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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Meso_z on June 21, 2011, 09:30:33 PM
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lol. ::)
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immediate increase in size and strength gains with every workout. what's not to love?
but I know what you are getting at, it's the gh15 drug "du jour", all of the sudden this is what all the top dogs use and always have, it just wasn't talked about before.
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yeah, gh15 actually said once you get lean off tren, take it out and blow up with anadrola.
We are witnessing, THE NEW TESTAMENT
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LOL, yeah I was counting down the days till the trend started, the only real people that use anadrol are old timers/powerlifters and pro's/top competitor's, most gym rats that will do a cycle of home made tren and test have no clue
about more exotic compounds like anadrol. It was really popular in the mid 90's (Nasser, Milos, Levrone, etc.) and when the underground garbage industry took off it seemed to disappear , up until not many ug labs were even making anadrol or suspension, so you had to get legit anapolon from turkey.
Now allthe stupid kids like tbomb are running around trying to be cool with their tren and a bomb's :)
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That's because there are mentally ill people inside the cult as well as the weird closet homosexual muscle worshippers like Lonnie who ask guys to "peel". More than half of the members of getbig don't even workout. Does it surprise you that they'd lie about using drugs? I can't even begin to try to understand what goes through these peoples heads.
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We are witnessing, THE NEW TESTAMENT
Roflmao !!!!!
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LOL, yeah I was counting down the days till the trend started, the only real people that use anadrol are old timers/powerlifters and pro's/top competitor's, most gym rats that will do a cycle of home made tren and test have no clue
about more exotic compounds like anadrol. It was really popular in the mid 90's (Nasser, Milos, Levrone, etc.) and when the underground garbage industry took off it seemed to disappear , up until not many ug labs were even making anadrol or suspension, so you had to get legit anapolon from turkey.
Now allthe stupid kids like tbomb are running around trying to be cool with their tren and a bomb's :)
I disagree. UG labs have had liquid anadrol for years. I've never heard anybody refer to anadrol as "exotic". There are steroids (at least legit ones) that are alot harder to come by. Anadrol use is very common just google anadrol vs dbol or anadrol cycle and you'll see discusions like this one on other boards from 2007. Everybody knows you'll blow up from anadrol this is common knowledge.
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Anadrol is a progestin, similar to tren and deca/npp. Of course it will lean you out as they all will. Difference is tren being highly androgenic leans you out the best via increased body temp round the clock, among other things. However drol has a veeeeery unique ability to cause massive intracellular sodium retention as well as keeping strength up regardless of caloric intake. people who know diet on drol, been that way for a very long time. Hell you can diet on dbol with the right diet and ancillaries. Bio-chemistry is fascinating indeed, and there is much more to learn than some random stranger on the internet can tell you with a few written posts on an internet forum. Sorry.
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i've known for a good year that anadrol results in the highest gains of any oral at the cost of being notoriously liver toxic and harmful to hdl and ldl simultaneously. read read read my friends. knowledge is power!
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I disagree. UG labs have had liquid anadrol for years. I've never heard anybody refer to anadrol as "exotic". There are steroids (at least legit ones) that are alot harder to come by. Anadrol use is very common just google anadrol vs dbol or anadrol cycle and you'll see discusions like this one on other boards from 2007. Everybody knows you'll blow up from anadrol this is common knowledge.
true, abombs were abundant and still are since probably 2003 and on. I would say that is roughly the time when the UG scene really embraced the compound and it enjoyed increased availability. before that it was all about the fabled hemos, but you take what you can get if the price is right. shit is awesome, it's just disappointing as shit when you come off and the brutal gains fade away. it's like that with everything, but anadrol gains are especially fleeting to say the least.
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Hey what's wrong with "popping 3 tabs into pineapple juice and drink it while watching some ganga fingering herself on cam" ;D
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I disagree. UG labs have had liquid anadrol for years. I've never heard anybody refer to anadrol as "exotic". There are steroids (at least legit ones) that are alot harder to come by. Anadrol use is very common just google anadrol vs dbol or anadrol cycle and you'll see discusions like this one on other boards from 2007. Everybody knows you'll blow up from anadrol this is common knowledge.
You missed my point entirely, most gym rats don't start off their first cycle with Anadrol, Suspension and halo
but more commonly dbol, deca and test enanthate
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LOL, yeah I was counting down the days till the trend started, the only real people that use anadrol are old timers/powerlifters and pro's/top competitor's, most gym rats that will do a cycle of home made tren and test have no clue
about more exotic compounds like anadrol. It was really popular in the mid 90's (Nasser, Milos, Levrone, etc.) and when the underground garbage industry took off it seemed to disappear , up until not many ug labs were even making anadrol or suspension, so you had to get legit anapolon from turkey.
Now allthe stupid kids like tbomb are running around trying to be cool with their tren and a bomb's :)
I started using Anadrol 50 in 1981'. I added 1 tab a day to my regular regime of Test enanthate and Deca Durabolin (200 Mgs. each every 4 days). I worked up to a maximum of two tabs a day on the Anadrol (100 Mgs.). This was the good pharmaceutical stuff.
My bench press was literally going up consistently 10 pounds a week, week after week after week after week. Despite my hardcore attitude and approach to Bodybuildiing at the time, even I got scared after awhile and backed off the Anadrol. The real Anadrol was TOO good!
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immediate increase in size and strength gains with every workout. what's not to love?
but I know what you are getting at, it's the gh15 drug "du jour", all of the sudden this is what all the top dogs use and always have, it just wasn't talked about before.
what's not to love?
no apettite, feeling like shit all the time ;D
what's to love: fucking huge strenght increase even if you don'T eat jack shit all day long
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LOL, yeah I was counting down the days till the trend started, the only real people that use anadrol are old timers/powerlifters and pro's/top competitor's, most gym rats that will do a cycle of home made tren and test have no clue
about more exotic compounds like anadrol. It was really popular in the mid 90's (Nasser, Milos, Levrone, etc.) and when the underground garbage industry took off it seemed to disappear , up until not many ug labs were even making anadrol or suspension, so you had to get legit anapolon from turkey.
Now allthe stupid kids like tbomb are running around trying to be cool with their tren and a bomb's :)
I think most UG lab just put d-bol or M1T in their Adrol
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If the supply is large, demand must be created.
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i realy dont like abombs... far too harsh on your body, much safer ways to get exactly the same results
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Agreed. Made me ill as a dog.
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What's the typical dosage range for women?
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I think most UG lab just put d-bol or M1T in their Adrol
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If it's not stamped Anapolon don't trust that shit
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i've known for a good year that anadrol results in the highest gains of any oral at the cost of being notoriously liver toxic and harmful to hdl and ldl simultaneously. read read read my friends. knowledge is power!
of course this is also dose dependant...its not going to do much harm playing with 50mg/day lets be real, unless you have like a genetic disposition to bad cholestoral i'd say thats a safe dose and i think most would agree.
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lol. ::)
Lol very true.
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true, abombs were abundant and still are since probably 2003 and on. I would say that is roughly the time when the UG scene really embraced the compound and it enjoyed increased availability. before that it was all about the fabled hemos, but you take what you can get if the price is right. shit is awesome, it's just disappointing as shit when you come off and the brutal gains fade away. it's like that with everything, but anadrol gains are especially fleeting to say the least.
yeah, i've read it's best to use it at the front of a cycle followed by injectables to solidify gains.
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Yeah, I noticed.. everyone at work has a bottle of it on their desks, its under the counter at Starbucks with the Apple Fritters.. I mean, seriously, everyone is using it.
It's even in baby formula
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Never used it. Hows it compare to superdrol? I can only handle superdrol for a week or two at very small doses 10mg gains are explosive water inside the muscle.
