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Clinton took office in 1992, and he supported the assault weapons ban in 1994.
Then, Bush let americans sit at risk for 3 1/2 years by not repealing the act on DAY ONE of his presidency. Expired via sunset provision in 2004.
So the fact of the matter is this: Under 75% of Clinton's presidency, and under 40% of Bush's presidency, we have sat underneath the assault weapons ban.
What % of Obama's presidency have we endured the assault weapons ban? ZERO.
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Oh lord.
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That weak sauce, even for you 120
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Oh lord.
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i love a good argument. What date will obama's version of the Brady Bill take place?
or, if not, could it be that both Clinton AND Bush infringed upon our rights to own high-caps and AR15s, but Obama did not?
Wouldn't that be some weird stuff?
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LOL what you love is to stick your head repeatedly up obamas ass...
thats not arguing bro
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LOL what you love is to stick your head repeatedly up obamas ass...
thats not arguing bro
240's just being a good American by swallowing Obama's loads. Doing his part to make it so there's one less janitor sucking a pension out of the system on the taxpayer dole.
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It's a valid question from 240, especially since everyone went apeshit buying guns and saying that Obama was going to take them all away. Remember how many were absolutely sure Obama was going to take everyone's guns away?
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Operation fast and furious hugo. Case closed.
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Operation fast and furious hugo. Case closed.
I don't think that closes the case. And I'm actually not going to jump out and say Obama is some shinning beacon for the 2nd Amendment because he is not. I was just pointing out 240's argument is not irrelevant especially in light of how so many acted like we wouldn't even have guns by now. There should be better replies than stuff like, "weak sauce" and "Oh Lord". With the mad rush to buy up guns right after Obama got in office... 240 has a valid point. Rather than laugh it off, why not just post stuff that shows otherwise.
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Health care took a lot longer than expected as did cap n trade.
After the absolute nuke job those treasonous pofs bill did to the dems, they did not want to add more fuel to the tea party fire for the mid terms.
After the nuking the dems got in the mid terms, there is no chance a awb2 has a chance in the house so the communist traitor obama knows its all pain no gain tp push it now.
Simple as that. Wither way, the operation fast and furios is far worse than iran contra and hopefully will send the communists in the admn to jail, from obama on down.
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240 has a valid point.
Not really. The basic assumption he's alledging is that Bush could have repealed the law "on day one".
Generally, a repeal requires 2/3 of the House and Senate. Even when the Republicans had full control in 2003, they did not have the 2/3 necessary.
And, it was Obama himself who campaigned on renewing the ban. He's backed off (and props to him for that).
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As far as I know, Team Dildo (Captained by Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton) are still planning on further destroying our sovereignty next year by allowing the UN's Small Arms treaty to destroy the 2nd amendment.
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Not really. The basic assumption he's alledging is that Bush could have repealed the law "on day one".
Generally, a repeal requires 2/3 of the House and Senate. Even when the Republicans had full control in 2003, they did not have the 2/3 necessary.
And, it was Obama himself who campaigned on renewing the ban. He's backed off (and props to him for that).
good post.
Side Note: Bush supported the Assault weapons ban anyway....
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Holy shit -
During his 2000 campaign, Bush said he supported the current ban
Read more: Why does Bush support 'assault weapon' ban?
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=18295#ixzz1ROFxEsN1
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Holy shit -
During his 2000 campaign, Bush said he supported the current ban
Read more: Why does Bush support 'assault weapon' ban?
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=18295#ixzz1ROFxEsN1
Bush and Obama - same shit different asshole.
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Bush could have TRIED to repeal it - and FORCED the dems to confirm it (In a POST-911 world! haha)
NO WAY in the world, with the whole USA vigilant against their muslims living next door, would moderate dems have voted to keep such a ban on guns.
Sorry yall.... Bush liked the bill and kept it, made no effort to stop it in an era where he probably would have won. Obama had a bulletproof "pass anything you want" house and senate, which he DID use to shove obamacare down the throats. He left guns alone. Not even a watered-down version of the brady bill.
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So are we all in agreement - in their ACTIONS - Bush kept the AWB in place for almost half of his presidency. Obama had a bulletproof congress to pass anything, and didn't touch it.
