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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: cephissus on August 09, 2011, 08:40:12 PM
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I've totally crashed. I have no idea why. Maybe from 8 years of abusive, bodybuilding style workouts? I've tried everything over the last two or three years, but the workouts have only gotten worse and worse. Every once in a while I'll have one halfway decent workout, and then another two weeks or a month of utter failure -- no pump, no muscle sensation at all, no soreness. I no longer feel like I'm even exercising in the gym. I can understand a lack of progress in terms of increasing lean mass or decreasing bodyfat -- that's to be expected. But when you set foot in the gym and walk out an hour later without even breaking a sweat or pumping any blood into the muscle, no matter how hard you try, and nothing to show for it but a creeping ache in your joints, what's the point? I don't even feel healthy.
Last night i went for a jog, nothing serious, about 30 minutes at a nice, even pace. It felt atrocious on my hip flexors (never had that problem before), and i just got the impression my body was broken and worn down. But it did allow me to feel good about myself, a little bit. It DID feel like i was exercising, like i was working to maintaining some semblance of health.
So, I got to thinking, should I just put down the weights for a while, and jog a little to satisfy my instinct for exercise? I never wanted it to come to this, but I truly feel as if I've exhausted every other option short of loading up on hormones (which I'm not going to do). I finally feel as if I've tried everything. I've looked into form, posture, stretching, volume/intensity/exercise selection, different diets, mobility work, everything I can think of, and none of it seems to help. The only remaining option I can see is to take time completely off, and seeing if my body heals on its own.
I'm a little scared to do this, because as miserable as I am now, I do at least have a decent physique, which I don't want to lose completely. But as it is, I'm just grinding through three utterly sad and ineffective workouts a week, which don't even stimulate me. I suppose at this point I think it's worth the risk to see if time off can help me; if it can't, then I'm just in for a slow, sad slide into shit-physique-ville anyway.
Does this sound like a good idea to anyone else? Has anyone else had a similar experience at some point?
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you just need to change the way you train. as you said, its from years of abusive workouts. "stimulate, dont annihilate"-lee haney. short, to the point, intense but not damaging workouts that stimulate the target muscle are all you need. stay out of the gym untill the muscle feels rested.
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doesn't work at this point. i'm fully planning on training like that when i come back, but I can't even "stimulate" the muscle anymore, much less "annihilate."
it's like my muscles have just been switched to "off" and i can't do shit about it
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U won't last a month
I had a crave for fitness over the years and took up jogging, for two wks
It will make ur hunger for the weight greater though so aim for two months, not six
And prepare to love the gym again pretty shortly
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fair enough. you dont need 6 months out of the gym though. remember it takes a couple weeks for your body to adapt to a new trainin method. you might feel like it wont work, but stick with it and youll see it does.
also, TESTOSTERONE.. get some
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I've totally crashed. I have no idea why. Maybe from 8 years of abusive, bodybuilding style workouts? I've tried everything over the last two or three years, but the workouts have only gotten worse and worse. Every once in a while I'll have one halfway decent workout, and then another two weeks or a month of utter failure -- no pump, no muscle sensation at all, no soreness. I no longer feel like I'm even exercising in the gym. I can understand a lack of progress in terms of increasing lean mass or decreasing bodyfat -- that's to be expected. But when you set foot in the gym and walk out an hour later without even breaking a sweat or pumping any blood into the muscle, no matter how hard you try, and nothing to show for it but a creeping ache in your joints, what's the point? I don't even feel healthy.
Last night i went for a jog, nothing serious, about 30 minutes at a nice, even pace. It felt atrocious on my hip flexors (never had that problem before), and i just got the impression my body was broken and worn down. But it did allow me to feel good about myself, a little bit. It DID feel like i was exercising, like i was working to maintaining some semblance of health.
So, I got to thinking, should I just put down the weights for a while, and jog a little to satisfy my instinct for exercise? I never wanted it to come to this, but I truly feel as if I've exhausted every other option short of loading up on hormones (which I'm not going to do). I finally feel as if I've tried everything. I've looked into form, posture, stretching, volume/intensity/exercise selection, different diets, mobility work, everything I can think of, and none of it seems to help. The only remaining option I can see is to take time completely off, and seeing if my body heals on its own.
I'm a little scared to do this, because as miserable as I am now, I do at least have a decent physique, which I don't want to lose completely. But as it is, I'm just grinding through three utterly sad and ineffective workouts a week, which don't even stimulate me. I suppose at this point I think it's worth the risk to see if time off can help me; if it can't, then I'm just in for a slow, sad slide into shit-physique-ville anyway.
Does this sound like a good idea to anyone else? Has anyone else had a similar experience at some point?
i trained for 9 years 5/6 hours a week (natural). Then i got a life (job, girl, moved etc) and i only train 2 to 3 hours a week and play outdoor sports two to three hours a week. I only train biceps, chest and abs, as it s the only thing my girl is interested in, and that most people respect. You can keep a good body if you trained for years and keep maintaining it with only two to three hours a week - if you dont ruin your nutrition though-.
