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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Xerxes on August 04, 2011, 06:47:18 AM
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Thread title says it all, curious to see what getbiggers think. I bet a whole bunch of you started roiding right away, yet still talk about building a "natural base" ::)
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I was able to rep 225 on the bench and 315 squat before I started.
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I was able to rep 225 on the bench and 315 squat before I started.
How many reps, and what about the deadlift & military press?
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when u hit 225 for 20 reps on the bench hit the juice man
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I started juicing even before I could walk...
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How many reps, and what about the deadlift & military press?
I don't fucken know man. Once your 21 and you've been training hard for a few years go ahead and start.
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I started juicing even before I could walk...
That's not good, bro. Kids shouldn't juice until 7 years old. Bad for teeth.
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I don't fucken know man. Once your 21 and you've been training hard for a few years go ahead and start.
I'm just now starting to train good and not like an unstructured lazy homo, anyway I'll keep at it for a 2 years or so before diving in but just curious to see what you guys think.
I have friends who barely trained , juiced and then suddenly had a 315lb bench, unfair >:(
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Thread title says it all, curious to see what getbiggers think. I bet a whole bunch of you started roiding right away, yet still talk about building a "natural base" ::)
For bodybuilding??
None at all, who gives a fuck how strong you are/??
Train for 3-5 years until you know your body and then hit the juice hard.
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For bodybuilding??
None at all, who gives a fuck how strong you are/??
Train for 3-5 years until you know your body and then hit the juice hard.
This^^
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For bodybuilding??
None at all, who gives a fuck how strong you are/??
Train for 3-5 years until you know your body and then hit the juice hard.
Not really for bodybuilding purposes, more for your own self-respect :D. Didn't GH15 say the earlier the better? Didn't Arnold start @ 15? Priest @ 14? ;D
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Kids have to learn about reality sooner or later? ??? ;D
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Kids have to learn about reality sooner or later? ??? ;D
ta lite stäråider och kör hårt! kör bara 30mg dbol ed i 5-6 veckor första =)
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For bodybuilding??
None at all, who gives a fuck how strong you are/??
Train for 3-5 years until you know your body and then hit the juice hard.
Truth right here^
.....wait till your mid 20's.
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ta lite stäråider och kör hårt! kör bara 30mg dbol ed i 5-6 veckor första =)
Jeg vil ikke se ut som en oppblåst vannbalong ;D, hvis jeg først skal kjøre så kjører jeg ordentlig ;). Det blir en stund til, jeg er altfor svak nå ;D.
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Jeg vil ikke se ut som en oppblåst vannbalong ;D, hvis jeg først skal kjøre så kjører jeg ordentlig ;). Det blir en stund til, jeg er altfor svak nå ;D.
Sköter du kosten blir du ingen ballong. Bara av Massa carbs. Vissa har bra respons på bara dbol. Kan va bra att veta hur du reagerar på olika saker.
Om du vill köra inject direkt så fixa lite testo prop och kör 100/150mg eod i 5-6 veckor =) och lite nolva eller clomid om det skulle bli lite känningar i boobsen. Kommer känna av det på dag 2-3. istället för 4 fucking veckor.
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Sköter du kosten blir du ingen ballong. Bara av Massa carbs. Vissa har bra respons på bara dbol. Kan va bra att veta hur du reagerar på olika saker.
Om du vill köra inject direkt så fixa lite testo prop och kör 100/150mg eod i 5-6 veckor =) och lite nolva eller clomid om det skulle bli lite känningar i boobsen. Kommer känna av det på dag 2-3. istället för 4 fucking veckor.
Ikke frist meg! ;D
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ta lite stäråider och kör hårt! kör bara 30mg dbol ed i 5-6 veckor första =)
What does the word stäråider mean, Swede ?
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What does the word stäråider mean, Swede ?