But hey, the "Obama wants our guns" sure got guys like 333386 to spend a shitload of $ on bloated gun prices in Nov 2008, remember? ;)
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I'm ecstatic 240 was the last to post. 240 did u vote for this assbag in a mistaken belief he was a centrist and your still holding out hope he's not the anti-american assbag we have been telling u he is. I think u thought it was hip to vote for him
example, his well-known disdain for those who cling to God and guns.) But before exploring Mr. Obama’s actual second term intentions for the Second Amendment, it will be instructive to review his record on the issue. This list is not in any way exhaustive:
(1) In 1996, then Illinois state Senator Obama answered a gun control questionnaire. He wrote that he supported a complete ban on the manufacture, sale, and possession of handguns and “assault weapons,” and also supported mandatory waiting periods and background checks. During the 2008 campaign, candidate Obama denied ever filling out the questionnaire, despite the fact that it was completed in his handwriting. FactCheck.org confirmed that he had, in fact, filled out the questionnaire. [source A]
(2) In 1998, Mr. Obama expressed his support for a complete ban on the sale or transfer of all semi-automatic firearms. He supported increasing state restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms — this in Illinois, one of the only two states that to this day bans concealed carry. [source A]
(3) The 1998 Joyce Foundation annual report revealed that Mr. Obama was a member of its board of directors. The Joyce Foundation is one of the largest sources of funding for anti-gun groups and for anti-gun “research.” [source 7]
(4) In 1999, the Chicago Defender reported that Mr. Obama wanted to ban the resale of police issued firearms, even for the purpose of buying new equipment. [source 4]
(5) In 1999, Mr. Obama endorsed a 500% increase in the federal excise tax on firearms and ammunition. This was obviously intended to increase the price of gun ownership so drastically as to make it unaffordable for most Americans. [source 4]
(6) In 1999, Mr. Obama supported a proposal to ban gun stores within five miles of a school or park. This was a reasonable sounding scheme that would have had the effect of banning nearly every gun store in America. [source 8]
(7) In 1999, the Chicago Defender also reported that Mr. Obama favored mandatory firearm training for all gun owners and a ban on gun ownership for everyone under 21. [source 4]
(8) In 2000, Mr. Obama cosponsored a bill that limited firearm purchases to one per month. The bill failed. He also voted against allowing citizens to violate local weapon bans where self-defense was involved. [source A]
(9) In 2004, Mr. Obama voted for an Illinois Senate bill that allowed retired law enforcement officers to carry concealed weapons. While this might seem to be at odds with every political stance he had taken on the issue, it was later revealed that at the time he was fighting his Republican opponent for the endorsement of the Fraternal Order of Police. His support for the bill was almost certainly cynical political pandering rather than an indication of any appreciation for police officers or for the rights of gun owners. [source A]
(10) In a 2004 Illinois Senate debate with Alan Keyes, Mr. Obama said: “I think it is a scandal that this president [Bush] did not authorize a renewal of the assault weapons ban.” [source A]
(11) In 2005, Mr. Obama voted in the U.S. Senate to ban nearly all rifle ammunition in common civilian use. [source 3]
(12) Mr. Obama opposes four of the five Supreme Court justices who affirmed an individual right to keep and bear arms. He said he would not have voted for Scalia or Thomas and voted against the confirmation of Alito and Chief Justice Roberts. [source 1]
(13) Mr. Obama voted to allow lawsuits against firearm manufacturers for the acts of third parties beyond their knowledge or control. Such suits were designed to destroy the domestic firearms industry. [source 2]
(14) Mr. Obama has consistently opposed right to carry laws. [source 6]
(14) A 2007 report revealed that Mr. Obama supported a ban on standard capacity magazines. [source 9]
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-future-of-obamas-stealth-gun-control/2/
(15) A 2008 report revealed that Mr. Obama was in favor of mandatory micro-stamping, a scheme which would significantly increase the cost of new firearms while simultaneously establishing a massive registry. Despite uniform scientific evidence that the scheme does not and cannot work, efforts to impose it continue today. [source 10]
(16) In 2008, ABC News reported Mr. Obama’s support for gun bans in major cities including Chicago and Washington, D.C. [source 5]
(17) Mr. Obama’s 2008 campaign website indicated his support for the repeal of the Tiahrt Amendment, which prohibits information on gun traces collected by the ATF from being used in nuisance lawsuits against firearm dealers and manufacturers. This too is a battle anti-gun forces continue to fight. [source 11]
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120 could care less. Obama probably slipped him a c note in 2009 when that commie traitor came to ft. meyers and 120 devoted his undying loyalty as a result.
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what legislation has obama approved SINCE TAKING OFFICE to hinder our gun rights?
Cause he rep'd shitbag ILL and chicago, a bastion of anti-gun prickery.
i live in FL. What has he done to steal my gun rights since Jan 20, 2009? Anything? i don't give a shit what illionois voters allow - they're dumbasses for putting in obama over keyes to begin with. they get what they vote for.
What has he done AS PRESIDENT? Cause I lived under the Brady Bill for 3.5 years of Bush2 reign, and ZERO YEARS under Obama.
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120 could care less. Obama probably slipped him a c note in 2009 when that commie traitor came to ft. meyers and 120 devoted his undying loyalty as a result.
Don't worry dude, he's "conservative". Or was it libertarian now? The 45,000 posts he's logged praising Obama are all in jest. ::)
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so, um, what has obama done since becoming president to impede my gun rights?
i lived under 3.5 years of anti-gun brady bill bullshit under Bush. Nothing under Obama.
So how come we love bush on guns and hate obama on guns? Bush could have repealed that shit in a minute after 9/11, and obama could have PASSED that shit in a minute with his bulletproof congress that even let obamacare pass.
