Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..

[Parker]

it wont matter,, same thing  another 10-15lb ...more mature and its mr o ,,
did you see jason? do you think he deserve any of his titles? do you think he is truly conditioned muscular?,,last time jason was conditioned muscular was 2001...in 2009 it was rubber abused by trenbolona and gh of the highest most refined kind to gether with unheard of doses of equipona of the most refined kind,, was it 2001? hell no it wasnt it ws just a rubber like condition same as philsulina,, not real bodybuilding shredded but blown from the inside out type of ripped

kuklo the kid is destined to be mr o ,, it doesnt matter as long as he grow little more like the way he is  he will be mr o ,, as long as he can nail the condition to be ok in today standard...he will be me o ,, clean past,, good boy,, from the teens of the npc...was able to gain size to the 260lb + zone...symetric,, proportionate over all ...waist is still not huge on stage...
give it few more years,, 5 years,, and he is mr o

gh15 approved

Jay was a product of the 90's, he turned Pro in 1996...diff era, today's SuperHeavies have Pro size, but the Heavies and Light Heavies have way better condition and shape
Kuclo, will not be Mr. O---take a look at that ab-thigh that is the key, it will start spreading, plus he can't nail his condition...

GANSTA, Time will tell.

We are both aware of a good number of new formed Pros who simply pass away into obscurity, but please don't blame my 'kiss of death' if Kuclo does likewise.

 

[apply85]

Dear God of hormones, stop yelling at me, what did you think I meant when I said if you can't get ready for a show in 4 months... when I say genetics I don't ony mean muscle bellies and tight waste, I mean how long it takes you to blow up on steroids to a point where you can compete

[The_Iron_Disciple]

Some REALLY, REALLY good posts in this thread. Not by you though, Howard. Rarely am I impressed by any thread at GetBig, but this particular thread has A LOT on intelligence as well as insight coursing through it's veins.


Anyways, some two months ago or so ( can't remember really ) I started a thread basically stating Kuclo WOULD WIN and I described WHY and HOW. Granted, I received a total of 5 replies or so. Point blank, I feel Kuclo deserved the win this past weekend. There is no issue there for me. My concern is how he'll do in the pro's. And, quite simply, I could care less about this Dallas show comin' up. I want to see how well he'll do a tad bit further down the line. Quad-somethin', can accuse Gangsta bein' a racist, however, this is not about the color of one's skin. GangstaLean is 100 % on point with what he's sayin' ... although, a tad bit harsh with the " donut " comments. LOLOL.


So, what does the Iron Disciple think ?? I think Kuclo's maxed out. Again, I've said this a million times in the past. Not only that, but conditionin' IS an issue for him. Gh15 thinks he'll be Mr. O in the future ... well, who knows ? Like Gh15 says, the current crop of pro's is appalling. I mean Kuclo no harm nor ill will. Just speakin' my mind is all I'm doing. Some REALLY, REALLY good posts in this thread. Not by you though, Howard. Rarely am I impressed by any thread at GetBig, but this particular thread has A LOT on intelligence as well as insight coursing through it's veins.


Anyways, some two months ago or so ( can't remember really ) I started a thread basically stating Kuclo WOULD WIN and I described WHY and HOW. Granted, I received a total of 5 replies or so. Point blank, I feel Kuclo deserved the win this past weekend. There is no issue there for me. My concern is how he'll do in the pro's. And, quite simply, I could care less about this Dallas show comin' up. I want to see how well he'll do a tad bit further down the line. Quad-somethin', can accuse Gangsta bein' a racist, however, this is not about the color of one's skin. GangstaLean is 100 % on point with what he's sayin' ... although, a tad bit harsh with the " donut " comments. LOLOL.


So, what does the Iron Disciple think ?? I think Kuclo's maxed out. Again, I've said this a million times in the past. Not only that, but conditionin' IS an issue for him. Gh15 thinks he'll be Mr. O in the future ... well, who knows ? Like Gh15 says, the current crop of pro's is appalling. I mean Kuclo no harm nor ill will. Just speakin' my mind is all I'm doing.