It's normal to get bored of something as uterly vain as 'bodybuilding'. It means you grew up mentally. It's in fact abnormal when you dont get bored and are still obsessesive about it. No, there's no point caring about your muscles every minute of the day and making a fool of yourself in front of everyone constantly because you cant let the insecurities go. Also, no amount of training or/and drugs is going to solve anything that's psychological.
You may have reached the limits of the stupid part of ''bodybuilding''. Now you re entering the healthy part.
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fair enough. you dont need 6 months out of the gym though. remember it takes a couple weeks for your body to adapt to a new trainin method. you might feel like it wont work, but stick with it and youll see it does.
also, TESTOSTERONE.. get some
this.
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i trained for 9 years 5/6 hours a week (natural). Then i got a life (job, girl, moved etc) and i only train 2 to 3 hours a week and play outdoor sports two to three hours a week. I only train biceps, chest and abs, as it s the only thing my girl is interested in, and that most people respect. You can keep a good body if you trained for years and keep maintaining it with only two to three hours a week - if you dont ruin your nutrition though-.
It's normal to get bored of something as uterly vain as 'bodybuilding'. It means you grew up mentally. It's in fact abnormal when you dont get bored and are still obsessesive about it. No, there's no point caring about your muscles every minute of the day and making a fool of yourself in front of everyone constantly because you cant let the insecurities go. Also, no amount of training or/and drugs is going to solve anything that's psychological.
You may have reached the limits of the stupid part of ''bodybuilding''. Now you re entering the healthy part.
once again, uberman is a fuckin moron and cant see past his own shit.
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once again, uberman is a fuckin moron and cant see past his own shit.
Damn Tballz, i really like your posts today, you should only post when people dumber than you are online.
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once again, uberman is a fuckin moron and cant see past his own shit.
-you re fat, gay, retarded mongoloid of a dad sexually assaulted you
-as a result you are gay
-you have a retarded mongoloid face
-you date fat, ugly black women black people dont want to fuck
-you have no education
-your last carreers; pool ''lifeguard''' and 'bouncer'
-you re exposing yourself on the internet because you re an attention whore
Shut the fuck up, please.
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this.
i'm curious, do you think this is really the problem? do you think that, if i injected hormones, my muscles would come to life instead of remaining these cold, lifeless lumps? i'm curious because i believe my problem is abnormal. i don't think most people need injections just to feel basic pumps and be able to exert themselves on the same level they could three years ago (when i had pretty much just entered my 20s). am i wrong about this?
thanks everyone for the advice so far. i liked okami's post particularly.
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Damn Tballz, i really like your posts today, you should only post when people dumber than you are online.
thanks ??? ;D
-you re fat, gay, retarded mongoloid of a dad sexually assaulted you
-as a result you are gay
-you have a retarded mongoloid face
-you date fat, ugly black women black people dont want to fuck
-you have no education
-your last carreers; pool ''lifeguard''' and 'bouncer'
-you re exposing yourself on the internet because you re an attention whore
Shut the fuck up, please.
post a picture of your face and if it is even comparable to mine ill quit getbig forever :) btw, im bisexual cuz the society i grew up in didnt make man-on man sex a negative thing in my eyes, and i was heavily influenced by my mother and sister in my behavior and attitude, leading me to appreciate male qualities as a female does and only seeing positives associated with gay sex i came to desire it. your attempts of psychoanalysis are so futile and unsophisticated and that is why i always berate you. my girlfriend has big fat ass and a tiny little waist and the face of an african princess. :-* suck it
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great idea !!!
I'm tired so I'll take half a fucking year to relax ! ;D
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great idea !!!
I'm tired so I'll take half a fucking year to relax ! ;D
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it's not like that lol!
for years now i haven't even been ABLE to work out hard. have you ever felt like that? it's the most miserable thing in the world. it doesn't matter how much i WANT to work out, it just isn't happening. muscles won't turn on, joints hurt. it's not a matter of willpower, i wish it was... because no one has more than me!
if it hadn't been for me believing, for a short while, in "rest weeks," i wouldn't have taken off more than two days since i first picked up a barbell, 8 years ago!
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i'm curious, do you think this is really the problem? do you think that, if i injected hormones, my muscles would come to life instead of remaining these cold, lifeless lumps? i'm curious because i believe my problem is abnormal. i don't think most people need injections just to feel basic pumps and be able to exert themselves on the same level they could three years ago (when i had pretty much just entered my 20s). am i wrong about this?
thanks everyone for the advice so far. i liked okami's post particularly.
I had the same myself, no progress, tired all the time and so on...
Hormones changed that pretty fast, lol.
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Eat lots of carbs for a few weeks. You'll be ready to tear it up again.
How old are you?
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Eat lots of carbs for a few weeks. You'll be ready to tear it up again.
How old are you?
24. trust me, it won't work. i was up to 7000 calories a day (thanks dante ::)) back when i first started posting here. same exact feeling.