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Yeah, I noticed.. everyone at work has a bottle of it on their desks, its under the counter at Starbucks with the Apple Fritters.. I mean, seriously, everyone is using it.
It's even in baby formula
bahahahaa ;D
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Throw all your bunk liver aids in the trash and start using cayenne pepper ;)
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Throw all your bunk liver aids in the trash and start using cayenne pepper ;)
I had some blood pressure supplements that had a ton of cayenne pepper in them. I took coq10 and appple cider vineger when on tren. Still felt like shit lol.
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It's usually milk thistle that's suggested for the liver. cayenne aids in circulation and accelerates the metabolism among other things...
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Throw all your bunk liver aids in the trash and start using cayenne pepper ;)
What, no more saw palmetto and milk thistle ?!!
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milk thistle does fuck all for your liver.
Anadrol is really bad because it depletes gluthionine, which your liver produces to protect itself from the harmful enzymes it uses to break shit down.
Only product I have ever known to actually work worth a shit is Tyler Liver Detox. You can buy it online. 2 caps 2x per day will set you straight. Everything else (short of fruit) will do nothing.
And FYI, fruit is ok even on carb restricted diets, and very beneficial to your liver.
Eat fruit. It's not fucking difficult.
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milk thistle does fuck all for your liver.
Anadrol is really bad because it depletes gluthionine, which your liver produces to protect itself from the harmful enzymes it uses to break shit down.
Only product I have ever known to actually work worth a shit is Tyler Liver Detox. You can buy it online. 2 caps 2x per day will set you straight. Everything else (short of fruit) will do nothing.
And FYI, fruit is ok even on carb restricted diets, and very beneficial to your liver.
Eat fruit. It's not fucking difficult.
Are you talking about Liv 52 ?? that shit is the best, you can only get it online but it works, you really do feel better on it..
(http://www.favorfinesse.com/ebayimages/liv52.jpg)
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milk thistle does fuck all for your liver.
Anadrol is really bad because it depletes gluthionine, which your liver produces to protect itself from the harmful enzymes it uses to break shit down.
Only product I have ever known to actually work worth a shit is Tyler Liver Detox. You can buy it online. 2 caps 2x per day will set you straight. Everything else (short of fruit) will do nothing.
And FYI, fruit is ok even on carb restricted diets, and very beneficial to your liver.
Eat fruit. It's not fucking difficult.
I fucking love fruits, it's just something I never think of buying when I do my groceries ;D
my gf usually take care of that tho, and she cuts them for me cause she knows I won't eat them if they are not prepared cause I'm too lazy ;D
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I fucking love fruits, it's just something I never think of buying when I do my groceries ;D
my gf usually take care of that tho, and she cuts them for me cause she knows I won't eat them if they are not prepared cause I'm too lazy ;D
Hahaha, me too.. mine prepares tupperware containers with mixed fruits (along side my regular tupperware meals like chicken and rice)
she cuts up watermelon, adds in strawberries, cherries, grapes and blackberries..fucking delicious
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Hahaha, me too.. mine prepares tupperware containers with mixed fruits (along side my regular tupperware meals like chicken and rice)
she cuts up watermelon, adds in strawberries, cherries, grapes and blackberries..fucking delicious
sounds fruity.
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Are you talking about Liv 52 ?? that shit is the best, you can only get it online but it works, you really do feel better on it..
(http://www.favorfinesse.com/ebayimages/liv52.jpg)
Liv 52 is complete garbage.
I mean this
https://www.theafstore.com/product.php?productid=17
The only product of it's kind formulated by a legit physician and has actually proven itself over many, many years. I know of well over 100 guys who have had shot liver values after hard cycles and tylers was the only thing that brought their values down. What it's best at though is preventative measures. Don't fix a problem, prevent it from ever happening in the first place! My .02$
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Hey what's wrong with "popping 3 tabs into pineapple juice and drink it while watching some ganga fingering herself on cam" ;D
actually that post has merit it takes care of your liver with the fruit right of the bat :) so liver safe pinapple juice androl I smell superdroll pinapple shots hitting the market soon? awe could put on the bottle gh15 approved and have a pic of a americana whore on the bottle
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Liv 52 is complete garbage.
I mean this
https://www.theafstore.com/product.php?productid=17
The only product of it's kind formulated by a legit physician and has actually proven itself over many, many years. I know of well over 100 guys who have had shot liver values after hard cycles and tylers was the only thing that brought their values down. What it's best at though is preventative measures. Don't fix a problem, prevent it from ever happening in the first place! My .02$
You're so wrong you don't even know it, Liv 52 is amazing, at least amazing enough that all my friends that compete and that are pro's use it religiously.
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lol. ::)
Been around forever.....remember that 535 bench everyone said was bullshit, well.............
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Been around forever.....remember that 535 bench everyone said was bullshit, well.............
Still waiting on you to post your last cycle..
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Still waiting on you to post your last cycle..
200mg prop every other week. Not joking.
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Liv 52 is complete garbage.
I mean this
https://www.theafstore.com/product.php?productid=17
The only product of it's kind formulated by a legit physician and has actually proven itself over many, many years. I know of well over 100 guys who have had shot liver values after hard cycles and tylers was the only thing that brought their values down. What it's best at though is preventative measures. Don't fix a problem, prevent it from ever happening in the first place! My .02$
liv 52.... 3-6 month supply depending on dosage for $20 off amazon. tylers.... $56 (without shipping) for 120 caps with no ingredient list and from what people say, 4-6 caps a day, so $60+ for a months supply. no justification for that sort of cost, or maybe I am wrong and it contains something amazing like unicorn piss or some other amazing miracle compound... but it sounds like a total ripoff.
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Oh man you guys have no clue, no clue how much this guy has influence over sources and bbers! Seriously when he was talking about GH all the time, the sources on Promuscle were getting hit for Kigs all the time! I saw all these guys at my gym talking about how GH is the "secret" etc. I even heard several people start refering to certain drugs giving them a 3 dimensional look. When I tell them "So you like to read GH15's threads on getbig huh"? you should see the look on their faces! LOL
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200mg prop every other week. Not joking.
LMAO
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Personally I prefer Dianabol all day long over Anadrol unless it's to be used at the tail end of a contest cycle then I'd go with Anadrol. But for off-season cycles Dianabol is one of the best plateau busters on earth. Plus, milligram for milligram Dbol is far more powerful than Anadrol, most don't realize this because the dosage of their Anadrol normally far exceeds that of their Dbol. You hear of guys taking 100mg of drol all the time but you don't hear of guys going that high with Dbol nearly as often.
As far as toxicity, while drol is liver toxic it's still not as toxic as many OTC meds or regular alcohol consumption. I always find it amusing and perplexing when people freakout about the toxicity of drol yet have no problem popping Tylenol or drinking on a regular basis.
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Anadrol is a testosterone derivative, not a "progestin"
Someone is pretty good at copy and pasting around here
Stuff makes me feel worse than tren
But f'n A does it make you strong
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Carsil
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Back in the day I got my hands on some legit Anadrol from a friend I met in AA........he was a former intravenous drug user and had it prescribed to him because he had contracted HIV from his heroin use.
Anyway,I`d sell the stuff for him to guys at the gym and he made a huge profit for himself.
I kept a bit for myself as well................used it to diet for a contest............got stronger than shit and was hard as nails all while eating like a bird.
