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Sacramento --
Public schools in California will be required to teach students about the contributions of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender Americans starting Jan. 1 after Gov. Jerry Brown on Thursday signed a controversial bill to add the topic to the social sciences curriculum.
Textbooks now must include information on the role of LGBT Americans, as well as Americans with disabilities, though California's budget crisis has delayed the purchasing of new books until at least 2015.
"History should be honest," Brown, a Democrat, said in a statement. "This bill revises existing laws that prohibit discrimination in education and ensures that the important contributions of Americans from all backgrounds and walks of life are included in our history books."
The governor called the legislation, SB48, introduced by Sen. Mark Leno, D-San Francisco, "historic."
The law - the first of its kind in the nation - adds the two groups to an existing list of minority and other groups that are required to be part of the social sciences curriculum.
Safer schools
Gay rights supporters heralded Brown's action as a major victory. They said the law will help make public schools a safer place for LGBT students as well as give those students, and their classmates, examples of accomplished and important LGBT people.
Throughout the debate on the measure, backers noted the recent spate of suicides among young LGBT people and said it would help to combat bullying that typically occurs beforehand.
Opponents, however, fiercely opposed the measure, citing religious objections to homosexuality and questioning whether such instruction is necessary. They expressed dismay with Brown's signing of the bill.
"If children in other countries are learning math and science, and American children are learning about the private lives of historical figures, how will our students compete for jobs in the global economy?" said Sen. Sharon Runner, R-Lancaster (Los Angeles County), the vice chairwoman of the Senate Committee on Education.
Beyond California
The provision on inclusion in textbooks could reach beyond California, too, as many book publishers tailor their texts to California's standards because of the state's large population. The bill does not prescribe how schools will teach the subject, and Leno said that decision will be made by local school officials and teachers.
"What the bill calls for is for the contributions of LGBT people to be included," Leno said, adding, "We wrote it broadly for a reason. We would be subject to more criticism than we've already been getting if we were more dictatorial."
Leno said the mandates apply broadly, though, telling reporters it would affect kindergarten through high school curriculum, "and, of course, in an age-appropriate way."
Gay rights advocates said they will be vigilant about making sure schools across California comply.
Carolyn Laub, the founder and executive director of the Gay-Straight Alliance Network, which works to establish gay-straight clubs in schools, said such clubs exist in 55 percent of California's high schools.
"We'll certainly be letting all of our constituents know about this bill, and when it goes into effect I can assure you there will be thousands of students" watching to see how it is implemented, she said.
Proponents have cited slain San Francisco Supervisor Harvey Milk as a person with historical significance, along with events such as the Stonewall Riots in New York City that helped launch the LGBT rights movement as examples of topics that could be taught.
Superintendent of Public Instruction Tom Torlakson, a Democrat, praised Brown's move, saying, "Our history is more complete when we recognize the contributions of people from all backgrounds and walks of life."
Cutting into class time
Still, opponents questioned the effect the bill would have and the need for explicit instruction for all students about a relatively small group.
The bill "does absolutely nothing to reduce bullying, improve the poor state of our education system, ensure students graduate or prepare them for global competitiveness," said Paulo Sibaja, legislative director of the Capitol Resource Institute, a socially conservative organization in Sacramento. "Instead it diverts precious classroom time away from science, math, reading and writing, and focuses on the agenda of a small group of people."
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That's gay ;D
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"If children in other countries are learning math and science, and American children are learning about the private lives of historical figures, how will our students compete for jobs in the global economy?" said Sen. Sharon Runner, R-Lancaster (Los Angeles County), the vice chairwoman of the Senate Committee on Education.
Beyond California
Now this is pretty fucking stupid. Even by a Republican's standard of stupidity.
Fear mongering never works huh?
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Any thing they teach in school that in anyway resembles American history is a coincidence.
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Any thing they teach in school that in anyway resembles American history is a coincidence.
lol
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No wonder most people from that idiot state are so fucked up and the state is in collapse.
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No wonder most people from that idiot state are so fucked up and the state is in collapse.
agreed. teaching gay contributions at some future date is most certainly the cause of the financial problems of california for the last 12 years.
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agreed. teaching gay contributions at some future date is most certainly the cause of the financial problems of california for the last 12 years.
Yes. it shows the priorities past, present, and future of the fools running California.
Its the land of the morons, Pelosi, Waxman, Boxer, dellums, Feinstein, Sanchez, etc, you know, all the people you so admire?
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agreed. teaching gay contributions at some future date is most certainly the cause of the financial problems of california for the last 12 years.
