess or assume thats why we all here !
Phil like any top bodybuilder worked his way up with his own combo of everything ! and it worked for him what he takes or eat or sleep is IMHO not anyone business !
when its competition time just support who you want to support enjoy the show blame the judges etc end of story.. but don't take anything from anyone you don't actually know !
i supported Nasser, Dennis James, Victor Martinez , Shawn, and Ron and non won Mr.O except Ron yet for me they are the greatest bb's and i enjoyed the competition ! i didnt stay all day saying Dex did this or Jay did that !
i just love bodybuilding and respect everyone ! i just wish some start adopting the 90's physique and cut the insulin guts out ! let us see some fibers like we used to.
and who i want this year ! as always i wish Vic takes it.
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At that level EVERY PRO uses similar components, similar amounts...
nothing more, nothing less, brick and mortars.
Lighten up kids...
shut up, stupid.
like you know what anyone uses. a fat delusional fuck who 'works out' in his garage and likes to spout off about shit he knows nothing about in an attempt to feel included in something.
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we all love bodybuilding and i guess or assume thats why we all here !
Phil like any top bodybuilder worked his way up with his own combo of everything ! and it worked for him what he takes or eat or sleep is IMHO not anyone business !
when its competition time just support who you want to support enjoy the show blame the judges etc end of story.. but don't take anything from anyone you don't actually know !
i supported Nasser, Dennis James, Victor Martinez , Shawn, and Ron and non won Mr.O except Ron yet for me they are the greatest bb's and i enjoyed the competition ! i didnt stay all day saying Dex did this or Jay did that !
i just love bodybuilding and respect everyone ! i just wish some start adopting the 90's physique and cut the insulin guts out ! let us see some fibers like we used to.
and who i want this year ! as always i wish Vic takes it.
This is wrong.
He worked his way up with Jay's combo, Jay took him under his wing, and Phil blew the fuck up.
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Yes several billions dollars of hard earned parents money going down the drain of dreams never going to happen with this snake oil. I wish congress would act and outlaw this crap they sell, it's a con job, all the way, put pic of jacked guy in magazine along side muslcetech, and tell consumer the kids this is how you get big. Those companies are pieces of shit.
Quoted for fucking truth!
I wish congress would act and outlaw the supplement industry and put snake oil salesman in jail, but before that congress should start with fanatical religious nuts like evangelist that scam desperate ignorant peoples!
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But his muscles are fake Alex...i would think with your level of expertise you could see it ::)
Apparently your muscles are only real if you act like an asshole in the gym, blow snot bubbles out of your nose and make grunting noises. if you drive a nice car and like yourself, your muscles are automatically fake
I also find it funny that two of the "realest" BBers ever....arnold and levrone. didn't even train or take gear half of the year...then loaded up on shit and grew into contest shape ;)
LOL exactly... getbig teenagersih mass hysteria knows... if only "they" knew half of what I know about "gh15"....
Their entire little system of "values" would collapse...
Learn from a real pro, not some online persona goes a loooooooooooooonnng way ...
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This is wrong.
He worked his way up with Jay's combo, Jay took him under his wing, and Phil blew the fuck up.
i dont see whats wrong with that ? if memory serves i remember Lee Haney supported Rich Gaspari at some point ?
i just see we still talking about the "combo" let us just say its true and jay offered him his combo then why we get upset !
as a BB fan i believe we take over when its showtime, we may talk combo this or that but end of the day the athlete choice to combo this or that.
the only thing BB needs is go 80's-90's. the thick skin big guts era needs to go down.
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if only "they" knew half of what I know about "gh15"....
Then tell us, O MIGHTY ALEX, what you know ?? Let me guess ... you can't ??? ;)
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best top bbers ever, flex wheeler, ronnie coleman, chris cormier, kevin levrone, and arnold
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Heath skyrocketed to the top because of very weak competition. Not saying he is a shitty bber, but let's face it, he isn't competing against a lot of great bbers.
In the 90's, he would have been a top 10 guy but always knocked down because of his flaws. Right now, flaws and all, he is still worlds better than the guys he competes against.
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LOL exactly... getbig teenagersih mass hysteria knows... if only "they" knew half of what I know about "gh15"....
Their entire little system of "values" would collapse...
Learn from a real pro, not some online persona goes a loooooooooooooonnng way ...
Well Im assuming its not Nasser, since Nasser and you go a long way to try and leave it vague wheather its him or not, plus I assume its not him cause' Nasser doesnt really say anything bad about Yates in general, or 97 Yates in particular.
Course I could be wrong, its just funny cause some things Nasser has said could go towards him being GH15, just enough to make me think its not him and he just likes f'ing with getbig.
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Well Im assuming its not Nasser, since Nasser and you go a long way to try and leave it vague wheather its him or not, plus I assume its not him cause' Nasser doesnt really say anything bad about Yates in general, or 97 Yates in particular.
Course I could be wrong, its just funny cause some things Nasser has said could go towards him being GH15, just enough to make me think its not him and he just likes f'ing with getbig.
The gh15 gnome is playing the mind game on you wise guys, he posts in a manner to make you think he's a Nasser or some other pro....gimme a break a top 6 Mr. O having time to post constantly like his on a mission and not talking about his legacy, bodybuilders are too vain to not talk about themself, and the crap about him not to make public his name becouse somebody likes him dead, who mafia, Bin Laden?! c'mon guys use your head... he is atacking everyone who has any muscle of being on everything or the doses somebody is on all from a pic! LOl!
