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Right wing sources alleging MB suffers from migraines that leave her incapacitated for days at a time. And that she pops pills like candy to keep them in control. Daily Caller - right wing site - is the source.
She claims she is able to keep it under control.
Rove chimes in on FOX - says she needs to get her DOCTORS and MEDICAL RECORDS out there ASAP.
Ed Shultz calls this a non-story. T-Paw questioning whether bachmann is even fit for office "Candidates have to be able to do ALL of the job - ALL OF THE TIME!"
low blow by T-paw.
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This is really low and disgusting.
Fdr was in a wheel chair, JFK had awful back issues, Abe Lincoln depression, etc
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This is really low and disgusting.
Fdr was in a wheel chair, JFK had awful back issues, Abe Lincoln depression, etc
JFK lived on painkillers, right? totally not cool.
IMO, ANY candidate shuld give a FULL medical history. most important job on earth, our ass needs to be healthy. Tsongas lied and died during what would have been his term, right?
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This is really low and disgusting.
Fdr was in a wheel chair, JFK had awful back issues, Abe Lincoln depression, etc
I agree with 3333 here.
But I don't think the public would have been forgiving if they knew about FDR's wheel chair, or JFK's back problems, etc etc.
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I agree with 3333 here.
But I don't think the public would have been forgiving if they knew about FDR's wheel chair, or JFK's back problems, etc etc.
I for one don't like the hide the salami game played on us to where these people in high office are considered above regular human frailties etc.
Reagan dyed his hair et etc.
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I for one don't like the hide the salami game played on us to where these people in high office are considered above regular human frailties etc.
Reagan dyed his hair et etc.
I agree that politicians spend too much time on outward appearance as opposed to more substantive work
didn't Gore hire a professional to give him tips on what tie colors would most appeal to the voters? The examples are endless.
I find the whole thing a sham.
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IMO, any smart american would want to know as MUCH info as possible about the health of their candidates.
The stress of the job is intense - if a person has had 17 bouts with cancer or 9 heart attacks - that shit is ABSOLUTELY relevant!!!
When mccain kept "bumping his head" and coming up with all these weird bandages in the same spots he had cancer... well... that shit looked shady. The refusal to release his medical records - only letting a few reporters skim some hand-picked info... palin only putting out a 1-page letter from her doc... shit, we all would have loved to see a lung scan of obama, with all that smoking.
You can't get a MINIMUM salary slot in ANY pro sport without a full body physical. Yet you can be cancer ridden with any number of heart attacks, and be able to legally HIDE IT from the american people. Some lame shit right there.
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It is. How about a bald guy for once? Think about it. We have to go back to what - IKE, LBJ, for that?
How about a fat guy?
it's the American Idol POTUS now. It's like a beauty pageant.
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It is. How about a bald guy for once? Think about it. We have to go back to what - IKE, LBJ, for that?
How about a fat guy?
it's the American Idol POTUS now. It's like a beauty pageant.
better looking people get better jobs. that's a fact in any field.
Christie is a gross fatass and he'd beat the pants off a lean athletic obama.
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1-2 times a month, she's completely incapacitated? Yikes - taht's from a former staffer. And that's just the stress of being a congresswoman? You CANNOT attack the left-wing media on this story - it's a right-wing site with quotes from a republican staffer that worked for her. And she took it seriously enough to deny it today. Can't blame the left here...
Bachmann Headaches Left Her "Unable to Function"
A former staffer to Rep. Michele Bachmann tells ABC News he believes her migraine headaches "have been a persistent and vexing problem for years, often forcing the congresswoman to cancel meetings, shut her office, turn off the lights and lie down until they pass."
Said the insider: "You're probably talking once every two to four weeks... They would come on in a matter of minutes. She would be down on her couch with the lights off and unable to function."
Karl Rove to Fox News: "It's evidence of what happens when you jump up into the top ring of these polls, and the kind of scrutiny that you get. It's going to be important for her to get her doctors out there quickly to provide medical records and to provide the reassurance that people are going to want to have that this is not a serious issue."
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2011/07/20/bachmann_h...