ZINNNGGGGG!!!!
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What exactly is the point of this? What does sexual orientation have to do with historical accomplishments? He charged up San Juan hill with TR because he was gay? Pure nonsense, and is going to cost the tax payer an assload of money to print new text books.......
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What exactly is the point of this? What does sexual orientation have to do with historical accomplishments? He charged up San Juan hill with TR because he was gay? Pure nonsense, and is going to cost the tax pay an assload of money to print new text books.......
and the morons wonder why states and the govt are collapsing. ::) ::)
Its the far left agenda that is collapsing the nation morally, financially, militarily, etc and these pieces of trash supporting this will not be happy until the entire nation looks like Detroit.
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What exactly is the point of this? What does sexual orientation have to do with historical accomplishments? He charged up San Juan hill with TR because he was gay? Pure nonsense, and is going to cost the tax payer an assload of money to print new text books.......
I don't know that they will print and replace all text books. Maybe new ones will have to include sexual orientation. I don't know why that really matters as far history goes though.
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I don't know that they will print and replace all text books. Maybe new ones will have to include sexual orientation. I don't know why that really matters as far history goes though.
It doesnt, and has only to do with pushing a freak show agenda supported by 3% of the population are have an inordinant amount of control of the commie party in control of cali, NY, IL, etc. .
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It doesn't bother me. Lots of bigger fish to fry.
I think however, the more awareness of homosexuality via education is good thing. But like I said, I dont know that putting a historical figures sexual orientation in a history book is really needed.
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It doesn't bother me. Lots of bigger fish to fry.
I think however, the more awareness of homosexuality via education is good thing. But like I said, I dont know that putting a historical figures sexual orientation in a history book is really needed.
OF COURSE IT DOESNT BOTHER YOU BRO! You support this bullshit and still are in abject denial as to why California is off the cliff. Rather than focusing on basics, no, lets focus on fags, diversity, social justice, blah blah blah.
And you wonder why kids are dumber than ever and businesses and sane taxpayers are fleeing Cali in droves?
Funny too - the common lib talking point is "oh if we only raised property taxes everything would be fine in california"
LMFAO. I always love that bogus excuse from the left.
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You think this is a focus why? ::)
Because it was a media story?
You are trying to tie in several other issues into this subject. Fucking stupid. Typical.
Deny deflect. That's all you are these days. No integrity.
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You think this is a focus why? ::)
Because it was a media story?
You are trying to tie in several other issues into this subject. Fucking stupid. Typical.
Deny deflect. That's all you are these days. No integrity.
Its all tied in.
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Its all tied in.
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stupid.
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the fact that they have been discriminated against and have been involved in civil rights legislation makes them a part of history that the people of California have decided their kids should learn about
who could possibly have a problem wanting their kids to learn about recent history
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the fact that they have been discriminated against and have been involved in civil rights legislation makes them a part of history that the people of California have decided their kids should learn about
who could possibly have a problem wanting their kids to learn about recent history
At the expense of not learning what?
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You support this bullshit and still are in abject denial as to why California is off the cliff. Rather than focusing on basics, no, lets focus on fags, diversity, social justice, blah blah blah.
another example of 33333 putting his foot in his mouth
Can you prove that's what the state assembly and governor have been focusing on since Jerry Brown took office?
No you can't, you just assume such because you are a tool.
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another example of 33333 putting his foot in his mouth
Can you prove that's what the state assembly and governor have been focusing on since Jerry Brown took office?
No you can't, you just assume such because you are a tool.
I'm talking about education focus
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I'm talking about education focus
Prove it.
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At the expense of not learning what?
who said it's at the expense of learning something else
why do you posit such either or nonsense ?
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who said it's at the expense of learning something else
why do you posit such either or nonsense ?
Very simple - unless you are going to extend the class year or school day, something has to come out of the course curriculum in order to put this in there.
The overpaid underworked teachers wont go for more hours or days, so something needs to come out of the lesson plan in order to include this correct?
So what comes out?
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Very simple - unless you are going to extend the class year or school day, something has to come out of the course curriculum in order to put this in there.
The overpaid underworked teachers wont go for more hours or days, so something needs to come out of the lesson plan in order to include this correct?
So what comes out?
whatever the people who make those choices want to come out
no one in high school is going to get a graduate school curriculum in US history
choices are made all the time
btw - is there really that much LGBT history that something major or even minor is going to have to be eliminated in order to make room
I doubt it
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stupid.
as fuck...
