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Title: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: tbombz on August 01, 2011, 07:01:58 PM

kuclo had tighter hams/glutes, and a little bigger shoulders, but the guy to his right smokes him on everything else, and destroys him in aesthetics.



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Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: tbombz on August 01, 2011, 07:03:02 PM
front double bicep is the most important pose in bodybuilding and kuclo is getting raped in it
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: Stavios on August 01, 2011, 07:03:30 PM
close call and angle favor the negro
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: NaturalWonder83 on August 01, 2011, 07:03:47 PM
agreed candizzle
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: Howard on August 01, 2011, 07:20:57 PM
Iv'e been an active judge for almost 20 yrs and can tell you that Kulco at this yrs  USA is the clear winner.
He had by far the best combination of size, shape and muscularity, etc.
This one wasn't that close.
Everyone is welcome to their opinion, but , if you can't see him as the clear winner, you don't know much about they way a contest should be judged.
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: quadzilla456 on August 01, 2011, 07:24:58 PM
He thinks the negro won because he is a negro. Kind of the same way negros will always vote for a negro politician, regardless of there qualifications.
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: dr.chimps on August 01, 2011, 07:26:26 PM
Iv'e been an active judge for almost 20 yrs and can tell you that Kulco at this yrs  USA is the clear winner.
He had by far the best combination of size, shape and muscularity, etc.
This one wasn't that close.
Everyone is welcome to their opinion, but , if you can't see him as the clear winner, you don't know much about they way a contest should be judged.
Given all the creepy stuff you've posted up over the years, are you sure you wanna hype yourself as some avatar of objectivity!?    ::)
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: Howard on August 01, 2011, 07:27:04 PM
He thinks the negro won because he is a negro. Kind of the same way negros will always vote for a negro politician, regardless of there qualifications.
All I will say again, is that Kulco was the best guy on stage at the USA, a easy winner.
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: b-boy on August 01, 2011, 07:27:46 PM
how many negro's do you know named juan?  surely you guys aren't that fucking stupid?
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: Howard on August 01, 2011, 07:29:17 PM
Given all the creepy stuff you've posted up over the years, are you sure you wanna hype yourself as some avatar of objectivity!?    ::)
Like many here I have posted some goofy, silly crap over the years. No question about that.
BUt when it comes to judging an actual contest , I take that serious and do so in a fair, objective manner.
Most stuff on getbig is hardly something I think about in real life.
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: tbombz on August 01, 2011, 07:29:54 PM
how many negro's do you know named juan?  surely you guys aren't that fucking stupid?
  ;D




juan has better symetry and aesthetics, more quad sweep, better abs, better lats, better triceps..
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: Stavios on August 01, 2011, 07:30:01 PM
how many negro's do you know named juan?  surely you guys aren't that fucking stupid?

lmao it's getbig bro we know he is dominican or whatever

 ;D
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: BikiniSlut on August 01, 2011, 07:32:34 PM
Iv'e been an active judge for almost 20 yrs and can tell you that Kulco at this yrs  USA is the clear winner.
He had by far the best combination of size, shape and muscularity, etc.
This one wasn't that close.
Everyone is welcome to their opinion, but , if you can't see him as the clear winner, you don't know much about they way a contest should be judged.

So are you saying the pictures lie? And that you had to be there in person. Because he isn't the "clear" winner in the pictures.
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: b-boy on August 01, 2011, 07:43:49 PM
lmao it's getbig bro we know he is dominican or whatever

 ;D
yea but us "negro's" just don't claim anybody!! LOL  ;D
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: Stavios on August 01, 2011, 07:47:16 PM
yea but us "negro's" just don't claim anybody!! LOL  ;D

LMAO !!!
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: apply85 on August 01, 2011, 07:48:37 PM
Kuclo has the best legs, looks the best from behind except his lower back... his lats dont look so good from the front, but he's still the best imo
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: jaejonna on August 01, 2011, 07:55:30 PM
Juan is Dominican , I know his gf. He is good ppl but needs to be a little more drier , other than that he is genetically more gifted that Kulco
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: Vince B on August 01, 2011, 07:56:24 PM
Juan looks very good. I sure wish they would abandon that bullshit of awarding pro cards. This guy obviously was a top contender at the contest show.

Photos from Flex Magazine online taken by Bill Comstock.
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: Chick on August 01, 2011, 08:05:55 PM
Never ceases to amaze me, just how little people on this site know about how to assess a physique....

Kucklo beats him without question...solid 1-2

Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: Stavios on August 01, 2011, 08:08:06 PM
Never ceases to amaze me, just how little people on this site know about how to assess a physique....

Kucklo beats him without question...solid 1-2



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Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: michael arvilla on August 01, 2011, 08:26:09 PM
I agree steve won (rightfully so/but Juan looked good as well)
bodybuilding is a subjective sport (it's someones opinion of you) you might think Will Harris was 4th place material and i might think he was 1st or 2nd ...whos right?
judging is a tough thankless job imo ....someones always upset at their placing
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: The_Leafy_Bug on August 01, 2011, 08:31:27 PM
kuclo had tighter hams/glutes, and a little bigger shoulders, but the guy to his right smokes him on everything else, and destroys him in aesthetics.



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Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: Chick on August 01, 2011, 08:31:58 PM
I agree steve won (rightfully so/but Juan looked good as well)
bodybuilding is a subjective sport (it's someones opinion of you) you might think Will Harris was 4th place material and i might think he was 1st or 2nd ...whos right?
judging is a tough thankless job imo ....someones always upset at their placing

Subjectivity only goes so far...then its a matter of knowing what youre talking about, or having an eye for the subject matter...

No one is saying Juan wasnt good, or that he was "blown away", etc...but anyone who knows physiques, would have no problem picking them 1-2 in Kucklo's favor...
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: chaos on August 01, 2011, 08:36:04 PM
how many negro's do you know named juan?  surely you guys aren't that fucking stupid?
Don't call me Shirely. >:(

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Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: Howard on August 01, 2011, 09:38:21 PM
Never ceases to amaze me, just how little people on this site know about how to assess a physique....

Kucklo beats him without question...solid 1-2


Same thing happens every time I go to any pro sporting event.
Most fans act like the umpire or ref is blind on most calls that go against their team.
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: OTHstrong on August 01, 2011, 09:43:12 PM
I don't know what the rest of you are seeing but Kuclo won by far, not even close
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: Howard on August 01, 2011, 09:44:24 PM
I agree steve won (rightfully so/but Juan looked good as well)
bodybuilding is a subjective sport (it's someones opinion of you) you might think Will Harris was 4th place material and i might think he was 1st or 2nd ...whos right?
judging is a tough thankless job imo ....someones always upset at their placing
Hey big Mike A!
Ok just let me add this. When you put the top 5 guys up on stage together at the USA, nobody is going to be so superior it is a complete blow out.
BUT, based on the overall physique Kulco has a clear win here on this day.
Kinda like the finals in the 100m with the top sprinters. A guy can be a "clear winner" and only be 0.1 sec ahead of 2nd place.
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something.
Post by: Parker on August 01, 2011, 09:58:37 PM
Kuclo's ab-thigh is tell tale sign...he already has that seperation between the abs, which makes the pose look ugly...look for more widening...he won't last long, he'll have abs worse than DJ
and he looks smoother than a glazed donut in the FDB...

Man, the 2011 USA's are a long way from this:
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Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: quadzilla456 on August 01, 2011, 10:03:21 PM
Juan looks very good. I sure wish they would abandon that bullshit of awarding pro cards. This guy obviously was a top contender at the contest show.

Photos from Flex Magazine online taken by Bill Comstock.

He does look good, I will give him that.
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: quadzilla456 on August 01, 2011, 10:05:26 PM
Never ceases to amaze me, just how little people on this site know about how to assess a physique....

Kucklo beats him without question...solid 1-2


Kucklo looked great and had awesome conditioning. The only issue I have with his structure is he has a slightly long torso. He would look better with longer legs. But it is very minor - less than Dennis Wolf I think.
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: b-boy on August 01, 2011, 10:13:01 PM
whats fucked up is that juan was the second best guy in that whole show and can't get a pro card. he clearly is better than the heavyweight and lightheavyweight winners that turned pro that night.  :'(
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: gh15 on August 01, 2011, 10:14:37 PM
Kucklo looked great and had awesome conditioning. The only issue I have with his structure is he has a slightly long torso. He would look better with longer legs. But it is very minor - less than Dennis Wolf I think.

this is to all this nonsense tread,, so its more clear,,

over all kuklo the kid deserved the win ,, not by much ,,over all.... that include when you take everything into account ...not only front..

but! the diff ...the reason many of you fellas prefer the other fellas physiqe is ..

kuklo the kid is mostly drugs...with out them he shrink so fast to nothing its not even funny

the other fella wil shrink indeed..he has lots of drugs in him...but unlike kuklo the kid he will shrink and the muscle bellies will stil be ther...he wil be 185lb...but his 185lb will look like 205...clean .... whiel kuklo the kid...will be 180lb and will look 180-185lb ...this the diff,,

one is blown up seriolusly by drugs ,, i mean really average genetic ,,just a fella with good structure and average geentic nothing to write home about...

