Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..

[Parker]

take a look at his ab-thigh, you will be talking about how his abs will continually spread aprt and have that weird ass wide gap...his ab sot will continually look busted and there is nothing he can do about it...

Glazed Donuts eventually go stale.

[Meso_z]

close call and angle favor the negro

[kevcat]

Whos the guy on the far right as youre lookin at the pic? His back muscles are insane in the RDB 

[MB]

Yes he deserved to win but the original poster has very valid points. It was not a "sweep". He dominates from the back but from the front he had some serious competition in certain poses.

Nobody is saying he didn't deserve to win.....but it WAS a close contest.

See thread title ---->  Re: Kuclo did not deserve to win unless "paying your dues" counts for something..

[flinstones1]

 




juan has better symetry and aesthetics, more quad sweep, better abs, better lats, better triceps..

[/b]

shows you how impressive Juan really is cause triceps are Steve's biggest strength

[Howard]

so now forest give gh15 credit points eh?

listen fella,, do you fuckin know how many bodybuild around the world are worshipping every word and letter and mini letter that come out of my mouth? including kuklo the kid!,, i dont care for no fucking money making balonie,, i dont care for no balonie ,, i say the truth,, i say how it is wether you like to hear it or not... im not telling boardings to talk about me ...they do because what i say is the truth...the reason i mentioned every single day in so many boardings for so many years is because I SAY THE WAY IT TRULY IS,, BODYBUILD = ALL DRUGS,, WE ALL KNOW IT ,, REAL BODYBUILDERS KNOW IT!,, that is the reason im always mentioned and always get quotes of mine all over the place

so...i am happy you give me credit points lol but the gh15 name is so strong now day that dumb DUMB is the fella that woudnt make money out of it ...and guess what! i dont ... because i never did it for the money ....i did it for the stavios and for the matt ceesos....and for the dogmas...and for the ones who really needed it which if i put names here it will take 10 pages,, so your credit points...keep them for the heris report...

gh15 approved

Hot damn dude, I was trying to give you a sincere compliment for a good post.
Get paranoid and  defensive much?!

[Howard]

So are you saying that getting blown by an NPC competitor is just business as usual for Howard?

"1"

Not my scene , sorry fellas. You folks seem to be obssessed with the issue , not me.

[epic_alien]

front double bicep is the most important pose in bodybuilding and kuclo is getting raped in it

i thought you knew bodybuilding? you dont see or understand that kuclo is harder and bigger? and that when he turns around his hamstrings and everything else is much harder and on top of it bigger? you dont understand that kuclo has quad separation and size the black guy doesnt have?

i thought you studied bodybuilding.

[stuntmovie]

Epic ... Kuclo was definitely BIGGER but no way HARDER.

First Row Opinion. (And I have more 'time in grade' than Howard, but time in grade doesn't make me a better judge by any means).

I also gotta agree with BOMZ but only for the following reason ....

I was busy taking photos with a cheap ass camera while taking with friends (IFBB pros) and family members in the surrounding area as well as husbands and wives and moms and dads of some of the competing contenders, so I wasn't seeing this event in a 'Judging Capacity'

BUT

I did leave after the Men's Bodybuilding Prejudging was over thinking that Kuclo just might have a tough time taking the title even though everyone expected him to win it.

In my humble opinion I did not think that Kuclo was at his best for this event but I seemed to be the only one who thought that way.

In my mind it was a toss up between the contenders in that photo to Kuclo's left and right.

But I proceeded to write off my opinion due to the fact that I was busy socializing and shooting pictures with a cheap ass camera that took forever to warm up between  shots.

Interesting to note that Bomz felt somewhat the same way about what only a couple of others in that auditorium felt.

And include me in.

Departing recommendation - Never judge a contest by a photograph unless you are judging the Best Photograph.  And ... Never judge a contest if you are seated 10 feet behind the judges' bench.

You're seeing a different contact 'back thar'.