I wish I had used it in the off-season maybe then I could have finally gotten a bit of size on my scrawny ass! :)
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actualy friends,, legit anadrola is used first and formost for increase in diameter of muscle ,, on legit anadrola you only get bigger ...TIGHTER... more veiny!,, and overall simply grow IN the right places...
any competetive bodybuild especialy among us tops use anadrola and really really ABUSE anadrola ,, i sometime limit the information i give out ...especialy with insulina and anadrola,,this is why you dont hear me talk much because i got sense and i know many who read gh15 are also not ready for the drug intake yet,, so im careful
NEVER THE LESS,, what we use anadrola is to increase size of muscle diameter...this is what philsulina abuse inorder to grow 1/2 inch on arm ,,, this is what amatuer kukelo the kid use inorder to make his average self has diameter size of bodybuild,, those tablets are used like crazy ,,and in most cases among the best we use actual liquids that are all you can eat anadrola buffets...
now ,, im aware that fellas come here to read me from all along the boardings,, so i repeat ....the usage of those hormones is for the expericned bodybuild!,, when i say we take 150-300 mg anadrola a day i mean just that! it fills us up ,,it tighterns us up and it gives us conditioned size,, it is much much better than dianabola for competition prep and it realy show what low bodyfat is...and what increase in size is while keeping the bodybuild tight and polished
the reason fellas amatuers like kukelo the kid has the dimention of muscle they have is anadrola ,,the reason he himself has the gut he got is insulina! but over all anadrola is prime prime drug in our arsenal ,,with out it there is minimal chance you will ever see competition arm size of 19-20...
i can tell you here that we ABUSE THE FLYING DAY LIGHT OUT OF THE DRUG ANADROLA ,, and i mean every word i say ,, it is very very good drug that deliver diameter size,,only when you are lean and then hop on anadrola ...only then after couple weeks while watching tv and looking at your arms ...ONLY then you start understanding what thick and tightly full mean! testosterona does not give you this nor does trenbolona,,anadrola is prime drug for muscle diameter and it is big secret we keep away with us
gh15 approved
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Hey gh15,I knew a lot of guys that took pretty high dosages of anadrol and they looked bloated with big bloated faces........also,a lot of them complained about headaches and had to stop using it or decrease the dosage severely.
Personally, my usage was small as always.
are the above side effects common ?
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mooooon face :-X
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mooooon face :-X
D-bol is much worst as far as moon face goes :-X
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D-bol is much worst as far as moon face goes :-X
indeed!
with anadrol you blow up.... but in a better way then with dbol...
i just hate the headaches it gives me!!!! i have migraine as it is, maybe i handle it different because of that.
oh, and you feel like you have been partying all night long the previous day..... when on... lol!
feel like shit on it!
but it does work.... no doubt!
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Hey gh15,I knew a lot of guys that took pretty high dosages of anadrol and they looked bloated with big bloated faces........also,a lot of them complained about headaches and had to stop using it or decrease the dosage severely.
Personally, my usage was small as always.
are the above side effects common ?
the key when using anadrola is to be able to eat good tasty food,, that mean to start lean enough and be on the right hormones,, the headaches will be there if sensetive but! it will be there more if you dont eat while on anadrola ,,the key with this drug is to be able to eat and push food in before thsoe signs come up,, also gh with it and enough sleep and water intake... will give much less headaches with some there are none with some there are very individual dependent,,
i never seen anadrola users with bgi puffy faces round faces,, only dianabola ,,but again it can happen very individual dependent and bodyfat dependent,,
the key with anadrola again is to push in enough calries before any sides settle ,, and do it right ,, do not let the no hunger get a hold of you ...and ofcourse hgh will prevent sides of anadrola to a good degree,,
the benefits of anadrola far surpass the sides ,,its a very good drug that give tight and full look ,, it gives the muscle diameter with out the waist diameter...
gh15 approved
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the key with anadrola again is to push in enough calries before any sides settle ,, and do it right ,, do not let the no hunger get a hold of you
exactly, that's the reason I take ghrp-6 and slin, to boost up my appetite,
especially on hot days, damn I wouldn't eat anything when it's hot outside, I would drink iced capuccino all day long
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There's no reason to get the moon face or very bloated with Dbol unless you're eating a lot more than you can handle...same with Anadrol. There's a reason you hear about the insanely painful pumps from Anadrol, especially in the lower back, it is because of the high potential for water retention.
Also, Drol is not a progestin as someone else stated it was.
Last thing, gains made from drol seem to taper off faster the higher the dose goes...meaning, the curve in-terms of reward to dosing isn't quite the same as is with other steroids. For example, the difference between 50mg and 100mg is massive but the difference between 100mg and 150mg is not all that great and so on and so on. Further, doses that creep up to 150mg and beyond can really suppress your appetite which is horrible if you're trying to bulk.
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It's usually milk thistle that's suggested for the liver. cayenne aids in circulation and accelerates the metabolism among other things...
More blood being able to pump to the liver is the best thing you can do for it ;)
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milk thistle does fuck all for your liver.
Anadrol is really bad because it depletes gluthionine, which your liver produces to protect itself from the harmful enzymes it uses to break shit down.
Only product I have ever known to actually work worth a shit is Tyler Liver Detox. You can buy it online. 2 caps 2x per day will set you straight. Everything else (short of fruit) will do nothing.
And FYI, fruit is ok even on carb restricted diets, and very beneficial to your liver.
Eat fruit. It's not fucking difficult.
good post. THE 15 suggests pineapple. I'm starting to agree with him.
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Oh man you guys have no clue, no clue how much this guy has influence over sources and bbers! Seriously when he was talking about GH all the time, the sources on Promuscle were getting hit for Kigs all the time! I saw all these guys at my gym talking about how GH is the "secret" etc. I even heard several people start refering to certain drugs giving them a 3 dimensional look. When I tell them "So you like to read GH15's threads on getbig huh"? you should see the look on their faces! LOL
Maybe all true however, is what THE 15 says not true?
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LMAO
Coach still won't answer my question to him on why Gary STrydom's stomach looks almost the same today as it did when he competed in his 20's. Yet Coach's competition photo's from yesteryear and recently show a massive change in ab/stomach thickness. Thickness in skin also :-\
I know massive amounts of alcohol can cause serious skin thickening. But does anyone else know what could cause such a thing on someone who is basically clean?
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the key when using anadrola is to be able to eat good tasty food,, that mean to start lean enough and be on the right hormones,, the headaches will be there if sensetive but! it will be there more if you dont eat while on anadrola ,,the key with this drug is to be able to eat and push food in before thsoe signs come up,, also gh with it and enough sleep and water intake... will give much less headaches with some there are none with some there are very individual dependent,,
i never seen anadrola users with bgi puffy faces round faces,, only dianabola ,,but again it can happen very individual dependent and bodyfat dependent,,
the key with anadrola again is to push in enough calries before any sides settle ,, and do it right ,, do not let the no hunger get a hold of you ...and ofcourse hgh will prevent sides of anadrola to a good degree,,
the benefits of anadrola far surpass the sides ,,its a very good drug that give tight and full look ,, it gives the muscle diameter with out the waist diameter...
gh15 approved
Thanks bud,I appreciate the info.
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Coach still won't answer my question to him on why Gary STrydom's stomach looks almost the same today as it did when he competed in his 20's. Yet Coach's competition photo's from yesteryear and recently show a massive change in ab/stomach thickness. Thickness in skin also :-\
I know massive amounts of alcohol can cause serious skin thickening. But does anyone else know what could cause such a thing on someone who is basically clean?
What question? Do you think I read everything on here ::)
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There's a reason you hear about the insanely painful pumps from Anadrol, especially in the lower back, it is because of the high potential for water retention.
My lower back used to get real tight and start cramping really bad,no matter what bodypart I trained.
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as long as we're talking about real anadrol, what exactly is this product: BPI A50. Claims pretty much same effects as real A50. Sold everywhere for like 40 bucks. Just a gimmick? Dangerous? Toxic? Pissing money away?
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sounds a bit cheap for anadrol. how many tabs?
