Author Topic: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..  (Read 14277 times)

OTHstrong

  • Competitors II
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 14122
  • Jasher
I don't know what the rest of you are seeing but Kuclo won by far, not even close

Howard

  • Competitors
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 15401
I agree steve won (rightfully so/but Juan looked good as well)
bodybuilding is a subjective sport (it's someones opinion of you) you might think Will Harris was 4th place material and i might think he was 1st or 2nd ...whos right?
judging is a tough thankless job imo ....someones always upset at their placing
Hey big Mike A!
Ok just let me add this. When you put the top 5 guys up on stage together at the USA, nobody is going to be so superior it is a complete blow out.
BUT, based on the overall physique Kulco has a clear win here on this day.
Kinda like the finals in the 100m with the top sprinters. A guy can be a "clear winner" and only be 0.1 sec ahead of 2nd place.

Parker

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 53475
  • He Sees The Stormy Anger Of The World
Kuclo's ab-thigh is tell tale sign...he already has that seperation between the abs, which makes the pose look ugly...look for more widening...he won't last long, he'll have abs worse than DJ
and he looks smoother than a glazed donut in the FDB...

Man, the 2011 USA's are a long way from this:
[/youtube]

quadzilla456

  • Time Out
  • Getbig IV
  • *
  • Posts: 3497
  • Getbig!
Juan looks very good. I sure wish they would abandon that bullshit of awarding pro cards. This guy obviously was a top contender at the contest show.

Photos from Flex Magazine online taken by Bill Comstock.

He does look good, I will give him that.

quadzilla456

  • Time Out
  • Getbig IV
  • *
  • Posts: 3497
  • Getbig!
Never ceases to amaze me, just how little people on this site know about how to assess a physique....

Kucklo beats him without question...solid 1-2


Kucklo looked great and had awesome conditioning. The only issue I have with his structure is he has a slightly long torso. He would look better with longer legs. But it is very minor - less than Dennis Wolf I think.

b-boy

  • Getbig III
  • ***
  • Posts: 362
  • Getbig!
whats fucked up is that juan was the second best guy in that whole show and can't get a pro card. he clearly is better than the heavyweight and lightheavyweight winners that turned pro that night.  :'(
team b-boy

gh15

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 16991
  • angels
Kucklo looked great and had awesome conditioning. The only issue I have with his structure is he has a slightly long torso. He would look better with longer legs. But it is very minor - less than Dennis Wolf I think.

this is to all this nonsense tread,, so its more clear,,

over all kuklo the kid deserved the win ,, not by much ,,over all.... that include when you take everything into account ...not only front..

but! the diff ...the reason many of you fellas prefer the other fellas physiqe is ..

kuklo the kid is mostly drugs...with out them he shrink so fast to nothing its not even funny

the other fella wil shrink indeed..he has lots of drugs in him...but unlike kuklo the kid he will shrink and the muscle bellies will stil be ther...he wil be 185lb...but his 185lb will look like 205...clean .... whiel kuklo the kid...will be 180lb and will look 180-185lb ...this the diff,,

one is blown up seriolusly by drugs ,, i mean really average genetic ,,just a fella with good structure and average geentic nothing to write home about...

the other  other one... has better genetic...better over all physiqe ....and is on drugs ofcourse...but just has better shape... as simple as that

in bodybuild...THE BETTER RESPONDER TO DRUGS THAT CAN GET IN BEST CONDITION WINS! ,, THIS IS HOW IT IS ,, WE DONT CARE HOW MUCH DRUGS YOU TAKE...IF YOU CAN BRING DORIAN LIKE CONDITION YOU WIN PERIOD,, KUKLO THE KID NOT EVEN REMOTELY CLSOE TO DORIAN ,,HELL HE IS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO A SECOND TIER PRO FROM THE 90S...BUT! HE WAS THE BEST ON THAT STAGE FROM WHAT WAS GIVEN

gh15 approved
fallen angel

gh15

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 16991
  • angels
I don't know what the rest of you are seeing but Kuclo won by far, not even close

didnt win by far...but won ,,

as i said before

this kid is how do i say this nicely ,, he knwos it he reads it i dont want to get his head in the cloud,, but he read gh15..
this kid is WANTED to be mr o ,, he is the next big coming,, not because i say it here... it is because few reasons i will elaborate on them here