Sorry, insult me, I get that... but you ignore my point. What has obama done to limit my gun rights as POTUS?
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Who loves Bush on guns?
I certainly don't... He added the patriot act. But he DID at least let the ban expire.
No, Obama hasn't banned weapons yet, but what if he tries?
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Who loves Bush on guns?
I certainly don't... He added the patriot act. But he DID at least let the ban expire.
No, Obama hasn't banned weapons yet, but what if he tries?
This is 240's M.O. Deflect, deflect, deflect. Any discussion of something Obama does is derailed by this asshole and forced onto either Palin, Bush or the Repubs.
The funniest part of this is that liberals like 240 think they're actually proving something by comparing Mr. "Hope and changey", aka the anti-Bush, to Bush.
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so, um, what has obama done since becoming president to impede my gun rights?
i lived under 3.5 years of anti-gun brady bill bullshit under Bush. Nothing under Obama.
So how come we love bush on guns and hate obama on guns? Bush could have repealed that shit in a minute after 9/11, and obama could have PASSED that shit in a minute with his bulletproof congress that even let obamacare pass.
Sorry, insult me, I get that... but you ignore my point. What has obama done to limit my gun rights as POTUS?
What point? All your saying is Bush did nothing and Obama's done nothing. And Bush was in office for 8 years. Seems to me like Barry has some catching up to do.
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This is 240's M.O. Deflect, deflect, deflect. Any discussion of something Obama does is derailed by this asshole and forced onto either Palin, Bush or the Repubs.
The funniest part of this is that liberals like 240 think they're actually proving something by comparing Mr. "Hope and changey", aka the anti-Bush, to Bush.
It's fucking sad... I admit that I hated Bush... The Patriot Act, 2 Wars, and a host of other things I can't stand... so why the fuck wouldn't I want "change" to be actual fucking CHANGE.
I would have wanted the guy to be NOTHING like Bush... but he's just the same... Sure... the other guy would have too, but he DIDN'T win!
Obama did and he's just as fucking bad.
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If you vote for most of the current field your guns will be safe but I'm not sure the economy will boom any time soon. If you go tea party.....I think your going to see change. Bachman is nuts..she's smarter then Palin, more media ready and much more experience but she's waaay to nuts. Perry/Rubio 12' or Perry/Christie.....
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Clinton took office in 1992, and he supported the assault weapons ban in 1994.
Then, Bush let americans sit at risk for 3 1/2 years by not repealing the act on DAY ONE of his presidency. Expired via sunset provision in 2004.
So the fact of the matter is this: Under 75% of Clinton's presidency, and under 40% of Bush's presidency, we have sat underneath the assault weapons ban.
What % of Obama's presidency have we endured the assault weapons ban? ZERO.
Bump for an answer.................
Bush allowed the insane brady bill to continue for 3.5 years when he could have easily repealed it.
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Bump for an answer.................
Bush allowed the insane brady bill to continue for 3.5 years when he could have easily repealed it.
240 - how does a bill become a law and how is it repealed?
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If you vote for most of the current field your guns will be safe but I'm not sure the economy will boom any time soon. If you go tea party.....I think your going to see change. Bachman is nuts..she's smarter then Palin, more media ready and much more experience but she's waaay to nuts. Perry/Rubio 12' or Perry/Christie.....
Yes, vote for the guy who thinks that gathering a football stadium full of people in prayer will solve Americas Problems. He also did the same for the Texas droughts. ::)
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Yes, vote for the guy who thinks that gathering a football stadium full of people in prayer will solve Americas Problems. He also did the same for the Texas droughts. ::)
As opposed to Obama? LMFAO - at this point prayer seems like a viable plan compared to this disaster you voted for and got so giddy over shopping in the same supermarket over.
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240 - how does a bill become a law and how is it repealed?
bachmann and romney have both vowed to repeal obamacare on day 1 of their admin.
I wonder why bush didn't feel so strongly about the brady bill?
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bachmann and romney have both vowed to repeal obamacare on day 1 of their admin.
I wonder why bush didn't feel so strongly about the brady bill?
Maybe because he had bigger issues to deal with like 9/11 and the economy?
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Maybe because he had bigger issues to deal with like 9/11 and the economy?
on jan 20, 2001?
yeahhhhhhhhhhhhh sorry. He had time to scream about stem cell research all spring 2001 then spend the summer golfing. He certainly had time in that first 8 months to restore gun rights. Do you really want to look at his first 8 months in office and rank all those items over the brady bill?
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on jan 20, 2001?
yeahhhhhhhhhhhhh sorry. He had time to scream about stem cell research all spring 2001 then spend the summer golfing. He certainly had time in that first 8 months to restore gun rights. Do you really want to look at his first 8 months in office and rank all those items over the brady bill?
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Maybe because AWB2 was not crippling the nation at the time? Damn you are dense. You can't see the difference between AWB2 which was set to expire regardless, and ObamaCare, which is already helping collapse the economy?