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MINIMUM:
YOU CAN BE CONSISTENT WITH TRAINING
YOU CAN BE CONSISTENT WITH EATING
YOU CAN AFFORD THE NON-STOP USES OF ANABOLICS AND/OR GH
YOU CAN PARTY WITHOUT DRUGS/ALCOHOL
IF THOSE CONDITIONS ARE MET, GO BALLS DEEP.
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(http://i.imgur.com/ZtXzE.jpg)
Then I guess it's just steroids...
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Then I guess it's just steroids...
haha yeah, I typed it so so one could google translate it for teh lulz, its "Steroider" in swedish
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Strength varies to much to say. I'm a twink and i lift very heavy, it's part of the reason i want to stay natty to see what the limit is. It also depends on your goals, i don't like the overly juiced up look, so when i do go on in a few years, i would be looking at low dose test, var, hgh. If it's just a visual pursuit of a certain physique you might as well jump on now if you have the cash. It doesn't affect your ceiling, most pros are on in their early teens, it will affect what you go down to should you go off. Naturals who have paid their dues in the gym for years keep muscle far better regardless of circumstance.
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Strength varies to much to say. I'm a twink and i lift very heavy, it's part of the reason i want to stay natty to see what the limit is. It also depends on your goals, i don't like the overly juiced up look, so when i do go on in a few years, i would be looking at low dose test, var, hgh. If it's just a visual pursuit of a certain physique you might as well jump on now if you have the cash. It doesn't affect your ceiling, most pros are on in their early teens, it will affect what you go down to should you go off. Naturals who have paid their dues in the gym for years keep muscle far better regardless of circumstance.
Good advice! So you're the twink white Serge Nubret ;D :D?
Something like this dude is my goal
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Good advice! So you're the twink white Serge Nubret ;D :D?
Something like this dude is my goal
So this is what Musclecenter on gear looks like....
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pretty much perfection. Not too big that you become a slow paces handicapped person, but not too msall either.
Perfect size and still athletic. (slight homo)
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I know a guy who is jucing and looks great, but still cant bench press for shit. Strength doesnt matter if you plan to bodybuild. Weight is just a tool to stimulate the muscle growth.
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Never used and naturally able to do the following for a few reps:
Bench 485
Hack Squat 800
Military Press 330
Lying Extension 265
Db Curl 100s
Db Hammer Curls 105s
Bent Over Rows 405
Db Side Laterals 85s
Db Front Laterals 90s
Deads and Squats I don't care for, but I've done sets of 405 for 12 on deads and few reps of 550 on squats.
Now these are some of my best lifts, but all done without bb chemicals.....took years and years of training to get there.
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Ikke frist meg! ;D
jeg ikke forstå vad du mener =(
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I know a guy who is jucing and looks great, but still cant bench press for shit. Strength doesnt matter if you plan to bodybuild. Weight is just a tool to stimulate the muscle growth.
:'(
THATD BE ME.MY FLAT BENCH IS REAL WEAK, I JUST DO DECLINE PRESSES THOUGH...MY CHEST GROWS FROM THT THOUGH MY WEAKEST BODY PART BESIDES BICEPS.
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Never used and naturally able to do the following for a few reps:
Bench 485
Hack Squat 800
Military Press 330
Lying Extension 265
Db Curl 100s
Db Hammer Curls 105s
Bent Over Rows 405
Db Side Laterals 85s
Db Front Laterals 90s
Deads and Squats I don't care for, but I've done sets of 405 for 12 on deads and few reps of 550 on squats.
Now these are some of my best lifts, but all done without bb chemicals.....took years and years of training to get there.
Holy shit :o, fucking monster ! I don't think its reasonable to for a 150lb guy like me to ever come close to that
jeg ikke forstå vad du mener =(
It means "don't tempt me".. uff, jævla svensker :D
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Good advice! So you're the twink white Serge Nubret ;D :D?
Something like this dude is my goal
Yep I'm like 170 at 6'1...twink status brother. Training has added a lot of detail and shape to my body but i need to add mass. Want to get to about 190 at 6% then see where i'm at. Sort of similar situation, you have good lines and structure but need mass too. I Will very likely jump on the juice in about 18 months just for the density and muscle quality, just final polish. What's your bodyfat Xerses i walk around at about 7-8 it's probably better to eat like a pig when bulking lol.