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I for one get weary of the all too perfect looking person, especially in business. I will trust that war torn, battle tested and scarred battle-ax any day over the pretty newbie.
sort of like that show "everyone loves Raymond". The mother was BATTLE TESTED. that's what I want, someone w some war wounds and scars etc.
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I for one get weary of the all too perfect looking person, especially in business. I will trust that war torn, battle tested and scarred battle-ax any day over the pretty newbie.
sort of like that show "everyone loves Raymond". The mother was BATTLE TESTED. that's what I want, someone w some war wounds and scars etc.
i don't care what they look like. Just do the damn job and cut spending without handing the world to the rich, who have enjoyed Bush tax cuts for a decade and STILL sent everything overseas.
IF IF IF bachmann has a history of hospital stays for migraines...
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Woman raises 5 kids of her own, 23 foster kids, is a lawyer, is in congress, has a tremendous schedule, has never missed a beat in office, and we are supposed to believe this ex staffer? Fucking please.
How about the people wo a fraction of her load who don't have headaches and still can't function ? Hh mm?
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i don't care what they look like. Just do the damn job and cut spending without handing the world to the rich, who have enjoyed Bush tax cuts for a decade and STILL sent everything overseas.
IF IF IF bachmann has a history of hospital stays for migraines...
Well considering Bama never released his records wedont know the extend of his smoking habit, coke abuse, etc.
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Woman raises 5 kids of her own, 23 foster kids, is a lawyer, is in congress, has a tremendous schedule, has never missed a beat in office, and we are supposed to believe this ex staffer? Fucking please.
She's never missed a beat? I guess we'll see.
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Well considering Bama never released his records wedont know the extend of his smoking habit, coke abuse, etc.
i've already criticized obama for not releasing the lung scan, thanks to his smoking.
IMO, it should be atomatically MRI on ANY candidate who wants office. Shit, you want to run the world and you don't want to tell us if you're healthy? WTF?
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Bachmann Finds Link Between Migraines & High-Heels
As news of Rep. Michele Bachmann's severe migraines hit the headlines this week, The Daily Caller website reported that the Minnesota Republican has -- to her staff -- "implausibly blamed the headaches on uncomfortable high-heel shoes."
So, can wearing high-heels trigger debilitating migraines?
Dr. Lucas Bachmann, a medical resident at University of Connecticut and the congresswoman's son, told the New York Times that his mother had noticed a connection between the headaches and her wearing high-heel shoes.
"Different things do trigger migraines, and it's not easy to automatically discount that," said Dr. Joel Saper, founder and director of the Michigan Headache and Neurological Institute in Ann Arbor. "But it could be more likely that she wears heels at times when she has a particularly important or busy encounter that may cause stress."
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Does anyone really care if she gets headaches ???
I made fun of the fact she is anti-gay and her husbond who run the anti-gay clinic is in serious denial about his sexuality
I also feel sorry for Michelle Bachmann and attractive woman who has to go to bed everynight knowing her husbonds swings the wrong way.
However does that mean she will make a bad president? hell no!!
Lets stick to the issues people
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This is a smear job by rove and romney people.
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This is a smear job by rove and romney people.
LOL @ Ed Shultz and 333386 in complete agreement!
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LOL @ Ed Shultz and 333386 in complete agreement!
No, its the reality of the situation.
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Bush League.
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Bush League.
his whisper campaign/secret baby attacks on mccain do come to mind. great point.
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his whisper campaign/secret baby attacks on mccain do come to mind. great point.
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I wonder if she talks with god about her migraines ;D
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Nice to make fun of a medical condition.
How liberal of you.
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Nice to make fun of a medical condition.
How liberal of you.
As if you never started threads with petty attacks. ::)
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I never stated I don't. I personally enjoy waging petty attacks on the likes of maobama and mosquatch. Any chance I can get those two in the balls count on me to go for it every time w glee.
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I never stated I don't. I personally enjoy waging petty attacks on the likes of maobama and mosquatch. Any chance I can get those two in the balls count on me to go for it every time w glee.