Good job 240.
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Maybe because AWB2 was not crippling the nation at the time? Damn you are dense. You can't see the difference between AWB2 which was set to expire regardless, and ObamaCare, which is already helping collapse the economy?
Good job 240.
it was set to expire almost FOUR YEARS later.
It didn't expire until 2004. You're telling me Bush was too busy to help the 70 million gun owners of america? Too busy with golf and stem cells to allow us to protect ourselves?
Sorry homie... he supported the bill while running, and left it in place once he took office. He's a fcking lib on gun rights, and you know this.
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it was set to expire almost FOUR YEARS later.
It didn't expire until 2004. You're telling me Bush was too busy to help the 70 million gun owners of america? Too busy with golf and stem cells to allow us to protect ourselves?
Sorry homie... he supported the bill while running, and left it in place once he took office. He's a fcking lib on gun rights, and you know this.
And?
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Maybe because AWB2 was not crippling the nation at the time? Damn you are dense. You can't see the difference between AWB2 which was set to expire regardless, and ObamaCare, which is already helping collapse the economy?
Good job 240.
that is possibly one of the worst replies... Why don't you just come out and see Bush for what he was on this issue. He was actually for the ban. It's congress that failed to do anything so he never had a bill to sign or veto. But regardless, on this issue, the issue this thread relates to, Bush supported the fucking ban.
Seems to me you're trying to twist shit into a new subject. Don't do that...
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that is possibly one of the worst replies... Why don't you just come out and see Bush for what he was on this issue. He was actually for the ban. It's congress that failed to do anything so he never had a bill to sign or veto. But regardless, on this issue, the issue this thread was about, Bush supported the fucking ban.
Seems to me you're trying to twist shit into a new subject. Don't do that...
Yes he did, and where did I ever say I liked Bush? I have asked every poster on this board to show me even once saying i liked bush. Even one post out of 58k will do.
What Bush did was irrelevent as he let it expire. Additionally, the original AWB was mostly cosmetic bs, the one obama wanted was far more expansive.
And as for obamacare - 240 brought it up, not me.
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And as for obamacare - 240 brought it up, not me.
wrong, you were the first to bring up health care in this thread.
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bachmann and romney have both vowed to repeal obamacare on day 1 of their admin.
I wonder why bush didn't feel so strongly about the brady bill?
This is what I was reponding to Hugo
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Bush said that he supported the AWB. In 2000, when running for president.
As president, he kept it in place. He had plenty of time and dealt with far smaller issues. After 911, when security was a worry, it would have been the PERFECT time to nullify the bill. Nope. he left the bill in place, just as he promised in 2000.
So yes, bush was an anti-gun mfer. let's just see ya disprove that one, champ.
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Bush said that he supported the AWB. In 2000, when running for president.
As president, he kept it in place. He had plenty of time and dealt with far smaller issues. After 911, when security was a worry, it would have been the PERFECT time to nullify the bill. Nope. he left the bill in place, just as he promised in 2000.
So yes, bush was an anti-gun mfer. let's just see ya disprove that one, champ.
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Why did he let it expire?
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Why did he let it expire?
he needed far-right votes (and donations) in that 2004 election.
seriously, bush let americans suffer that brady bill bullshit for 3.5 years... and your only defense is "well, he didn't renew it..."
Pathetic. President Harry Browne would have repeated that shitty bill on Jan 20, 2001. You know this, man. Bush let it ride for 90% of his first term.
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he needed far-right votes (and donations) in that 2004 election.
seriously, bush let americans suffer that brady bill bullshit for 3.5 years... and your only defense is "well, he didn't renew it..."
Pathetic. President Harry Browne would have repeated that shitty bill on Jan 20, 2001. You know this, man. Bush let it ride for 90% of his first term.
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i'm not crying over something that happened nearly 8 years ago which he let expire while your messiah ran on a platform of renacting it , and now promising more gun control, not to mention Fast and Furious, that you could care less about.
Your shit show attempt at deflecting and defending obama are really disgusting lately. Seriously, you need to check yourself.
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I'm not crying over something that happened nearly 8 years ago which he let expire while your messiah ran on a platform of renacting it , and now promising more gun control, not to mention Fast and Furious, that you could care less about.
Your shit show attempt at deflecting and defending obama are really disgusting lately. Seriously, you need to check yourself.
if Obama enacts new gun control, I'll be the loudest one criticizing him for it. particularly if it rivals the brady bill.
HISTORICALLY, we spent 40% of the bush2 era under the Brady bill.
HISTORICALLY, we have spent 0% of the Obama era under any kind of limitation like that, on hi-caps, rifles, etc.
So in 20 years when we look back at which presidents are anti-gun... will Bush be looked at as more of a gungrabber than Obama? Or will obama one-up him with some crazy gun legislation before then? And IF he does - is there ANY chance that it gets thru a repub congress? Of course not. So he probably won't do it...