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Holy shit :o, fucking monster ! I don't think its reasonable to for a 150lb guy like me to ever come close to that
It means "don't tempt me".. uff, jævla svensker :D
I don't post it to brag, but to illustrate that you don't have to use to get stronger. You want freaky, competitive muscular size you'll need the juice; still, you can grow without it.
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Nice lifts mos.
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I don't post it to brag, but to illustrate that you don't have to have use to get stronger. You want freaky, competitive muscular size you'll need the juice; still, you can grow without it.
I see, thanks for good advice. I want to reach a certain strength level before I start just for my self respect ;D.
Yep I'm like 170 at 6'1...twink status brother. Training has added a lot of detail and shape to my body but i need to add mass. Want to get to about 190 at 6% then see where i'm at. Sort of similar situation, you have good lines and structure but need mass too. I Will very likely jump on the juice in about 18 months just for the density and muscle quality, just final polish. What's your bodyfat Xerses i walk around at about 7-8 it's probably better to eat like a pig when bulking lol.
Right now I have veins on my stomach but still a small pouch on my lower abs, my quads get lean quick.. I think I'm at maybe 9-8% now, I'm dieting slowly so it wont affect my strength levels.
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Never used and naturally able to do the following for a few reps:
Bench 485
Hack Squat 800
Military Press 330
Lying Extension 265
Db Curl 100s
Db Hammer Curls 105s
Bent Over Rows 405
Db Side Laterals 85s
Db Front Laterals 90s
Deads and Squats I don't care for, but I've done sets of 405 for 12 on deads and few reps of 550 on squats.
Now these are some of my best lifts, but all done without bb chemicals.....took years and years of training to get there.
Any videos of these monstrous lifts? :D
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Holy shit :o, fucking monster ! I don't think its reasonable to for a 150lb guy like me to ever come close to that
It means "don't tempt me".. uff, jævla svensker :D
Oh, I thought that would be like "freste" or something lol.
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So this is what Musclecenter on gear looks like....
Incidently, that clip is just a teaser from his video, "1922-1927; Musclecenter's Competitive Years"
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MOS destroying the tiny tits with the Hand of God in this thread.
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MOS destroying the tiny tits with the Hand of God in this thread.
AHAHAAHAH!!! Preach on brother Chaos!!
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Any videos of these monstrous lifts? :D
None that I'm aware of with exception of one gym video I was on. In the video one guy was lifting weights being filmed by another guy and the guy filming told me he got his buddy lifting and me scratchin my butt.....I can see if that video is available.
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Thread title says it all, curious to see what getbiggers think. I bet a whole bunch of you started roiding right away, yet still talk about building a "natural base" ::)
i could bench deadlift 405 for one, 315 for 8.. leg press 1200lbs for 12.. shoulder press the 90's for 12.. bench 205 for 10..
but once you juice and getbiiger youll continually learn how to better isolate muscle groups (bigger muscles are easier to isolate and contract) and each time your form improves the weights will drop... i really dont lift too much more weight than i used to... but now my form is extremely strict and the target muscle is doing 100% of the work..
as far as juicing goes.. the sooner the better, the longer you stay on the bigger youll get
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i do think its good to have a few yrs natural under your belt, especialy if you start young.....
i think unless you have the worst genes in the world, you should be able to squat 3 plates for reps and bench at least 2 plates for reps before u start...you should have a good base by then
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i could bench deadlift 405 for one, 315 for 8.. leg press 1200lbs for 12.. shoulder press the 90's for 12.. bench 205 for 10..
but once you juice and getbiiger youll continually learn how to better isolate muscle groups (bigger muscles are easier to isolate and contract) and each time your form improves the weights will drop... i really dont lift too much more weight than i used to... but now my form is extremely strict and the target muscle is doing 100% of the work..
as far as juicing goes.. the sooner the better, the longer you stay on the bigger youll get
I'm waiting till I reach about that till I start, how much was you military with a bb?