[apply85]

Conditioning has always been the most important thing. Also, if you're actually a good bodybuilder, you don't need a year to prepare for a contest. Look at Arnold, look at Kevin, they took months to get into condition because they had the courage to go straight to high doses... I think a lot of people fool around with low doses and think they gotta do a year at 500ml of test cyp per week before they can jump onto higher doses, but this is baloney. The guys like Kuclo who need 5 years to become pros aren't good bodybuilders, they have to have years to do it because they aren't genetically gifted... they're bodybuilders, but not good bodybuilders.. good bodybuilders are people like kevin who walk around at 195 and look better than guys who are 30 pounds heavier. This is the essence of bodybuilding... if you can't get ready for a contest in 4 months, you shouldn't really be bodybuilding. Doesn't mean you won't have success, look at Jay and Warren, but that success has to be given to. People like Arnold and Kevin and Ronnie couldn't be denied, the IFBB could have hated them and they would still have success, people like Kuclo are people's pets, they are the pets of weider and if they have any success at all, it's because they kissed ass and got chosen, they are beggars not choosers

[quadzilla456]

Epic ... Kuclo was definitely BIGGER but no way HARDER.

First Row Opinion. (And I have more 'time in grade' than Howard, but time in grade doesn't make me a better judge by any means).

I also gotta agree with BOMZ but only for the following reason ....

I was busy taking photos with a cheap ass camera while taking with friends (IFBB pros) and family members in the surrounding area as well as husbands and wives and moms and dads of some of the competing contenders, so I wasn't seeing this event in a 'Judging Capacity'

BUT

I did leave after the Men's Bodybuilding Prejudging was over thinking that Kuclo just might have a tough time taking the title even though everyone expected him to win it.

In my humble opinion I did not think that Kuclo was at his best for this event but I seemed to be the only one who thought that way.

In my mind it was a toss up between the contenders in that photo to Kuclo's left and right.

But I proceeded to write off my opinion due to the fact that I was busy socializing and shooting pictures with a cheap ass camera that took forever to warm up between  shots.

Interesting to note that Bomz felt somewhat the same way about what only a couple of others in that auditorium felt.

And include me in.

Departing recommendation - Never judge a contest by a photograph unless you are judging the Best Photograph.  And ... Never judge a contest if you are seated 10 feet behind the judges' bench.

You're seeing a different contact 'back thar'.

Definitely not the guy on the left. He does not look more impressive. The guy on the right (Juan) is good but Steve beats them imo.

[quadzilla456]

Conditioning has always been the most important thing. Also, if you're actually a good bodybuilder, you don't need a year to prepare for a contest. Look at Arnold, look at Kevin, they took months to get into condition because they had the courage to go straight to high doses... I think a lot of people fool around with low doses and think they gotta do a year at 500ml of test cyp per week before they can jump onto higher doses, but this is baloney. The guys like Kuclo who need 5 years to become pros aren't good bodybuilders, they have to have years to do it because they aren't genetically gifted... they're bodybuilders, but not good bodybuilders.. good bodybuilders are people like kevin who walk around at 195 and look better than guys who are 30 pounds heavier. This is the essence of bodybuilding... if you can't get ready for a contest in 4 months, you shouldn't really be bodybuilding. Doesn't mean you won't have success, look at Jay and Warren, but that success has to be given to. People like Arnold and Kevin and Ronnie couldn't be denied, the IFBB could have hated them and they would still have success, people like Kuclo are people's pets, they are the pets of weider and if they have any success at all, it's because they kissed ass and got chosen, they are beggars not choosers

No, you're smoking crack. Look at Kuclo's calves. They are actually the best in the business right now. They make Jay's look small. He has good genetics no doubt. So what if it took him longer to get there - he is still 26. It did not take that long after all.

[stuntmovie]

Apply, You'd be an interesting person to discuss the essence of what you stated above due to the fact that you appear to have some intelligence about the subject matter as well as deep concern; but you have offered some comments that are definitely incorrect - especially down there towards the end.

There  are many good people on this GetBig Board who offer inaccurate assumptions and non-observed 'observations' ... so I'd like to ask you how many years you have been involved and what that involvement consisted of. Also where were you seated when Kuclo won?

Thanks, Apply and respectfully submitted .... Stunt

[stuntmovie]

Is this the "guy on the left"?