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it's not like that lol!
for years now i haven't even been ABLE to work out hard. have you ever felt like that? it's the most miserable thing in the world. it doesn't matter how much i WANT to work out, it just isn't happening. muscles won't turn on, joints hurt. it's not a matter of willpower, i wish it was... because no one has more than me!
if it hadn't been for me believing, for a short while, in "rest weeks," i wouldn't have taken off more than two days since i first picked up a barbell, 8 years ago!
few cc of testosterone, few cc of deca, tiny bit of HGH
2 weeks off, 3 days a week in the gym for the next 2 weeks and then you are good to go for a few months
8)
Stavios approved
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I had the same myself, no progress, tired all the time and so on...
Hormones changed that pretty fast, lol.
The thing is, im not tired! I WANT to lift. It's just that my workouts are so pathetic I walk out of the gym and feel like i may as well just have spent an hour playing videogames.
i guess i could explain it as a car analogy, where being tired is equivalent to having an empty gas tank. i think the tank is still full, it's just like the gas pedal is disengaged, so no matter how hard i press down nothing happens.
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24? 24?
On one hand, I want to smack you in the head and say suck it up. You have no clue what being worn down feels like until you're into your 30s and 40s when you mix in career, wife and kids with gym time.
On the other hand, I want to say go ahead and take a break and go do other things. Come back rested with new perspective.
My vote is for #2. Take a break. If it ain't working. It ain't working.
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24? 24?
On one hand, I want to smack you in the head and say suck it up. You have no clue what being worn down feels like until you're into your 30s and 40s when you mix in career, wife and kids with gym time.
On the other hand, I want to say go ahead and take a break and go do other things. Come back rested with new perspective.
My vote is for #2. Take a break. If it ain't working. It ain't working.
;D
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Why six months? That seems like an especially long time.
I would be climbing the walls after a week, myself.
You should run a couple of miles three times per week and quit lifting weights for a month (tops). As long as you're keeping the fat off it's not like your muscle is just going to instantly go away.
Just see how you feel after that month.
I've always noticed that when I take a week or so off and come back to the gym, I get great workouts. Also, I am a lot more sore and it just feels like when I first started.
Good luck.
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Why six months? That seems like an especially long time.
I would be climbing the walls after a week, myself.
You should run a couple of miles three times per week and quit lifting weights for a month (tops). As long as you're keeping the fat off it's not like your muscle is just going to instantly go away.
Just see how you feel after that month.
I've always noticed that when I take a week or so off and come back to the gym, I get great workouts. Also, I am a lot more sore and it just feels like when I first started.
Good luck.
I've taken as much as three weeks off before, where all i did was 20 mins of jump roping each day. Came back and absolutely zero improvement. I think, if I can ever get out of this slump, it's going to have to be a significant break. I was originally thinking three months, but anyway you're right -- the number is sort of arbitrary, and i'll be assessing how i feel as i go along. i hope it won't be too hard to stay out of the gym. jogging should help with that.
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I've taken as much as three weeks off before, where all i did was 20 mins of jump roping each day. Came back and absolutely zero improvement. I think, if I can ever get out of this slump, it's going to have to be a significant break. I was originally thinking three months, but anyway you're right -- the number is sort of arbitrary, and i'll be assessing how i feel as i go along. i hope it won't be too hard to stay out of the gym. jogging should help with that.
change your diet and give your body a break from high protein and let trainings only be real short and sporadically. You will feel as your body come back to where it should be and you will feel when you can increase training again.
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Whenever I'm in a rut at the gym I take a few weeks off training and eating protein all the time then go back at it.
6 months seems like too long to take off anything.
Take off 4 to 6 weeks. Eat shitty and enjoy yourself. After that hit it again with a new attitude.
Asses your goals and try new routines ...start a new workout style. Doesn't have to be only weights. Focus more on cardio or whatever that will make you see more progress.
I've been lifting for the past 10 years and now I'm at the point where going heavy and my previous splits and aren't good anymore. I do a lot more functional cardio like running and boxing. Doing a lot more super sets and giant sets where I'm gassed after most of them.
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Maybe do some bloodwork?
6 months is a long time..
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i'm curious, do you think this is really the problem? do you think that, if i injected hormones, my muscles would come to life instead of remaining these cold, lifeless lumps? i'm curious because i believe my problem is abnormal. i don't think most people need injections just to feel basic pumps and be able to exert themselves on the same level they could three years ago (when i had pretty much just entered my 20s). am i wrong about this?
thanks everyone for the advice so far. i liked okami's post particularly.
Go to your GP and ask for Lab work. Ask to have total Testosterone and HGH levels checked (along with EVERYTHING else) ~ this will help you determine what the problem is. It may be a thryroid shutdown, depression, low test, all of the above... who knows?
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How's your libido?
Low testosterone makes you feel depressed, have crappy workouts, sore joints, always tired and get sick easily.
Maybe you're working so hard that you're suppressing your natural hormonal rhythms. I'm a victim of that also.