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I'm talking about education focus
Prove it
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Prove it
Prove what? If there are finite amount of minutes or classroom hours devoted to ss as it is, and now they have to include fag studies and other bs, it by definition comes at the expense of, or dilution of something else.
So what is it? George Washington defeating the English? the Civil War? tell me what historical events need to be diluted or taken away so that the kiddies can learn about twinks' contributions society like spread of AIDS, STD's, deviant behaviors, etc.
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the fact that they have been discriminated against and have been involved in civil rights legislation makes them a part of history that the people of California have decided their kids should learn about
who could possibly have a problem wanting their kids to learn about recent history
I don't, but they should learn about the founding of this country, the constitution and the things that formed this nation first. From what I have seen they teach little to none of that in the public education system.
Discrimination, well life's a bitch, people used to be slaves, the natives got herded on to reservations..........
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Prove what? If there are finite amount of minutes or classroom hours devoted to ss as it is, and now they have to include fag studies and other bs, it by definition comes at the expense of, or dilution of something else.
So what is it? George Washington defeating the English? the Civil War? tell me what historical events need to be diluted or taken away so that the kiddies can learn about twinks' contributions society like spread of AIDS, STD's, deviant behaviors, etc.
I didn't ask y to argue it.
Yu sated the focus on education is diverse lifestyles.
Prove it, or taste your foot again
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I don't, but they should learn about the founding of this country, the constitution and the things that formed this nation first. From what I have seen they teach little to none of that in the public education system.
Discrimination, well life's a bitch, people used to be slaves, the natives got herded on to reservations..........
how about the civils rights struggle of the 1960's
how about the 26th ammendment to the constitution
those have nothing to do with the founding of our country but some people might think they are relevent and worth teaching kids
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I didn't ask y to argue it.
Yu sated the focus on education is diverse lifestyles.
Prove it, or taste your foot again
I really don't give a fuck about "diverse lifestyles" nor should schools seeking to indoctrinate students into the commie fag agenda.
Math, science, reading, history - etc
Nothing else until those are dealt with.
The 100k a year finger paint teacher can fuck off for all i care.
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I really don't give a fuck about "diverse lifestyles" nor should schools seeking to indoctrinate students into the commie fag agenda.
Math, science, reading, history - etc
Nothing else until those are dealt with.
The 100k a year finger paint teacher can fuck off for all i care.
how is teaching factual history a commie fag agenda?
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how about the civils rights struggle of the 1960's
how about the 26th ammendment to the constitution
those have nothing to do with the founding of our country but some people might think they are relevent and worth teaching kids
Founding fathers and the constitution are far more important than the fact that some woman decided to sit in the back of the bus. sorry, I know many get all emotional over rosa parks, but really - sorry - 600k died in the civil war, the const and DOI are really anomolies in history, etc.
Sorry - its not about the sensitivities of gays, womne, blacks, etc, - its about reality of and magnitude of importance.
According to many of the far leftist communists, they like to place MLK, Rosa Parks, FDR's wife, Susan B. anthony, and other nonsense with the same import as the revolution, civil wal war, WW2, etc.
Pure fucking garbage and nonsense.
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Founding fathers and the constitution are far more important than the fact that some woman decided to sit in the back of the bus. sorry, I know many get all emotional over rosa parks, but really - sorry - 600k died in the civil war, the const and DOI are really anomolies in history, etc.
Sorry - its not about the sensitivities of gays, womne, blacks, etc, - its about reality of and magnitude of importance.
According to many of the far leftist communists, they like to place MLK, Rosa Parks, FDR's wife, Susan B. anthony, and other nonsense with the same import as the revolution, civil wal war, WW2, etc.
Pure fucking garbage and nonsense.
You sound like a slap dickhead...
dude Rosa parks sat on the front of the bus lead to the bus boycott which lead to the civil rights which lead to the one of the most important pieces of legislation in my country's history..dude pick up a book
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You sound like a slap dickhead...
dude Rosa parks sat on the front of the bus lead to the bus boycott which lead to the civil rights which lead to the one of the most important pieces of legislation in my country's history..dude pick up a book
all the more proof that 333 is truly a certified idiot
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When more people know who Rosa Parks was than can tell you what the 10 Bill of Rights Amendments were to the USC in order to ensure its adoption by the states, well, it is what it is. More people know that MLK gave a speech than what the 1st amend protects or the 4th.
What does that tell you?
We have a woefully ignorant and uneducated population who is consumed with superflous nonsense.
Yeah great - some gay twink spread AIDS to ten people and won a lawsuit to get health care coverage, but what was that thingy about right against unlawful search and seizure? LMFAO.