Trouble posting the correct photo because they are too damn small to see when time is of the essence.

[Stavios]

who is that fella

[stuntmovie]

I think I fucked the above one up cause his trunk number is too low to be in Kuclo's class.

But here's a Kuclo shot.

[Parker]

Apply, You'd be an interesting person to discuss the essence of what you stated above due to the fact that you appear to have some intelligence about the subject matter as well as deep concern; but you have offered some comments that are definitely incorrect - especially down there towards the end.

There  are many good people on this GetBig Board who offer inaccurate assumptions and non-observed 'observations' ... so I'd like to ask you how many years you have been involved and what that involvement consisted of. Also where were you seated when Kuclo won?

Thanks, Apply and respectfully submitted .... Stunt

If you are talking about calves---Fankhouser and Big Ben are 5 notches above Kuclo the Glazed Donut

[stuntmovie]

Bomz, let me add this one dumb statement for what it's worth.

When I was in the last row of the auditorium and saw the initial line of Kuclo's class, Kuclo made eveyone in that lineup look 'miget-terry'.

Kuclo was Goliath but I thought I saw David as I got closer.

And "Yep!" he was there but apparently he forgot his sling-shot.

At your next contest run to the back of the auditorium and judge the first three in that initial lineup and then run up front and do it again.

You'll see two very different score sheets.

And that's usually the main reason why we all want to argue about these contest outcomes and cry 'rape' and 'politics' and  make adverse comments that only exist without our own minds.

Another big reason is that we are photo judges extraordinaire.

[roccoginge]

Damn sprinters calves!

[BILL ANVIL]

Iv'e been an active judge for almost 20 yrs and can tell you that Kulco at this yrs  USA is the clear winner.
He had by far the best combination of size, shape and muscularity, etc.
This one wasn't that close.
Everyone is welcome to their opinion, but , if you can't see him as the clear winner, you don't know much about they way a contest should be judged.

My friend, genetics play a huge roll in what a proper bodybuilding physique should look like. And the guy to his right just has "it."
Size, muscularity, and conditioning don't mean jack sh!t if you dont have the proper structure and inherent shape to put in on.

[Parker]

Bomz, let me add this one dumb statement for what it's worth.

When I was in the last row of the auditorium and saw the initial line of Kuclo's class, Kuclo made eveyone in that lineup look 'miget-terry'.

Kuclo was Goliath but I thought I saw David as I got closer.

And "Yep!" he was there but apparently he forgot his sling-shot.

At your next contest run to the back of the auditorium and judge the first three in that initial lineup and then run up front and do it again.

You'll see two very different score sheets.

And that's usually the main reason why we all want to argue about these contest outcomes and cry 'rape' and 'politics' and  make adverse comments that only exist without our own minds.

Another big reason is that we are photo judges extraordinaire.

And you know what---you just gave the kiss of death to Kuclo's career....because, he has nowhere to go, nothing to refine. The Superheavies tend to not allow the new Pros to "grow" into their bodies, as they are already maxed out...it's almost like they are semi-pros, in a sense.

[apply85]

Thanks, Apply and respectfully submitted .... Stunt

I have been a fan of bodybuilding since my teenage years, I've never taken steroids or gone to a contest, those things are unnecessary to say what I have said.

I'm not saying Kuclo has bad genetics, I'm saying he's pretty much nothing special in bodybuilding. I knew this before I saw this contest, I knew this after I saw it. To the guy who said his calves are the best in the business... this is what is said about white guys who can't compete with the blacks. He does not have the best anything in the business, all he can be is a mass monster, which proves that he is not good. He is only ok. Guys who are good look good with less muscle.