the other  other one... has better genetic...better over all physiqe ....and is on drugs ofcourse...but just has better shape... as simple as that

in bodybuild...THE BETTER RESPONDER TO DRUGS THAT CAN GET IN BEST CONDITION WINS! ,, THIS IS HOW IT IS ,, WE DONT CARE HOW MUCH DRUGS YOU TAKE...IF YOU CAN BRING DORIAN LIKE CONDITION YOU WIN PERIOD,, KUKLO THE KID NOT EVEN REMOTELY CLSOE TO DORIAN ,,HELL HE IS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO A SECOND TIER PRO FROM THE 90S...BUT! HE WAS THE BEST ON THAT STAGE FROM WHAT WAS GIVEN

gh15 approved
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: gh15 on August 01, 2011, 10:21:47 PM
I don't know what the rest of you are seeing but Kuclo won by far, not even close

didnt win by far...but won ,,

as i said before

this kid is how do i say this nicely ,, he knwos it he reads it i dont want to get his head in the cloud,, but he read gh15..
this kid is WANTED to be mr o ,, he is the next big coming,, not because i say it here... it is because few reasons i will elaborate on them here

1. he did everything right! from yougn age was running around in the npc teens...was really into competing and papa joe knew and saw,,

2. he won in the teens...he climbed up ala jason and branch,,

3. he is much more humble! than jason ,, much much more sensetive than jason MUCH MORE,, dont tell me how i know i just know,,

4. he has better over all structure than jason

5. he is young enough

6. he is very determined,, look he now try to get olympia qualification ,, may very well get one

7.he is hard worker! yes it is generation of lazys but when he train he put good effort,, he doesnt play around all the time,, sometime,, not al the time he is very serious

8. he is willing to learn ,, he  tend to listen to more experienced bodybuilders,, many lack this quality now day ,,many say they do but dont,, he does

9. he has a good girl..wife

10. he has very supportive parents

it is mr o in the making,, he is also not boring! but physqie where it counts,, over all ,, in this generation wil be enough for mr o ..you can count the years 5 4 3 2 1  2016...

gh15 approved
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: GroinkTropin on August 01, 2011, 10:32:36 PM
Subjectivity only goes so far...then its a matter of knowing what youre talking about, or having an eye for the subject matter...

No one is saying Juan wasnt good, or that he was "blown away", etc...but anyone who knows physiques, would have no problem picking them 1-2 in Kucklo's favor...

Very much this.

On a side note, though still relevant, Morel is going to KICK ASS as a fucking pro. Unless he gets injured or burned out, dude is just going to CRUSH. That is my prediction. Don't see Kuclo going much further, but time will tell...
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: quadzilla456 on August 01, 2011, 10:54:58 PM
didnt win by far...but won ,,

as i said before

this kid is how do i say this nicely ,, he knwos it he reads it i dont want to get his head in the cloud,, but he read gh15..
this kid is WANTED to be mr o ,, he is the next big coming,, not because i say it here... it is because few reasons i will elaborate on them here

1. he did everything right! from yougn age was running around in the npc teens...was really into competing and papa joe knew and saw,,

2. he won in the teens...he climbed up ala jason and branch,,

3. he is much more humble! than jason ,, much much more sensetive than jason MUCH MORE,, dont tell me how i know i just know,,

4. he has better over all structure than jason

5. he is young enough

6. he is very determined,, look he now try to get olympia qualification ,, may very well get one

7.he is hard worker! yes it is generation of lazys but when he train he put good effort,, he doesnt play around all the time,, sometime,, not al the time he is very serious

8. he is willing to learn ,, he  tend to listen to more experienced bodybuilders,, many lack this quality now day ,,many say they do but dont,, he does

9. he has a good girl..wife

10. he has very supportive parents

it is mr o in the making,, he is also not boring! but physqie where it counts,, over all ,, in this generation wil be enough for mr o ..you can count the years 5 4 3 2 1  2016...

gh15 approved
Wow, in this post you actually compliment him. I'd rather have these attributes with slightly worse genetics. Look at Dorian. He did not have the best genetics but rose to the top because of his work ethic and intelligence.

I think you are right. This kid can go far if he sticks to it.
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: Howard on August 01, 2011, 11:11:08 PM
this is to all this nonsense tread,, so its more clear,,

over all kuklo the kid deserved the win ,, not by much ,,over all.... that include when you take everything into account ...not only front..

but! the diff ...the reason many of you fellas prefer the other fellas physiqe is ..

kuklo the kid is mostly drugs...with out them he shrink so fast to nothing its not even funny

the other fella wil shrink indeed..he has lots of drugs in him...but unlike kuklo the kid he will shrink and the muscle bellies will stil be ther...he wil be 185lb...but his 185lb will look like 205...clean .... whiel kuklo the kid...will be 180lb and will look 180-185lb ...this the diff,,

one is blown up seriolusly by drugs ,, i mean really average genetic ,,just a fella with good structure and average geentic nothing to write home about...

the other  other one... has better genetic...better over all physiqe ....and is on drugs ofcourse...but just has better shape... as simple as that

in bodybuild...THE BETTER RESPONDER TO DRUGS THAT CAN GET IN BEST CONDITION WINS! ,, THIS IS HOW IT IS ,, WE DONT CARE HOW MUCH DRUGS YOU TAKE...IF YOU CAN BRING DORIAN LIKE CONDITION YOU WIN PERIOD,, KUKLO THE KID NOT EVEN REMOTELY CLSOE TO DORIAN ,,HELL HE IS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO A SECOND TIER PRO FROM THE 90S...BUT! HE WAS THE BEST ON THAT STAGE FROM WHAT WAS GIVEN

gh15 approved
Obviously we agree that Kulco had the best physique on stage at the USA!
This "all drugs" crap is getting old GH15. I guess we stay home,  don't lift , eat twinkies and shoot whatever magic potion into our ass cheek and if we respond good, well, we go pro. Yeah...right.  ::)
 Look GH15 , I already know your views and it is a free and open forum. I think your "all drugs" idea  is retarded , but you have the right to post it here at getbig. No sense trying to debate you anymore, I can't win going up against a GOD of hormones. ::)
Suffice to say I think your "all drugs" crap is pretty damn silly and I'll leave it at that.
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: Howard on August 01, 2011, 11:12:19 PM
didnt win by far...but won ,,

as i said before

this kid is how do i say this nicely ,, he knwos it he reads it i dont want to get his head in the cloud,, but he read gh15..
this kid is WANTED to be mr o ,, he is the next big coming,, not because i say it here... it is because few reasons i will elaborate on them here

1. he did everything right! from yougn age was running around in the npc teens...was really into competing and papa joe knew and saw,,

2. he won in the teens...he climbed up ala jason and branch,,

3. he is much more humble! than jason ,, much much more sensetive than jason MUCH MORE,, dont tell me how i know i just know,,

4. he has better over all structure than jason

5. he is young enough

6. he is very determined,, look he now try to get olympia qualification ,, may very well get one

7.he is hard worker! yes it is generation of lazys but when he train he put good effort,, he doesnt play around all the time,, sometime,, not al the time he is very serious

8. he is willing to learn ,, he  tend to listen to more experienced bodybuilders,, many lack this quality now day ,,many say they do but dont,, he does

9. he has a good girl..wife

10. he has very supportive parents

it is mr o in the making,, he is also not boring! but physqie where it counts,, over all ,, in this generation wil be enough for mr o ..you can count the years 5 4 3 2 1  2016...

gh15 approved
Now that is a good, resonable, thoughtful post  GH15 . Good job.
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: musclecenter on August 01, 2011, 11:47:59 PM
Judges judge the competitors not by pics and videos like most of us.
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: BikiniSlut on August 02, 2011, 12:12:28 AM
Yes he deserved to win but the original poster has very valid points. It was not a "sweep". He dominates from the back but from the front he had some serious competition in certain poses.

Nobody is saying he didn't deserve to win.....but it WAS a close contest.
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: gh15 on August 02, 2011, 12:56:28 AM
Now that is a good, resonable, thoughtful post  GH15 . Good job.

so now forest give gh15 credit points eh?

listen fella,, do you fuckin know how many bodybuild around the world are worshipping every word and letter and mini letter that come out of my mouth? including kuklo the kid!,, i dont care for no fucking money making balonie,, i dont care for no balonie ,, i say the truth,, i say how it is wether you like to hear it or not... im not telling boardings to talk about me ...they do because what i say is the truth...the reason i mentioned every single day in so many boardings for so many years is because I SAY THE WAY IT TRULY IS,, BODYBUILD = ALL DRUGS,, WE ALL KNOW IT ,, REAL BODYBUILDERS KNOW IT!,, that is the reason im always mentioned and always get quotes of mine all over the place

so...i am happy you give me credit points lol but the gh15 name is so strong now day that dumb DUMB is the fella that woudnt make money out of it ...and guess what! i dont ... because i never did it for the money ....i did it for the stavios and for the matt ceesos....and for the dogmas...and for the ones who really needed it which if i put names here it will take 10 pages,, so your credit points...keep them for the heris report...

gh15 approved
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: Dogma2010 on August 02, 2011, 01:03:19 AM
I will say this though. Its a little different when you're competing against these guys and you see them all advancing because you know deep down that you want to do whatever is necessary to move up. Would you honestly say that at this point its more important to be conditioned in the NPC than just have size because I'm thinking 225 at 5'6" is a pretty big guy. How can someone at 5'10" who barely made superheavies at 230 compete with that. I mean do you just take the year off and develop everything or just diet down and make it into the heavyweight class???

i guess I'm asking because I'm seeing that more now where the heavyweight class is guys pretty much under 5'7" now and are barely making the class in the 215 to 220. How can a 5'10" guy do anything giving up inches and being at the exact same weight???


Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: gh15 on August 02, 2011, 01:09:58 AM
its all insulina today ,, they have no condition ,, dont look at their condition lol its blown up from within ,, there is no condition there...something very bad happened to bodybuild last 8-10 years...very very bad

this is not condition ,, not even close to condition ,, it is looking like condition because all of them are about the same...because all do the exact same things....there are bodybuilders now around the world especialy in mideast that wash floor with all this usa balonie,, but then again insulina give you more weight and more fake size...it is very hard to describe in words..because i say fake size and fellas are what do you mean fake size his muscle is bigger...NO ITS NOT...it is not bigger,, they weigh more but not bigger...heavier...bigge r guts...thicker skinnnnnn ....bigger organs from within,, cary more fat from within muscle but not bigger

bodybuild is not exactly where it should be ,, it is at a point where no one can get bigger NO ONE,,heavier yes you can get another 10 lb over jason but thats about it,, it iwl have to go back to the 90s will have to inorder for bodybuild to continue

gh15 approved
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: Tito24 on August 02, 2011, 01:57:31 AM
yes these bbers look like shit nowadays. cucllo awful bber.


(http://www.bodybuildingfanatic.com/richard-jones.jpg)

last good real bber
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something.
Post by: GroinkTropin on August 02, 2011, 05:23:49 AM
Kuclo's ab-thigh is tell tale sign...he already has that seperation between the abs, which makes the pose look ugly...look for more widening...he won't last long, he'll have abs worse than DJ
and he looks smoother than a glazed donut in the FDB...

Man, the 2011 USA's are a long way from this:
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Absolutely the same thing I noticed. Totally agree.
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: MORTALCOIL on August 02, 2011, 05:47:56 AM
I agree steve won (rightfully so/but Juan looked good as well)
bodybuilding is a subjective sport (it's someones opinion of you) you might think Will Harris was 4th place material and i might think he was 1st or 2nd ...whos right?
judging is a tough thankless job imo ....someones always upset at their placing

I agree that getting blown by men is disgusting but remember those judges are gay so to them it's not an ordeal.
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: OneMoreRep on August 02, 2011, 05:54:35 AM
I agree that getting blown by men is disgusting but remember those judges are gay so to them it's not an ordeal.

So are you saying that getting blown by an NPC competitor is just business as usual for Howard?

Iv'e been an active judge for almost 20 yrs

"1"
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: MORTALCOIL on August 02, 2011, 05:56:38 AM
So are you saying that getting blown by an NPC competitor is just business as usual for Howard?

"1"

Unlike others, you know how to read what's written.
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: GroinkTropin on August 02, 2011, 07:40:27 AM
I agree that getting blown by men is disgusting but remember those judges are gay so to them it's not an ordeal.

I do not remember being gay as a criteria to becoming a bodybuilding judge. Did I miss something? And when was there a big "coming out" party for the judges? You have proof that they are all gay???
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: MORTALCOIL on August 02, 2011, 07:42:25 AM
I do not remember being gay as a criteria to becoming a bodybuilding judge. Did I miss something? And when was there a big "coming out" party for the judges? You have proof that they are all gay???

That's the best Chick impression so far.
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: supernick on August 02, 2011, 07:52:57 AM
All I will say again, is that Kulco was the best guy on stage at the USA, a easy winner.

I agree.. I dont know what everyone else is smokin
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: Parker on August 02, 2011, 08:29:17 AM
take a look at his ab-thigh, you will be talking about how his abs will continually spread aprt and have that weird ass wide gap...his ab sot will continually look busted and there is nothing he can do about it...

Glazed Donuts eventually go stale.
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: Meso_z on August 02, 2011, 08:31:08 AM
close call and angle favor the negro
;D
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: kevcat on August 02, 2011, 11:34:36 AM
Whos the guy on the far right as youre lookin at the pic? His back muscles are insane in the RDB  :)
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: MB on August 02, 2011, 11:50:48 AM
Yes he deserved to win but the original poster has very valid points. It was not a "sweep". He dominates from the back but from the front he had some serious competition in certain poses.

Nobody is saying he didn't deserve to win.....but it WAS a close contest.

See thread title ---->  Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: flinstones1 on August 02, 2011, 12:05:55 PM
 ;D




juan has better symetry and aesthetics, more quad sweep, better abs, better lats, better triceps..
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shows you how impressive Juan really is cause triceps are Steve's biggest strength
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: Howard on August 02, 2011, 12:06:53 PM
so now forest give gh15 credit points eh?

listen fella,, do you fuckin know how many bodybuild around the world are worshipping every word and letter and mini letter that come out of my mouth? including kuklo the kid!,, i dont care for no fucking money making balonie,, i dont care for no balonie ,, i say the truth,, i say how it is wether you like to hear it or not... im not telling boardings to talk about me ...they do because what i say is the truth...the reason i mentioned every single day in so many boardings for so many years is because I SAY THE WAY IT TRULY IS,, BODYBUILD = ALL DRUGS,, WE ALL KNOW IT ,, REAL BODYBUILDERS KNOW IT!,, that is the reason im always mentioned and always get quotes of mine all over the place

so...i am happy you give me credit points lol but the gh15 name is so strong now day that dumb DUMB is the fella that woudnt make money out of it ...and guess what! i dont ... because i never did it for the money ....i did it for the stavios and for the matt ceesos....and for the dogmas...and for the ones who really needed it which if i put names here it will take 10 pages,, so your credit points...keep them for the heris report...

gh15 approved

Hot damn dude, I was trying to give you a sincere compliment for a good post.
Get paranoid and  defensive much?!
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: Howard on August 02, 2011, 12:09:21 PM
So are you saying that getting blown by an NPC competitor is just business as usual for Howard?

"1"
Not my scene , sorry fellas. You folks seem to be obssessed with the issue , not me.
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: epic_alien on August 02, 2011, 12:12:05 PM
front double bicep is the most important pose in bodybuilding and kuclo is getting raped in it

i thought you knew bodybuilding? you dont see or understand that kuclo is harder and bigger? and that when he turns around his hamstrings and everything else is much harder and on top of it bigger? you dont understand that kuclo has quad separation and size the black guy doesnt have?

i thought you studied bodybuilding.
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something.
Post by: stuntmovie on August 02, 2011, 12:33:51 PM
Epic ... Kuclo was definitely BIGGER but no way HARDER.

First Row Opinion. (And I have more 'time in grade' than Howard, but time in grade doesn't make me a better judge by any means).

I also gotta agree with BOMZ but only for the following reason ....

I was busy taking photos with a cheap ass camera while taking with friends (IFBB pros) and family members in the surrounding area as well as husbands and wives and moms and dads of some of the competing contenders, so I wasn't seeing this event in a 'Judging Capacity'

BUT

I did leave after the Men's Bodybuilding Prejudging was over thinking that Kuclo just might have a tough time taking the title even though everyone expected him to win it.

In my humble opinion I did not think that Kuclo was at his best for this event but I seemed to be the only one who thought that way.

In my mind it was a toss up between the contenders in that photo to Kuclo's left and right.

But I proceeded to write off my opinion due to the fact that I was busy socializing and shooting pictures with a cheap ass camera that took forever to warm up between  shots.

Interesting to note that Bomz felt somewhat the same way about what only a couple of others in that auditorium felt.

And include me in.

Departing recommendation - Never judge a contest by a photograph unless you are judging the Best Photograph.  And ... Never judge a contest if you are seated 10 feet behind the judges' bench.

You're seeing a different contact 'back thar'.


Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: apply85 on August 02, 2011, 12:38:05 PM
Conditioning has always been the most important thing. Also, if you're actually a good bodybuilder, you don't need a year to prepare for a contest. Look at Arnold, look at Kevin, they took months to get into condition because they had the courage to go straight to high doses... I think a lot of people fool around with low doses and think they gotta do a year at 500ml of test cyp per week before they can jump onto higher doses, but this is baloney. The guys like Kuclo who need 5 years to become pros aren't good bodybuilders, they have to have years to do it because they aren't genetically gifted... they're bodybuilders, but not good bodybuilders.. good bodybuilders are people like kevin who walk around at 195 and look better than guys who are 30 pounds heavier. This is the essence of bodybuilding... if you can't get ready for a contest in 4 months, you shouldn't really be bodybuilding. Doesn't mean you won't have success, look at Jay and Warren, but that success has to be given to. People like Arnold and Kevin and Ronnie couldn't be denied, the IFBB could have hated them and they would still have success, people like Kuclo are people's pets, they are the pets of weider and if they have any success at all, it's because they kissed ass and got chosen, they are beggars not choosers
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something.
Post by: quadzilla456 on August 02, 2011, 12:41:27 PM
Epic ... Kuclo was definitely BIGGER but no way HARDER.

First Row Opinion. (And I have more 'time in grade' than Howard, but time in grade doesn't make me a better judge by any means).

I also gotta agree with BOMZ but only for the following reason ....

I was busy taking photos with a cheap ass camera while taking with friends (IFBB pros) and family members in the surrounding area as well as husbands and wives and moms and dads of some of the competing contenders, so I wasn't seeing this event in a 'Judging Capacity'

BUT

I did leave after the Men's Bodybuilding Prejudging was over thinking that Kuclo just might have a tough time taking the title even though everyone expected him to win it.