Seriously - california is the texbook example of societal collapse, rot, ignorance, and disturbingly misguided priorities.
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how about the civils rights struggle of the 1960's
how about the 26th ammendment to the constitution
those have nothing to do with the founding of our country but some people might think they are relevent and worth teaching kids
How about the founding of a nation the revolutionary war, the creation of the constitution..... I would think this would be relevent, no all these assclowns focus on is the history that makes America look bad, and skip anything that would make it look good. And we wonder why we have generation after generation that hates America.
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I really don't give a fuck about "diverse lifestyles" nor should schools seeking to indoctrinate students into the commie fag agenda.
Math, science, reading, history - etc
Nothing else until those are dealt with.
The 100k a year finger paint teacher can fuck off for all i care.
again,
PROVE IT
or STFU
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Prove what!
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Prove what!
::) ::) ::) ::)
Prove what you said or shut your pie hole.
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Well im not sure how you learned but this was the history progression i had from 7-12
7th-Ancient History (greeks, romans)/Middle ages
8th- US history Columbus-Revolutionary War/ Rev War-Reconstruction
9th- US History Reconstruction - Industrial/ Industrial-WWII
10th-World History WWII-Vietnam/Vietnam-Civil Rights
11th US history More indepth about the Founding Fathers and DOI
12th AP US HISTORY was from Plymouth Rock to Cold War
When more people know who Rosa Parks was than can tell you what the 10 Bill of Rights Amendments were to the USC in order to ensure its adoption by the states, well, it is what it is. More people know that MLK gave a speech than what the 1st amend protects or the 4th.
What does that tell you?
We have a woefully ignorant and uneducated population who is consumed with superflous nonsense.
Yeah great - some gay twink spread AIDS to ten people and won a lawsuit to get health care coverage, but what was that thingy about right against unlawful search and seizure? LMFAO.
Seriously - california is the texbook example of societal collapse, rot, ignorance, and disturbingly misguided priorities.
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California's education focuses on diverse lifestyles because 33333 said so.
::) ::) ::) ::)
You support this bullshit and still are in abject denial as to why California is off the cliff. Rather than focusing on basics, no, lets focus on fags, diversity, social justice, blah blah blah.
Of course he can't man up and prove it. All he can do is play stupid.
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All he can do is play stupid.
LOL!
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Yeah...again maybe we should delve into the contributions of Pacific Islanders as well. They've got to have as much contribution to this country as Harvey fucking Milk...are u friggen serious. Harvey Milk...the guy sucked off dudes in bath houses...all that will be skipped to show what a swell gay guy he was. Maybe while we're being honest we need to portray the poor plains indians for what they really were...tribes that migrated West and killed or enslaved the tribes that were already there. We can find alot of honesty...like how there were black battalions on the Confederate side....and all that slave shit was overblown as a reason. Teaching states rights to the lil uns would be dangerous to the lib agenda. U libs are destroying this country piece by piece.
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Yeah...again maybe we should delve into the contributions of Pacific Islanders as well. They've got to have as much contribution to this country as Harvey fucking Milk...are u friggen serious. Harvey Milk...the guy sucked off dudes in bath houses...all that will be skipped to show what a swell gay guy he was. Maybe while we're being honest we need to portray the poor plains indians for what they really were...tribes that migrated West and killed or enslaved the tribes that were already there. We can find alot of honesty...like how there were black battalions on the Confederate side....and all that slave shit was overblown as a reason. Teaching states rights to the lil uns would be dangerous to the lib agenda. U libs are destroying this country piece by piece.
They want to collapse the nation. There is no doubt in my mind. until the entire nation looks like Detroit or South Bronx, these far left pieces of fucking garbage will not be happy.
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The other thing to remember is that because of the size of california..school books printed there are adopted nation wide. So all u with kids...prepare to tell ur 3 year old what a gay bath house is. Oh an in the interest of historical fact explain how AIDs was primarily gay epidemic.
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The other thing to remember is that because of the size of california..school books printed there are adopted nation wide. So all u with kids...prepare to tell ur 3 year old what a gay bath house is. Oh an in the interest of historical fact explain how AIDs was primarily gay epidemic.
I'm sure the far left communist pukes are going be thrilled to tell their kids about Barney Franks' gay brothel run out of his apartment.
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Still waiting for you to prove your claim.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH
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why is it u lefties don't this as an issue. Do kids need to know about gay bath houses and immoral activity.
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why is it u lefties don't this as an issue. Do kids need to know about gay bath houses and immoral activity.
first off, that's not what is happening. what's happening is the text are supposed to include sexual orientation of historical figures. I don't know that is really needed and believe it over kill.