[stuntmovie]

APPLY, no intent to be disrespectful here but I had a feeling about your limited bodybuilding experience after reading your initial post.

And from what you have so honestly stated (" I have been a fan of bodybuilding since my teenage years, I've never taken steroids or gone to a contest ...... )

And those things you stated are somewhat like conducting a medical examination after graduating from grammar school..

It's good that you are a fan but before you make accusations, you should get a bit more educated about what you claim to know.

Talk is cheap unless you know what you talk about and be honest in discussing it.

[Parker]

Some REALLY, REALLY good posts in this thread. Not by you though, Howard. Rarely am I impressed by any thread at GetBig, but this particular thread has A LOT on intelligence as well as insight coursing through it's veins.


Anyways, some two months ago or so ( can't remember really ) I started a thread basically stating Kuclo WOULD WIN and I described WHY and HOW. Granted, I received a total of 5 replies or so. Point blank, I feel Kuclo deserved the win this past weekend. There is no issue there for me. My concern is how he'll do in the pro's. And, quite simply, I could care less about this Dallas show comin' up. I want to see how well he'll do a tad bit further down the line. Quad-somethin', can accuse Gangsta bein' a racist, however, this is not about the color of one's skin. GangstaLean is 100 % on point with what he's sayin' ... although, a tad bit harsh with the " donut " comments. LOLOL.


So, what does the Iron Disciple think ?? I think Kuclo's maxed out. Again, I've said this a million times in the past. Not only that, but conditionin' IS an issue for him. Gh15 thinks he'll be Mr. O in the future ... well, who knows ? Like Gh15 says, the current crop of pro's is appalling. I mean Kuclo no harm nor ill will. Just speakin' my mind is all I'm doing. Some REALLY, REALLY good posts in this thread. Not by you though, Howard. Rarely am I impressed by any thread at GetBig, but this particular thread has A LOT on intelligence as well as insight coursing through it's veins.


Anyways, some two months ago or so ( can't remember really ) I started a thread basically stating Kuclo WOULD WIN and I described WHY and HOW. Granted, I received a total of 5 replies or so. Point blank, I feel Kuclo deserved the win this past weekend. There is no issue there for me. My concern is how he'll do in the pro's. And, quite simply, I could care less about this Dallas show comin' up. I want to see how well he'll do a tad bit further down the line. Quad-somethin', can accuse Gangsta bein' a racist, however, this is not about the color of one's skin. GangstaLean is 100 % on point with what he's sayin' ... although, a tad bit harsh with the " donut " comments. LOLOL.


So, what does the Iron Disciple think ?? I think Kuclo's maxed out. Again, I've said this a million times in the past. Not only that, but conditionin' IS an issue for him. Gh15 thinks he'll be Mr. O in the future ... well, who knows ? Like Gh15 says, the current crop of pro's is appalling. I mean Kuclo no harm nor ill will. Just speakin' my mind is all I'm doing.

To me, they all looked like glazed donuts...you know what Kevin would say, "They are scared to suffer", to me, all of them look a week out.

And the reason why the current crop is appalling---look to the standards the NPC set, if that garners a Pro card, why not continue...

[gh15]

Jay was a product of the 90's, he turned Pro in 1996...diff era, today's SuperHeavies have Pro size, but the Heavies and Light Heavies have way better condition and shape
Kuclo, will not be Mr. O---take a look at that ab-thigh that is the key, it will start spreading, plus he can't nail his condition...  

go into the bible ,, dig out what gh15 said in 2005 or was it 2006...look at it carefully,, it ws when no one even knew who this kid was...i had to bring him as example because i had to find someone at the age of more fellas to talk about...2011 to the date!  same thing i telling you now....he will become mr o ,,its not because he is SO GOOD,, he is not! ,, it is because the GENERATION IS THAT! BAD! ,, you fellas dont get my point ,, the best out of the worst wins...and he is the best out of the worst,,

gh15 approved

[Stavios]

who would win between the best out of the worst and the worst out of the best ?