1. he did everything right! from yougn age was running around in the npc teens...was really into competing and papa joe knew and saw,,

2. he won in the teens...he climbed up ala jason and branch,,

3. he is much more humble! than jason ,, much much more sensetive than jason MUCH MORE,, dont tell me how i know i just know,,

4. he has better over all structure than jason

5. he is young enough

6. he is very determined,, look he now try to get olympia qualification ,, may very well get one

7.he is hard worker! yes it is generation of lazys but when he train he put good effort,, he doesnt play around all the time,, sometime,, not al the time he is very serious

8. he is willing to learn ,, he  tend to listen to more experienced bodybuilders,, many lack this quality now day ,,many say they do but dont,, he does

9. he has a good girl..wife

10. he has very supportive parents

it is mr o in the making,, he is also not boring! but physqie where it counts,, over all ,, in this generation wil be enough for mr o ..you can count the years 5 4 3 2 1  2016...

gh15 approved
fallen angel

GroinkTropin

  • Getbig IV
  • ****
  • Posts: 3138
Subjectivity only goes so far...then its a matter of knowing what youre talking about, or having an eye for the subject matter...

No one is saying Juan wasnt good, or that he was "blown away", etc...but anyone who knows physiques, would have no problem picking them 1-2 in Kucklo's favor...

Very much this.

On a side note, though still relevant, Morel is going to KICK ASS as a fucking pro. Unless he gets injured or burned out, dude is just going to CRUSH. That is my prediction. Don't see Kuclo going much further, but time will tell...

quadzilla456

  • Time Out
  • Getbig IV
  • *
  • Posts: 3497
  • Getbig!
didnt win by far...but won ,,

as i said before

this kid is how do i say this nicely ,, he knwos it he reads it i dont want to get his head in the cloud,, but he read gh15..
this kid is WANTED to be mr o ,, he is the next big coming,, not because i say it here... it is because few reasons i will elaborate on them here

1. he did everything right! from yougn age was running around in the npc teens...was really into competing and papa joe knew and saw,,

2. he won in the teens...he climbed up ala jason and branch,,

3. he is much more humble! than jason ,, much much more sensetive than jason MUCH MORE,, dont tell me how i know i just know,,

4. he has better over all structure than jason

5. he is young enough

6. he is very determined,, look he now try to get olympia qualification ,, may very well get one

7.he is hard worker! yes it is generation of lazys but when he train he put good effort,, he doesnt play around all the time,, sometime,, not al the time he is very serious

8. he is willing to learn ,, he  tend to listen to more experienced bodybuilders,, many lack this quality now day ,,many say they do but dont,, he does

9. he has a good girl..wife

10. he has very supportive parents

it is mr o in the making,, he is also not boring! but physqie where it counts,, over all ,, in this generation wil be enough for mr o ..you can count the years 5 4 3 2 1  2016...

gh15 approved
Wow, in this post you actually compliment him. I'd rather have these attributes with slightly worse genetics. Look at Dorian. He did not have the best genetics but rose to the top because of his work ethic and intelligence.

I think you are right. This kid can go far if he sticks to it.

Howard

  • Competitors
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 15401
this is to all this nonsense tread,, so its more clear,,

over all kuklo the kid deserved the win ,, not by much ,,over all.... that include when you take everything into account ...not only front..

but! the diff ...the reason many of you fellas prefer the other fellas physiqe is ..

kuklo the kid is mostly drugs...with out them he shrink so fast to nothing its not even funny

the other fella wil shrink indeed..he has lots of drugs in him...but unlike kuklo the kid he will shrink and the muscle bellies will stil be ther...he wil be 185lb...but his 185lb will look like 205...clean .... whiel kuklo the kid...will be 180lb and will look 180-185lb ...this the diff,,

one is blown up seriolusly by drugs ,, i mean really average genetic ,,just a fella with good structure and average geentic nothing to write home about...