Try working out 3 days per week. Like Mon, Wed, Fri. Stay away from the gym the other days. And when you do workout aim for a pump and don't focus on how much weight you're lifting at all. After a few weeks of that you might be okay to start ramping up the intensity again.
Good luck.
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Maybe you just feel a natural need to become smarter, feed your brain, spirituality, instead of your body in vain hoping to obtain things that never materialize... or evaporate quickly once you get them.
Maybe you should just read more. We re not just bodies. A starved mind that has been fed with crap for months, years, needs healthy food, too. Good , balanced food.
Lol at the morons saying "huh..eeer... you not like lifting weights anymore? huhh...eeeeeer... take testosterone HUH" ...
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I've totally crashed. I have no idea why. Maybe from 8 years of abusive, bodybuilding style workouts? I've tried everything over the last two or three years, but the workouts have only gotten worse and worse. Every once in a while I'll have one halfway decent workout, and then another two weeks or a month of utter failure -- no pump, no muscle sensation at all, no soreness. I no longer feel like I'm even exercising in the gym. I can understand a lack of progress in terms of increasing lean mass or decreasing bodyfat -- that's to be expected. But when you set foot in the gym and walk out an hour later without even breaking a sweat or pumping any blood into the muscle, no matter how hard you try, and nothing to show for it but a creeping ache in your joints, what's the point? I don't even feel healthy.
Last night i went for a jog, nothing serious, about 30 minutes at a nice, even pace. It felt atrocious on my hip flexors (never had that problem before), and i just got the impression my body was broken and worn down. But it did allow me to feel good about myself, a little bit. It DID feel like i was exercising, like i was working to maintaining some semblance of health.
So, I got to thinking, should I just put down the weights for a while, and jog a little to satisfy my instinct for exercise? I never wanted it to come to this, but I truly feel as if I've exhausted every other option short of loading up on hormones (which I'm not going to do). I finally feel as if I've tried everything. I've looked into form, posture, stretching, volume/intensity/exercise selection, different diets, mobility work, everything I can think of, and none of it seems to help. The only remaining option I can see is to take time completely off, and seeing if my body heals on its own.
I'm a little scared to do this, because as miserable as I am now, I do at least have a decent physique, which I don't want to lose completely. But as it is, I'm just grinding through three utterly sad and ineffective workouts a week, which don't even stimulate me. I suppose at this point I think it's worth the risk to see if time off can help me; if it can't, then I'm just in for a slow, sad slide into shit-physique-ville anyway.
Does this sound like a good idea to anyone else? Has anyone else had a similar experience at some point?
You need to give more info.
Did you meet a new girl around the same time? new Job? Anything in your life change?
How about hormones? Were you on anything? The fact is that men don't have a gradual decline of testosterone. You go from high to low pretty fast and that crash sucks and it comes with age. Try TRT. You don't need a gram of test a week to feel normal again. 200 mg a week of Test Cyp can put a bounce back in your step.
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You need to give more info.
Did you meet a new girl around the same time? new Job? Anything in your life change?
How about hormones? Were you on anything? The fact is that men don't have a gradual decline of testosterone. You go from high to low pretty fast and that crash sucks and it comes with age. Try TRT. You don't need a gram of test a week to feel normal again. 200 mg a week of Test Cyp can put a bounce back in your step.
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Holy shit.
So you re aging, that's not normal... take hormones. To stay the top dog, to stay in the competition, to stay young...forever...
typical of the materialist and hedonist mentality of most occidentals nowadays who lost faith , spirituality. They re devolving into animals and dont want to grow up the hard , normal way.
While you morons inject steroids and stay immature, dont want to face existential questions and flee them in addictions, cutting yourself progressively from significant people in the process over time, how do other people manage to survive without drugs, illusions, and accept life as it is ?
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Holy shit.
So you re aging, that's not normal... take hormones. To stay the top dog, to stay in the competition, to stay young...forever...
typical of the materialist and hedonist mentality of most occidentals nowadays who lost faith , spirituality. They re devolving into animals and dont want to grow up the hard , normal way.
While you morons inject steroids and stay immature, dont want to face existential questions and flee them in addictions, cutting yourself progressively from significant people in the process over time, how do other people manage to survive without drugs, illusions, and accept life as it is ?
uberman, did you ever read Yukio Mishima, in particular his "bodybuilding book", Sun and Steel?
I'd be interested in hearing you do a psychological profile on him, based on that book. ;D
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3 days a week, 1-1+1/2 hours a week: all you need, naturally at least
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Solution for cephissus: 500mg test a week with 20mg dbol day for 2 weeks before going back to the gym.
No training but the best diet possible. Would be back bigger, leaner, stronger than ever... feeling like a million bucks. :D
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Does this sound like a good idea to anyone else? Has anyone else had a similar experience at some point?
try some mma
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For the last 3 years (after a two year lay off) I start training from the end of March until the middle of August with strict diet and very little test. Then come September until March (about 7 months) I take it off completely, I don't touch a weight and eat as much as I want and enjoy life. My body responds so well to this system and I have the muscle maturity to get all the gains back and my body has never looked better. It takes me 16 weeks every year too look like this and my strength is always great.