In my humble opinion I did not think that Kuclo was at his best for this event but I seemed to be the only one who thought that way.

In my mind it was a toss up between the contenders in that photo to Kuclo's left and right.

But I proceeded to write off my opinion due to the fact that I was busy socializing and shooting pictures with a cheap ass camera that took forever to warm up between  shots.

Interesting to note that Bomz felt somewhat the same way about what only a couple of others in that auditorium felt.

And include me in.

Departing recommendation - Never judge a contest by a photograph unless you are judging the Best Photograph.  And ... Never judge a contest if you are seated 10 feet behind the judges' bench.

You're seeing a different contact 'back thar'.



Definitely not the guy on the left. He does not look more impressive. The guy on the right (Juan) is good but Steve beats them imo.
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: quadzilla456 on August 02, 2011, 12:45:16 PM
Conditioning has always been the most important thing. Also, if you're actually a good bodybuilder, you don't need a year to prepare for a contest. Look at Arnold, look at Kevin, they took months to get into condition because they had the courage to go straight to high doses... I think a lot of people fool around with low doses and think they gotta do a year at 500ml of test cyp per week before they can jump onto higher doses, but this is baloney. The guys like Kuclo who need 5 years to become pros aren't good bodybuilders, they have to have years to do it because they aren't genetically gifted... they're bodybuilders, but not good bodybuilders.. good bodybuilders are people like kevin who walk around at 195 and look better than guys who are 30 pounds heavier. This is the essence of bodybuilding... if you can't get ready for a contest in 4 months, you shouldn't really be bodybuilding. Doesn't mean you won't have success, look at Jay and Warren, but that success has to be given to. People like Arnold and Kevin and Ronnie couldn't be denied, the IFBB could have hated them and they would still have success, people like Kuclo are people's pets, they are the pets of weider and if they have any success at all, it's because they kissed ass and got chosen, they are beggars not choosers
No, you're smoking crack. Look at Kuclo's calves. They are actually the best in the business right now. They make Jay's look small. He has good genetics no doubt. So what if it took him longer to get there - he is still 26. It did not take that long after all.
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something.
Post by: stuntmovie on August 02, 2011, 12:47:36 PM
Apply, You'd be an interesting person to discuss the essence of what you stated above due to the fact that you appear to have some intelligence about the subject matter as well as deep concern; but you have offered some comments that are definitely incorrect - especially down there towards the end.

There  are many good people on this GetBig Board who offer inaccurate assumptions and non-observed 'observations' ... so I'd like to ask you how many years you have been involved and what that involvement consisted of. Also where were you seated when Kuclo won?

Thanks, Apply and respectfully submitted .... Stunt



Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something.
Post by: stuntmovie on August 02, 2011, 12:54:58 PM
Is this the "guy on the left"?

Trouble posting the correct photo because they are too damn small to see when time is of the essence.
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: Stavios on August 02, 2011, 12:56:35 PM
who is that fella
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something.
Post by: stuntmovie on August 02, 2011, 01:00:32 PM
I think I fucked the above one up cause his trunk number is too low to be in Kuclo's class.

But here's a Kuclo shot.
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something.
Post by: Parker on August 02, 2011, 01:04:55 PM
Apply, You'd be an interesting person to discuss the essence of what you stated above due to the fact that you appear to have some intelligence about the subject matter as well as deep concern; but you have offered some comments that are definitely incorrect - especially down there towards the end.

There  are many good people on this GetBig Board who offer inaccurate assumptions and non-observed 'observations' ... so I'd like to ask you how many years you have been involved and what that involvement consisted of. Also where were you seated when Kuclo won?

Thanks, Apply and respectfully submitted .... Stunt




If you are talking about calves---Fankhouser and Big Ben are 5 notches above Kuclo the Glazed Donut
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something.
Post by: stuntmovie on August 02, 2011, 01:10:41 PM
Bomz, let me add this one dumb statement for what it's worth.

When I was in the last row of the auditorium and saw the initial line of Kuclo's class, Kuclo made eveyone in that lineup look 'miget-terry'.

Kuclo was Goliath but I thought I saw David as I got closer.

And "Yep!" he was there but apparently he forgot his sling-shot.

At your next contest run to the back of the auditorium and judge the first three in that initial lineup and then run up front and do it again.

You'll see two very different score sheets.

And that's usually the main reason why we all want to argue about these contest outcomes and cry 'rape' and 'politics' and  make adverse comments that only exist without our own minds.

Another big reason is that we are photo judges extraordinaire.
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: roccoginge on August 02, 2011, 01:14:27 PM
Damn sprinters calves!
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: BILL ANVIL on August 02, 2011, 01:15:36 PM
Iv'e been an active judge for almost 20 yrs and can tell you that Kulco at this yrs  USA is the clear winner.
He had by far the best combination of size, shape and muscularity, etc.
This one wasn't that close.
Everyone is welcome to their opinion, but , if you can't see him as the clear winner, you don't know much about they way a contest should be judged.

My friend, genetics play a huge roll in what a proper bodybuilding physique should look like. And the guy to his right just has "it."
Size, muscularity, and conditioning don't mean jack sh!t if you dont have the proper structure and inherent shape to put in on.

Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something.
Post by: Parker on August 02, 2011, 01:18:18 PM
Bomz, let me add this one dumb statement for what it's worth.

When I was in the last row of the auditorium and saw the initial line of Kuclo's class, Kuclo made eveyone in that lineup look 'miget-terry'.

Kuclo was Goliath but I thought I saw David as I got closer.

And "Yep!" he was there but apparently he forgot his sling-shot.

At your next contest run to the back of the auditorium and judge the first three in that initial lineup and then run up front and do it again.

You'll see two very different score sheets.

And that's usually the main reason why we all want to argue about these contest outcomes and cry 'rape' and 'politics' and  make adverse comments that only exist without our own minds.

Another big reason is that we are photo judges extraordinaire.
And you know what---you just gave the kiss of death to Kuclo's career....because, he has nowhere to go, nothing to refine. The Superheavies tend to not allow the new Pros to "grow" into their bodies, as they are already maxed out...it's almost like they are semi-pros, in a sense.
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something.
Post by: apply85 on August 02, 2011, 01:35:27 PM

Thanks, Apply and respectfully submitted .... Stunt


I have been a fan of bodybuilding since my teenage years, I've never taken steroids or gone to a contest, those things are unnecessary to say what I have said.

I'm not saying Kuclo has bad genetics, I'm saying he's pretty much nothing special in bodybuilding. I knew this before I saw this contest, I knew this after I saw it. To the guy who said his calves are the best in the business... this is what is said about white guys who can't compete with the blacks. He does not have the best anything in the business, all he can be is a mass monster, which proves that he is not good. He is only ok. Guys who are good look good with less muscle.

People who are in power prefer this type of person because this type of person is willing to do anything for a handout. Weider doesn't want another Arnold because Arnold transcended bodybuilding, he was bigger than Weider. What he wants is what he has gotten with today's bodybuilders. Take a look at pics of him with his "athletes", it looks like Hefner with his playmates. If you wonder why there are no more personalities in bodybuilding, it's because the people who run bodybuilding don't want personalities, they want pets, and that's what they have now. This is why they gave Jay and Warren Mr o, because they saw what horrible things they put themselves through for their approval, and they rewarded that behavior in order to communicate to future bodybulders that this is what you must do, you must submit
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something.
Post by: gh15 on August 02, 2011, 01:37:57 PM
And you know what---you just gave the kiss of death to Kuclo's career....because, he has nowhere to go, nothing to refine. The Superheavies tend to not allow the new Pros to "grow" into their bodies, as they are already maxed out...it's almost like they are semi-pros, in a sense.

it wont matter,, same thing  another 10-15lb ...more mature and its mr o ,,
did you see jason? do you think he deserve any of his titles? do you think he is truly conditioned muscular?,,last time jason was conditioned muscular was 2001...in 2009 it was rubber abused by trenbolona and gh of the highest most refined kind to gether with unheard of doses of equipona of the most refined kind,, was it 2001? hell no it wasnt it ws just a rubber like condition same as philsulina,, not real bodybuilding shredded but blown from the inside out type of ripped

kuklo the kid is destined to be mr o ,, it doesnt matter as long as he grow little more like the way he is  he will be mr o ,, as long as he can nail the condition to be ok in today standard...he will be me o ,, clean past,, good boy,, from the teens of the npc...was able to gain size to the 260lb + zone...symetric,, proportionate over all ...waist is still not huge on stage...
give it few more years,, 5 years,, and he is mr o

gh15 approved
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something.
Post by: gh15 on August 02, 2011, 01:41:27 PM
I have been a fan of bodybuilding since my teenage years, I've never taken steroids or gone to a contest, those things are unnecessary to say what I have said.

I'm not saying Kuclo has bad genetics, I'm saying he's pretty much nothing special in bodybuilding. I knew this before I saw this contest, I knew this after I saw it. To the guy who said his calves are the best in the business... this is what is said about white guys who can't compete with the blacks. He does not have the best anything in the business, all he can be is a mass monster, which proves that he is not good. He is only ok. Guys who are good look good with less muscle.