the other  other one... has better genetic...better over all physiqe ....and is on drugs ofcourse...but just has better shape... as simple as that

in bodybuild...THE BETTER RESPONDER TO DRUGS THAT CAN GET IN BEST CONDITION WINS! ,, THIS IS HOW IT IS ,, WE DONT CARE HOW MUCH DRUGS YOU TAKE...IF YOU CAN BRING DORIAN LIKE CONDITION YOU WIN PERIOD,, KUKLO THE KID NOT EVEN REMOTELY CLSOE TO DORIAN ,,HELL HE IS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO A SECOND TIER PRO FROM THE 90S...BUT! HE WAS THE BEST ON THAT STAGE FROM WHAT WAS GIVEN

gh15 approved
Obviously we agree that Kulco had the best physique on stage at the USA!
This "all drugs" crap is getting old GH15. I guess we stay home,  don't lift , eat twinkies and shoot whatever magic potion into our ass cheek and if we respond good, well, we go pro. Yeah...right.  ::)
 Look GH15 , I already know your views and it is a free and open forum. I think your "all drugs" idea  is retarded , but you have the right to post it here at getbig. No sense trying to debate you anymore, I can't win going up against a GOD of hormones. ::)
Suffice to say I think your "all drugs" crap is pretty damn silly and I'll leave it at that.

Howard

  • Competitors
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 15401
didnt win by far...but won ,,

as i said before

this kid is how do i say this nicely ,, he knwos it he reads it i dont want to get his head in the cloud,, but he read gh15..
this kid is WANTED to be mr o ,, he is the next big coming,, not because i say it here... it is because few reasons i will elaborate on them here

1. he did everything right! from yougn age was running around in the npc teens...was really into competing and papa joe knew and saw,,

2. he won in the teens...he climbed up ala jason and branch,,

3. he is much more humble! than jason ,, much much more sensetive than jason MUCH MORE,, dont tell me how i know i just know,,

4. he has better over all structure than jason

5. he is young enough

6. he is very determined,, look he now try to get olympia qualification ,, may very well get one

7.he is hard worker! yes it is generation of lazys but when he train he put good effort,, he doesnt play around all the time,, sometime,, not al the time he is very serious

8. he is willing to learn ,, he  tend to listen to more experienced bodybuilders,, many lack this quality now day ,,many say they do but dont,, he does

9. he has a good girl..wife

10. he has very supportive parents

it is mr o in the making,, he is also not boring! but physqie where it counts,, over all ,, in this generation wil be enough for mr o ..you can count the years 5 4 3 2 1  2016...

gh15 approved
Now that is a good, resonable, thoughtful post  GH15 . Good job.

musclecenter

  • Competitors
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 17228
  • Mr.Taiwan
Judges judge the competitors not by pics and videos like most of us.

BikiniSlut

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 4988
  • I'm dating and love Uncle Junior! Xoxoxo
Yes he deserved to win but the original poster has very valid points. It was not a "sweep". He dominates from the back but from the front he had some serious competition in certain poses.

Nobody is saying he didn't deserve to win.....but it WAS a close contest.

gh15

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 16991
  • angels
Now that is a good, resonable, thoughtful post  GH15 . Good job.

so now forest give gh15 credit points eh?

listen fella,, do you fuckin know how many bodybuild around the world are worshipping every word and letter and mini letter that come out of my mouth? including kuklo the kid!,, i dont care for no fucking money making balonie,, i dont care for no balonie ,, i say the truth,, i say how it is wether you like to hear it or not... im not telling boardings to talk about me ...they do because what i say is the truth...the reason i mentioned every single day in so many boardings for so many years is because I SAY THE WAY IT TRULY IS,, BODYBUILD = ALL DRUGS,, WE ALL KNOW IT ,, REAL BODYBUILDERS KNOW IT!,, that is the reason im always mentioned and always get quotes of mine all over the place

so...i am happy you give me credit points lol but the gh15 name is so strong now day that dumb DUMB is the fella that woudnt make money out of it ...and guess what! i dont ... because i never did it for the money ....i did it for the stavios and for the matt ceesos....and for the dogmas...and for the ones who really needed it which if i put names here it will take 10 pages,, so your credit points...keep them for the heris report...