I don't really care about MB. I don't see her going far and think she will become irrelevant. But I have no problem poking fun of her migraines and her conversations with god.
The repubs need a moderate guy. No more experiments, 1st time in history etc.
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Nice to make fun of a medical condition.
How liberal of you.
Weird that the libs (such as ed shultz) are defending bachmann -
While "republicans" like T-Paw and Rove are attacking her ass for it ;)
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Nice to make fun of a medical condition.
How liberal of you.
You seem to think the first lady's chronic obesity or obama's drug addiction are lauughing matters.
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Obesity is a choice.
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She ain't all that fat and she certainly doesn't represent the obesity problem in america like Kansas does. Or upper state new York for that matter. I was at an amusement park by lake George a few back and it was a lot like deliverance combined with an incest convention.
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I wonder if she talks with god about her migraines ;D
Probably. :)
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Probably. :)
I wonder what he says back. :)
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Sad...we don't attack Obama for his mental retardation.
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I wonder what he says back. :)
Probably "take a pill." :)
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Probably "take a pill." :)
[/quotpills don't normally work. :(
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Probably "take a pill." :)
[/quotpills don't normally work. :(
Depends on the pill.
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I donno, i have 2 friends who have been plagued by migraines for years. Short of knocking yourself out there is nothing else to do.
I think "God's" answer is really her answer which doesn't always work.
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I donno, i have 2 friends who have been plagued by migraines for years. Short of knocking yourself out there is nothing else to do.
I think "God's" answer is really her answer which doesn't always work.
I think God's answer is do whatever you can to figure out the triggers and take whatever measures you can to treat them when they do happen.
I'm sure Bachmann praying about them, just like Obama is having conversations with God about the debt issue. :) http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=141152.150
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Oh I am sure he is. Do you think he means it the same way as bachmann?
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Oh I am sure he is. Do you think he means it the same way as bachmann?
Sure. What Bachmann says about her faith and conversations with God is pretty much a universal Christian practice. That's probably why her comments are getting much play in the MSM. They aren't controversial at all.
Do you honestly see a difference between what she said and Obama asking God to help him solve the debt crisis?
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Sounds like "God" made a faulty product to me.
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Sure. What Bachmann says about her faith and conversations with God is pretty much a universal Christian practice. That's probably why her comments are getting much play in the MSM. They aren't controversial at all.
Do you honestly see a difference between what she said and Obama asking God to help him solve the debt crisis?
Do you think God is answering OB? You think God is saying, yes to the stimulus and Obama care?
I agree what bachmann said was no big deal. Just for me, I wouldn't vote for her. It wouldn't be the only reason. But one of them.
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Do you think God is answering OB? You think God is saying, yes to the stimulus and Obama care?
I agree what bachmann said was no big deal. Just for me, I wouldn't vote for her. It wouldn't be the only reason. But one of them.
Thank you for four more years of depression and bizarro world economic policies all cause you can't get over that people pray to god and seek guidance.
Nice.
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Thank you for four more years of depression and bizarro world economic policies all cause you can't get over that people pray to god and seek guidance.
Nice.
Thank you for being such an over assuming tool.
33333, try and keep up or at the vey least keep things with in context.
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Thank you for being such an over assuming tool.
33333, try and keep up or at the vey least keep things with in context.
If it's bachmann v Obama you have made your mind up, 4 more years of treason, depression, collapse, etc.
It is what it is.
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If it's bachmann v Obama you have made your mind up, 4 more years of treason, depression, collapse, etc.
It is what it is.
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It won't be. Just like it won't be Palin and it won't be Trump. I like to live in the real world.
Have a tomato beer, you will feel better
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It won't be. Just like it won't be Palin and it won't be Trump. I like to live in the real world.
Have a tomato beer, you will feel better
Where was mclame at this point?
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Michele Bachmann leaves a news conference in Washington earlier this month. (Getty Images)
By Jeff Jacoby
Globe Columnist / July 24, 2011
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WHEN THE Daily Caller, a news site based in Washington, D.C., reported last week that Michele Bachmann gets migraine headaches, it labored to give the impression that it was breaking an important story.