Second, Kids learn about all that stuff any way with or with out school.
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Harvey Milk has ZERO business being taught about in school...zero.
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Harvey Milk has ZERO business being taught about in school...zero.
Ehh, I think not. Nothing wrong with learning about someone who help champion gay rights.
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They want to collapse the nation. There is no doubt in my mind. until the entire nation looks like Detroit or South Bronx, these far left pieces of fucking garbage will not be happy.
And the right wants to do what, control what goes in the bedroom.. ::)
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And the right wants to do what, control what goes in the bedroom.. ::)
Proof?
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And the right wants to do what, control what goes in the bedroom.. ::)
Or bathroom... as long you tap toes first.
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Public schools in California will be required to teach students about the contributions of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender Americans starting Jan. 1 after Gov. Jerry Brown on Thursday signed a controversial bill to add the topic to the social sciences curriculum.
Textbooks now must include information on the role of LGBT Americans, as well as Americans with disabilities, though California's budget crisis has delayed the purchasing of new books until at least 2015.
Serious question: What significant historical contributions have bisexual and transgender Americans made?
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but ppl are against the teaching of contributions of christians to America...
seem fair to anybody???
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but ppl are against the teaching of contributions of christians to America...
seem fair to anybody???
All the idiots on the left must be scrambling to find a passage in a textbook, however small it is, that implies religious affiliation of any historical figure.
Good point. But, I am afraid it will be avoided by the liberal fags.
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Serious question: What significant historical contributions have bisexual and transgender Americans made?
LOL!
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LOL!
I know they come up with cool costumes in parades.
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I know they come up with cool costumes in parades.
And wardrobe that no sane human would wear in public.
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I think they should also make sure to include all the contributions to society by non LGBT. I also think we need special white history lessons to go along with all the special black history units. ::)
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Why do kids need to know if a certain historical figure is gay?
Are textbooks now going to point out all the other heterosexual historical figures? Are they going to have the words straight and gay in bold under their pictures or after their names? If that's the case, why not include their religious beliefs?
One more thing. Why is the Civil Rights movement of the 60s compared to the homos' struggle for acceptance of their sexual behavior? Fags are not a race.
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I think we should go a step further, and list historical figures fetishes...
Is Abe Lincoln going to be listed as bi?
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but ppl are against the teaching of contributions of christians to America...
seem fair to anybody???
I'm sure that Thomas Jefferson's christian beliefs and the fact he made up his own version of the bible ( by cutting out parts he disagreed with ) is going to be mentioned.
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Why do kids need to know if a certain historical figure is gay?
Are textbooks now going to point out all the other heterosexual historical figures? Are they going to have the words straight and gay in bold under their pictures or after their names? If that's the case, why not include their religious beliefs?
One more thing. Why is the Civil Rights movement of the 60s compared to the homos' struggle for acceptance of their sexual behavior? Fags are not a race.
but civil rights are for everyone.
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I'm sure that Thomas Jefferson's christian beliefs and the fact he made up his own version of the bible ( by cutting out parts he disagreed with ) is going to be mentioned.
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LOL dont remember that from history class...
this is whole glbt bs is more normalizing an abnormal behaviour
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Serious question: What significant historical contributions have bisexual and transgender Americans made?
Couldnt tell ya, they didn't teach that when I was in school.
I wonder if they will teach about J Edgar Hoover. ;D
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Couldnt tell ya, they didn't teach that when I was in school.
I wonder if they will teach about J Edgar Hoover. ;D
lol. Was he homosexual, bisexual, or a transvestite?
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lol. Was he homosexual, bisexual, or a transvestite?
Its suspected by many that he was a homosexual. Not that it matters, which is why i don't know this is such a good law.
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Its suspected by many that he was a homosexual. Not that it matters, which is why i don't know this is such a good law.
I think it's a terrible law.
I suspect that to the extent people who practiced the GLBT lifestyle made significant historical contributions, the vast majority were in the closet, so we won't know who the heck they were anyway.
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I think it's a terrible law.
I suspect that to the extent people who practiced the GLBT lifestyle made significant historical contributions, the vast majority were in the closet, so we won't know who the heck they were anyway.
lol true. And who the frack cares if they were or weren't?
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lol true. And who the frack cares if they were or weren't?
Right. I could care less.
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Right. I could care less.
then you;ll an "A" in the course ;D
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then you;ll an "A" in the course ;D
Yep. Although I think my gaydar is pretty good. (no homo) :)