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if Obama enacts new gun control, I'll be the loudest one criticizing him for it. particularly if it rivals the brady bill.
HISTORICALLY, we spent 40% of the bush2 era under the Brady bill.
HISTORICALLY, we have spent 0% of the Obama era under any kind of limitation like that, on hi-caps, rifles, etc.
So in 20 years when we look back at which presidents are anti-gun... will Bush be looked at as more of a gungrabber than Obama? Or will obama one-up him with some crazy gun legislation before then? And IF he does - is there ANY chance that it gets thru a repub congress? Of course not. So he probably won't do it...
You have a 4th grade level of understanding of govt at best.
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You have a 4th grade level of understanding of govt at best.
Could bush have repealed the Brady bill - yes or no?
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Could bush have repealed the Brady bill - yes or no?
No.
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i'm not crying over something that happened nearly 8 years ago which he let expire while your messiah ran on a platform of renacting it , and now promising more gun control, not to mention Fast and Furious, that you could care less about.
Your shit show attempt at deflecting and defending obama are really disgusting lately. Seriously, you need to check yourself.
Bush was for the ban, I think that's been said... He didn't let it expire, congress did that.
You're the last person here who should lecture others about deflecting.
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No.
how will romeny repeal Obamacare on day 1, as he proposed?
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how will romeny repeal Obamacare on day 1, as he proposed?
Very simple, congress passes legislation to repeal, he signs it. Obamacare is no more
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Very simple, congress passes legislation to repeal, he signs it. Obamacare is no more
I sure bet a republican controlled house and senate would have passed a bill repeating the Brady Bill after 911.
I wonder why Bush didn't feel that was important.
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I sure bet a republican controlled house and senate would have passed a bill repeating the Brady Bill after 911.
I wonder why Bush didn't feel that was important.
Ever hear of the filibuster moron?
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Ever hear of the filibuster moron?
so dems won't use the filibuster to stop President Romney from repealing Obamacare?
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No.
You mean no as in he could not by himself. Not no as in he could not have tried. And I figure he could have if he wanted to.
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You mean no as in he could not by himself. Not no as in he could not have tried. And I figure he could have if he wanted to.
Could he himself? No
Should he have tried? Yes
was Bush a RINO? Yes
Was he worse than Obama? no
Why? He let it expire while obama wants to re-impose it.
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You're the last person here who should lecture others about deflecting.
HAHAHAHA
I remember all the whining, gnashing of teeth and running to get firearms when Obama was elected. All the naysayers and whiners went on and on and on about losing their 2nd Amendment right.
Now all they can do is sit around with their thumbs up their asses when the topic comes back around and people ask "hey what happened?"
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HAHAHAHA
I remember all the whining, gnashing of teeth and running to get firearms when Obama was elected. All the naysayers and whiners went on and on and on about losing their 2nd Amendment right.
Now all they can do is sit around with their thumbs up their asses when the topic comes back around and people ask "hey what happened?"
HEY YOU FUCKING PIECE OF COMMUNIST TRASH - OBAMA ONLY SENT RIFLES AND WEAPONS ACROSS THE BORDER RESULTING PEOPLES'S DEATHS TO UNDERMINE THE 2ND AND PUSH THE LIE HE WAS PEDDLING ABOUT AWB AND GUN DEALERS OVER THE BORDER BEING THE MAIN SOURCE OF WEAPONS.
So go fuck yourself you piece of shit - you voted for this shit. you voted for a gun runner, a communist, a liar, a thief, a fraud, an anti-constitutional marxist traitor, who ran on a platform of repealing AWB law and told Sarah Brady he was enacting gun control "under the radar"
so before you start spouting off on topics you are clueless about - do a second of research before making such an ass of yourself.
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I assume you have 100% Obama did that for just that reason.
I assume you can post a link to where this solid iron clad proof exists.
Again.... where is his ACTUAL efforts to take away your 2nd Amendment right. Not the ones in your heads along with the rest of the delusional thoughts that fractured little brain shits out, but the real 100% proven efforts. Where are they?
Now here the part where you whine, cry, and deflect this into another little shit pretzel with your twisting in an effort to show what an idiot you are.
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I assume you have 100% Obama did that for just that reason.
I assume you can post a link to where this solid iron clad proof exists.
Again.... where is his ACTUAL efforts to take away your 2nd Amendment right. Not the ones in your heads along with the rest of the delusional thoughts that fractured little brain shits out, but the real 100% proven efforts. Where are they?
Now here the part where you whine, cry, and deflect this into another little shit pretzel with your twisting in an effort to show what an idiot you are.
Then why don't you tell us. The ATF and DOJ have no jurisdiction in Mexico, what exactly were they going to accomplish with this? Seems to me the President of Mexico was here not that long ago crying about US arms in Mexico was he not? Now all of the sudden we have this, to what, prove that US arms are indeed going into Mexico? To bad its the government that is forcing it to happen. So whats the end game?
The investigation into this mess has barely started and there is already the test balloon being floated to see what public reaction is to new "common sense" gun laws.