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400 lb bench 500 squat 565 dl or why even bother.
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I started juicing before I could bench 225 lol. :-* Hell I started juicing before I started weight training.
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I started juicing before I could bench 225 lol. :-* Hell I started juicing before I started weight training.
Hi Billy guns? Phil heat? Markus ruhl? Liar priest?
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Hi Billy guns? Phil heat? Markus ruhl? Liar priest?
I am the poster boy for "all drugs" .. I miss workouts ALL the time, I eat like shit as long as i get lots of protein in im good, I never go over 2 plates a side on incline, havent squatted in ages, never deadlift, train back once a week usually a couple sets of lat pulldowns or machine rows. I never do barbell rows or any of that crap :D. The only reason I go to the gym is to look at women and get my moneys worth from my drugs. No weight training and drugs dont work their magic obviously.
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no offense guys but swedish sounds like such an ugly language ;D
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I agree with the 3-5 years natural training rec, or if you want numbers, figure 1.5x bw Bench, 2-2.5x Deadlift, 2x squat. Anyone that is a smart natural trainer should be able to reach those naturally. It's important to have a decent natural base in my estimation so that you atleast understand how to train to maintain some of the gains once off, and so you resist some of that things that young trainers do when on, like running up the numbers too quickly.
Now in terms of the strength sports and hobbies, you will be better off if you start training and using early in bodybuilding and Olympic Lifting. You can start a bit later in Strongman and Powerlifting because the window to be good in those sports is much longer.
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I'm waiting till I reach about that till I start, how much was you military with a bb?
strict form.. 175 for sets of 8-10..
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I could bench over 160kg (350lbs) and curl 80lb dumbells before I popped my first dbols. I just came home from the gym where I did db curls with 35lb dumbells for 10 reps to failure! A few days ago I did 5 reps with 220lbs on the bench to failure. 15 years of cycling! :D
I think that if you feel you have trained "seriously" for 2 years using a sane program then you're ready for juice. You will have maxed out pretty much, again if you have been doing everything reasonably right wrt training and eating. I'm talking about muscle size. Strength is something that you can continue to develop into your 40s or 50s training natural but it wont make you muscles much bigger.
How strong you should be before juice is so individual. It has so much to do with genetics that it would be stupid to put numbers on it that fit everyone. A heavy juicer might have trouble deadlifting 500lbs whereas a natural might be able to hit 660lbs, even if both are doing everything right.
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I could bench over 160kg (350lbs) and curl 80lb dumbells before I popped my first dbols. I just came home from the gym where I did db curls with 35lb dumbells for 10 reps to failure! A few days ago I did 5 reps with 220lbs on the bench to failure. 15 years of cycling! :D
I think that if you feel you have trained "seriously" for 2 years using a sane program then you're ready for juice. You will have maxed out pretty much, again if you have been doing everything reasonably right wrt training and eating. I'm talking about muscle size. Strength is something that you can continue to develop into your 40s or 50s training natural but it wont make you muscles much bigger.
How strong you should be before juice is so individual. It has so much to do with genetics that it would be stupid to put numbers on it that fit everyone. A heavy juicer might have trouble deadlifting 500lbs whereas a natural might be able to hit 660lbs, even if both are doing everything right.
if a heavy juicer cant deadlift 500 its because they havent paid any attention to deadlifts.
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if a heavy juicer cant deadlift 500 its because they havent paid any attention to deadlifts.
Depends on what you mean by "attention". I'm a deadlift training maniac, analyzed the lift up and down, trained it up to 4 times a week, 19 years of deadlifting in all, coached juicers on it etc. Some just have poor structures for it. Sure 500 anyone can do but some would really have to concentrate on it, not just put it last in the back workout for a few sets. One guy who I helped has been juicing for over a decade, advanced bb, only had a 440lb deadlift despite doing the lift on his own. We've been working on it for a couple of years and he's at a bit over 600... took a lot of concentrated work. Lots of technique analysis, also aided by a world class competitive powerlifter.