[GroinkTropin]

Some REALLY, REALLY good posts in this thread. Not by you though, Howard. Rarely am I impressed by any thread at GetBig, but this particular thread has A LOT on intelligence as well as insight coursing through it's veins.


Anyways, some two months ago or so ( can't remember really ) I started a thread basically stating Kuclo WOULD WIN and I described WHY and HOW. Granted, I received a total of 5 replies or so. Point blank, I feel Kuclo deserved the win this past weekend. There is no issue there for me. My concern is how he'll do in the pro's. And, quite simply, I could care less about this Dallas show comin' up. I want to see how well he'll do a tad bit further down the line. Quad-somethin', can accuse Gangsta bein' a racist, however, this is not about the color of one's skin. GangstaLean is 100 % on point with what he's sayin' ... although, a tad bit harsh with the " donut " comments. LOLOL.


So, what does the Iron Disciple think ?? I think Kuclo's maxed out. Again, I've said this a million times in the past. Not only that, but conditionin' IS an issue for him. Gh15 thinks he'll be Mr. O in the future ... well, who knows ? Like Gh15 says, the current crop of pro's is appalling. I mean Kuclo no harm nor ill will. Just speakin' my mind is all I'm doing. Some REALLY, REALLY good posts in this thread. Not by you though, Howard. Rarely am I impressed by any thread at GetBig, but this particular thread has A LOT on intelligence as well as insight coursing through it's veins.


Anyways, some two months ago or so ( can't remember really ) I started a thread basically stating Kuclo WOULD WIN and I described WHY and HOW. Granted, I received a total of 5 replies or so. Point blank, I feel Kuclo deserved the win this past weekend. There is no issue there for me. My concern is how he'll do in the pro's. And, quite simply, I could care less about this Dallas show comin' up. I want to see how well he'll do a tad bit further down the line. Quad-somethin', can accuse Gangsta bein' a racist, however, this is not about the color of one's skin. GangstaLean is 100 % on point with what he's sayin' ... although, a tad bit harsh with the " donut " comments. LOLOL.


So, what does the Iron Disciple think ?? I think Kuclo's maxed out. Again, I've said this a million times in the past. Not only that, but conditionin' IS an issue for him. Gh15 thinks he'll be Mr. O in the future ... well, who knows ? Like Gh15 says, the current crop of pro's is appalling. I mean Kuclo no harm nor ill will. Just speakin' my mind is all I'm doing.

Kuclo is not maxed out yet.

He is not doing the show he said he would.

He will not win the Olympia.

I didn't read most of what you wrote, though I hope you aren't pissed. Just try to get your ideas out a little quicker for the ADD types like me plz.

[gh15]

To me, they all looked like glazed donuts...you know what Kevin would say, "They are scared to suffer", to me, all of them look a week out.

And the reason why the current crop is appalling---look to the standards the NPC set, if that garners a Pro card, why not continue...

lol kevin ...he just try to make it intersting ,, in reality behind the scene he will tell you that NO MATTER HOW MUCH THEY FUCKIN DIET THEY CANT GET CONDITIOKN!!! they are fulll of insulina ,, you DO NOT GET UP TO 2 5 0 + LB AT 5'8 BARLEY WITH OUT SEVERE ABUSE OF INSULINA... YOU JUST DO NOT! SO YES YOU CAN BE LEAN ..YOU CAN BE RIPPED..WIL YOU LOOK SHREDDED? NEVA EVA !