People who are in power prefer this type of person because this type of person is willing to do anything for a handout. Weider doesn't want another Arnold because Arnold transcended bodybuilding, he was bigger than Weider. What he wants is what he has gotten with today's bodybuilders. Take a look at pics of him with his "athletes", it looks like Hefner with his playmates. If you wonder why there are no more personalities in bodybuilding, it's because the people who run bodybuilding don't want personalities, they want pets, and that's what they have now. This is why they gave Jay and Warren Mr o, because they saw what horrible things they put themselves through for their approval, and they rewarded that behavior in order to communicate to future bodybulders that this is what you must do, you must submit

dorian was nothing special either...

IT IS THE ABUSE OF HORMONES WHO GET YOU UP IF YOUR GENETIC REPOND IS GOOD ENOUGH AND YOU CAN MAINTAIN PROPORTION AND OFCOURSE BORN SYMETRIC TO BEGIN WITH ,, EVEN THE SYMETRY ON JASON IS FUCKED UP AND HE GOT 4 TITLES LOL

ITS ALL ABOUT YOU ABILITY TO RESPOND TO DRUGS VERY WELL AND PULL IT OFF! GET IT IN YOUR HEAD,, YOU CAN DO DELTS IN THE GYM FROM NOW TILL 2020 AND IF YOURE NOT ON GH AND TESTOSTERONA IN HIGH DOSES...BOTH OF THEM INADDITION TO GOOD EQ... YOU WILL NOT HAVE HUGE CUPPED DELTS THAT SCREAM OUT LIKE AIRPLANE WINGS WITH 2 CANONS ATTACHED TO THEM,, YOU JUST WONT AND YOU CAN LIFT YOUR MAMA AND PAPA AND YOUR KITTEN ALL TOGETHER ON YOUR SHOULDER IT WONT MATTER,, INFACT YOU CAN COMPLETELY DONT WORK DELTS ...IF YOU HAVE NO TESTOSTERONA IN BLOOD I WOUDNT EVEN WORK DELTS...

gh15 approved
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something.
Post by: stuntmovie on August 02, 2011, 01:42:51 PM
GANSTA, Time will tell.

We are both aware of a good number of new formed Pros who simply pass away into obscurity, but please don't blame my 'kiss of death' if Kuclo does likewise.
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something.
Post by: Parker on August 02, 2011, 01:52:31 PM
it wont matter,, same thing  another 10-15lb ...more mature and its mr o ,,
did you see jason? do you think he deserve any of his titles? do you think he is truly conditioned muscular?,,last time jason was conditioned muscular was 2001...in 2009 it was rubber abused by trenbolona and gh of the highest most refined kind to gether with unheard of doses of equipona of the most refined kind,, was it 2001? hell no it wasnt it ws just a rubber like condition same as philsulina,, not real bodybuilding shredded but blown from the inside out type of ripped

kuklo the kid is destined to be mr o ,, it doesnt matter as long as he grow little more like the way he is  he will be mr o ,, as long as he can nail the condition to be ok in today standard...he will be me o ,, clean past,, good boy,, from the teens of the npc...was able to gain size to the 260lb + zone...symetric,, proportionate over all ...waist is still not huge on stage...
give it few more years,, 5 years,, and he is mr o

gh15 approved
Jay was a product of the 90's, he turned Pro in 1996...diff era, today's SuperHeavies have Pro size, but the Heavies and Light Heavies have way better condition and shape
Kuclo, will not be Mr. O---take a look at that ab-thigh that is the key, it will start spreading, plus he can't nail his condition...
GANSTA, Time will tell.

We are both aware of a good number of new formed Pros who simply pass away into obscurity, but please don't blame my 'kiss of death' if Kuclo does likewise.
;D 
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: apply85 on August 02, 2011, 01:55:22 PM
Dear God of hormones, stop yelling at me, what did you think I meant when I said if you can't get ready for a show in 4 months... when I say genetics I don't ony mean muscle bellies and tight waste, I mean how long it takes you to blow up on steroids to a point where you can compete
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: The_Iron_Disciple on August 02, 2011, 01:57:54 PM
Some REALLY, REALLY good posts in this thread. Not by you though, Howard. :P Rarely am I impressed by any thread at GetBig, but this particular thread has A LOT on intelligence as well as insight coursing through it's veins.


Anyways, some two months ago or so ( can't remember really ) I started a thread basically stating Kuclo WOULD WIN and I described WHY and HOW. Granted, I received a total of 5 replies or so. :( :( Point blank, I feel Kuclo deserved the win this past weekend. There is no issue there for me. My concern is how he'll do in the pro's. And, quite simply, I could care less about this Dallas show comin' up. I want to see how well he'll do a tad bit further down the line. Quad-somethin', can accuse Gangsta bein' a racist, however, this is not about the color of one's skin. GangstaLean is 100 % on point with what he's sayin' ... although, a tad bit harsh with the " donut " comments. LOLOL.


So, what does the Iron Disciple think ?? I think Kuclo's maxed out. Again, I've said this a million times in the past. Not only that, but conditionin' IS an issue for him. Gh15 thinks he'll be Mr. O in the future ... well, who knows ? Like Gh15 says, the current crop of pro's is appalling. I mean Kuclo no harm nor ill will. Just speakin' my mind is all I'm doing. Some REALLY, REALLY good posts in this thread. Not by you though, Howard. :P Rarely am I impressed by any thread at GetBig, but this particular thread has A LOT on intelligence as well as insight coursing through it's veins.


Anyways, some two months ago or so ( can't remember really ) I started a thread basically stating Kuclo WOULD WIN and I described WHY and HOW. Granted, I received a total of 5 replies or so. :( :( Point blank, I feel Kuclo deserved the win this past weekend. There is no issue there for me. My concern is how he'll do in the pro's. And, quite simply, I could care less about this Dallas show comin' up. I want to see how well he'll do a tad bit further down the line. Quad-somethin', can accuse Gangsta bein' a racist, however, this is not about the color of one's skin. GangstaLean is 100 % on point with what he's sayin' ... although, a tad bit harsh with the " donut " comments. LOLOL.


So, what does the Iron Disciple think ?? I think Kuclo's maxed out. Again, I've said this a million times in the past. Not only that, but conditionin' IS an issue for him. Gh15 thinks he'll be Mr. O in the future ... well, who knows ? Like Gh15 says, the current crop of pro's is appalling. I mean Kuclo no harm nor ill will. Just speakin' my mind is all I'm doing.





Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something.
Post by: stuntmovie on August 02, 2011, 01:59:41 PM
APPLY, no intent to be disrespectful here but I had a feeling about your limited bodybuilding experience after reading your initial post.

And from what you have so honestly stated (" I have been a fan of bodybuilding since my teenage years, I've never taken steroids or gone to a contest ...... )

And those things you stated are somewhat like conducting a medical examination after graduating from grammar school..

It's good that you are a fan but before you make accusations, you should get a bit more educated about what you claim to know.

Talk is cheap unless you know what you talk about and be honest in discussing it.





Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: Parker on August 02, 2011, 02:04:40 PM
Some REALLY, REALLY good posts in this thread. Not by you though, Howard. :P Rarely am I impressed by any thread at GetBig, but this particular thread has A LOT on intelligence as well as insight coursing through it's veins.


Anyways, some two months ago or so ( can't remember really ) I started a thread basically stating Kuclo WOULD WIN and I described WHY and HOW. Granted, I received a total of 5 replies or so. :( :( Point blank, I feel Kuclo deserved the win this past weekend. There is no issue there for me. My concern is how he'll do in the pro's. And, quite simply, I could care less about this Dallas show comin' up. I want to see how well he'll do a tad bit further down the line. Quad-somethin', can accuse Gangsta bein' a racist, however, this is not about the color of one's skin. GangstaLean is 100 % on point with what he's sayin' ... although, a tad bit harsh with the " donut " comments. LOLOL.


So, what does the Iron Disciple think ?? I think Kuclo's maxed out. Again, I've said this a million times in the past. Not only that, but conditionin' IS an issue for him. Gh15 thinks he'll be Mr. O in the future ... well, who knows ? Like Gh15 says, the current crop of pro's is appalling. I mean Kuclo no harm nor ill will. Just speakin' my mind is all I'm doing. Some REALLY, REALLY good posts in this thread. Not by you though, Howard. :P Rarely am I impressed by any thread at GetBig, but this particular thread has A LOT on intelligence as well as insight coursing through it's veins.


Anyways, some two months ago or so ( can't remember really ) I started a thread basically stating Kuclo WOULD WIN and I described WHY and HOW. Granted, I received a total of 5 replies or so. :( :( Point blank, I feel Kuclo deserved the win this past weekend. There is no issue there for me. My concern is how he'll do in the pro's. And, quite simply, I could care less about this Dallas show comin' up. I want to see how well he'll do a tad bit further down the line. Quad-somethin', can accuse Gangsta bein' a racist, however, this is not about the color of one's skin. GangstaLean is 100 % on point with what he's sayin' ... although, a tad bit harsh with the " donut " comments. LOLOL.


So, what does the Iron Disciple think ?? I think Kuclo's maxed out. Again, I've said this a million times in the past. Not only that, but conditionin' IS an issue for him. Gh15 thinks he'll be Mr. O in the future ... well, who knows ? Like Gh15 says, the current crop of pro's is appalling. I mean Kuclo no harm nor ill will. Just speakin' my mind is all I'm doing.