gh15 approved
fallen angel

Dogma2010

  • Getbig II
  • **
  • Posts: 151
I will say this though. Its a little different when you're competing against these guys and you see them all advancing because you know deep down that you want to do whatever is necessary to move up. Would you honestly say that at this point its more important to be conditioned in the NPC than just have size because I'm thinking 225 at 5'6" is a pretty big guy. How can someone at 5'10" who barely made superheavies at 230 compete with that. I mean do you just take the year off and develop everything or just diet down and make it into the heavyweight class???

i guess I'm asking because I'm seeing that more now where the heavyweight class is guys pretty much under 5'7" now and are barely making the class in the 215 to 220. How can a 5'10" guy do anything giving up inches and being at the exact same weight???



gh15

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 16991
  • angels
its all insulina today ,, they have no condition ,, dont look at their condition lol its blown up from within ,, there is no condition there...something very bad happened to bodybuild last 8-10 years...very very bad

this is not condition ,, not even close to condition ,, it is looking like condition because all of them are about the same...because all do the exact same things....there are bodybuilders now around the world especialy in mideast that wash floor with all this usa balonie,, but then again insulina give you more weight and more fake size...it is very hard to describe in words..because i say fake size and fellas are what do you mean fake size his muscle is bigger...NO ITS NOT...it is not bigger,, they weigh more but not bigger...heavier...bigge r guts...thicker skinnnnnn ....bigger organs from within,, cary more fat from within muscle but not bigger

bodybuild is not exactly where it should be ,, it is at a point where no one can get bigger NO ONE,,heavier yes you can get another 10 lb over jason but thats about it,, it iwl have to go back to the 90s will have to inorder for bodybuild to continue

gh15 approved
fallen angel

Tito24

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 20638
  • I'm a large man but.. one with a plan
yes these bbers look like shit nowadays. cucllo awful bber.




last good real bber

GroinkTropin

  • Getbig IV
  • ****
  • Posts: 3138
Kuclo's ab-thigh is tell tale sign...he already has that seperation between the abs, which makes the pose look ugly...look for more widening...he won't last long, he'll have abs worse than DJ
and he looks smoother than a glazed donut in the FDB...

Man, the 2011 USA's are a long way from this:
[/youtube]


Absolutely the same thing I noticed. Totally agree.

MORTALCOIL

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 7362
I agree steve won (rightfully so/but Juan looked good as well)
bodybuilding is a subjective sport (it's someones opinion of you) you might think Will Harris was 4th place material and i might think he was 1st or 2nd ...whos right?
judging is a tough thankless job imo ....someones always upset at their placing

I agree that getting blown by men is disgusting but remember those judges are gay so to them it's not an ordeal.

OneMoreRep

  • Moderator
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 14167
I agree that getting blown by men is disgusting but remember those judges are gay so to them it's not an ordeal.

So are you saying that getting blown by an NPC competitor is just business as usual for Howard?

Iv'e been an active judge for almost 20 yrs

"1"

MORTALCOIL

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 7362
So are you saying that getting blown by an NPC competitor is just business as usual for Howard?

"1"

Unlike others, you know how to read what's written.

GroinkTropin

  • Getbig IV
  • ****
  • Posts: 3138
I agree that getting blown by men is disgusting but remember those judges are gay so to them it's not an ordeal.

I do not remember being gay as a criteria to becoming a bodybuilding judge. Did I miss something? And when was there a big "coming out" party for the judges? You have proof that they are all gay???

MORTALCOIL

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 7362
I do not remember being gay as a criteria to becoming a bodybuilding judge. Did I miss something? And when was there a big "coming out" party for the judges? You have proof that they are all gay???

That's the best Chick impression so far.

supernick

  • Getbig IV
  • ****
  • Posts: 1607
All I will say again, is that Kulco was the best guy on stage at the USA, a easy winner.

I agree.. I dont know what everyone else is smokin