Ben White's numbers sucked ass a couple of years ago, despite being a juice monkey known for his strength. Maybe he had never seriously deadlifted before. But the numbers were pathetic at the Olympia.
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does it really matter?
Arnold started when he was 14 or so. Same with many bodybuilders. Doubt Arnold was maxed out naturally or could bench 315 naturally at 14.
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Never used and naturally able to do the following for a few reps:
Bench 485
Hack Squat 800
Military Press 330
Lying Extension 265
Db Curl 100s
Db Hammer Curls 105s
Bent Over Rows 405
Db Side Laterals 85s
Db Front Laterals 90s
Now these are some of my best lifts, but all done without bb chemicals.....took years and years of training to get there.
I'd like to see that. Those lifts sounds unbelievable for a natural.
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lol,, if you wait to be the strongest around to start juicing...something very sad is going in your bodybuild life,, lol
bodybuilding is NOT power lifting,,
if strength was the key i woulod be mr o 15 years in a raw and still going ,,kevin would be mr o 15 years himself
gh15 approved
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As Dk II said, for bodybuilding it doesn't matter, what do you need is a good couple years of natural training. Plus, everyone is different, so saying you need to bench at least xxx or squat xxx before juicing is bs IMO.
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lol,, if you wait to be the strongest around to start juicing...something very sad is going in your bodybuild life,, lol
bodybuilding is NOT power lifting,,
if strength was the key i woulod be mr o 15 years in a raw and still going ,,kevin would be mr o 15 years himself
gh15 approved
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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i was deadlifting around 435lbs for reps and squatting over 3 plates for reps @ 160lbs before i decided to jump on. that took a bit over a year. ymmv.
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I'd like to see that. Those lifts sounds unbelievable for a natural.
Well, I think most guys give up trying naturally way too soon. Now, I'm not saying I'm some diehard weight trainer, but I pushed myself hard (vomiting, almost blacking out, etc...). I don't recommend that LOL (and I was also in my early twenties), but I did train harder than almost everyone in every gym I frequented. Again, almost everyone...there were other men and women busting it as hard or harder. I killed it though....gave it everything, everytime....it wasn't easy either but at least everything I've done.....welll....I've done.
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no offense guys but swedish sounds like such an ugly language ;D
It sound funny, because everybody in Sweden is always happy.... :D :D :D :D :D :D
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Well, I think most guys give up trying naturally way too soon. Now, I'm not saying I'm some diehard weight trainer, but I pushed myself hard (vomiting, almost blacking out, etc...). I don't recommend that LOL (and I was also in my early twenties), but I did train harder than almost everyone in every gym I frequented. Again, almost everyone...there were other men and women busting it as hard or harder. I killed it though....gave it everything, everytime....it wasn't easy either but at least everything I've done.....welll....I've done.
yeah well I've trained that way too from age 18-26 but I was not close to benching that.
485 bench for a natural. Really find it hard to believe.
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Forget strength levels. A Mr. Getbig title puts you at the front of the juice line.
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I know a guy that does 465-475 natural, and 540 in a shirt. MOS is a monster, not too hard to believe. If he was shredded and 200#'s I would doubt it...*cough*mesmorph*cough*
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315 bench at least.
You need to know how to build a body before going on. Otherwise it's like putting NOS in a car with only 100hp
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It sound funny, because everybody in Sweden is always happy.... :D :D :D :D :D :D
Hardly, they only have sunshine 4 months out of the year.
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315 bench at least.
You need to know how to build a body before going on. Otherwise it's like putting NOS in a car with only 100hp
ha ha yeh right, probly a handfull of people in each gym capable of doing 3 plates plus naturaly
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315 bench at least.
You need to know how to build a body before going on. Otherwise it's like putting NOS in a car with only 100hp
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315 bench at least.