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Lurkers' ignorance regarding Fast & Furious is mirrored by his stupidity and ignorance on most issues.
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Again, what has anything going to Mexico got to do with US citizens 2nd Amendment Right.
And in the case of the hysterical Crytalian Chicken Little who cries about the sky falling nonstop... where is there absolute proof that Obama directly sent the weapons there?
Oh that's right... there isn't.
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Again, what has anything going to Mexico got to do with US citizens 2nd Amendment Right.
And in the case of the hysterical Crytalian Chicken Little who cries about the sky falling nonstop... where is there absolute proof that Obama directly sent the weapons there?
Oh that's right... there isn't.
Thank you for again exposing yourself to be a fucking idiot with no clue on this. Go back to the gay beach with your Malibu Bay Breezes and speedo shorts dipshit.
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Boo - Hoo.
Still no proof. If there was solid proof like I asked for you would have provided it right? RIGHT?
And you didn't. Why? It doesn't exist.
Cry chicken little cry......
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Again, what has anything going to Mexico got to do with US citizens 2nd Amendment Right.
And in the case of the hysterical Crytalian Chicken Little who cries about the sky falling nonstop... where is there absolute proof that Obama directly sent the weapons there?
Oh that's right... there isn't.
Not that we know of yet, why is DOJ stonewalling the investigation? Why is the COC getting redacted documents? Why is Melson laywering up? Its not hard to put 2 and 2 together and see where this is leading. How are they going to stop the supposed flow of weapons into Mexico? I bet it has something to do with gun laws in the US that will directly effect the 2nd amendment rights of the American citizen. It sure as hell isn't going to involve securing the border.
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Not that we know of yet, why is DOJ stonewalling the investigation? Why is the COC getting redacted documents? Why is Melson laywering up? Its not hard to put 2 and 2 together and see where this is leading. How are they going to stop the supposed flow of weapons into Mexico? I bet it has something to do with gun laws in the US that will directly effect the 2nd amendment rights of the American citizen. It sure as hell isn't going to involve securing the border.
So how stupid are little crybabies for trying to pass it off as a proof for their own delusional rants?
Again, I am asking specifically :
I assume you have 100% Obama did that for just that reason.
I assume you can post a link to where this solid iron clad proof exists.
Again.... where is his ACTUAL efforts to take away your 2nd Amendment right.
That is specifically about OBAMA. Not the DOJ. Not the COC. But Obama. So far not a single effort from Obama has been for taking away the 2nd Amendment. Conspiracy theories and delusional rants are the same as PROOF.
According to the resident crybaby, Obama is behind all this. I am simply asking for solid proof of that claim. So far... nothing. But then again, that is nothing new in itself.
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So how stupid are little crybabies for trying to pass it off as a proof for their own delusional rants?
Again, I am asking specifically :
That is specifically about OBAMA. Not the DOJ. Not the COC. But Obama. So far not a single effort from Obama has been for taking away the 2nd Amendment. Conspiracy theories and delusional rants are the same as PROOF.
According to the resident crybaby, Obama is behind all this. I am simply asking for solid proof of that claim. So far... nothing. But then again, that is nothing new in itself.
This is all going to depend on Melson, and it appears he's not going under the bus without a fight. Is Obama behind this? only time and the investigation will tell, at the very least the people the POTUS appointed are. What we do know is that dealers were forced to sell to straw purchasers, this directly resulted in the deaths of US and Mexican citizens. I figured Melson was going to fall on his sword, but it doesn't look like he wants to be the scape goat.
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This is all going to depend on Melson, and it appears he's not going under the bus without a fight. Is Obama behind this? only time and the investigation will tell, at the very least the people the POTUS appointed are. What we do know is that dealers were forced to sell to straw purchasers, this directly resulted in the deaths of US and Mexican citizens. I figured Melson was going to fall on his sword, but it doesn't look like he wants to be the scape goat.
Yes Obama and Holder are behind this. Smoking gun - here you go, paid for by the Stimulus Bill.
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Yes Obama and Holder are behind this. Smoking gun - here you go, paid for by the Stimulus Bill.
Well I would say that doesn't look to good for this Administration. He specifically said operation gunrunner.
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Well I would say that doesn't look to good for this Administration. He specifically said operation gunrunner.
and he said - NEW INITIATIVES FUNDED BY THE STIM BILL ON THE BORDER REGARDING GUN TRACING.
GUESS WHAT THAT WAS?
FAST AND FURIOUS.
NOW ITS YOUR TURN LURKERBITCH.
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Well I would say that doesn't look to good for this Administration. He specifically said operation gunrunner.
Looks pretty fucking sad... Fuck Obama.
Yeah, I said it.
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Some little crybaby obviously doesn't know the difference between PROOF and BULLSHIT.
Proof is consisting of facts. You know... things that can be proven with solid evidence.
Bullshit is consisting of conspiracy theories, whining, crying, rants and whatever else your little posts contain. You know... delusional thinking from an insecure little twat.