The answer: It's all about genetics and that's it.
2010 results
(http://i744.photobucket.com/albums/xx81/ElasticHulk/2010body006.jpg)
2011
(http://i744.photobucket.com/albums/xx81/ElasticHulk/jcbody2011007.jpg)
(http://i744.photobucket.com/albums/xx81/ElasticHulk/2011body1-1.jpg)
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You need to give more info.
Did you meet a new girl around the same time? new Job? Anything in your life change?
How about hormones? Were you on anything? The fact is that men don't have a gradual decline of testosterone. You go from high to low pretty fast and that crash sucks and it comes with age. Try TRT. You don't need a gram of test a week to feel normal again. 200 mg a week of Test Cyp can put a bounce back in your step.
interesting about the crash, i haven't heard about that before. sounds like it could be the cause of my troubles, but again this really only kicked in once i was 22 or so. i'm a little busy right now but will respond to this thread later. thanks everyone for the advice!
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I've totally crashed. I have no idea why. Maybe from 8 years of abusive, bodybuilding style workouts? I've tried everything over the last two or three years, but the workouts have only gotten worse and worse. Every once in a while I'll have one halfway decent workout, and then another two weeks or a month of utter failure -- no pump, no muscle sensation at all, no soreness. I no longer feel like I'm even exercising in the gym. I can understand a lack of progress in terms of increasing lean mass or decreasing bodyfat -- that's to be expected. But when you set foot in the gym and walk out an hour later without even breaking a sweat or pumping any blood into the muscle, no matter how hard you try, and nothing to show for it but a creeping ache in your joints, what's the point? I don't even feel healthy.
Last night i went for a jog, nothing serious, about 30 minutes at a nice, even pace. It felt atrocious on my hip flexors (never had that problem before), and i just got the impression my body was broken and worn down. But it did allow me to feel good about myself, a little bit. It DID feel like i was exercising, like i was working to maintaining some semblance of health.
So, I got to thinking, should I just put down the weights for a while, and jog a little to satisfy my instinct for exercise? I never wanted it to come to this, but I truly feel as if I've exhausted every other option short of loading up on hormones (which I'm not going to do). I finally feel as if I've tried everything. I've looked into form, posture, stretching, volume/intensity/exercise selection, different diets, mobility work, everything I can think of, and none of it seems to help. The only remaining option I can see is to take time completely off, and seeing if my body heals on its own.
I'm a little scared to do this, because as miserable as I am now, I do at least have a decent physique, which I don't want to lose completely. But as it is, I'm just grinding through three utterly sad and ineffective workouts a week, which don't even stimulate me. I suppose at this point I think it's worth the risk to see if time off can help me; if it can't, then I'm just in for a slow, sad slide into shit-physique-ville anyway.
Does this sound like a good idea to anyone else? Has anyone else had a similar experience at some point?
dont listen to any other responses except mine...
welcome to your 30's stud
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For the last 3 years (after a two year lay off) I start training from the end of March until the middle of August with strict diet and very little test. Then come September until March (about 7 months) I take it off completely, I don't touch a weight and eat as much as I want and enjoy life. My body responds so well to this system and I have the muscle maturity to get all the gains back and my body has never looked better. It takes me 16 weeks every year too look like this and my strength is always great.
The answer: It's all about genetics and that's it.
2010 results
(http://i744.photobucket.com/albums/xx81/ElasticHulk/2010body006.jpg)
2011
(http://i744.photobucket.com/albums/xx81/ElasticHulk/jcbody2011007.jpg)
(http://i744.photobucket.com/albums/xx81/ElasticHulk/2011body1-1.jpg)
Have you ever thought about moving up from pilates?
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interesting about the crash, i haven't heard about that before. sounds like it could be the cause of my troubles, but again this really only kicked in once i was 22 or so. i'm a little busy right now but will respond to this thread later. thanks everyone for the advice!
sounds like you need to do some falcon experimentation
where every moment you have the opportunity to expend energy matters, because you either have it in your or you dont
like everyone you deserve the wisdom of the falcon but you gotta break out the math tables and document what you think works
however i have already done that for you and can tell you nothing really works, just consume alot of calories be happy with being bulky
you can starve with caffiene and be shredded but that only leads to caffiene addiction
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Holy shit.
So you re aging, that's not normal... take hormones. To stay the top dog, to stay in the competition, to stay young...forever...
typical of the materialist and hedonist mentality of most occidentals nowadays who lost faith , spirituality. They re devolving into animals and dont want to grow up the hard , normal way.
While you morons inject steroids and stay immature, dont want to face existential questions and flee them in addictions, cutting yourself progressively from significant people in the process over time, how do other people manage to survive without drugs, illusions, and accept life as it is ?
x1000
lots of morons will tell Cephissius to juice up
dude would be better off learning science or a new way to engage lipolysis through technology. break out the math tables and science books IMMEDIATLEY
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like chris rock say
"doctors cant even cure athletes foots, what makes you think they can help you"
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Quit it all if you want but at 24 you are not over the hill. You're just burnt out and demotivated. Try spending a few months doing lots more cardio and sticking with bodyweight exercises. Then see if you want to hit the big weights again. Inability to get a pump, lack of motivation, lack of progress...these aren't exactly unknown and they point in one direction.