You need to know how to build a body before going on. Otherwise it's like putting NOS in a car with only 100hp
::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
It's bodybuilding, you're not putting NO2 in a car with 100hp, you are putting a big big NO2-Sticker on the side of the car so that it LOOKS fast.
It will never run a race, always be parked and maybe stand on exhibitions a few times, so who gives a fuck if is has NO2 in it or not, it has to LOOK LIKE it has NO2.
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::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
It's bodybuilding, you're not putting NO2 in a car with 100hp, you are putting a big big NO2-Sticker on the side of the car so that it LOOKS fast.
It will never run a race, always be parked and maybe stand on exhibitions a few times, so who gives a fuck if is has NO2 in it or not, it has to LOOK LIKE it has NO2.
translation = I did 135lbs for 4-5 reps before hitting the sauce
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translation = I did 135lbs for 4-5 reps before hitting the sauce
LOL, well not 135lbs, but i am not strong, and i probably never will be.
I have very small joints, which is great for BB but sucks for strength. I also never go below 6 reps, i don't bother how strong i am, as long as i grow. With time and more juice, i will get stronger anyways.
But for BB, it's a side effect and not important.
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LOL, well not 135lbs, but i am not strong, and i probably never will be.
I have very small joints, which is great for BB but sucks for strength. I also never go below 6 reps, i don't bother how strong i am, as long as i grow. With time and more juice, i will get stronger anyways.
But for BB, it's a side effect and not important.
you know I love you, its ok I accept you as meine bruder even if you are a all drugs son of a bitch
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you know I love you, its ok I accept you as meine bruder even if you are a all drugs son of a bitch
Thanks, you bring tears to my eyes.... :'( :'( :'(
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Thanks, you bring tears to my eyes.... :'( :'( :'(
;D ;D :-* :-*
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no offense guys but swedish sounds like such an ugly language ;D
There women make up for it though - hot!! :p :D
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315 bench at least.
You need to know how to build a body before going on. Otherwise it's like putting NOS in a car with only 100hp
lol,, i have no words to say about this,, i dont think anyone of current profesionals waited to bench press 3 plates each side beforee went on hormones,, NONE OF THEM! mayeb kai lol im talkin 10 reps lol you can play with it some ,, but 300+ is usualy horminized lifter,, any time any place,, bodybuild is the drugs! i keep telling you this BODYBUILD = HORMONES,,
yes some can push 315 lb naturally ofcourse,, but to do it 3rd of 4th set when you are single digit bodyfat lol NOT A DAMN CHANCE IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD,,
you will never see a true natural lol 7% 180lb and those are the best true naturals.... you will never see them benching 315 for many reps if at all...and matt c is not natural dont give him as example here he is a liar and it was explained to me by van b and i had time to look into it ,,
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lol,, i have no words to say about this,, i dont think anyone of current profesionals waited to bench press 3 plates each side beforee went on hormones,, NONE OF THEM! mayeb kai lol im talkin 10 reps lol you can play with it some ,, but 300+ is usualy horminized lifter,, any time any place,, bodybuild is the drugs! i keep telling you this BODYBUILD = HORMONES,,
yes some can push 315 lb naturally ofcourse,, but to do it 3rd of 4th set when you are single digit bodyfat lol NOT A DAMN CHANCE IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD,,
you will never see a true natural lol 7% 180lb and those are the best true naturals.... you will never see them benching 315 for many reps if at all...and matt c is not natural dont give him as example here he is a liar and it was explained to me by van b and i had time to look into it ,,
gh15 approved
Thanks gh15 for motivation, when I start my mutation I will ask you for help
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Thanks gh15 for motivation, when I start my mutation I will ask you for help
Just ask if you need a hook up. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Just ask if you need a hook up. ;D ;D ;D ;D
I will if I move to Japan 8).
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I will if I move to Japan 8).