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“Stress-related condition ‘incapacitates’ Bachmann; heavy pill use alleged,’’ the foreboding headline read. (Cue the grim background music.) The article, by Jonathan Strong, depicted a woman who crumples in the face of stress, reacting to the normal aggravations of political life - a staffer’s resignation, a missed flight - with “medical episodes’’ that leave her “incapacitated’’ for days at a time. To cope, she “takes all sorts of pills. Prevention pills. Pills during the migraine. Pills wherever she goes.’’ These “debilitating’’ migraines “occur once a week on average,’’ and at least three times have landed Bachmann in the hospital. Her staff must “constantly’’ consult with doctors to “tweak’’ their boss’s medication.
Bottom line? “Some close to Bachmann fear she won’t be equal to the stress of the campaign.’’ And some former aides “are terrified’’ by the thought of a migraine-prone President Bachmann.
All very melodramatic. But a few things were missing from Strong’s account. Like the nature of all those “pills’’ that Bachmann supposedly takes - addictive narcotics, or something more innocuous? And the identity of any of the unnamed “former aides’’ whose allegations the story recycles - which candidates, if any, are they working for now? Missing too was any evidence that a migraine condition is incompatible with the pressures of the presidency or any other high-powered position.
That’s because no such evidence exists.
The health of presidential candidates is of course a legitimate news topic. That’s especially true since, to quote the historian Robert Dallek, “concealing one’s true medical condition from the voting public is a time-honored tradition of the American presidency.’’
Gone are the days when a presidential candidate with severe medical problems could brazenly claim to be in excellent health and expect to get away with it. During and after the 1960 campaign, John F. Kennedy - who suffered from Addison’s disease, colitis, urinary tract infections, and the near-crippling pain of degenerative back problems - took an astonishing array of medications, including steroids, painkillers, antibiotics, and anti-spasmodics. Yet with the help of a friendly press, the Kennedy machine easily downplayed JFK’s afflictions; one New York Times article described him as being in “superb physical condition.’’
Neither Bachmann nor any other 2012 candidate would get that kind of pass today. But no candidate should be subjected to anonymous media rumormongering about her health, either.
Migraine headaches are a uniquely painful misery, as I can attest from long personal experience, but they are not a stroke or heart disease or polio or Alzheimer’s. At their worst, migraine attacks can involve throbbing head pain, blind spots and other visual abnormalities, intense nausea, chills, and tears streaming from one eye. “That no one dies of migraine,’’ Joan Didion wrote in a famous essay, “seems, to someone deep into an attack, an ambiguous blessing.’’ Such attacks terrified me when I was young; I vividly remember wondering, as an 11- or 12-year-old, if I was dying of brain cancer. Not until I was in college did I learn I wasn’t the only one to experience those agonies.
More than 35 million Americans suffer from migraines; many, Bachmann included, control their symptoms with medication. Far from popping “pills wherever she goes,’’ however, she takes medicine only when she has an attack. According to Congress’s attending physician, Bachmann’s migraines “occur infrequently’’ and are helped by sumatriptan, a standard drug for relieving the dilation of blood vessels that causes migraine pain, and ondansetron, an anti-nausea drug.
In my case, age, not medicine, seems to have been the best therapy; when my odometer passed 40, the migraine attacks started growing less severe. But even before then, migraine wasn’t a paralyzing disability. The headaches hurt like hell, but they didn’t keep me from getting an education or holding a job. I don’t recommend giving a speech or going on TV while having a migraine, but I’ve managed to do both. I imagine Bachmann has, too. Her migraines plainly haven’t kept her from an impressive rise in national politics, or from setting the GOP primary field on fire. If she were “incapacitated’’ on a weekly basis, it’s unlikely she’d have come so far, so fast.
So is it news that a would-be president once complained of migraine attacks that were “paroxysms of excruciating pain’’ - headaches that “came on every day at sunrise and never left me till sunset’’? No - not unless it’s news that Thomas Jefferson, who wrote those words, suffered migraines. Ulysses Grant did, too.