so they can go eat fish and chips or fish and brokly wont matter,, the insulina make it immposible for them to be shredded ,, i dont get it i talkd about it million times im bible,,

do you thik arnold woudnt be 290lb of this balonie if he used lots of insulina,, arnold 6'1 and few balonies sittign 230lb on stage! ! ! listeo to this numbers again ,, 6' 1 and few balonies.. 2 3 0 lb on stage!  that = 5'10 that go on stage 205-210! ! ! that = 5'7 that go on stage 185-190lb ! ! !  and ! arnold also wasnt that shredded...not much gh involved during thsoe days....but if you take arnold to truly shredded like you could get today on gh and aas...he woud be 220lb on stage...and that = 5'10 200 on stage....and that = 5'7 1 8 0 lb on stage,,

nowo i ask you here pupils....5'7 180lb on stage ...how do you take it up to 5'7 220-230 balonies on stage? you take it there ....WITH ALL TOGETHE NOW....

LOTS
AND LOTS
AND LOTS
AND THEN SOME MORE LOTS

OF A DRUG THAT IS MAINLY USED FOR DIABETICS,, CALLED....


I N S U L I N A


why dont they get fatzos like most insulina fellas that live among society ? because.....1. THEY ABUSE THE SHIT OF GH ...2. THEY TO BEGIN WITH DONT  HAVE DIABETES....


there is no human in the world thaty just walk around like liar priest 250 260 240 5'4 inches lol THIS IS WHY THIS MOTHER FUCKIN DWARF SHOUD BE BURN IN SOME AUSTRALIAN DANGEN WHERE DRAGON REALASE HOT FIRE INTO HIS FACE ..that mothr fuckin liar lied to you all those years about abuse of insulina and hgh ,, allll those years sooo many years,, and you all were liar priest liar priest you are marvelous ,, you are blabloo blalbla...
and then,,
whats then...ummm


oh ya...
god of hormones joined the ride : )

gh15 approved

[apply85]

APPLY, no intent to be disrespectful here but I had a feeling about your limited bodybuilding experience after reading your initial post.

And from what you have so honestly stated (" I have been a fan of bodybuilding since my teenage years, I've never taken steroids or gone to a contest ...... )

And those things you stated are somewhat like conducting a medical examination after graduating from grammar school..

It's good that you are a fan but before you make accusations, you should get a bit more educated about what you claim to know.

Talk is cheap unless you know what you talk about and be honest in discussing it.

I've made no accusations, I've made no statements that require detailed knowledge of hormones such as that Kuclo is maxed out, which other people are saying, I claim to know nothing. Conducting medical exam... lol that is such a bogus metaphor, it is nothing like conducting a medical exam out of grammar school. You claim I'm not educated in the subject, it doesn't take much education. What do you have on me? Years of pinning needles in your ass and shmoeing it up at bodybuilding contests? If that "education" caused you to observe something differently at the contest than what I saw in the pitures, your education has mislead you. And trust me, you're a schmoe, observing bodybuilders from afar then up close, making metaphors of fucking david and goliath lol, please take your metaphors and your pseudo respectful passive aggressive attitude and tuck it neatly in your gym bag and stop replying to my posts, don't let the door hit your mushy schmoe ass on the way out lol

[Parker]

lol kevin ...he just try to make it intersting ,, in reality behind the scene he will tell you that NO MATTER HOW MUCH THEY FUCKIN DIET THEY CANT GET CONDITIOKN!!! they are fulll of insulina ,, you DO NOT GET UP TO 2 5 0 + LB AT 5'8 BARLEY WITH OUT SEVERE ABUSE OF INSULINA... YOU JUST DO NOT! SO YES YOU CAN BE LEAN ..YOU CAN BE RIPPED..WIL YOU LOOK SHREDDED? NEVA EVA !

so they can go eat fish and chips or fish and brokly wont matter,, the insulina make it immposible for them to be shredded ,, i dont get it i talkd about it million times im bible,,

do you thik arnold woudnt be 290lb of this balonie if he used lots of insulina,, arnold 6'1 and few balonies sittign 230lb on stage! ! ! listeo to this numbers again ,, 6' 1 and few balonies.. 2 3 0 lb on stage!  that = 5'10 that go on stage 205-210! ! ! that = 5'7 that go on stage 185-190lb ! ! !  and ! arnold also wasnt that shredded...not much gh involved during thsoe days....but if you take arnold to truly shredded like you could get today on gh and aas...he woud be 220lb on stage...and that = 5'10 200 on stage....and that = 5'7 1 8 0 lb on stage,,

nowo i ask you here pupils....5'7 180lb on stage ...how do you take it up to 5'7 220-230 balonies on stage? you take it there ....WITH ALL TOGETHE NOW....