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Sound overtrained. A good 3-4 months rest will do you a world of good.
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haha thanks for your replies falcon, they always brighten my day!
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Quit it all if you want but at 24 you are not over the hill. You're just burnt out and demotivated. Try spending a few months doing lots more cardio and sticking with bodyweight exercises. Then see if you want to hit the big weights again. Inability to get a pump, lack of motivation, lack of progress...these aren't exactly unknown and they point in one direction.
which direction is that? steroids? is this why everyone jumps on? i mean, i would have been satisfied with where i was at, if only my workouts didn't completely suck and make me feel like shit, instead of healthy and lively like they used to.
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Maybe you just feel a natural need to become smarter, feed your brain, spirituality, instead of your body in vain hoping to obtain things that never materialize... or evaporate quickly once you get them.
Maybe you should just read more. We re not just bodies. A starved mind that has been fed with crap for months, years, needs healthy food, too. Good , balanced food.
Lol at the morons saying "huh..eeer... you not like lifting weights anymore? huhh...eeeeeer... take testosterone HUH" ...
i would agree, but i feel a similar frustration mentally. it's like nothing ever sticks in my head anymore, and i'm getting stupider every day haha. whenever i had a great workout i would feel very smart and quick witted until the next one.
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Take a month off, quit "bodybuilding" and start lifting weights.
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thanks ??? ;D
post a picture of your face and if it is even comparable to mine ill quit getbig forever :) btw, im bisexual cuz the society i grew up in didnt make man-on man sex a negative thing in my eyes, and i was heavily influenced by my mother and sister in my behavior and attitude, leading me to appreciate male qualities as a female does and only seeing positives associated with gay sex i came to desire it. your attempts of psychoanalysis are so futile and unsophisticated and that is why i always berate you. my girlfriend has big fat ass and a tiny little waist and the face of an african princess. :-* suck it
::)this is complete bullshit Tbombz and you know it. Lots of us grew up around sisters and sisters friends etc. So yes, I see what your saying in that with time you can learn to appreciate male qualities but that does not mean you become gay. I love women always have always will. Does that mean I cant admit another dude is handsome? no. does it mean i cant admire another guys physique? no. Hell I even made a thread saying Kevin Levrone is a beautifulman, remember ;D? . Blaming your sexual behavior years down the road, on the people who raised you is pathetic. Really its almost similar to a lack of willpower. Your binge eating, your lack of ability to stick to a diet, etc.
your one of the few really good dudes on here, but you need some help. Maybe you should listen to someone once in your life instead of coming across as a knowitall...you may suprise yourself.
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I've totally crashed. I have no idea why. Maybe from 8 years of abusive, bodybuilding style workouts? I've tried everything over the last two or three years, but the workouts have only gotten worse and worse. Every once in a while I'll have one halfway decent workout, and then another two weeks or a month of utter failure -- no pump, no muscle sensation at all, no soreness. I no longer feel like I'm even exercising in the gym. I can understand a lack of progress in terms of increasing lean mass or decreasing bodyfat -- that's to be expected. But when you set foot in the gym and walk out an hour later without even breaking a sweat or pumping any blood into the muscle, no matter how hard you try, and nothing to show for it but a creeping ache in your joints, what's the point? I don't even feel healthy.
Last night i went for a jog, nothing serious, about 30 minutes at a nice, even pace. It felt atrocious on my hip flexors (never had that problem before), and i just got the impression my body was broken and worn down. But it did allow me to feel good about myself, a little bit. It DID feel like i was exercising, like i was working to maintaining some semblance of health.
So, I got to thinking, should I just put down the weights for a while, and jog a little to satisfy my instinct for exercise? I never wanted it to come to this, but I truly feel as if I've exhausted every other option short of loading up on hormones (which I'm not going to do). I finally feel as if I've tried everything. I've looked into form, posture, stretching, volume/intensity/exercise selection, different diets, mobility work, everything I can think of, and none of it seems to help. The only remaining option I can see is to take time completely off, and seeing if my body heals on its own.
I'm a little scared to do this, because as miserable as I am now, I do at least have a decent physique, which I don't want to lose completely. But as it is, I'm just grinding through three utterly sad and ineffective workouts a week, which don't even stimulate me. I suppose at this point I think it's worth the risk to see if time off can help me; if it can't, then I'm just in for a slow, sad slide into shit-physique-ville anyway.
Does this sound like a good idea to anyone else? Has anyone else had a similar experience at some point?
Open Google, search for "over training". Forget these stupid assholes, they are just children, you can't get good advice from these idiots. Long rest is best cure for this, but searching information helps you decide what more you can do.