I don’t know if Michele Bachmann can become the next president. But I do know this: She wouldn’t be the first one to live with migraine headaches.
Jeff Jacoby can be reached at jacoby@globe.com. Follow him on Twitter @Jeff_Jacoby.
© Copyright 2011 Globe Newspaper Company.
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2011/07/24/a_president_with_migraines_ask_thomas_jefferson
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T-Paw's staff is now saying Bachmann can't win nationally.
He's tearing her up on a daily basis.
is there ANY doubt in people's minds that he's running for Mitt's veep now, and just serving as an attack dog to try to pull a few right-wing votes from bachmann?
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T paw is a joke. Nice guy, but a clown.
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T paw is a joke. Nice guy, but a clown.
BUT he is a safe pick for mittens.
he'll toe the company line and do whatever he's told. I bet after that "obamneycare" comment, mitt called him and made him a nice sweet little offer. You be sweet on me and attack bachmann nonstop. I'll give you special consideration when I pick my veep.
TPaw knows he ain't gonna beat mitt, but he would love to be veep. it's just like huck did in 2008- he tore up mitt enough to give mccain the nomination.
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BUT he is a safe pick for mittens.
he'll toe the company line and do whatever he's told. I bet after that "obamneycare" comment, mitt called him and made him a nice sweet little offer. You be sweet on me and attack bachmann nonstop. I'll give you special consideration when I pick my veep.
TPaw knows he ain't gonna beat mitt, but he would love to be veep. it's just like huck did in 2008- he tore up mitt enough to give mccain the nomination.
Rubio is going be veep.
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Rubio is going be veep.
I dunno... his experience is actually less than obama had in 2008. He has to be ready to be President.
IMO, they go with someone with military experience or huge governing credentials.
What has Rubio done, other than object to Brewer's bill in AZ?
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Do you think God is answering OB? You think God is saying, yes to the stimulus and Obama care?
I agree what bachmann said was no big deal. Just for me, I wouldn't vote for her. It wouldn't be the only reason. But one of them.
I have no idea what God saying to Obama. Hopefully, he's telling him to quit his day job next year.
Unless you're sitting out the election, whomever you vote for will have the same faith views as Bachmann.
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I have no idea what God saying to Obama. Hopefully, he's telling him to quit his day job next year.
Unless you're sitting out the election, whomever you vote for will have the same faith views as Bachmann.
Don't agree, there are many distinctions and degrees of faith and how people believe that faith is manifested.
For example, the belief that the pope or papcy is the anti Christ.
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Don't agree, there are many distinctions and degrees of faith and how people believe that faith is manifested.
For example, the belief that the pope or papcy is the anti Christ.
uuuggghhh - did she say she believed that?
She said "She loved Catholics"
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uuuggghhh - did she say she believed that?
She said "She loved Catholics"
Not saying she did or didn't. According to 240 the church she goes to believes that and according to McWay many churches believe that. The point is, how many denominations are there? And how many different levels of belief are there? to say Christians have the same faith is too broad of a brush. The main similarity is the belief that Jesus is lord and died for our sins on the cross and if we accept him we are saved. If thats the case there should only be one denomination. Saying all Christians believe they have conversations with god on subjects like boyfriends and head ache pills is incorrect. Faith is defined differently for many different people.
To me she's no different than the next guy who says "god" told me to make dancing illegal. I don't want a person who thinks god is talking and converesating to them in a position of extreme power. I don't mind a president that practices the Christian religion, but one that says god told him to be a tax lawyer and told him who to marry and stands up in a church and preaches about it...? No fucking way.
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Not saying she did or didn't. According to 240 the church she goes to believes that and according to McWay many churches believe that. The point is, how many denominations are there? And how many different levels of belief are there? to say Christians have the same faith is too broad of a brush. The main similarity is the belief that Jesus is lord and died for our sins on the cross and if we accept him we are saved. If thats the case there should only be one denomination. Saying all Christians believe they have conversations with god on subjects like boyfriends and head ache pills is incorrect. Faith is defined differently for many different people.