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good post. THE 15 suggests pineapple. I'm starting to agree with him.
yeah, pineapple contains bromelain a digestive enzyme that should be highlighted in any meat eater's diet. bromelain has numerous benefits, but this is most relevant. kiwi also contains a protein-digesting enzyme and has anti-oxidant properties. :)
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Androlina yes, I stack this with some Philsulina and have added 2" to my biceps and 1" to my manhood in just 3.5 weekolinas.
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yea I was even mixing pinapple with rice for a while its a super food no doubt
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yea I was even mixing pinapple with rice for a while its a super food no doubt
Do you mix the rice with the pinapple or the pinapple with the rice and which method is more anabolic ???
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I got huge and strong from it but I was a total asshole on it. I didn't like it. Gave me headaches and nose bleeds as well. But most of all I was strong as f**k!
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also if a person doesnt supplement with the correct anabolics, when stopping the a50 regimen huge weight loss and size loss can happen. For exmaple, a person who doesnt have a good foundation can put on 30 lbs off test and a50 regimen, but when stopped they will lose so much and actually look worse than they did before they started, i feel that is a common rookie mistake, the selection of agents used when building a solid physique. I feel anadrol is for someone who is greatly advanced and weighs about 265 before taking it, with a strong foundation. A50 is for people that wanna push the boundaries, bc there are more agents out there that are better for a beginner or mid-level lifter and regimen knowledge of a mid-level lifter. I want to weigh 310 and I know that about 3 anadrol a day combined with other agents will get me there, but is that going to be healthy for me at my age, i really dont think so. I feel a dbol, win tab, and anavar would be more efficient and benefical compared to a50 use.
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Anadrol is a progestin, similar to tren and deca/npp. Of course it will lean you out as they all will. Difference is tren being highly androgenic leans you out the best via increased body temp round the clock, among other things. However drol has a veeeeery unique ability to cause massive intracellular sodium retention as well as keeping strength up regardless of caloric intake. people who know diet on drol, been that way for a very long time. Hell you can diet on dbol with the right diet and ancillaries. Bio-chemistry is fascinating indeed, and there is much more to learn than some random stranger on the internet can tell you with a few written posts on an internet forum. Sorry.
Anadrol is not a progestin. It's actually a DHT derivitive (the reason people get gyno from oxymetholone is still a mystery).
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Anadrol is not a progestin. It's actually a DHT derivitive (the reason people get gyno from oxymetholone is still a mystery).
I did a little reading and this is correct.
Best I can figure is that anadrol sensitizes estrogen receptors.
So if you are estrogen prone, you will likely get gyno from anadrol.
Makes anadrol protocols a little more challenging but not by much. Letro for 2 weeks prior followed by nolvadex post cycle would make sense.
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you fellas are killing me lol,, fuckin anadrola 150mg a day get you thicker from the inside out! ,,muscle get thickkkker,, you call it fuller...in reality the muscle get a width dimention it didnt hav ebefore,, and yes it should go along with injects but everythign should go with inject as stated in bible injects are first priority! ,, anadrola is the only drug that give you the inside volume you look for...dianabola wil give you BOTH inside and outside volume ...it will be very hard to get conditioned on it unless diet is tip top and you dont want diet tip top when on hgh because you want to grow not be sitting same numbers and play mini golf
gh15 approved
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you fellas are killing me lol,, fuckin anadrola 150mg a day get you thicker from the inside out! ,,muscle get thickkkker,, you call it fuller...in reality the muscle get a width dimention it didnt hav ebefore,, and yes it should go along with injects but everythign should go with inject as stated in bible injects are first priority! ,, anadrola is the only drug that give you the inside volume you look for...dianabola wil give you BOTH inside and outside volume ...it will be very hard to get conditioned on it unless diet is tip top and you dont want diet tip top when on hgh because you want to grow not be sitting same numbers and play mini golf
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In case some newbies are reading this post, and considering a cycle, 150mgs ed of anadrol is NOT recommended unless you are experienced! You will hate it, trust me.
Start with 50 and run that alone for a couple weeks, switch with dbol for a couple weeks, and then come off or repeat. Up to you.
FWIW drol stacks well with primo or deca, possibly eq.
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In case some newbies are reading this post, and considering a cycle, 150mgs ed of anadrol is NOT recommended unless you are experienced! You will hate it, trust me.
Start with 50 and run that alone for a couple weeks, switch with dbol for a couple weeks, and then come off or repeat. Up to you.
FWIW drol stacks well with primo or deca, possibly eq.
individual dependent,, but yes i hope fellas here understand that by saying 150-300mg anadrola i do not mean the new gym member that been in gym 4 months...im talking here to expericned bodybuild that start hormonizationand want to to advance as in advance into higher level competition or competition in general ,,it is not for the fellas who go to the gym for few months here and there my friends,,i hope you have the common sense to understand this and i dont need to write it every time i make a posting
when i say androla 150 mg i am talkin to the bodybuild who just got off trenbolona ace at 150mg every 2 day ....im talkingo to the more expericned bodybuild,, it has to be understood
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Is there a brand of Anadrol recommended above others?
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legit anadrola ,,it really means nothing brands,,,you need legit anadrola...simple,, some chinese powders are very very good....then from pharma...you got turkish anapolon,, you got british dispensary green giants androlics which are very good if legit...thsoe are the most common now days,,but if yuo get legit powder of anadrola...youre one lucky bodybuildr,,can just sit and zip it in your pineapple drink and smile all the way to the gym ,,thick is the name of the game! thick lean and tight! and anadrola delivers
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Gh15,
I have never taken Anadrol or Tren, nor Gh....But plan to begin this summer )had not thought of Anadrol prior to reading this as I remember in the 80's seeing the powerlifters in the Gym looking all red and about to die --I suppose they were not lean enough to handle it--
My question is ..if this photo of me is 265-270 lbs on 1 gram Test En. what weight do you suppose I could compete at with the GH, Tren, Prop and Drol?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/64274342@N08/5845564590/in/photostream
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Gh15,
I have never taken Anadrol or Tren, nor Gh....But plan to begin this summer )had not thought of Anadrol prior to reading this as I remember in the 80's seeing the powerlifters in the Gym looking all red and about to die --I supppose they were not lean enough to handle it--
My question is ..if this photo of me is 265-270 lbs on 1 gram Test En. what weight do you suppose I could compete at with the GH, Tren, Prop and Drol?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/64274342@N08/5845564590/in/photostream
dont know need more picture and it depends on few factors such as dose of gh and wether you use insulina or not,, you look very good though
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I was considering GH 3-5 iu per day and insulin twice a day at 10 (morning) and 15 (post workout)
250 lbs. 7% at the moment. Will try to link another couple of photo's. The Tren that I'll be using is very good so I'm considering 75 mg, per day
Should the insulin run concurrent with the Tren and Gh from the start?