Most fatties trying to pass themselves off as lawyers would understand a simple concept and the difference between proof and bullshit. Most. But obviously not all as we can see here with you.
I asked for proof. You gave bullshit. Not a big surprise. Since that is all you are ever capable of.
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Some little crybaby obviously doesn't know the difference between PROOF and BULLSHIT.
Proof is consisting of facts. You know... things that can be proven with solid evidence.
Bullshit is consisting of conspiracy theories, whining, crying, rants and whatever else your little posts contain. You know... delusional thinking from an insecure little twat.
Most fatties trying to pass themselves off as lawyers would understand a simple concept and the difference between proof and bullshit. Most. But obviously not all as we can see here with you.
I asked for proof. You gave bullshit. Not a big surprise. Since that is all you are ever capable of.
LMAO!!!! Watch the clip you piece of shit. Are you deaf? Do you need it close captioned for you?
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I don't watch your bullshit clips.
When you have absolute proof that Obama himself directly sold those weapons to Mexico then you can defend your claim that he is doing it.
Until then, you don't have proof. You have bullshit.
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I don't watch your bullshit clips.
When you have absolute proof that Obama himself directly sold those weapons to Mexico then you can defend your claim that he is doing it.
Until then, you don't have proof. You have bullshit.
Ha ha ha ha ha - the Ass AG is on record saying they started the Operation at the behest of obama. Now he is lying too of course. ha ha ha ha.
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Yes Obama and Holder are behind this. Smoking gun - here you go, paid for by the Stimulus Bill.
Bump for Lurkertwat.
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Solid Proof = 0
More Bullshit = +1
You are not a lawyer at all are you? Unable to understand simple things like this.
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Solid Proof = 0
More Bullshit = +1
You are not a lawyer at all are you? Unable to understand simple things like this.
LMFAO. Issa claims this tape and the other holder speech constitute proof they are lying. I guess you know more than him too.
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Solid Proof = 0
More Bullshit = +1
You are not a lawyer at all are you? Unable to understand simple things like this.
Dude, I think you letting your dislike of 333 cloud your judgment, the Assistant AG specifically said at the direction of the POTUS and also mentioned operation gun runner by name.
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Dude, I think you letting your dislike of 333 cloud your judgment, the Assistant AG specifically said at the direction of the POTUS and also mentioned operation gun runner by name.
Where is it proven that OBAMA directly did this himself?
Not what was said, what was proven.
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Where is it proven that OBAMA directly did this himself?
Not what was said, what was proven.
So now the Attorney General is lying too.
LMFAO.
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Proof. Do you know what it means?
Not hearsay. Not what someone suspects. But proof.
You obviously have never been in a real court room as you can't comprehend a simple concept like this. Maybe you should stick with your queer projections for replies instead.
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Proof. Do you know what it means?
Not hearsay. Not what someone suspects. But proof.
You obviously have never been in a real court room as you can't comprehend a simple concept like this. Maybe you should stick with your queer projections for replies instead.
Right - because the AG would undertake this policy on his own, despite saying that Obama told him to do so as part of his new policy, and despite the inherent absurdity of it? ::) ::) ::)
LMAO - keep it up bro - your posts are epic comedy.
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Wish your posts were comedy. But unfortunately it is kind of hard to laugh at someone so delusional retarded.
Again, you simply do not know what PROOF is do you. If Obama did that, where are the charges? Hmm? Prove it. CTs and your little fractured brain simply can't make it true by repeating it over and over.
Keep crying though. It gives you purpose each day I suppose.
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Wish your posts were comedy. But unfortunately it is kind of hard to laugh at someone so delusional retarded.
Again, you simply do not know what PROOF is do you. If Obama did that, where are the charges? Hmm? Prove it. CTs and your little fractured brain simply can't make it true by repeating it over and over.
Keep crying though. It gives you purpose each day I suppose.
Its no CT - watch the clip you gay freak.
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Once again, resorting to your homosexual projections and frustrations only show you have nothing else to fall back on. No surprise.
Again, you either have proof or bullshit. So far, I haven't seen any proof, but have seen a whole lot of bullshit.
Good thing about going to Italy at the end of this week is to see real Italians and not insecure no life having Crytalians who lie all the time.
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Yes Obama and Holder are behind this. Smoking gun - here you go, paid for by the Stimulus Bill.
BUMP for lurkertwat!
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Bump for proof of Obama attacking 2nd Amendment rights.
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Bump for proof of Obama attacking 2nd Amendment rights.
LMFAO! Are you serious?
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You basically just post to talk to yourself don't you? In real life, just like on here, no one ever listens to you for very long. Before growing bored with the nonstop whining and lying. So you just post online ALL DAY LONG to give the voices in your head an outlet.
Being a self loathing sociopath with queer tendencies has got to be a heavy burden to carry day in and day out.
QFT!!! As evidence - PROOF - shows.
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LMFAO! Are you serious?