To me she's no different than the next guy who says "god" told me to make dancing illegal. I don't want a person who thinks god is talking and converesating to them in a position of extreme power. I don't mind a president that practices the Christian religion, but one that says god told him to be a tax lawyer and told him who to marry and stands up in a church and preaches about it...? No fucking way.
Obama sat in wrights church for 20 years - does that make Obama a 911 CT'er?
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Obama sat in wrights church for 20 years - does that make Obama a 911 CT'er?
What are you trying to say? Are you trying to insinuate that I believe she believes the pope is the anti-Christ based on Wright and Obama? it's an easy assumption but not proven on both counts. So I hope this isnt some lame tactic you typically use in these type of things where you commonly bring up OB out of no where.
I don't know if she believes that. I am only using that example to outline the different beliefs in Christian churches and people.
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On a related note
She mentioned she didnt want to be a tax attorney but did so because her husband wanted her too, and as written in the bible you shall obey your husband.
Does that mean if she gets elected its really her husband we elect?
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Like I said, show me where Reagan, Clinton etc got up in a church and talked about how god told them to go into politics, who to marry, etc.. if they did I am wrong and wouldn't vote for them.
Calling it a double standard is asinine. But what ever. ::). It only shows that the libs don't have the market cornered on dumb arguments.
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On a related note
She mentioned she didnt want to be a tax attorney but did so because her husband wanted her too, and as written in the bible you shall obey your husband.
Does that mean if she gets elected its really her husband we elect?
No Honey, fuck that, you will declare war on Canada and you will make it the 51st state! We will not lose a gold medal in hockey ever again! Don't make bring out the Bible and show you where says you will submit to me! By the way, I don't care if you are the leader of the free world, go make me a sandwich and get me a beer.
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No Honey, fuck that, you will declare war on Canada and you will make it the 51st state! We will not lose a gold medal in hockey ever again! Don't make bring out the Bible and show you where says you will submit to me! By the way, I don't care if you are the leader of the free world, go make me a sandwich and get me a beer.
;D
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Michele Bachmann Comes Out Swinging
MyFox Dallas-Fort Worth ^ | July 24, 2011
Michele Bachmann Comes Out Swinging
Published : Sunday, 24 Jul 2011, 3:55 PM CDT
(NewsCore) - WASHINGTON -- Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann came out swinging against Tim Pawlenty on Sunday, in a sign that the former Minnesota governor's presidential campaign may be seen as a growing threat despite his lackluster standing in the polls.
In a statement released by her campaign Sunday, Bachmann slammed Pawlenty's positions and defended her own track record in Congress.
"Executive experience is not an asset if it simply means bigger and more intrusive government," she said.
In an interview with NBC's "Meet the Press" earlier this month, Pawlenty had described Bachmann's congressional record as "non-existent."
"We're not looking for folks who just have speech capabilities. We're looking for people who can lead a large enterprise in a public setting ... I've done that, she hasn't," he said during that interview.
Bachmann had responded by defending her "consistent, proven track record" during campaign appearances, but her statement on Sunday was a more forceful attack.
"Governor Pawlenty said in 2006, 'The era of small government is over ... the government has to be more proactive and more aggressive,'" the statement said. "That's the same philosophy that, under President [Barack] Obama, has brought us record deficits, massive unemployment, and an unconstitutional health care plan."
She then went on to attack the former governor's positions on health care reform, government spending, cap-and-trade and TARP, while she touted her own experience in Congress and as a leader of the Tea Party.
"That's my record. It's a record of action," she wrote. "Real world actions speak louder than the words of career politicians."
After Bachmann released her statement, Pawlenty spokesman Nick Ayers posted a dismissive response on Twitter. "Glad an opponent engaged today," he wrote. "Even better ... she used a bunch of weak/incorrect oppo [opposition research]. We'll be back in [Iowa] to address tomorrow."
Bachmann and Pawlenty are among nine Republican presidential candidates competing in the closely-watched Ames Straw Poll in Iowa next month.
Pawlenty has been devoting significant time and money to Iowa, although polls have continued to show him lagging behind other candidates. A Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll released last week showed Bachmann in second place among Republican primary voters -- with 16 percent support behind former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney.