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actualy friends,, legit anadrola is used first and formost for increase in diameter of muscle ,, on legit anadrola you only get bigger ...TIGHTER... more veiny!,, and overall simply grow IN the right places...
any competetive bodybuild especialy among us tops use anadrola and really really ABUSE anadrola ,, i sometime limit the information i give out ...especialy with insulina and anadrola,,this is why you dont hear me talk much because i got sense and i know many who read gh15 are also not ready for the drug intake yet,, so im careful
NEVER THE LESS,, what we use anadrola is to increase size of muscle diameter...this is what philsulina abuse inorder to grow 1/2 inch on arm ,,, this is what amatuer kukelo the kid use inorder to make his average self has diameter size of bodybuild,, those tablets are used like crazy ,,and in most cases among the best we use actual liquids that are all you can eat anadrola buffets...
now ,, im aware that fellas come here to read me from all along the boardings,, so i repeat ....the usage of those hormones is for the expericned bodybuild!,, when i say we take 150-300 mg anadrola a day i mean just that! it fills us up ,,it tighterns us up and it gives us conditioned size,, it is much much better than dianabola for competition prep and it realy show what low bodyfat is...and what increase in size is while keeping the bodybuild tight and polished
the reason fellas amatuers like kukelo the kid has the dimention of muscle they have is anadrola ,,the reason he himself has the gut he got is insulina! but over all anadrola is prime prime drug in our arsenal ,,with out it there is minimal chance you will ever see competition arm size of 19-20...
i can tell you here that we ABUSE THE FLYING DAY LIGHT OUT OF THE DRUG ANADROLA ,, and i mean every word i say ,, it is very very good drug that deliver diameter size,,only when you are lean and then hop on anadrola ...only then after couple weeks while watching tv and looking at your arms ...ONLY then you start understanding what thick and tightly full mean! testosterona does not give you this nor does trenbolona,,anadrola is prime drug for muscle diameter and it is big secret we keep away with us
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I am on 100mg anapolon and am loosing a shitload of fat . Skin is tighter and waiste is getting very tight. It definitely gives a different look to the physique than any other drug I have tried. Only thing I like more about dbol is the pumps are much better. I think anadrol is a great drug to run when stacking several compound but I would not run it by itself. It has the lowest binding to the androgen receptor of any steroid which would explain why some dont respond to it. It gets you strong as a bull that's for sure.
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Put some in my morning coffee - works great so far.
Every time I try to write something down the pencil breaks.
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So if someone is using 150 to 300 of anadrol a day, how would that break down throughout the day? a pill every 3 to 5 hours or something like that. I have to say that everything this guy has said has been right on the money even though so many people seem to hate him (gh15). It may have something to do with the fact that the next generation of bodybuilders won't be there relying on gurus but will actually know how their body responds to compounds like the guys back in the 90s.
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So if someone is using 150 to 300 of anadrol a day, how would that break down throughout the day? a pill every 3 to 5 hours or something like that. I have to say that everything this guy has said has been right on the money even though so many people seem to hate him (gh15). It may have something to do with the fact that the next generation of bodybuilders won't be there relying on gurus but will actually know how their body responds to compounds like the guys back in the 90s.
anadrol's half life is 9 hours. 150mg is no more effective than 100mg in studies, but I dont know if that changes past the 200mg mark.
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I am on 100mg anapolon and am loosing a shitload of fat . Skin is tighter and waiste is getting very tight. It definitely gives a different look to the physique than any other drug I have tried. Only thing I like more about dbol is the pumps are much better. I think anadrol is a great drug to run when stacking several compound but I would not run it by itself. It has the lowest binding to the androgen receptor of any steroid which would explain why some dont respond to it. It gets you strong as a bull that's for sure.
Which is exactly why it should be stacked with primo or deca. Primo preferably.
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Which is exactly why it should be stacked with primo or deca. Primo preferably.
I like deca but it destroys my skin and gives me gyno. Nasty drug for me
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150-300mg sends people over the edge. Period!
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150-300mg sends people over the edge. Period!
out of your mind again ,,i just took 150mg anadrola ,, in to pine apple 75 6 hour ago and 75 right now...i feel amazing,, strong as a mother fuck but im generaly strong still full thick tight and polished!
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Damn I just scored 200 20mg dbol. Real good ones. Better throw them in the trash and get some abombs :-\
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Damn I just scored 200 20mg dbol. Real good ones. Better throw them in the trash and get some abombs :-\
what are you talking about? Dbol is one of the best drugs of all time and dont let anyone tell you otherwise. Dont be an fool just cause gh15 changes his drug of the week. That said I still love my anadrol ;D ;D ;D
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lol I'm just jokeing. Dbol is the shit as long as your lean. I'm not a big guy at all and don't look like a bodybuilder but I remeber taking legit naps for a couple of weeks. Goddam it blew me up. Within 3-4 days I could see my forearms delts and chest start to get thick! I always keep a stash around ;D
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just use an ai/ae wit dbol if using high dose/if sensitive
or better option.. use masteron to eliminate most estrogenic sides
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150-300mg sends people over the edge. Period!
Only chicks get periods, men grow size. Learn to read before you bleed.
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dianabola is great drug i recomendd it many times,, very very good drug ,,you cant take everything i say and think the other things are not good,, anadrola is very good for specific purpose and it is get fuller and thicker while staying tighter and polished....dianabola is an all out mass drug inside the muscle outside the muscle everywhere and anywhere just get heavier..which some of it is sgood size ofcourse
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Everyone reacts different on it, that's just a fact. Of course it works, no one said it didn't but the fact remains it get you aggressive, some worse than others. You have a family? You have stress? Do you get mad easy? If you do, it aint for you.
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just use an ai/ae wit dbol if using high dose/if sensitive
or better option.. use masteron to eliminate most estrogenic sides
I'm using masteron prop 150mg mwf along with 250 mg of sustanon once a week. I'm trying to drop some bf and lean up. The masteron has really added some nice aggression. I don't think it works as well as an ai though. I've seen bloodwork from people using masteron as an ai. At the end of a cycle a guy I know had his testerone estrogen ratio checked. His estrogen was out of range. Maybe not as high as it would be without the masteron but it didn't do the job that he thought it would. I still get very minor bloat a few days after my sustanon injection. The bloat is mostly in my face. My eyes look like there sunken in a little bit. I'm very sensitive to test problalby cause my bodyfat is around 14-16 % I've been on a diet/doing cardio for the last few months to really get the bodyfat down. I'm gonna increase the test dose and add dbol once Im sub 10
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Everyone reacts different on it, that's just a fact. Of course it works, no one said it didn't but the fact remains it get you aggressive, some worse than others. You have a family? You have stress? Do you get mad easy? If you do, it aint for you.
Im senstive to sides from a lot of things. I had the green giant dots. I took them for a few days and just felt like shit! I ended up giving them to a budy. I'm not competitive don't make money on my body if something makes me feel like shit I dont bother. Tren made me feel like shit to. I do well on test, dbol, primo, feel good drugs.
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ever considered using GH while on harsh compounds such as drol,tren etc etc
it should cancel out the bad side effects of those drugs !
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ever considered using GH while on harsh compounds such as drol,tren etc etc
it should cancel out the bad side effects of those drugs !
I can barely pay bills let alone afford gh. If I could afford what I wanted to do I would run something like this
1 gram ew of legit primo
200-400 mg human grade test
20mg ed dbol napoism
4-6 i.u ed legit gh
mmmm ;D
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I'm using masteron prop 150mg mwf along with 250 mg of sustanon once a week. I'm trying to drop some bf and lean up. The masteron has really added some nice aggression. I don't think it works as well as an ai though. I've seen bloodwork from people using masteron as an ai. At the end of a cycle a guy I know had his testerone estrogen ratio checked. His estrogen was out of range. Maybe not as high as it would be without the masteron but it didn't do the job that he thought it would. I still get very minor bloat a few days after my sustanon injection. The bloat is mostly in my face. My eyes look like there sunken in a little bit. I'm very sensitive to test problalby cause my bodyfat is around 14-16 % I've been on a diet/doing cardio for the last few months to really get the bodyfat down. I'm gonna increase the test dose and add dbol once Im sub 10
No one with a working understanding of basic biochemistry would ever recommend masteron as an anti-estrogen, unless better alternatives are not available.
I would say arimidex killed it's use for that purpose, and arimidex is even outdated...
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I used 12.5 mg every day all last week. I looked so flat. I didn't like it. I stopped it for a few days and I filled back out. Maybe I need to dose it eod.
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aromasin or arimidex ?
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No one with a working understanding of basic biochemistry would ever recommend masteron as an anti-estrogen, unless better alternatives are not available.
I would say arimidex killed it's use for that purpose, and arimidex is even outdated...
funny lol i placeed in the 90s very very high and used masterona ...
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aromasin or arimidex ?