When I hit the same wall, it take whole year to get back in to business, meaning the point where I was before the crash. You must take it easy, no hurry and you will be good. You will feel when you are ready to go back to gym, and meanwhile you have good time to think your training all over again. I was doing four split with heavy duty type- training without any light weeks, and it put me on my knees. While resting, I study other ways to do it, and I find out that with three split I can go as heavy as I want to week by week without any problems. Four years training before the crash +10 after it tells me that I find right answer for me. Another point is that earlier I was going straight by the program, when I start over I concentrate for the body part, and choose exercises in the moment. I don't really plan my training, I play by the ear, I am feeling good and my PB's are steadily rising.
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Open Google, search for "over training". Forget these stupid assholes, they are just children, you can't get good advice from these idiots. Long rest is best cure for this, but searching information helps you decide what more you can do.
When I hit the same wall, it take whole year to get back in to business, meaning the point where I was before the crash. You must take it easy, no hurry and you will be good. You will feel when you are ready to go back to gym, and meanwhile you have good time to think your training all over again. I was doing four split with heavy duty type- training without any light weeks, and it put me on my knees. While resting, I study other ways to do it, and I find out that with three split I can go as heavy as I want to week by week without any problems. Four years training before the crash +10 after it tells me that I find right answer for me. Another point is that earlier I was going straight by the program, when I start over I concentrate for the body part, and choose exercises in the moment. I don't really plan my training, I play by the ear, I am feeling good and my PB's are steadily rising.
very good post..
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. i was up to 7000 calories a day (thanks dante ::)) .
why ? did he do your diet or training ?
I doubt he would have put you on that , and you do not sound like someone he will encourage to train his way.
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which direction is that? steroids? is this why everyone jumps on? i mean, i would have been satisfied with where i was at, if only my workouts didn't completely suck and make me feel like shit, instead of healthy and lively like they used to.
No, I didn't mean steroids at all. I meant overtraining/burn-out.
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why ? did he do your diet or training ?
I doubt he would have put you on that , and you do not sound like someone he will encourage to train his way.
Hi Dante
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I took 3 weeks off a few months ago and after a few weeks coming back i was about 2 pounds heavier and leaner. Needed the rest bad to recover.
I started training heavy and was getting stronger than ever but felt very tired a lot. So i doubled my sets (normally 1 per exercise) and trained at 65-70% of the weights i was doing, nice and controlled reps, and since then i look bigger at the same weight, more blood in the muscle? Don't feel as tired either.
I have done this before it doesn't seem to work forever but it showed me i need to change things around often.
I wouldn't take 6 months. I think if you are smashed take 1 month. Even very overtrained i have found i am right after 3 weeks. 6 months is a bit long.
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Open Google, search for "over training". Forget these stupid assholes, they are just children, you can't get good advice from these idiots. Long rest is best cure for this, but searching information helps you decide what more you can do.
When I hit the same wall, it take whole year to get back in to business, meaning the point where I was before the crash. You must take it easy, no hurry and you will be good. You will feel when you are ready to go back to gym, and meanwhile you have good time to think your training all over again. I was doing four split with heavy duty type- training without any light weeks, and it put me on my knees. While resting, I study other ways to do it, and I find out that with three split I can go as heavy as I want to week by week without any problems. Four years training before the crash +10 after it tells me that I find right answer for me. Another point is that earlier I was going straight by the program, when I start over I concentrate for the body part, and choose exercises in the moment. I don't really plan my training, I play by the ear, I am feeling good and my PB's are steadily rising.
Very good points, i find even training lighter you will still overtrain the nervous system. You still need light weeks, i always found 6 on, 1.5 off and i felt myself recovering in that time off until i was ready to go again.
You can always go as heavy as you can, even after 6 weeks. But you feel like garbage and the lifts start to suffer. The time off shouldn't be a worry, you can just start where you left off. I find this far better than training heavy every week as the system will give out.
Also, i prefer 1 set to failure HIT but found i had to do other things. I couldn't just keep going heavy all the time. I could never do this when i had only trained 2-3 years, but i can feel lighter weights so well now so i train like that at times. It doesn't change how strong you are even if you dropped a little it would come back very quickly.
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I took 3 weeks off a few months ago and after a few weeks coming back i was about 2 pounds heavier and leaner. Needed the rest bad to recover.
I started training heavy and was getting stronger than ever but felt very tired a lot. So i doubled my sets (normally 1 per exercise) and trained at 65-70% of the weights i was doing, nice and controlled reps, and since then i look bigger at the same weight, more blood in the muscle? Don't feel as tired either.
I have done this before it doesn't seem to work forever but it showed me i need to change things around often.
I wouldn't take 6 months. I think if you are smashed take 1 month. Even very overtrained i have found i am right after 3 weeks. 6 months is a bit long.
Did you upped your cals to recover or cut them back a bit in order not to get fat from the lay off?
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Did you upped your cals to recover or cut them back a bit in order not to get fat from the lay off?
I still eat at least 5 meals a day but i now just eat when hungry. I don't stress about it, actually some days i've only eaten 4 meals of very few calories, then for 2 days i might eat 3 clean meals and 2 junk meals on those days.