LOTS
AND LOTS
AND LOTS
AND THEN SOME MORE LOTS

OF A DRUG THAT IS MAINLY USED FOR DIABETICS,, CALLED....


I N S U L I N A


why dont they get fatzos like most insulina fellas that live among society ? because.....1. THEY ABUSE THE SHIT OF GH ...2. THEY TO BEGIN WITH DONT  HAVE DIABETES....


there is no human in the world thaty just walk around like liar priest 250 260 240 5'4 inches lol THIS IS WHY THIS MOTHER FUCKIN DWARF SHOUD BE BURN IN SOME AUSTRALIAN DANGEN WHERE DRAGON REALASE HOT FIRE INTO HIS FACE ..that mothr fuckin liar lied to you all those years about abuse of insulina and hgh ,, allll those years sooo many years,, and you all were liar priest liar priest you are marvelous ,, you are blabloo blalbla...
and then,,
whats then...ummm


oh ya...
god of hormones joined the ride : )

gh15 approved

(pupil) has been put back in line...

[The_Iron_Disciple]

Kuclo is not maxed out yet.

He is not doing the show he said he would.

He will not win the Olympia.

I didn't read most of what you wrote, though I hope you aren't pissed. Just try to get your ideas out a little quicker for the ADD types like me plz.

No, not pissed. And I understand. " Maxed " may not have been the word I was lookin' for, however, I really don't think he can add much more to his frame. That's what I was tryin' to say. Whereas, Juan Morel ... well, HOLY SHIT, the sky's the limit for him, imo. Was studyin' his physique today ( NO HOMO ), in fact. Looks like he could add QUITE a bit more size to his frame. Hell, he NEEDS it in the hams, specifically.

[stuntmovie]

IRON, I think I recall your forecast and I totally agreed even way back then. And I continued to agree with that forecast until the moment Kuclo stepped on that prejudging stage.

And at that moment I started to NOT believe in ya anymore!

And I was a slight bit pissed off at myself for believing in ya in the first place! (My mind does crazy shit like this all the time.)

ANd here is why I lost confidence in ya!

When I first saw Kuclo, I too thought of a "jelly" doughnut and was disappointed because I too had mentioned that he would win his card along with Tamer.

SO I left that hall with disappointment knowing that doughnuts never win and feeling that the 'hamburger patty' Tamer was gonna take the overall while leaving Kuclo  behind in another year of misery as an amateur

In fact those of us up front had the feeling we were in a Krispy Kream factory because all the contenders appeared to deserve the Doughnut King title.

But then 24 hours later a miracle happened and all those 'doughuts' got on  stage for the finals did something right and turned into 'prime beef'  (I wrote about this earlier).

t was an amazing change and each of us up front agreed upon and even I gotta admit that Kuclo and those "right and left guys' looked damn near phenominal and nothing like their earlier appearance.

And I think you inferred that Kuclo cannot improve.

But I have an opposite opinion which I hope proves how damn smart I is.

In my opinion Kuclo looked 'soft' ... maybe 'puffy' is a better term to use,

I think that his future pro efforts will bring him on stage in a much harder condition. Some wise man up front said, "He'll just need a few more dieting days!"

Maybe that is the answer but I gotta leave that up to GH 15 to analyze.

Now .... what's your next prediction for the 2012 USA? I think you've seen that winner somewhere on this board.

[Parker]

IRON, I think I recall your forecast and I totally agreed even way back then. And I continued to agree with that forecast until the moment Kuclo stepped on that prejudging stage.