Aromasin
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lol,, why do you friends think that all the wanna bes 240-250lb in gym that look 8% and all mr city gym ...all of them disapear to nowhereless when they get into prep mode? lol becauese of this damn fuckin balonie anti estrogen anti aromataze over doing the shit ot of it and getting flat,, an getting water out from within the muscle and between skin and muscle and lose tons of size which ofcourse wasnt theirs to begin with but some wat!,, the best way as i always say is to NOT COUNT ON ANTI AROMATAZE..unless you want ot place 15th in nationals and never get anywhere...and this is in the good case lol
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lol,, why do you friends think that all the wanna bes 240-250lb in gym that look 8% and all mr city gym ...all of them disapear to nowhereless when they get into prep mode? lol becauese of this damn fuckin balonie anti estrogen anti aromataze over doing the shit ot of it and getting flat,, an getting water out from within the muscle and between skin and muscle and lose tons of size which ofcourse wasnt theirs to begin with but some wat!,, the best way as i always say is to NOT COUNT ON ANTI AROMATAZE..unless you want ot place 15th in nationals and never get anywhere...and this is in the good case lol
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I think that's why It's so important to start lean. When you do get a little bit of water weight it doesn't look bad. It just fills you out more. All of your posts have motivated me to get my ass lean before I jump onto anything heavy.
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gh15,
When do you think fat burners/stimulants such as ephedrine and T3 should come into play ?
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I think that's why It's so important to start lean. When you do get a little bit of water weight it doesn't look bad. It just fills you out more. All of your posts have motivated me to get my ass lean before I jump onto anything heavy.
Pretty important point actually. Estrogen is synthesized in fatty tissues, thus the leaner you are the less estrogen you will naturally produce.
HOWEVER, it is your liver which produces aromatase and this in turn produces estrogen. Circulating amounts of aromatase will create problems for you if you take aromatizing compounds and are prone to gyno, lean or not. Thus an AI (preferably suicide AI) will be needed to prevent or treat gyno, regardless of bodyfat levels.
GH15 is right that masteron may be "all you need" depending on a few factors.
Since it is usually used pre-contest, it's assumed you will be on very low levels of test and thus a strong AI is probably not needed.
He has NEVER said masteron will be enough if running a heavy cycle, and I challenge him to say it would be enough to keep estrogen low taking say a gram of test and 400mgs weekly of deca as a bulker.
As always gh15 spouts random shit as fact but never bothers telling the whole story. It's either laziness or he just doesn't know, but either way there are times when masteron would be enough and times when you need more. Treating existing gyno, letrozole and nolvadex followed by 12.5mgs aromasin ed, 25 if running a gram of test a week or more, will work for most people.
If you don't have issues with gyno, don't take an AI unless needed. Keep nolvadex handy in case you need emergency treatment and run short esters in order to more easily control blood levels and mitigate unwanted side effects.
Pretty simple really, but there is no catch all "just do this 100% of the time and it's true because i say so" unfortunately.
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nothing is random ,, i just not going to sit here write to the t every posting exactly what i said few weeks back ,, i cant do this all the time its not possible,, fellas shoudl read the bible ,, also im right now on the movie thread and im havign fun ,, thank you and good luck lol let me fuckin play ,,
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Pretty important point actually. Estrogen is synthesized in fatty tissues, thus the leaner you are the less estrogen you will naturally produce.
HOWEVER, it is your liver which produces aromatase and this in turn produces estrogen. Circulating amounts of aromatase will create problems for you if you take aromatizing compounds and are prone to gyno, lean or not. Thus an AI (preferably suicide AI) will be needed to prevent or treat gyno, regardless of bodyfat levels.
GH15 is right that masteron may be "all you need" depending on a few factors.
Since it is usually used pre-contest, it's assumed you will be on very low levels of test and thus a strong AI is probably not needed.
He has NEVER said masteron will be enough if running a heavy cycle, and I challenge him to say it would be enough to keep estrogen low taking say a gram of test and 400mgs weekly of deca as a bulker.
As always gh15 spouts random shit as fact but never bothers telling the whole story. It's either laziness or he just doesn't know, but either way there are times when masteron would be enough and times when you need more. Treating existing gyno, letrozole and nolvadex followed by 12.5mgs aromasin ed, 25 if running a gram of test a week or more, will work for most people.
If you don't have issues with gyno, don't take an AI unless needed. Keep nolvadex handy in case you need emergency treatment and run short esters in order to more easily control blood levels and mitigate unwanted side effects.
Pretty simple really, but there is no catch all "just do this 100% of the time and it's true because i say so" unfortunately.
Were you not saying drol was a progesterone earlier ?
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id prefer oxycodone.
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id prefer oxycodone.
naaahhhh....Nubain is much better! Loved that stuff
Anadrol is the SHIT!!! Got stong as fuck but held a shit load of water, but I was big! Used it with Sos, Deca and Tren and slin. That shit pushed me to over 250lbs!
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naaahhhh....Nubain is much better! Loved that stuff
Anadrol is the SHIT!!! Got stong as fuck but held a shit load of water, but I was big! Used it with Sos, Deca and Tren and slin. That shit pushed me to over 250lbs!
Nubain was never available to me. I would have loved to try it but probably lucky I didn't.
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You're so wrong you don't even know it, Liv 52 is amazing, at least amazing enough that all my friends that compete and that are pro's use it religiously.
x2 William LLewellyn endorses it. suggests it with every cycle.
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gh15,
When do you think fat burners/stimulants such as ephedrine and T3 should come into play ?
Maybe when you are fat? ;D
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Were you not saying drol was a progesterone earlier ?
I swear I have read that before, but did some reading and it is apparently not. I understand it is a derivative of DHT, and as it does not convert to estrogen I assumed gyno resulting from it would then have to be proggy gyno, but I appear to be wrong. Most likely it somehow sensitizes estrogen receptors, which would explain why guys get gyno from it after the cycle, sometimes weeks later. Which is why I suggested running some letro for a week or two prior to starting the cycle as well as for a full week after cessation. I wonder if nolvadex might work better, possibly running 10-20mgs during the cycle, but as nolvadex kills GH production and isnt advised to run with GH, I am not sure many would want to do that. A good AI sounds better. Gotta watch out for estrogen rebound however. I think a drol cycle would require some decent planning.
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so, lets see how you beasts look while loaded on anapolon. ::)
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I swear I have read that before, but did some reading and it is apparently not. I understand it is a derivative of DHT, and as it does not convert to estrogen I assumed gyno resulting from it would then have to be proggy gyno, but I appear to be wrong. Most likely it somehow sensitizes estrogen receptors, which would explain why guys get gyno from it after the cycle, sometimes weeks later. Which is why I suggested running some letro for a week or two prior to starting the cycle as well as for a full week after cessation. I wonder if nolvadex might work better, possibly running 10-20mgs during the cycle, but as nolvadex kills GH production and isnt advised to run with GH, I am not sure many would want to do that. A good AI sounds better. Gotta watch out for estrogen rebound however. I think a drol cycle would require some decent planning.
I Was only giving you shit mate :D - I like reading your posts, very informative on how certain hormones react inside the body. ;)
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funny lol i placeed in the 90s very very high and used masterona ...
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serva syntex, the original producer of pharma grade drostanolon prop aka "masteron" had the anti-estrogen thing written on the package slip
so belive gh15, he s right as he is most of the times
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question for u guys
is anadrol more liver toxic or dbol??? some say anadrol
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Maybe when you are fat? ;D
i use ephedrine for energy purposes ;)
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For some mysterious reason this one didn't sell at all in Holland.....(Dutch inside joke)
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Had an old bottle laying around. I used it back in 88' when I had anemia.