To me, they all looked like glazed donuts...you know what Kevin would say, "They are scared to suffer", to me, all of them look a week out.

And the reason why the current crop is appalling---look to the standards the NPC set, if that garners a Pro card, why not continue...
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something.
Post by: gh15 on August 02, 2011, 02:05:17 PM
Jay was a product of the 90's, he turned Pro in 1996...diff era, today's SuperHeavies have Pro size, but the Heavies and Light Heavies have way better condition and shape
Kuclo, will not be Mr. O---take a look at that ab-thigh that is the key, it will start spreading, plus he can't nail his condition... ;D 

go into the bible ,, dig out what gh15 said in 2005 or was it 2006...look at it carefully,, it ws when no one even knew who this kid was...i had to bring him as example because i had to find someone at the age of more fellas to talk about...2011 to the date!  same thing i telling you now....he will become mr o ,,its not because he is SO GOOD,, he is not! ,, it is because the GENERATION IS THAT! BAD! ,, you fellas dont get my point ,, the best out of the worst wins...and he is the best out of the worst,,

gh15 approved
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: Stavios on August 02, 2011, 02:07:45 PM
who would win between the best out of the worst and the worst out of the best ?
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: GroinkTropin on August 02, 2011, 02:09:31 PM
Some REALLY, REALLY good posts in this thread. Not by you though, Howard. :P Rarely am I impressed by any thread at GetBig, but this particular thread has A LOT on intelligence as well as insight coursing through it's veins.


Anyways, some two months ago or so ( can't remember really ) I started a thread basically stating Kuclo WOULD WIN and I described WHY and HOW. Granted, I received a total of 5 replies or so. :( :( Point blank, I feel Kuclo deserved the win this past weekend. There is no issue there for me. My concern is how he'll do in the pro's. And, quite simply, I could care less about this Dallas show comin' up. I want to see how well he'll do a tad bit further down the line. Quad-somethin', can accuse Gangsta bein' a racist, however, this is not about the color of one's skin. GangstaLean is 100 % on point with what he's sayin' ... although, a tad bit harsh with the " donut " comments. LOLOL.


So, what does the Iron Disciple think ?? I think Kuclo's maxed out. Again, I've said this a million times in the past. Not only that, but conditionin' IS an issue for him. Gh15 thinks he'll be Mr. O in the future ... well, who knows ? Like Gh15 says, the current crop of pro's is appalling. I mean Kuclo no harm nor ill will. Just speakin' my mind is all I'm doing. Some REALLY, REALLY good posts in this thread. Not by you though, Howard. :P Rarely am I impressed by any thread at GetBig, but this particular thread has A LOT on intelligence as well as insight coursing through it's veins.


Anyways, some two months ago or so ( can't remember really ) I started a thread basically stating Kuclo WOULD WIN and I described WHY and HOW. Granted, I received a total of 5 replies or so. :( :( Point blank, I feel Kuclo deserved the win this past weekend. There is no issue there for me. My concern is how he'll do in the pro's. And, quite simply, I could care less about this Dallas show comin' up. I want to see how well he'll do a tad bit further down the line. Quad-somethin', can accuse Gangsta bein' a racist, however, this is not about the color of one's skin. GangstaLean is 100 % on point with what he's sayin' ... although, a tad bit harsh with the " donut " comments. LOLOL.


So, what does the Iron Disciple think ?? I think Kuclo's maxed out. Again, I've said this a million times in the past. Not only that, but conditionin' IS an issue for him. Gh15 thinks he'll be Mr. O in the future ... well, who knows ? Like Gh15 says, the current crop of pro's is appalling. I mean Kuclo no harm nor ill will. Just speakin' my mind is all I'm doing.







Kuclo is not maxed out yet.

He is not doing the show he said he would.

He will not win the Olympia.

I didn't read most of what you wrote, though I hope you aren't pissed. Just try to get your ideas out a little quicker for the ADD types like me plz.
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: gh15 on August 02, 2011, 02:16:05 PM
To me, they all looked like glazed donuts...you know what Kevin would say, "They are scared to suffer", to me, all of them look a week out.

And the reason why the current crop is appalling---look to the standards the NPC set, if that garners a Pro card, why not continue...

lol kevin ...he just try to make it intersting ,, in reality behind the scene he will tell you that NO MATTER HOW MUCH THEY FUCKIN DIET THEY CANT GET CONDITIOKN!!! they are fulll of insulina ,, you DO NOT GET UP TO 2 5 0 + LB AT 5'8 BARLEY WITH OUT SEVERE ABUSE OF INSULINA... YOU JUST DO NOT! SO YES YOU CAN BE LEAN ..YOU CAN BE RIPPED..WIL YOU LOOK SHREDDED? NEVA EVA !

so they can go eat fish and chips or fish and brokly wont matter,, the insulina make it immposible for them to be shredded ,, i dont get it i talkd about it million times im bible,,

do you thik arnold woudnt be 290lb of this balonie if he used lots of insulina,, arnold 6'1 and few balonies sittign 230lb on stage! ! ! listeo to this numbers again ,, 6' 1 and few balonies.. 2 3 0 lb on stage!  that = 5'10 that go on stage 205-210! ! ! that = 5'7 that go on stage 185-190lb ! ! !  and ! arnold also wasnt that shredded...not much gh involved during thsoe days....but if you take arnold to truly shredded like you could get today on gh and aas...he woud be 220lb on stage...and that = 5'10 200 on stage....and that = 5'7 1 8 0 lb on stage,,

nowo i ask you here pupils....5'7 180lb on stage ...how do you take it up to 5'7 220-230 balonies on stage? you take it there ....WITH ALL TOGETHE NOW....

LOTS
AND LOTS
AND LOTS
AND THEN SOME MORE LOTS

OF A DRUG THAT IS MAINLY USED FOR DIABETICS,, CALLED....


I N S U L I N A


why dont they get fatzos like most insulina fellas that live among society ? because.....1. THEY ABUSE THE SHIT OF GH ...2. THEY TO BEGIN WITH DONT  HAVE DIABETES....


there is no human in the world thaty just walk around like liar priest 250 260 240 5'4 inches lol THIS IS WHY THIS MOTHER FUCKIN DWARF SHOUD BE BURN IN SOME AUSTRALIAN DANGEN WHERE DRAGON REALASE HOT FIRE INTO HIS FACE ..that mothr fuckin liar lied to you all those years about abuse of insulina and hgh ,, allll those years sooo many years,, and you all were liar priest liar priest you are marvelous ,, you are blabloo blalbla...
and then,,
whats then...ummm


oh ya...
god of hormones joined the ride : )

gh15 approved
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something.
Post by: apply85 on August 02, 2011, 02:16:43 PM
APPLY, no intent to be disrespectful here but I had a feeling about your limited bodybuilding experience after reading your initial post.

And from what you have so honestly stated (" I have been a fan of bodybuilding since my teenage years, I've never taken steroids or gone to a contest ...... )

And those things you stated are somewhat like conducting a medical examination after graduating from grammar school..

It's good that you are a fan but before you make accusations, you should get a bit more educated about what you claim to know.

Talk is cheap unless you know what you talk about and be honest in discussing it.




I've made no accusations, I've made no statements that require detailed knowledge of hormones such as that Kuclo is maxed out, which other people are saying, I claim to know nothing. Conducting medical exam... lol that is such a bogus metaphor, it is nothing like conducting a medical exam out of grammar school. You claim I'm not educated in the subject, it doesn't take much education. What do you have on me? Years of pinning needles in your ass and shmoeing it up at bodybuilding contests? If that "education" caused you to observe something differently at the contest than what I saw in the pitures, your education has mislead you. And trust me, you're a schmoe, observing bodybuilders from afar then up close, making metaphors of fucking david and goliath lol, please take your metaphors and your pseudo respectful passive aggressive attitude and tuck it neatly in your gym bag and stop replying to my posts, don't let the door hit your mushy schmoe ass on the way out lol
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: Parker on August 02, 2011, 02:17:21 PM
lol kevin ...he just try to make it intersting ,, in reality behind the scene he will tell you that NO MATTER HOW MUCH THEY FUCKIN DIET THEY CANT GET CONDITIOKN!!! they are fulll of insulina ,, you DO NOT GET UP TO 2 5 0 + LB AT 5'8 BARLEY WITH OUT SEVERE ABUSE OF INSULINA... YOU JUST DO NOT! SO YES YOU CAN BE LEAN ..YOU CAN BE RIPPED..WIL YOU LOOK SHREDDED? NEVA EVA !

so they can go eat fish and chips or fish and brokly wont matter,, the insulina make it immposible for them to be shredded ,, i dont get it i talkd about it million times im bible,,

do you thik arnold woudnt be 290lb of this balonie if he used lots of insulina,, arnold 6'1 and few balonies sittign 230lb on stage! ! ! listeo to this numbers again ,, 6' 1 and few balonies.. 2 3 0 lb on stage!  that = 5'10 that go on stage 205-210! ! ! that = 5'7 that go on stage 185-190lb ! ! !  and ! arnold also wasnt that shredded...not much gh involved during thsoe days....but if you take arnold to truly shredded like you could get today on gh and aas...he woud be 220lb on stage...and that = 5'10 200 on stage....and that = 5'7 1 8 0 lb on stage,,

nowo i ask you here pupils....5'7 180lb on stage ...how do you take it up to 5'7 220-230 balonies on stage? you take it there ....WITH ALL TOGETHE NOW....