And at that moment I started to NOT believe in ya anymore!

And I was a slight bit pissed off at myself for believing in ya in the first place! (My mind does crazy shit like this all the time.)

ANd here is why I lost confidence in ya!

When I first saw Kuclo, I too thought of a "jelly" doughnut and was disappointed because I too had mentioned that he would win his card along with Tamer.

SO I left that hall with disappointment knowing that doughnuts never win and feeling that the 'hamburger patty' Tamer was gonna take the overall while leaving Kuclo  behind in another year of misery as an amateur

In fact those of us up front had the feeling we were in a Krispy Kream factory because all the contenders appeared to deserve the Doughnut King title.

But then 24 hours later a miracle happened and all those 'doughuts' got on  stage for the finals did something right and turned into 'prime beef'  (I wrote about this earlier).

t was an amazing change and each of us up front agreed upon and even I gotta admit that Kuclo and those "right and left guys' looked damn near phenominal and nothing like their earlier appearance.

And I think you inferred that Kuclo cannot improve.

But I have an opposite opinion which I hope proves how damn smart I is.

In my opinion Kuclo looked 'soft' ... maybe 'puffy' is a better term to use,

I think that his future pro efforts will bring him on stage in a much harder condition. Some wise man up front said, "He'll just need a few more dieting days!"

Maybe that is the answer but I gotta leave that up to GH 15 to analyze.

Now .... what's your next prediction for the 2012 USA? I think you've seen that winner somewhere on this board.

As I said, that they all looked 5 days out...

[stuntmovie]

Agreed

[LLES]

I think I fucked the above one up cause his trunk number is too low to be in Kuclo's class.

But here's a Kuclo shot.

His physique reminds me of Dennis Newman's kinda.

[The_Iron_Disciple]

IRON, I think I recall your forecast and I totally agreed even way back then. And I continued to agree with that forecast until the moment Kuclo stepped on that prejudging stage.

And at that moment I started to NOT believe in ya anymore!

And I was a slight bit pissed off at myself for believing in ya in the first place! (My mind does crazy shit like this all the time.)

ANd here is why I lost confidence in ya!

When I first saw Kuclo, I too thought of a "jelly" doughnut and was disappointed because I too had mentioned that he would win his card along with Tamer.

SO I left that hall with disappointment knowing that doughnuts never win and feeling that the 'hamburger patty' Tamer was gonna take the overall while leaving Kuclo  behind in another year of misery as an amateur

In fact those of us up front had the feeling we were in a Krispy Kream factory because all the contenders appeared to deserve the Doughnut King title.

But then 24 hours later a miracle happened and all those 'doughuts' got on  stage for the finals did something right and turned into 'prime beef'  (I wrote about this earlier).

t was an amazing change and each of us up front agreed upon and even I gotta admit that Kuclo and those "right and left guys' looked damn near phenominal and nothing like their earlier appearance.

And I think you inferred that Kuclo cannot improve.

But I have an opposite opinion which I hope proves how damn smart I is.

In my opinion Kuclo looked 'soft' ... maybe 'puffy' is a better term to use,

I think that his future pro efforts will bring him on stage in a much harder condition. Some wise man up front said, "He'll just need a few more dieting days!"

Maybe that is the answer but I gotta leave that up to GH 15 to analyze.

Now .... what's your next prediction for the 2012 USA? I think you've seen that winner somewhere on this board.

Well, my friend ... as you say, " Time will tell ". That's how I feel about it, Stunt. Again, I wish Steve well. I'm only givin' MY opinion based in what I've seen. Interestingly enough, you say his future pro efforts will, perhaps, motivate him to come in harder ? I don't quite understand that. Are you implying that his past efforts to turn pro weren't good enough ?? That somehow being a pro now will change all of that ?? No. If he can't nail his conditioning NOW, Stunt., then what makes you think he'll be able to nail it in the future when adds more size ?? It will be even harder then. Steve's in a half-way place ... purgatory, if you will. Any direction he moves, physique-wise, may hurt him. Just my opinion though. Again, and again, and again ... we shall see. But I'm RARELY wrong, Stunt.