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Oxymetholone is certainly more toxic than dbol and is also used in higher dosages. You hear about guys running 100-150mgs ed of drol all the time, but rarely doses of dbol approaching even half that much. If your dbol is legit, 20-30mgs ed is PLENTY. The upper range approaches 100mgs ed, but that is suicide for most.
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Love these threads lots of good info.
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Oxymetholone is certainly more toxic than dbol and is also used in higher dosages. You hear about guys running 100-150mgs ed of drol all the time, but rarely doses of dbol approaching even half that much. If your dbol is legit, 20-30mgs ed is PLENTY. The upper range approaches 100mgs ed, but that is suicide for most.
Agree with dbol - 20 -30mg suits me best, if I go over 30mg the sides get to unbearable (for me)..
I have a friend who gets nose bleeds off 50mg of drol where as a Pro I know and a couple of other really big boys take 5 a day with no worries at all.
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Agree with dbol - 20 -30mg suits me best, if I go over 30mg the sides get to unbearable (for me)..
I have a friend who gets nose bleeds off 50mg of drol where as a Pro I know and a couple of other really big boys take 5 a day with no worries at all.
If I remember correctly Dianabol strongly binds to the AR and quickly reaches saturation at around 20-30mgs ED for the average user. I would guess doses will escalate as bodyweight (lbm I mean, not fat) does, but even a 260lb in shape guy should not need more then 50-60mgs ED. If that's not enough, up the test or deca, not the oral. I do suspect Drol can be useful for very high doses, up to 250-300 mgs ed if your body mass is high enough, mostly because drol is a type 2 steroid, meaning it causes growth/anabolism through pathways unrelated to the androgen receptor. Things like this make all the difference when you are planning a cycle.
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If I remember correctly Dianabol strongly binds to the AR and quickly reaches saturation at around 20-30mgs ED for the average user. I would guess doses will escalate as bodyweight (lbm I mean, not fat) does, but even a 260lb in shape guy should not need more then 50-60mgs ED. If that's not enough, up the test or deca, not the oral. I do suspect Drol can be useful for very high doses, up to 250-300 mgs ed if your body mass is high enough, mostly because drol is a type 2 steroid, meaning it causes growth/anabolism through pathways unrelated to the androgen receptor. Things like this make all the difference when you are planning a cycle.
Bro, you've been reading reeeal old stuff by Bill Roberts and I notice you must've been on Elite Fitness back in the day and taken everything that Ulter and Macro said as gospel. Am I right? :D
There has been some progress in this field since 2000, even if small. :D
Oxymetholone itself has very poor binding but it's possible it has a metabolite that has very good binding. Meaning it would essentially be a prohormone of sorts. And even with relatively poor binding a steroid can turn on the "right" genes making it effective.
The class 1 and 2 theory is just that, a theory, by Bill Roberts. I bet it's wrong. All steroids work through the androgen receptor basically... these secondary pthways aren't enough to explain the anabolism otherwise IMO. How would one explain the androgenic/virilizing effects of Anadrol if it didn't bind to the AR?
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Anadrol isn't any more toxic than any other steroids. It's actually one of the few steroids still used in medicine. People take it for years on end without any adverse effects.
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Bro, you've been reading reeeal old stuff by Bill Roberts and I notice you must've been on Elite Fitness back in the day and taken everything that Ulter and Macro said as gospel. Am I right? :D
There has been some progress in this field since 2000, even if small. :D
Oxymetholone itself has very poor binding but it's possible it has a metabolite that has very good binding. Meaning it would essentially be a prohormone of sorts. And even with relatively poor binding a steroid can turn on the "right" genes making it effective.
The class 1 and 2 theory is just that, a theory, by Bill Roberts. I bet it's wrong. All steroids work through the androgen receptor basically... these secondary pthways aren't enough to explain the anabolism otherwise IMO. How would one explain the androgenic/virilizing effects of Anadrol if it didn't bind to the AR?
I believe the class 1 and 2 theory to be sound. Essentially you can trigger growth without direct binding of the AR. Drol for example increased rbc production, sodium retention and a number of other things. I also have a theory that, since estrogen is mitogenic and has been known to increase proliferation of AR's by acting directly upon than and inducing mitosis that anadrol might influence growth by causing a sensitization of estrogen receptors. Hard to grasp at first, but it makes sense to me.
If and when I go back on, tprop/npp/drol will be my first comeback cycle. We will see what happens. Obviously planning my ancillaries as well.
Curious do you think cabaser to be best for proggy sides or is prami better? Or other? What about bromocriptine? Chaste berry? Curious what you think.
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Curious do you think cabaser to be best for proggy sides or is prami better? Or other? What about bromocriptine? Chaste berry? Curious what you think.
I do not know anyone who ever used any of these compounds. I have no clue.
What I do think is that there's much confusion about this progesterone/prolactin thing as a whole. Everyone is talking about their "progesterone gyno" or "prolactin gyno" etc but it's just mostly wild speculation IMO. People don't really have a clue what is doing what or what the mechanism behind the side-effects is. For example, everyone says trenbolone raises prolactin because it's a progesterone agonist right? What does the research say? The opposite basically. Estrogens raise prolactin, whereas androgens such as Tren/Deca don't/shouldn't.
Only thing I remember is that bromocriptine desensitizes leydig cells to LH/HCG so I don't think it's necessarily that wonderful.
Plus playing with your dopamine too much might not be a good idea from a mental health standpoint either. :D
Did the top pros in the 90s need prami for their "progesterone problems" due to Parabolan or Deca? :D
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I do not know anyone who ever used any of these compounds. I have no clue.
What I do think is that there's much confusion about this progesterone/prolactin thing as a whole. Everyone is talking about their "progesterone gyno" or "prolactin gyno" etc but it's just mostly wild speculation IMO. People don't really have a clue what is doing what or what the mechanism behind the side-effects is. For example, everyone says trenbolone raises prolactin because it's a progesterone agonist right? What does the research say? The opposite basically. Estrogens raise prolactin, whereas androgens such as Tren/Deca don't/shouldn't.
Only thing I remember is that bromocriptine desensitizes leydig cells to LH/HCG so I don't think it's necessarily that wonderful.
Plus playing with your dopamine too much might not be a good idea from a mental health standpoint either. :D
Did the top pros in the 90s need prami for their "progesterone problems" due to Parabolan or Deca? :D
Curious observation, and I agree, it seems way easier to get gyno now then back a few decades...Hmm, maybe the doses back then were lower? Idk. I am considering just running letro prior to starting, for maybe a week prior, and keeping prami on hand in case I need it. But lot's of guys get gyno from tren nowadays than in the past. It is strange.
Do you have a theory?
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I believe the class 1 and 2 theory to be sound. Essentially you can trigger growth without direct binding of the AR. Drol for example increased rbc production, sodium retention and a number of other things. I also have a theory that, since estrogen is mitogenic and has been known to increase proliferation of AR's by acting directly upon than and inducing mitosis that anadrol might influence growth by causing a sensitization of estrogen receptors. Hard to grasp at first, but it makes sense to me.
If and when I go back on, tprop/npp/drol will be my first comeback cycle. We will see what happens. Obviously planning my ancillaries as well.
Curious do you think cabaser to be best for proggy sides or is prami better? Or other? What about bromocriptine? Chaste berry? Curious what you think.
i like caber and prefer it myself. some say that caber and arimidex combined dont do anything. i beg to differ. 2 weeks on this combo and any sensitivity i had disappeared.
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I do not know anyone who ever used any of these compounds. I have no clue.
What I do think is that there's much confusion about this progesterone/prolactin thing as a whole. Everyone is talking about their "progesterone gyno" or "prolactin gyno" etc but it's just mostly wild speculation IMO. People don't really have a clue what is doing what or what the mechanism behind the side-effects is. For example, everyone says trenbolone raises prolactin because it's a progesterone agonist right? What does the research say? The opposite basically. Estrogens raise prolactin, whereas androgens such as Tren/Deca don't/shouldn't.