Pawlenty trailed in that poll, with just two percent.
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"Governor Pawlenty said in 2006, 'The era of small government is over ... the government has to be more proactive and more aggressive,'" the statement said. "That's the same philosophy that, under President [Barack] Obama, has brought us record deficits, massive unemployment, and an unconstitutional health care plan."
:) Haha nice one by Bachmann
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(NewsCore) - WASHINGTON -- Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann came out swinging against Tim Pawlenty on Sunday, in a sign that the former Minnesota governor's presidential campaign may be seen as a growing threat despite his lackluster standing in the polls.
mistake on her part.
You don't "swing down".
she's falling RIGHT into what I beleive is a lpan to get her/tpaw in a mudslinging match while mitt stays quiet and looks presidential. He'll slide on into the nomination like Mccain did in 2008... staying quiet while mitt and rudy yelled liberal at each other.
Tpaw is the attack dog trying to get the veep slot - and bachmann is falling for it. Her only response should be a laugh and "the guy is polling 2%...he's a joke".
The constant denials of everything tpaw says makes voters put them on the same level. Shame.
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Don't agree, there are many distinctions and degrees of faith and how people believe that faith is manifested.
For example, the belief that the pope or papcy is the anti Christ.
Not when it comes to anyone currently running for president, or the man currently in the White House. They all have conversations with God. They all seek guidance from the "Holy Spirit." I gave you numerous examples of Obama asking God and the Holy Spirit to tell him what to do. There is no difference between what Obama has claimed to believe and what Bachmann has said about her faith.
The pope stuff doesn't involve anything that Bachmann said, but as McWay pointed out, that isn't a new or novel belief. Numerous protestant churches have taught the same thing.
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The pope stuff doesn't involve anything that Bachmann said
If Obama attended a neonazi satanic cult church for 8 years and never said a word, I doubt getbiggers would be saying it was irrelevant because he never spoke there. He showed up for 400 sundays...
bachmann attended a church that believed the pope is the anti-christ. For 8 years.
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If Obama attended a neonazi satanic cult church for 8 years and never said a word, I doubt getbiggers would be saying it was irrelevant because he never spoke there. He showed up for 400 sundays...
bachmann attended a church that believed the pope is the anti-christ. For 8 years.
Who cares? Other than a handful of liberal lackeys?
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Who cares? Other than a handful of liberal lackeys?
Those looking for any excuse to vote for obama care about it.
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Those looking for any excuse to vote for obama care about it.
And those looking for an excuse to attack Bachmann.
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Who cares? Other than a handful of liberal lackeys?
Who cared about obama's church?
Oh yeah, 100% of FOX viewers ;)
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Not when it comes to anyone currently running for president, or the man currently in the White House. They all have conversations with God. They all seek guidance from the "Holy Spirit." I gave you numerous examples of Obama asking God and the Holy Spirit to tell him what to do. There is no difference between what Obama has claimed to believe and what Bachmann has said about her faith.
The pope stuff doesn't involve anything that Bachmann said, but as McWay pointed out, that isn't a new or novel belief. Numerous protestant churches have taught the same thing.
Guidance from the holy spirit and having a conversation with god over who to marry whilst you first meet them and then preaching about it to a group in a church is far and away 2 different things.
As I said elsewhere, show me Clinton, Bush Sr. or Reagan, all of whom I voted for standing up in a church preffing to having conversations with god and god tellng them to go into acting, marry that person, or Get degree in whatever and then I will rejoice my vote for them.
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Bush2 didn't consult his sec of defense before making the decision to invade iraq.
he did, however, talk to God about it.
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Guidance from the holy spirit and having a conversation with god over who to marry whilst you first meet them and then preaching about it to a group in a church is far and away 2 different things.
As I said elsewhere, show me Clinton, Bush Sr. or Reagan, all of whom I voted for standing up in a church preffing to having conversations with god and god tellng them to go into acting, marry that person, or Get degree in whatever and then I will rejoice my vote for them.
There is no difference Ozmo. In both instances, the person is asking the invisible man in the sky to help them make decisions.