LOTS
AND LOTS
AND LOTS
AND THEN SOME MORE LOTS

OF A DRUG THAT IS MAINLY USED FOR DIABETICS,, CALLED....


I N S U L I N A


why dont they get fatzos like most insulina fellas that live among society ? because.....1. THEY ABUSE THE SHIT OF GH ...2. THEY TO BEGIN WITH DONT  HAVE DIABETES....


there is no human in the world thaty just walk around like liar priest 250 260 240 5'4 inches lol THIS IS WHY THIS MOTHER FUCKIN DWARF SHOUD BE BURN IN SOME AUSTRALIAN DANGEN WHERE DRAGON REALASE HOT FIRE INTO HIS FACE ..that mothr fuckin liar lied to you all those years about abuse of insulina and hgh ,, allll those years sooo many years,, and you all were liar priest liar priest you are marvelous ,, you are blabloo blalbla...
and then,,
whats then...ummm


oh ya...
god of hormones joined the ride : )

gh15 approved
(pupil) has been put back in line... ;D
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: The_Iron_Disciple on August 02, 2011, 02:19:40 PM
Kuclo is not maxed out yet.

He is not doing the show he said he would.

He will not win the Olympia.

I didn't read most of what you wrote, though I hope you aren't pissed. Just try to get your ideas out a little quicker for the ADD types like me plz.


No, not pissed. And I understand. :) " Maxed " may not have been the word I was lookin' for, however, I really don't think he can add much more to his frame. That's what I was tryin' to say. Whereas, Juan Morel ... well, HOLY SHIT, the sky's the limit for him, imo. Was studyin' his physique today ( NO HOMO ), in fact. Looks like he could add QUITE a bit more size to his frame. Hell, he NEEDS it in the hams, specifically.
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something.
Post by: stuntmovie on August 02, 2011, 02:23:19 PM
IRON, I think I recall your forecast and I totally agreed even way back then. And I continued to agree with that forecast until the moment Kuclo stepped on that prejudging stage.

And at that moment I started to NOT believe in ya anymore!

And I was a slight bit pissed off at myself for believing in ya in the first place! (My mind does crazy shit like this all the time.)

ANd here is why I lost confidence in ya!

When I first saw Kuclo, I too thought of a "jelly" doughnut and was disappointed because I too had mentioned that he would win his card along with Tamer.

SO I left that hall with disappointment knowing that doughnuts never win and feeling that the 'hamburger patty' Tamer was gonna take the overall while leaving Kuclo  behind in another year of misery as an amateur

In fact those of us up front had the feeling we were in a Krispy Kream factory because all the contenders appeared to deserve the Doughnut King title.

But then 24 hours later a miracle happened and all those 'doughuts' got on  stage for the finals did something right and turned into 'prime beef'  (I wrote about this earlier).

t was an amazing change and each of us up front agreed upon and even I gotta admit that Kuclo and those "right and left guys' looked damn near phenominal and nothing like their earlier appearance.

And I think you inferred that Kuclo cannot improve.

But I have an opposite opinion which I hope proves how damn smart I is.

In my opinion Kuclo looked 'soft' ... maybe 'puffy' is a better term to use,

I think that his future pro efforts will bring him on stage in a much harder condition. Some wise man up front said, "He'll just need a few more dieting days!"

Maybe that is the answer but I gotta leave that up to GH 15 to analyze.

Now .... what's your next prediction for the 2012 USA? I think you've seen that winner somewhere on this board.
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something.
Post by: Parker on August 02, 2011, 02:27:29 PM
IRON, I think I recall your forecast and I totally agreed even way back then. And I continued to agree with that forecast until the moment Kuclo stepped on that prejudging stage.

And at that moment I started to NOT believe in ya anymore!

And I was a slight bit pissed off at myself for believing in ya in the first place! (My mind does crazy shit like this all the time.)

ANd here is why I lost confidence in ya!

When I first saw Kuclo, I too thought of a "jelly" doughnut and was disappointed because I too had mentioned that he would win his card along with Tamer.

SO I left that hall with disappointment knowing that doughnuts never win and feeling that the 'hamburger patty' Tamer was gonna take the overall while leaving Kuclo  behind in another year of misery as an amateur

In fact those of us up front had the feeling we were in a Krispy Kream factory because all the contenders appeared to deserve the Doughnut King title.

But then 24 hours later a miracle happened and all those 'doughuts' got on  stage for the finals did something right and turned into 'prime beef'  (I wrote about this earlier).

t was an amazing change and each of us up front agreed upon and even I gotta admit that Kuclo and those "right and left guys' looked damn near phenominal and nothing like their earlier appearance.

And I think you inferred that Kuclo cannot improve.

But I have an opposite opinion which I hope proves how damn smart I is.

In my opinion Kuclo looked 'soft' ... maybe 'puffy' is a better term to use,

I think that his future pro efforts will bring him on stage in a much harder condition. Some wise man up front said, "He'll just need a few more dieting days!"

Maybe that is the answer but I gotta leave that up to GH 15 to analyze.

Now .... what's your next prediction for the 2012 USA? I think you've seen that winner somewhere on this board.
As I said, that they all looked 5 days out...
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something.
Post by: stuntmovie on August 02, 2011, 02:29:44 PM
Agreed
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something.
Post by: LLES on August 02, 2011, 02:45:49 PM
I think I fucked the above one up cause his trunk number is too low to be in Kuclo's class.

But here's a Kuclo shot.













His physique reminds me of Dennis Newman's kinda.
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something.
Post by: The_Iron_Disciple on August 02, 2011, 02:52:08 PM
IRON, I think I recall your forecast and I totally agreed even way back then. And I continued to agree with that forecast until the moment Kuclo stepped on that prejudging stage.

And at that moment I started to NOT believe in ya anymore!

And I was a slight bit pissed off at myself for believing in ya in the first place! (My mind does crazy shit like this all the time.)

ANd here is why I lost confidence in ya!

When I first saw Kuclo, I too thought of a "jelly" doughnut and was disappointed because I too had mentioned that he would win his card along with Tamer.

SO I left that hall with disappointment knowing that doughnuts never win and feeling that the 'hamburger patty' Tamer was gonna take the overall while leaving Kuclo  behind in another year of misery as an amateur

In fact those of us up front had the feeling we were in a Krispy Kream factory because all the contenders appeared to deserve the Doughnut King title.

But then 24 hours later a miracle happened and all those 'doughuts' got on  stage for the finals did something right and turned into 'prime beef'  (I wrote about this earlier).

t was an amazing change and each of us up front agreed upon and even I gotta admit that Kuclo and those "right and left guys' looked damn near phenominal and nothing like their earlier appearance.

And I think you inferred that Kuclo cannot improve.

But I have an opposite opinion which I hope proves how damn smart I is.

In my opinion Kuclo looked 'soft' ... maybe 'puffy' is a better term to use,

I think that his future pro efforts will bring him on stage in a much harder condition. Some wise man up front said, "He'll just need a few more dieting days!"

Maybe that is the answer but I gotta leave that up to GH 15 to analyze.

Now .... what's your next prediction for the 2012 USA? I think you've seen that winner somewhere on this board.


Well, my friend ... as you say, " Time will tell ". That's how I feel about it, Stunt. Again, I wish Steve well. I'm only givin' MY opinion based in what I've seen. Interestingly enough, you say his future pro efforts will, perhaps, motivate him to come in harder ? I don't quite understand that. Are you implying that his past efforts to turn pro weren't good enough ?? That somehow being a pro now will change all of that ?? No. If he can't nail his conditioning NOW, Stunt., then what makes you think he'll be able to nail it in the future when adds more size ?? It will be even harder then. Steve's in a half-way place ... purgatory, if you will. Any direction he moves, physique-wise, may hurt him. Just my opinion though. Again, and again, and again ... we shall see. But I'm RARELY wrong, Stunt.


Btw, diuretics are a hell of a drug. ;) ;)
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something.
Post by: Howard on August 02, 2011, 03:02:19 PM
it wont matter,, same thing  another 10-15lb ...more mature and its mr o ,,
did you see jason? do you think he deserve any of his titles? do you think he is truly conditioned muscular?,,last time jason was conditioned muscular was 2001...in 2009 it was rubber abused by trenbolona and gh of the highest most refined kind to gether with unheard of doses of equipona of the most refined kind,, was it 2001? hell no it wasnt it ws just a rubber like condition same as philsulina,, not real bodybuilding shredded but blown from the inside out type of ripped

kuklo the kid is destined to be mr o ,, it doesnt matter as long as he grow little more like the way he is  he will be mr o ,, as long as he can nail the condition to be ok in today standard...he will be me o ,, clean past,, good boy,, from the teens of the npc...was able to gain size to the 260lb + zone...symetric,, proportionate over all ...waist is still not huge on stage...
give it few more years,, 5 years,, and he is mr o

gh15 approved
Well at least we both agree that Kulco is a potential to be a future Mr Olympia.
No comment from me on the drugs needed, that is your dept.
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something.
Post by: Howard on August 02, 2011, 03:06:32 PM

Well, my friend ... as you say, " Time will tell ". That's how I feel about it, Stunt. Again, I wish Steve well. I'm only givin' MY opinion based in what I've seen. Interestingly enough, you say his future pro efforts will, perhaps, motivate him to come in harder ? I don't quite understand that. Are you implying that his past efforts to turn pro weren't good enough ?? That somehow being a pro now will change all of that ?? No. If he can't nail his conditioning NOW, Stunt., then what makes you think he'll be able to nail it in the future when adds more size ?? It will be even harder then. Steve's in a half-way place ... purgatory, if you will. Any direction he moves, physique-wise, may hurt him. Just my opinion though. Again, and again, and again ... we shall see. But I'm RARELY wrong, Stunt.