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The gh15 gnome is playing the mind game on you wise guys, he posts in a manner to make you think he's a Nasser or some other pro....gimme a break a top 6 Mr. O having time to post constantly like his on a mission and not talking about his legacy, bodybuilders are too vain to not talk about themself, and the crap about him not to make public his name becouse somebody likes him dead, who mafia, Bin Laden?! c'mon guys use your head... he is atacking everyone who has any muscle of being on everything or the doses somebody is on all from a pic! LOl!
I was talking strictly about things Nasser has said, usually in video's made by Alex. They like to go back and forth fucking with everyone on getbig, like its their own private little joke.
Im gonna go ahead and assume that GH15 is not Nasser.
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I tried reading this whole thread, believe me
but who cares
Uhhhhhhmmm... me too. This, and many others. Peeps gettin' all long-winded and shit. I can't keep up with the drivel and balogna
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There is no hate there, its just the truth. Coleman will always be big even when he gets older. Heath will shrink down to what he was unless he keeps poking the ins.
Both Ronnie and Dorian are still huge, although Ronnie is obviously bigger. I'm not sure what they are doing to maintain size, but both are still giants. Ronnie can't be less than 280 and literally looks 10 weeks out:
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who gives a shit, at the end of the day it's men getting oiled up in thongs and injecting copious amounts of drugs into their bodies, why do you care to break it down like this?
LOL!!!!!!!!!
who besides teenagers are they selling their products to? Do men above the age of 23 read muscle mags and go to gnc and stock up on products, there isn't much of a market out there.
I think MuscleTech does a quarter billion a year in sales. They pay Phil whatever his market value is so if they are paying him half a million dollars a year it's because the market allows that. Like Onetimehard said, Phil is talked about greatly on the boards and that helps sales.
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LOL exactly... getbig teenagersih mass hysteria knows... if only "they" knew half of what I know about "gh15"....
Their entire little system of "values" would collapse...
Learn from a real pro, not some online persona goes a loooooooooooooonnng way ...
Just 2-3 weeks ago you were hinting that gh15 is Nasser and were calling him and you the 2 alphas of Getbig, and now this?
You go more back and forth than a pendulum, lol.
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This is wrong.
He worked his way up with Jay's combo, Jay took him under his wing, and Phil blew the fuck up.
LOL....another getbig "insider" ::)....you fucking people make me laugh
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LOL....another getbig "insider" ::)....you fucking people make me laugh
bejesus groink,,,its 4 am in the morning fella in arizona right now,,,,Im in mesa right now chilling in back porch with dennis james smoking,,,he is leaving for morning flight,,,did you see don lapre get arrested hahahha,,,,,if you watch the news you will see us on there walking by,,,he got arrested on warner and priest,,,,,,
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Just 2-3 weeks ago you were hinting that gh15 is Nasser and were calling him and you the 2 alphas of Getbig, and now this?
You go more back and forth than a pendulum, lol.
Bi-polar or skitzo ???
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Just 2-3 weeks ago you were hinting that gh15 is Nasser and were calling him and you the 2 alphas of Getbig, and now this?
You go more back and forth than a pendulum, lol.
I'm disappointed in you "Oracle"... if you haven't realized by now that Nasser-gh15 are screwing with your little minds, maybe you should pick up another hobby princess....
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I'm disappointed in you "Oracle"... if you haven't realized by now that Nasser-gh15 are screwing with your little minds, maybe you should pick up another hobby princess....
Don't give a shit about gh15 or Nasser, sorry my Queen ;D
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Both Ronnie and Dorian are still huge, although Ronnie is obviously bigger. I'm not sure what they are doing to maintain size, but both are still giants. Ronnie can't be less than 280 and literally looks 10 weeks out:
I will take a guess, steroids, gh, and whatever else he desires, he has shown he will go to the grave abusing the needle day and night.
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best top bbers ever, flex wheeler, ronnie coleman, chris cormier, kevin levrone, and arnold
Larry Scott and Reg Park ftw
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LOL....another getbig "insider" ::)....you fucking people make me laugh
Did you just forget the whole deal several years ago where Phil and Jay were inseperable for quite a bit of time?
Im sure they discussed training, and diet, but not drugs at all. ::)
Cmon Groink. Phil knew the right people to talk coming up, he did everything right. Im not saying what he did wasnt the right thing, obviously it worked for him cause he came up the ranks so damn fast.
But lets not pretend he learned everything from trial and error like some pros, he was hanging out with all the right people at the right time to get where he is, obviously his trial and error was talking to people who knew WTF they were talking about. Which is the best way to do it IMO. Find someone who knows what theyre talking about, assimilate their knowledge into your own and progress 10x faster than those who dont.
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Did you just forget the whole deal several years ago where Phil and Jay were inseperable for quite a bit of time?
Im sure they discussed training, and diet, but not drugs at all. ::)
Cmon Groink. Phil knew the right people to talk coming up, he did everything right. Im not saying what he did wasnt the right thing, obviously it worked for him cause he came up the ranks so damn fast.
But lets not pretend he learned everything from trial and error like some pros, he was hanging out with all the right people at the right time to get where he is, obviously his trial and error was talking to people who knew WTF they were talking about. Which is the best way to do it IMO. Find someone who knows what theyre talking about, assimilate their knowledge into your own and progress 10x faster than those who dont.
As you wold say, horse sense!