But, i do find when i get overtrained my metabolism can slow down until i rest a bit. When i took those 3 weeks off it was still running fast and i didn't really change how i ate, maybe a little less junk needed towards the end of the rest as i was pretty much recovered. But before the rest i was very lean at around 199 pounds and after i trained a few weeks i was not going below 201 and being leaner. When i wake up weighing 201 i am usually very hungry and the 2nd meal that day will be with more junk food.
I used to plan what i ate each meal but fuck it. If i'm full i'm full. If i go 5 hours between meals because i'm not hungry so be it and if i eat a meal and i'm hungry 2 hours later then i'll eat. I just make sure i have enough food with me.
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All the advice on this thread has been mediocre at best. (At least in my opinion).
You don`t need to take anytime off. What you NEED to do is take a look at yourself and diet down. You stated earlier that you were on the Dante 7000 calorie Delusion diet a few years back. I take it if you have not dieted down since those days, you are most likely a bit obese. This needs to change and you need to set a goal to become very lean.
Once you set this goal and stick to it seeing the inevitable results, you won`t feel the stagnation that you currently are experiencing.
All you need to do is eat around 2000 calories or so each day and every 10 or so days take a day where you eat whatever number of calories you feel like. Keep your lifting up as well.
Problem solved.
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"Dante 7000 calorie Delusion diet" rofl
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Did you upped your cals to recover or cut them back a bit in order not to get fat from the lay off?
I don't eat cals, I eat food, I love food, give me more food...
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All the advice on this thread has been mediocre at best. (At least in my opinion).
You don`t need to take anytime off. What you NEED to do is take a look at yourself and diet down. You stated earlier that you were on the Dante 7000 calorie Delusion diet a few years back. I take it if you have not dieted down since those days, you are most likely a bit obese. This needs to change and you need to set a goal to become very lean.
Once you set this goal and stick to it seeing the inevitable results, you won`t feel the stagnation that you currently are experiencing.
All you need to do is eat around 2000 calories or so each day and every 10 or so days take a day where you eat whatever number of calories you feel like. Keep your lifting up as well.
Problem solved.
Medicore at the best?? This is quite familiar, wait a minute...what was that...YOU. IT FITS YOU PERFECTLY!
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Man, burnout at 24??? That has to totally suck. I'm 10 years older and am in better shape now then when i was 24.
Look at your life and see what needs changing.
To much drinking?
Not enough sleep?
Could you possibly be sick, anemic, diabetic?
Depression could be a real problem here, but I'm just speculating.
2 weeks off should get the job done, especially at 24. If not something else is the culprit.
While i do agree test would make you feel much better, that's a slippery slope my friend.
At 24, that still kills me ha ha, you should NOT be feeling this way.
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Man, burnout at 24??? That has to totally suck. I'm 10 years older and am in better shape now then when i was 24.
Look at your life and see what needs changing.
To much drinking?
Not enough sleep?
Could you possibly be sick, anemic, diabetic?
Depression could be a real problem here, but I'm just speculating.
2 weeks off should get the job done, especially at 24. If not something else is the culprit.
While i do agree test would make you feel much better, that's a slippery slope my friend.
At 24, that still kills me ha ha, you should NOT be feeling this way.
Overtraining isn't same as burn out. Lear how to Google, use it , learn.
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I will learn google when you learn english ;D
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I will learn google when you learn english ;D
I warn you upfront: leave musclecenter out of this...
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why did you start lifting weights int he firstplace? Maybe this reason has no meaning anymore. Then you have to find another meaning.
I agree with chaos saying you should stop "bodbyuild", and "lift weights" instead.
We all started thinking we would become the biggest baddest tough guys on earth and that every of our problems would solve themselves magically, and all ended figuring life was a lot more complicated than that.
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why did you start lifting weights int he firstplace? Maybe this reason has no meaning anymore. Then you have to find another meaning.
I agree with chaos saying you should stop "bodbyuild", and "lift weights" instead.
We all started thinking we would become the biggest baddest tough guys on earth and that every of our problems would solve themselves magically, and all ended figuring life was a lot more complicated than that.
Quality post. Should be written at the wall of every gym.
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why did you start lifting weights int he firstplace? Maybe this reason has no meaning anymore. Then you have to find another meaning.
I agree with chaos saying you should stop "bodbyuild", and "lift weights" instead.
We all started thinking we would become the biggest baddest tough guys on earth and that every of our problems would solve themselves magically, and all ended figuring life was a lot more complicated than that.
I am quite confident that you look horrible.
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Quality post. Should be written at the wall of every gym.
yes 4 the lul
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Take a month off, quit "bodybuilding" and start lifting weights.
This is the best advice so far. Don't worry about the rules that tells you you need to rest "x" between sets, or you have to do at least "x" sets per body part or whatever. Just go and do as you feel, ENJOY your workout. But take a month or a few weeks off.
So, Quit the bodybuilding style workouts and enjoy the fucking workout!!!!!!!!