Btw, diuretics are a hell of a drug.

[Howard]

it wont matter,, same thing  another 10-15lb ...more mature and its mr o ,,
did you see jason? do you think he deserve any of his titles? do you think he is truly conditioned muscular?,,last time jason was conditioned muscular was 2001...in 2009 it was rubber abused by trenbolona and gh of the highest most refined kind to gether with unheard of doses of equipona of the most refined kind,, was it 2001? hell no it wasnt it ws just a rubber like condition same as philsulina,, not real bodybuilding shredded but blown from the inside out type of ripped

kuklo the kid is destined to be mr o ,, it doesnt matter as long as he grow little more like the way he is  he will be mr o ,, as long as he can nail the condition to be ok in today standard...he will be me o ,, clean past,, good boy,, from the teens of the npc...was able to gain size to the 260lb + zone...symetric,, proportionate over all ...waist is still not huge on stage...
give it few more years,, 5 years,, and he is mr o

gh15 approved

Well at least we both agree that Kulco is a potential to be a future Mr Olympia.
No comment from me on the drugs needed, that is your dept.

[Howard]

Well, my friend ... as you say, " Time will tell ". That's how I feel about it, Stunt. Again, I wish Steve well. I'm only givin' MY opinion based in what I've seen. Interestingly enough, you say his future pro efforts will, perhaps, motivate him to come in harder ? I don't quite understand that. Are you implying that his past efforts to turn pro weren't good enough ?? That somehow being a pro now will change all of that ?? No. If he can't nail his conditioning NOW, Stunt., then what makes you think he'll be able to nail it in the future when adds more size ?? It will be even harder then. Steve's in a half-way place ... purgatory, if you will. Any direction he moves, physique-wise, may hurt him. Just my opinion though. Again, and again, and again ... we shall see. But I'm RARELY wrong, Stunt.


Btw, diuretics are a hell of a drug.

Every sport has its new phenoms come into the pro ranks and all get debated by every sports pundit and fan.
GH15 , me and others feel Kulco has the goods to be a future Mr O and others (like you)feel Jaun has more potential.
Both sides have good pts but all I know is Kulco is a few major steps closer then Jaun at this point.
Everyone has a perfect right to openly debate and discuss issue on bodybuilding here at getbig.
Nobody is 100% right all the time and we can all learn something new.

[flinstones1]

 Steve has been through the gabble of bodybuilding drugs at the highest level, I do not see him getting much better than this.

[Jaime]

He looked smooth and puffed out, average genetics. He will probably win an O regardless.

[GroinkTropin]

No, not pissed. And I understand. " Maxed " may not have been the word I was lookin' for, however, I really don't think he can add much more to his frame. That's what I was tryin' to say. Whereas, Juan Morel ... well, HOLY SHIT, the sky's the limit for him, imo. Was studyin' his physique today ( NO HOMO ), in fact. Looks like he could add QUITE a bit more size to his frame. Hell, he NEEDS it in the hams, specifically.

Juan Morel just amazes me when I look at his front/rear biceps shots. His arms are too small and his legs are as well, also really lacks condition in his lower body.
 
Good chance he could have won if he had been working with Hany or Farah. Time will tell though. I will be rooting for him for sure!!!! Also definitely excited to see him compete as a pro- I have been sick of the ifbb herd for a few years now. Like 7 years or so...