Have you ever heard of "international shipping"? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Have you ever heard of "international shipping"? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
:D
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lol,, i have no words to say about this,, i dont think anyone of current profesionals waited to bench press 3 plates each side beforee went on hormones,, NONE OF THEM! mayeb kai lol im talkin 10 reps lol you can play with it some ,, but 300+ is usualy horminized lifter,, any time any place,, bodybuild is the drugs! i keep telling you this BODYBUILD = HORMONES,,
yes some can push 315 lb naturally ofcourse,, but to do it 3rd of 4th set when you are single digit bodyfat lol NOT A DAMN CHANCE IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD,,
you will never see a true natural lol 7% 180lb and those are the best true naturals.... you will never see them benching 315 for many reps if at all...and matt c is not natural dont give him as example here he is a liar and it was explained to me by van b and i had time to look into it ,,
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I didn't say you should be able to play with the weight, repping 315 easy is juicer territory. I mean you should be able to do a at least 1 or 2 reps with it, If u can you have a good base. If u can only bench 225 and then start juicing you're all drugs, easy come easy go.
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ha ha yeh right, probly a handfull of people in each gym capable of doing 3 plates plus naturaly
Yeah! That would be the elite, those who can actually become beasts if juicing. What is the point of an average lifter starting to juice?
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Yeah! That would be the elite, those who can actually become beasts if juicing. What is the point of an average lifter starting to juice?
Has been said already 10000 times in this thread.
Train natural for a few years, then juice.
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I didn't say you should be able to play with the weight, repping 315 easy is juicer territory. I mean you should be able to do a at least 1 or 2 reps with it, If u can you have a good base. If u can only bench 225 and then start juicing you're all drugs, easy come easy go.
no,, many start going on the infamous halodrol when they bench 225 to 275 on creatine.. lol ,,then go on hormones very fats after when they see they are stuck and cant do balonie anymore,, it is usualy on hormones or out of the gym say byebye bodybuild,, trust me on that ,, this is the way everyone is especialy generation nothingness which is rulling last 15 years with iron fist...
225 to 275 is where most start hormonizing themselves...
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lol,, i have no words to say about this,, i dont think anyone of current profesionals waited to bench press 3 plates each side beforee went on hormones,, NONE OF THEM! mayeb kai lol im talkin 10 reps lol you can play with it somegh15 approved
Reg Park benched 500 in the early 50s, was he hormoized then in your opinion?
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315 bench at least.
You need to know how to build a body before going on. Otherwise it's like putting NOS in a car with only 100hp
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Reg Park benched 500 in the early 50s, was he hormoized then in your opinion?
duh lol,, early 50s prime prime hormanization time in europe and in americana too,,remember ALL legal,, anything that ws offered was legal!,, bodybuild from past are much better from bodybuild today because everything was legit and legal ,, reason they were smaller is.....
all together now pupils..
they didnt have GH AND INSULINA,, as simple as that,,
bodybuild from the past though had everything legit and legal no law no nothing...this is why none of the morons now day can achieve rich gaspari condition ....or lee labrada over all horseesh look to his physiqe,, fellas now day play with underground that half are not even anything inside the vial ..pure oil lol the few underground labs which are cooks who are around are very very private and only work with the ones THEY approve and its not easy to get to them
gh15 approved
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The only concern I have about joining the dark side is the stories of acne, can't be ruining my handsome face!
What do you say on this matter GH15?! Is it a case of, affecting some and others not at all?
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The only concern I have about joining the dark side is the stories of acne, can't be ruining my handsome face!
What do you say on this matter GH15?! Is it a case of, affecting some and others not at all?
Tanning bed, Vit D, antibacterial face wash twice a day, some good moisturizing lotion for the face.
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The only concern I have about joining the dark side is the stories of acne, can't be ruining my handsome face!
What do you say on this matter GH15?! Is it a case of, affecting some and others not at all?
You answered your own question mate - all drugs have "potential" side effects - it doesn't mean you will get them all - maybe one or two maybe none at all, but if you are unlucky you will get the whole lot ;D
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my face skin actually looks better on. Back is another matter. :D