Btw, diuretics are a hell of a drug. ;) ;)
Every sport has its new phenoms come into the pro ranks and all get debated by every sports pundit and fan.
GH15 , me and others feel Kulco has the goods to be a future Mr O and others (like you)feel Jaun has more potential.
Both sides have good pts but all I know is Kulco is a few major steps closer then Jaun at this point.
Everyone has a perfect right to openly debate and discuss issue on bodybuilding here at getbig.
Nobody is 100% right all the time and we can all learn something new.
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: flinstones1 on August 02, 2011, 03:19:00 PM
 Steve has been through the gabble of bodybuilding drugs at the highest level, I do not see him getting much better than this.


Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: Jaime on August 02, 2011, 03:41:31 PM
He looked smooth and puffed out, average genetics. He will probably win an O regardless.
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: GroinkTropin on August 02, 2011, 04:04:05 PM

No, not pissed. And I understand. :) " Maxed " may not have been the word I was lookin' for, however, I really don't think he can add much more to his frame. That's what I was tryin' to say. Whereas, Juan Morel ... well, HOLY SHIT, the sky's the limit for him, imo. Was studyin' his physique today ( NO HOMO ), in fact. Looks like he could add QUITE a bit more size to his frame. Hell, he NEEDS it in the hams, specifically.

Juan Morel just amazes me when I look at his front/rear biceps shots. His arms are too small and his legs are as well, also really lacks condition in his lower body.
 
Good chance he could have won if he had been working with Hany or Farah. Time will tell though. I will be rooting for him for sure!!!! Also definitely excited to see him compete as a pro- I have been sick of the ifbb herd for a few years now. Like 7 years or so...
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: gh15 on August 02, 2011, 07:59:46 PM
Steve has been through the gabble of bodybuilding drugs at the highest level, I do not see him getting much better than this.




this is something you are very right about,,he been in the epidom of the bodybuild drugs for quite long now,,this is one thing need to take into calculations...but i dont think it wil matter since it doesnt matter with jason lol,, nevr the less! anyone of you fellas can go and see the muscletach add of whatever adds he started doing ..he is pretty much puffed to the max lol another 10 lb and more doses to increase the thickness from within its not going to be much in weight ...if at all but it wil be thickness and fulness that wil increase while condiiton will apear to be better for insulina abuser... it wil be jason ... another 30-40lb offseason and alwys compwting at 260-270

he def can not grow to a show,, too mcuh insulina and gh abuse,, this is one thing troipin ruined,,he ruined his chances to grow into a show... the beggining was a key...and tropipin look was what kuklo the kid looked like...and tropopin look is the worst way to get if bodybuild is your profession,,never the less this is in the past,,he can now do whatevr he can with what ever he has which is pro card

gh15 approved
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: flinstones1 on August 03, 2011, 01:51:04 AM
undoubtedly, Troponin is not only a huge abuser of insulin but he is actually obsessed with the pharmacology of insulin. Trop is just an American version of Milos.

 When  Trop was training Kuclo,  Steve went from 202 to 242 in ONE YEAR of having an offseason with trop. 40lbs in 14-16 months roughly and this was indeed insulin piff up muscle but it still was stage weight. During these times he and Steve would eat 800-1000 carbs per day on their "high carb days" with lots of waxy maize ::) and oats lol.  In my opinion, and I could be wrong according to Dante ::) ...but  Thats not no 750mg test and some deca and lots of protein. Thats not even just insulin. now gh15 doesnt tell you guys how much it really is, but its more insulin than you can even imagine. Not 10iu humalog postworkout.

 On just AAS steve would be playing around in the 220 range.  If you need to abuse insulin when your still practically a damn teenager, you are not going to be a good bodybuilder.. Steve is not some hick from idaho homebrewing his tren and using his homebrew deca made in his mommas basement walking around with 17.5 inch arms at 200 lean...that is good genetics. The thing is good genetics dont always look like good genetics lol and why bad genetics can look like good genetics. Well the face never lies like I always say. Look at Jay..he looks 35 yet Steve looks 45 and is what 15 years less? That shows bad genetics..Steve has a very high probablility of getting sick in my opinion. 25 year old face should still scream health look pro or not.

anyways, Im done with this nobody drug addict. Just not someone I want to make a detailed post about, because he is not special. His genetics is Not different than any one of you on this board... if you were Trop's gay little friend as a teenager and got your hands on some pharm grade sereostim you would look just like Steve, some probably better.
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: Schmoe Buster on August 03, 2011, 02:25:55 AM
undoubtedly, Troponin is not only a huge abuser of insulin but he is actually obsessed with the pharmacology of insulin. Trop is just an American version of Milos.

 When  Trop was training Kuclo,  Steve went from 202 to 242 in ONE YEAR of having an offseason with trop. 40lbs in 14-16 months roughly and this was indeed insulin piff up muscle but it still was stage weight. During these times he and Steve would eat 800-1000 carbs per day on their "high carb days" with lots of waxy maize ::) and oats lol.  In my opinion, and I could be wrong according to Dante ::) ...but  Thats not no 750mg test and some deca and lots of protein. Thats not even just insulin. now gh15 doesnt tell you guys how much it really is, but its more insulin than you can even imagine. Not 10iu humalog postworkout.

 On just AAS steve would be playing around in the 220 range.  If you need to abuse insulin when your still practically a damn teenager, you are not going to be a good bodybuilder.. Steve is not some hick from idaho homebrewing his tren and using his homebrew deca made in his mommas basement walking around with 17.5 inch arms at 200 lean...that is good genetics. The thing is good genetics dont always look like good genetics lol and why bad genetics can look like good genetics. Well the face never lies like I always say. Look at Jay..he looks 35 yet Steve looks 45 and is what 15 years less? That shows bad genetics..Steve has a very high probablility of getting sick in my opinion. 25 year old face should still scream health look pro or not.

anyways, Im done with this nobody drug addict. Just not someone I want to make a detailed post about, because he is not special. His genetics is Not different than any one of you on this board... if you were Trop's gay little friend as a teenager and got your hands on some pharm grade sereostim you would look just like Steve, some probably better.

Good post Bro, hit the nail on the head
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: BikiniSlut on August 03, 2011, 03:14:28 AM
I doubt Kuclo will do anything significant at the pro level.
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something.
Post by: Parker on August 03, 2011, 03:27:12 AM











His physique reminds me of Dennis Newman's kinda.
Dennis Newman
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: gh15 on August 03, 2011, 05:56:45 AM
lol denis newman lol ,, lol i dont knwo if to cry or to laugh ,, kukelo the kid doesnt have DAMN MUSCLE UNDER THAT RUBBER!,, it is blown up from the inside out ...very minimal foundation ,, he immitte jason but jason uad some foundation ,,kukelo the kid ...doesnt have much ,, in this day and age it will be enough though philsulina is same shit,,

comparing denis newman to kukelo the kid,, you fellas are nuts ,,s eriously nuts lol denis newman was MUSCLE ,, the muscle! he only had damn sculpted muscle on his damn frame ,, he looked like a jambo rambo ,, not this ugly rubber puffed shit with no backs

gh15 approved
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: gh15 on August 03, 2011, 05:59:42 AM
LOOK AT DENISE NEWMAN VIDEO! ,, i just looked at it ,, NOW THIS! IS WHAT A COMPETITOR AT TOP LEVEL SHOULD LOOK LIKE! you see that look ,, when i say fibers thats what i mean ,, this is what muscle that is developed look like,, this is what detailed back look like with middle back and lower back and with xmas trees and fibers all over,, this is what bodybuild should look likek!,,  you do understand that no one of the last usa woudl even make top 10! in a usa back 15 years ago right? not even top 10! none of them!

gh15 approved
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: Tito24 on August 03, 2011, 06:15:00 AM
maybe you kinda need to put a bullet in your brains with your new dennis newman, where do these clowns come from?
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something.
Post by: Parker on August 03, 2011, 06:39:31 AM
LOOK AT DENISE NEWMAN VIDEO! ,, i just looked at it ,, NOW THIS! IS WHAT A COMPETITOR AT TOP LEVEL SHOULD LOOK LIKE! you see that look ,, when i say fibers thats what i mean ,, this is what muscle that is developed look like,, this is what detailed back look like with middle back and lower back and with xmas trees and fibers all over,, this is what bodybuild should look likek!,,  you do understand that no one of the last usa woudl even make top 10! in a usa back 15 years ago right? not even top 10! none of them!

gh15 approved
And he was apparently 23-24 yrs old there.
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: jaejonna on August 03, 2011, 07:38:46 AM
New 'pros' these days are a joke, plain and simple....
Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: Natural Man on August 03, 2011, 11:15:04 AM
  ;D




juan has better symetry and aesthetics, more quad sweep, better abs, better lats, better triceps..

Title: Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..
Post by: Natural Man on August 18, 2011, 07:57:11 AM
bump.