[gh15]

Steve has been through the gabble of bodybuilding drugs at the highest level, I do not see him getting much better than this.

this is something you are very right about,,he been in the epidom of the bodybuild drugs for quite long now,,this is one thing need to take into calculations...but i dont think it wil matter since it doesnt matter with jason lol,, nevr the less! anyone of you fellas can go and see the muscletach add of whatever adds he started doing ..he is pretty much puffed to the max lol another 10 lb and more doses to increase the thickness from within its not going to be much in weight ...if at all but it wil be thickness and fulness that wil increase while condiiton will apear to be better for insulina abuser... it wil be jason ... another 30-40lb offseason and alwys compwting at 260-270

he def can not grow to a show,, too mcuh insulina and gh abuse,, this is one thing troipin ruined,,he ruined his chances to grow into a show... the beggining was a key...and tropipin look was what kuklo the kid looked like...and tropopin look is the worst way to get if bodybuild is your profession,,never the less this is in the past,,he can now do whatevr he can with what ever he has which is pro card

gh15 approved

[flinstones1]

undoubtedly, Troponin is not only a huge abuser of insulin but he is actually obsessed with the pharmacology of insulin. Trop is just an American version of Milos.

 When  Trop was training Kuclo,  Steve went from 202 to 242 in ONE YEAR of having an offseason with trop. 40lbs in 14-16 months roughly and this was indeed insulin piff up muscle but it still was stage weight. During these times he and Steve would eat 800-1000 carbs per day on their "high carb days" with lots of waxy maize and oats lol.  In my opinion, and I could be wrong according to Dante ...but  Thats not no 750mg test and some deca and lots of protein. Thats not even just insulin. now gh15 doesnt tell you guys how much it really is, but its more insulin than you can even imagine. Not 10iu humalog postworkout.

 On just AAS steve would be playing around in the 220 range.  If you need to abuse insulin when your still practically a damn teenager, you are not going to be a good bodybuilder.. Steve is not some hick from idaho homebrewing his tren and using his homebrew deca made in his mommas basement walking around with 17.5 inch arms at 200 lean...that is good genetics. The thing is good genetics dont always look like good genetics lol and why bad genetics can look like good genetics. Well the face never lies like I always say. Look at Jay..he looks 35 yet Steve looks 45 and is what 15 years less? That shows bad genetics..Steve has a very high probablility of getting sick in my opinion. 25 year old face should still scream health look pro or not.

anyways, Im done with this nobody drug addict. Just not someone I want to make a detailed post about, because he is not special. His genetics is Not different than any one of you on this board... if you were Trop's gay little friend as a teenager and got your hands on some pharm grade sereostim you would look just like Steve, some probably better.

[Schmoe Buster]

undoubtedly, Troponin is not only a huge abuser of insulin but he is actually obsessed with the pharmacology of insulin. Trop is just an American version of Milos.

 When  Trop was training Kuclo,  Steve went from 202 to 242 in ONE YEAR of having an offseason with trop. 40lbs in 14-16 months roughly and this was indeed insulin piff up muscle but it still was stage weight. During these times he and Steve would eat 800-1000 carbs per day on their "high carb days" with lots of waxy maize and oats lol.  In my opinion, and I could be wrong according to Dante ...but  Thats not no 750mg test and some deca and lots of protein. Thats not even just insulin. now gh15 doesnt tell you guys how much it really is, but its more insulin than you can even imagine. Not 10iu humalog postworkout.

 On just AAS steve would be playing around in the 220 range.  If you need to abuse insulin when your still practically a damn teenager, you are not going to be a good bodybuilder.. Steve is not some hick from idaho homebrewing his tren and using his homebrew deca made in his mommas basement walking around with 17.5 inch arms at 200 lean...that is good genetics. The thing is good genetics dont always look like good genetics lol and why bad genetics can look like good genetics. Well the face never lies like I always say. Look at Jay..he looks 35 yet Steve looks 45 and is what 15 years less? That shows bad genetics..Steve has a very high probablility of getting sick in my opinion. 25 year old face should still scream health look pro or not.

anyways, Im done with this nobody drug addict. Just not someone I want to make a detailed post about, because he is not special. His genetics is Not different than any one of you on this board... if you were Trop's gay little friend as a teenager and got your hands on some pharm grade sereostim you would look just like Steve, some probably better.

Good post Bro, hit the nail on the head