Only thing I remember is that bromocriptine desensitizes leydig cells to LH/HCG so I don't think it's necessarily that wonderful.
Plus playing with your dopamine too much might not be a good idea from a mental health standpoint either. :D
Did the top pros in the 90s need prami for their "progesterone problems" due to Parabolan or Deca? :D
Umm most responsible steroid users get regular blood work. So if your prolactin is elevated it's obvious. So you're wrong. It's not wild speculation. And cabaser is some great shit. Even if you don't do steroids. It's a nootropic and also can help men with their refractory period. I can fuck like a horse on that shit. 3 timees a day and it makes me feel bbetter than any antidepressant I've ever tried.
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Umm most responsible steroid users get regular blood work. So if your prolactin is elevated it's obvious. So you're wrong. It's not wild speculation. And cabaser is some great shit. Even if you don't do steroids. It's a nootropic and also can help men with their refractory period. I can fuck like a horse on that shit. 3 timees a day and it makes me feel bbetter than any antidepressant I've ever tried.
Where do you get your cab from? A research company or what? Pm if necessary, though I do not think it's controlled. Gracias.
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Curious do you think cabaser to be best for proggy sides or is prami better? Or other? What about bromocriptine? Chaste berry? Curious what you think.
i had a hard time sleeping when i was using prami :(
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i like caber and prefer it myself. some say that caber and arimidex combined dont do anything. i beg to differ. 2 weeks on this combo and any sensitivity i had disappeared.
I love aromasin myself.
I like it even more than femara
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Umm most responsible steroid users get regular blood work. So if your prolactin is elevated it's obvious. So you're wrong. It's not wild speculation. And cabaser is some great shit. Even if you don't do steroids. It's a nootropic and also can help men with their refractory period. I can fuck like a horse on that shit. 3 timees a day and it makes me feel bbetter than any antidepressant I've ever tried.
Maybe blood work is the responsible thing to do but the fact is that 99%+ of steroid users or those supplementing with dopamine agonists do not get regular blood work, especially for things like prolactin. Bodybuilders responsible? LOL :D
Since you have had blood work done regularly, what did you prolactin values look like? Are they in range when not on progesterone agonistic steroids? Are they out of range on Deca or Tren? Have you done Deca or tren without aromatizing steroids in the stack? If so, was prolactin in range?
Patrick Arnold doesn't think things like Tren increase prolactin directly (animal studies show opposite effect with tren pellets). He thinks it, and other non-aromatizing steroids, increase aromatase enzyme, which obviously increases estrogen if you have any test in the stack. More estrogen = elevated prolactin. His opinion isn't the last word by any means but the fact of the matter is that most bodybuilders in general have no idea wtf they are doing, what the drugs they are taking do, and they don't care. The majority do NOT get any type of blood work, especially during cycle. They will take anything and everything without even a cursory glance at the PDR reference for that particular drug. Very lazy. I'm lazy too but if I take new drug I at least read the PDR reference, but it's obviously asking too much from the typical bodybuilder. :D
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I'm lazy too but if I take new drug I at least read the PDR reference, but it's obviously asking too much from the typical bodybuilder. :D
bro I don't even know wtf is a PDR reference :D
does it mean to up the dosage in some ways ? ;D
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bro I don't even know wtf is a PDR reference :D
does it mean to up the dosage in some ways ? ;D
Physician's Desk Reference. You know the book your doc and the pharmacy has with all the drugs in it? :D
The insert in a box of drugs is pretty much the same thing.
I mean a bb could at least read the side-effects part... that way they don't have to ask their bros if this or that weird thing they are noticing is due to the new drug they are taking. They would know what to look out for, what's serious and what's not. It doesn't answer all questions about bodybuilding application obviously (abuse of the drug :D) but it's a start to get an idea of what it does.
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How long should one leave it to be relatively safe between dbol cycles? Been on it for 3 weeks now at 30mg/day split am/lunch/late evening and experiencing no negative side affects whatsoever. Running test e as well. Lowest row of abs have gotten a bit blurrier but I'm putting on strength and mass like a bastard.
Are dbol and drol hepatoxic in the same way? ie. 1 month either OK, 2 months bad, but 1 month one then one month the other OK? If you see what I mean?
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Physician's Desk Reference. You know the book your doc and the pharmacy has with all the drugs in it? :D
The insert in a box of drugs is pretty much the same thing.
I mean a bb could at least read the side-effects part... that way they don't have to ask their bros if this or that weird thing they are noticing is due to the new drug they are taking. They would know what to look out for, what's serious and what's not. It doesn't answer all questions about bodybuilding application obviously (abuse of the drug :D) but it's a start to get an idea of what it does.
Ooooh ok I do check those things out but on google.
that's how I found out cialis was destroying my stomach ;D
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do u guys recommend use proviron along with dbol and drol to eliminate the water ???
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Patrick Arnold doesn't think things like Tren increase prolactin directly (animal studies show opposite effect with tren pellets). He thinks it, and other non-aromatizing steroids, increase aromatase enzyme, which obviously increases estrogen if you have any test in the stack. More estrogen = elevated prolactin.
i agree with him. i can run 700mg plus of tren ace a week and and get prolactin induced senstitivity BUT, throw some winstrol in there and its a totally different ball game. for me winny + tren= very bad news.
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i agree with him. i can run 700mg plus of tren ace a week and and get prolactin induced senstitivity BUT, throw some winstrol in there and its a totally different ball game. for me winny + tren= very bad news.
You mean Winny makes it worse? It used to be that Winny was used to combat these "progesterone sides" from tren. :D
Still see this idea thrown around. Of course back in the day some geniouses such as nandi (the best) pointed out that the data seems to say the opposite... winny is an agonist too.
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You mean Winny makes it worse? It used to be that Winny was used to combat these "progesterone sides" from tren. :D
Still see this idea thrown around. Of course back in the day some geniouses such as nandi (the best) pointed out that the data seems to say the opposite... winny is an agonist too.
nah dude. i ran tren ace and winny with prop last year and i was sore like crazy. i can run either or and be fine. both together for some reason really aggravate me. i've heard the same thing about winny. the exact opposite seems to hold true for me.
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do u guys recommend use proviron along with dbol and drol to eliminate the water ???
Proviron doesn't so much eliminate the water as it keeps your libido functioning, esp when on other things like deca, winstrol, tren, etc. it also has a synergistic effect, making all the hormones you're taking work more efficiently together, one of the most important things I ever found out about gear use from a pro was to use proviron if you're combining more then 3 products.
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yeah, gh15 actually said once you get lean off tren, take it out and blow up with anadrola.
We are witnessing, THE NEW TESTAMENT
No what we are witnessing is a bunch of armchair warriors pretend they know about something and act like trained monkeys
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great thread. ;D ;D
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Bump for a Caber source...and how about one of you guys just post a good source for a change instead of being dicksbout it ?
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Bump for a Caber source...and how about one of you guys just post a good source for a change instead of being dicksbout it ?
My source is my doctor :)
and health insurance picks up the tab.
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Where do you get your cab from? A research company or what? Pm if necessary, though I do not think it's controlled. Gracias.
Overseas pharmacy!
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No what we are witnessing is a bunch of armchair warriors pretend they know about something and act like trained monkeys
LOL
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Groink is mad that he's left out of steroid talk because he has to pretend to be natural. You should make a gimmick so you can talk test
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Alldaychemist.com for all your ancillary needs. This is
Not an illegal source post
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Alldaychemist.com for all your ancillary needs. This is
Not an illegal source post
I can't find shit on this site, where is the cabaser? What else do they have that might be interesting? Aside from viagra...
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