I don't know if there are examples of any other president giving "testimonies" in church, but that's the place it should be done. I'd much rather see a candidate preach about their faith in church as opposed to the campaign trail.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're saying you have more trouble over the fact she talked about her faith in a church as opposed to some secular venue? I don't really understand that.
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There is no difference Ozmo. In both instances, the person is asking the invisible man in the sky to help them make decisions.
I don't know if there are examples of any other president giving "testimonies" in church, but that's the place it should be done. I'd much rather see a candidate preach about their faith in church as opposed to the campaign trail.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're saying you have more trouble over the fact she talked about her faith in a church as opposed to some secular venue? I don't really understand that.
Inspiration and guidance through prayer is a different thing to me than having a conversation and getting answers in such things as "go marry this guy you just met"
I have trouble with someone who would give testimony in church the way she did. It spoke more of vanity than anything else to me. It also was troubling that she believes that she's having conversations with God on such subjects. I wouldn't vote for her because of it, but don't mistake that for me thinking its wrong. I don't. However, i do think it potentially leads to self righteousness and the arrogance of believing you are on some sort of ordained mission from god.
I've learned as i am sure you have that what's said on the campaign trail shouldn't always be taken so seriously. So when a politician talks about inspirational guidance, i don't really listen too much because most of them are in the say anything mode.
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Anyone voting on anything other than the economy in 2012 is a fucking moron not worthy or deserving of a vote.
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Inspiration and guidance through prayer is a different thing to me than having a conversation and getting answers in such things as "go marry this guy you just met"
I have trouble with someone who would give testimony in church the way she did. It spoke more of vanity than anything else to me. It also was troubling that she believes that she's having conversations with God on such subjects. I wouldn't vote for her because of it, but don't mistake that for me thinking its wrong. I don't. However, i do think it potentially leads to self righteousness and the arrogance of believing you are on some sort of ordained mission from god.
I've learned as i am sure you have that what's said on the campaign trail shouldn't always be taken so seriously. So when a politician talks about inspirational guidance, i don't really listen too much because most of them are in the say anything mode.
Inspiration and guidance through prayer is what Bachmann did/does. It's like the Ron Paul statement I posted (either in this thread or another one) where he said he seeks God's/the Holy Spirit's guidance in everything he does. Hillary said the same thing. If you step back and compare what they have said, it's exactly the same. But I think we'll have to agree to disagree in that regard.
You think her comments show vanity? They actually show humility IMO. What she was saying is she wasn't going to do solely what she wanted, but wanted to follow God's plan for her. That's the antithesis of vanity or selfishness. It's classic Christian-speak. I think that's largely why this doesn't bother me. That's how Christians talk, especially in church.
I do agree with you that you have to take whatever most of these politicians says with a gain of salt. I like Bachmann, but I'm not for an instant saying she isn't like most politicians who say what they need to say to get elected. The only difference here is she engaged in church-speak, in a church, most likely after being invited to do so.
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Inspiration and guidance through prayer is what Bachmann did/does. It's like the Ron Paul statement I posted (either in this thread or another one) where he said he seeks God's/the Holy Spirit's guidance in everything he does. Hillary said the same thing. If you step back and compare what they have said, it's exactly the same. But I think we'll have to agree to disagree in that regard.
You think her comments show vanity? They actually show humility IMO. What she was saying is she wasn't going to do solely what she wanted, but wanted to follow God's plan for her. That's the antithesis of vanity or selfishness. It's classic Christian-speak. I think that's largely why this doesn't bother me. That's how Christians talk, especially in church.
I do agree with you that you have to take whatever most of these politicians says with a gain of salt. I like Bachmann, but I'm not for an instant saying she isn't like most politicians who say what they need to say to get elected. The only difference here is she engaged in church-speak, in a church, most likely after being invited to do so.
Like i have said over and over, show me where those people did the same thing MB did. Show them in a church preaching about how they talked with God and God told them who to marry or something similar.
If she was showing humility she would have kept her experiences private or more on a one on one matter for a purpose of counsel. Instead she made a vane spectacle of it on multiple occasions.