People who are in power prefer this type of person because this type of person is willing to do anything for a handout. Weider doesn't want another Arnold because Arnold transcended bodybuilding, he was bigger than Weider. What he wants is what he has gotten with today's bodybuilders. Take a look at pics of him with his "athletes", it looks like Hefner with his playmates. If you wonder why there are no more personalities in bodybuilding, it's because the people who run bodybuilding don't want personalities, they want pets, and that's what they have now. This is why they gave Jay and Warren Mr o, because they saw what horrible things they put themselves through for their approval, and they rewarded that behavior in order to communicate to future bodybulders that this is what you must do, you must submit

[gh15]

And you know what---you just gave the kiss of death to Kuclo's career....because, he has nowhere to go, nothing to refine. The Superheavies tend to not allow the new Pros to "grow" into their bodies, as they are already maxed out...it's almost like they are semi-pros, in a sense.

it wont matter,, same thing  another 10-15lb ...more mature and its mr o ,,
did you see jason? do you think he deserve any of his titles? do you think he is truly conditioned muscular?,,last time jason was conditioned muscular was 2001...in 2009 it was rubber abused by trenbolona and gh of the highest most refined kind to gether with unheard of doses of equipona of the most refined kind,, was it 2001? hell no it wasnt it ws just a rubber like condition same as philsulina,, not real bodybuilding shredded but blown from the inside out type of ripped

kuklo the kid is destined to be mr o ,, it doesnt matter as long as he grow little more like the way he is  he will be mr o ,, as long as he can nail the condition to be ok in today standard...he will be me o ,, clean past,, good boy,, from the teens of the npc...was able to gain size to the 260lb + zone...symetric,, proportionate over all ...waist is still not huge on stage...
give it few more years,, 5 years,, and he is mr o

gh15 approved

[gh15]

I have been a fan of bodybuilding since my teenage years, I've never taken steroids or gone to a contest, those things are unnecessary to say what I have said.

I'm not saying Kuclo has bad genetics, I'm saying he's pretty much nothing special in bodybuilding. I knew this before I saw this contest, I knew this after I saw it. To the guy who said his calves are the best in the business... this is what is said about white guys who can't compete with the blacks. He does not have the best anything in the business, all he can be is a mass monster, which proves that he is not good. He is only ok. Guys who are good look good with less muscle.

People who are in power prefer this type of person because this type of person is willing to do anything for a handout. Weider doesn't want another Arnold because Arnold transcended bodybuilding, he was bigger than Weider. What he wants is what he has gotten with today's bodybuilders. Take a look at pics of him with his "athletes", it looks like Hefner with his playmates. If you wonder why there are no more personalities in bodybuilding, it's because the people who run bodybuilding don't want personalities, they want pets, and that's what they have now. This is why they gave Jay and Warren Mr o, because they saw what horrible things they put themselves through for their approval, and they rewarded that behavior in order to communicate to future bodybulders that this is what you must do, you must submit

dorian was nothing special either...

IT IS THE ABUSE OF HORMONES WHO GET YOU UP IF YOUR GENETIC REPOND IS GOOD ENOUGH AND YOU CAN MAINTAIN PROPORTION AND OFCOURSE BORN SYMETRIC TO BEGIN WITH ,, EVEN THE SYMETRY ON JASON IS FUCKED UP AND HE GOT 4 TITLES LOL

ITS ALL ABOUT YOU ABILITY TO RESPOND TO DRUGS VERY WELL AND PULL IT OFF! GET IT IN YOUR HEAD,, YOU CAN DO DELTS IN THE GYM FROM NOW TILL 2020 AND IF YOURE NOT ON GH AND TESTOSTERONA IN HIGH DOSES...BOTH OF THEM INADDITION TO GOOD EQ... YOU WILL NOT HAVE HUGE CUPPED DELTS THAT SCREAM OUT LIKE AIRPLANE WINGS WITH 2 CANONS ATTACHED TO THEM,, YOU JUST WONT AND YOU CAN LIFT YOUR MAMA AND PAPA AND YOUR KITTEN ALL TOGETHER ON YOUR SHOULDER IT WONT MATTER,, INFACT YOU CAN COMPLETELY DONT WORK DELTS ...IF YOU HAVE NO TESTOSTERONA IN BLOOD I WOUDNT EVEN WORK DELTS...

gh15 approved

[stuntmovie]

GANSTA, Time will tell.

We are both aware of a good number of new formed Pros who simply pass away into obscurity, but please don't blame my 'kiss of death' if Kuclo does likewise.