I am serious.
Unfortunately you must not be. Because you haven't supplied proof yet. No biggie though. It isn't like you have any credibility left on this board anyway.
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Yes Obama and Holder are behind this. Smoking gun - here you go, paid for by the Stimulus Bill.
BUMP for the 5th time for lurkertwat
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Bump for PROOF for the Nth time.
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Bump for PROOF for the Nth time.
Watch the damn clip!
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this isn't a gunrunner thread.
this is about the AWB.
Something that bush supported and kept in place.
Something that we don't live under, with prez obama.
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this isn't a gunrunner thread.
this is about the AWB.
Something that bush supported and kept in place.
Something that we don't live under, with prez obama.
Give it up, if Obama could outlaw all firearms he would, and before you say something stupid, I'm from IL and have had to deal with the fucker at a state and local level.
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this isn't a gunrunner thread.
this is about the AWB.
Something that bush supported and kept in place.
Something that we don't live under, with prez obama.
LMFAO - no we only have 150 dead mexicans, 2 dead border agents, new
ATF rules on long arms, the WH press sec said obama issuing new gun control rules by fiat, and sarah brady saying obama told her he is working on more gun control under the radar.
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Give it up, if Obama could outlaw all firearms he would, and before you say something stupid, I'm from IL and have had to deal with the fucker at a state and local level.
I'm sure you're right. But ACTION speaks a whole lot louder than "if".
He had enough congressional power to pass obamacare, finreg, and a bunch of other crap - he never went with gun control.
So his beliefs, motives, wishes - these mean nothing to me. The legislation he enacts to hurt my rights - that is what matters. I have seen zero such legislation under Obama, and since he lost congress and may house, I suspect we never will.
history might show that under term 1 of Bush2, we had AWB - but Obama never 'went there'. No matter how he felt, what he wanted - results do the talking.
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Oh I forgot - 2000 assault rifles on both sides of the border obama and holder let walk with no trace into the hands of mexican cartels.
LMAO - 240 - go fuck yourself.
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Give it up, if Obama could outlaw all firearms he would, and before you say something stupid, I'm from IL and have had to deal with the fucker at a state and local level.
The exact point I am making. We all know he would. But so far, he hasn't done jack shit to touch them. Anyone with more than one brain cell can see that.
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I'm sure you're right. But ACTION speaks a whole lot louder than "if".
He had enough congressional power to pass obamacare, finreg, and a bunch of other crap - he never went with gun control.
So his beliefs, motives, wishes - these mean nothing to me. The legislation he enacts to hurt my rights - that is what matters. I have seen zero such legislation under Obama, and since he lost congress and may house, I suspect we never will.
history might show that under term 1 of Bush2, we had AWB - but Obama never 'went there'. No matter how he felt, what he wanted - results do the talking.
Are you really trying to use common sense and logic here? We all know the effect it has on 333. The same effect sunlight has on vampires.
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The exact point I am making. We all know he would. But so far, he hasn't done jack shit to touch them. Anyone with more than one brain cell can see that.
I bet a lot of politicians in BOTH parties would LOVE a country where guns suddnely didn't exist. But the proof is in the pudding.
Obama owned congress and didn't touch guns. Now he lost 1/2 congress, and may lose the other half. He'll never get an OUNCE of gun legislation thru a republican congress. He knows it, we konw it. If he gave a shit, he could have gone at it with obamacare, like he did when he owned both houses.
its looking more and more likely that obama will never come with another AWB. Clinton made it, Bush kept it in place, and Obama never went there. Obama beats those 2 when it comes to our gun rights, huh?
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its looking more and more likely that obama will never come with another AWB. Clinton made it, Bush kept it in place, and Obama never went there. Obama beats those 2 when it comes to our gun rights, huh?
Proof and evidence indicates he did.
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Proof and evidence indicates he did.
Can't we just throw out proof and evidence, and make our evaluation of obama based upon our emotions and supposition?
It's a lot easier to call him an anti-gun president if we think about rights he WANTED to take.
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Yeah, let's not let our opinions be clouded with truth and logic, but instead let's just ignore it out of blind hatred of him and pretend he already rode in and gathered them up.
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Yeah, let's not let our opinions be clouded with truth and logic, but instead let's just ignore it out of blind hatred of him and pretend he already rode in and gathered them up.
You mean like not watching the clip of Ass. AG saying obama ordered Fast and Furious?
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Ahh yes. Just like that. Perfect example of rather having proof and evidence instead of youtube spam.
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The exact point I am making. We all know he would. But so far, he hasn't done jack shit to touch them. Anyone with more than one brain cell can see that.
I was at the LGS yesterday and the sales guy said basically Obama is the best gun sales men in the country. As soon as he even starts floating trial balloons sale go way up.
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I was at the LGS yesterday and the sales guy said basically Obama is the best gun sales men in the country. As soon as he even starts floating trial balloons sale go way up.
No wonder weird rumors about him taking guns get started then.
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thanks