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Getbig Main Boards => Politics and Political Issues Board => Topic started by: Soul Crusher on August 12, 2011, 07:02:55 AM
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All of the people who credit Obama's "gutsy move" on getting Osama Bin Laden and his leadership, blah blah blah, have been awfully silent on the increasing deaths in the war over there.
So if Bama gets credit for Osama do we also credit Obama with the Seals' deaths?
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All of the people who credit Obama's "gutsy move" on getting Osama Bin Laden and his leadership, blah blah blah, have been awfully silent on the increasing deaths in the war over there.
So if Bama gets credit for Osama do we also credit Obama with the Seals' deaths?
Obama and Bush's fault, both.
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33 I like you but please don't turn the sacrifice of those men into a political pissing match
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33 I like you but please don't turn the sacrifice of those men into a political pissing match
Not trying to do that at all.
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33 I like you but please don't turn the sacrifice of those men into a political pissing match
Lives wasted on a pointless war, sent to their deaths by the likes of Bush and Obama; what were they fighting for? Nation building? democracy....it is time to bring the troops home, 10 years are long enough.
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Lives wasted on a pointless war, sent to their deaths by the likes of Bush and Obama; what were they fighting for? Nation building? democracy....it is time to bring the troops home, 10 years are long enough.
I'm not going to start blaming anyone, these guys were SEAL's they were professionals, they volunteered to go into harms way.
Now as far as nation building winning the hearts and minds bullshit, I'm for total war you kill the enemy until they loose the will to fight.
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I'm not going to start blaming anyone, these guys were SEAL's they were professionals, they volunteered to go into harms way.
Now as far as nation building winning the hearts and minds bullshit, I'm for total war you kill the enemy until they loose the will to fight.
The Afghans have more will than most, for thousands of years they have repelled invasions since Alexander. When do the troops go home then? We can't stay there forever, if only for financial reasons. We're not doing anything useful over there.
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The Afghans have more will than most, for thousands of years they have repelled invasions since Alexander. When do the troops go home then? We can't stay there forever, if only for financial reasons. We're not doing anything useful over there.
They have nothing else to do! They love to fight since that is all they know and have to do to pass the time by.
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All of the people who credit Obama's "gutsy move" on getting Osama Bin Laden and his leadership, blah blah blah, have been awfully silent on the increasing deaths in the war over there.
So if Bama gets credit for Osama do we also credit Obama with the Seals' deaths?
man your stooping very low,in fact your in bottom feeder territory
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The Afghans have more will than most, for thousands of years they have repelled invasions since Alexander. When do the troops go home then? We can't stay there forever, if only for financial reasons. We're not doing anything useful over there.
During WWII no one cared that we would send 300 B-17 and bomb this shit our of a city in Germany. No one gave a shit that we sent B-29's and Nuked to Japanese cities. Why? Because it ended the war that much faster.
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During WWII no one cared that we would send 300 B-17 and bomb this shit our of a city in Germany. No one gave a shit that we sent B-29's and Nuked to Japanese cities. Why? Because it ended the war that much faster.
We actually had defineable goals in WWII, in fact, it was the last legal war, inasmuch as there was a declaration. What is the goal in Afghanistan? to root out the Taliban? to stop Al Quaida, build schools? It only seems like we are fighting...just to fight. Total war, if you favour that, can only occur with definite war goals but there aren't really any in Afghanistan.
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During WWII no one cared that we would send 300 B-17 and bomb this shit our of a city in Germany. No one gave a shit that we sent B-29's and Nuked to Japanese cities. Why? Because it ended the war that much faster.
different times, now your not fighting armies that fight for a country your fighting rebels and i think they don't give a shit if you went and bombed cities
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different times, now your not fighting armies that fight for a country your fighting rebels and i think they don't give a shit if you went and bombed cities
They might not but I bet the people in the cities would. And some point they would 2 and 2 together and realize why they were getting bombed was because of AQ and the Taliban. The Afghan's loyalty goes to the highest bidder, when dealing with a populace like that total war is the only answer
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This is a waste of time and money over there.
We are not fighting to win since winning is meaningless in any real sense. Win what?
I dont think one more american life is worth 2,000,000 of those savages in dirty night shirts.
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they got him now get the hell out of there
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Did Obama personally issue the order for the helicopter to fly from one location to the other before it got shot down?
Dumb thread and poor taste in politicizing the death of 30 heroes.
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Did Obama personally issue the order for the helicopter to fly from one location to the other before it got shot down?
Dumb thread and poor taste in politicizing the death of 30 heroes.
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right on the money
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Did Obama personally issue the order for the helicopter to fly from one location to the other before it got shot down?
Dumb thread and poor taste in politicizing the death of 30 heroes.
Really? Funny how that same thought process was never used while Bush was potus.
And please - obama did not order anything with Bin Laden. That is another bogus lie they put out to make him look like he actually is doing something.
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Really? Funny how that same thought process was never used while Bush was potus.
And please - obama did not order anything with Bin Laden. That is another bogus lie they put out to make him look like he actually is doing something.
What thought process?
Bush ordered the invasion of Iraq. What are you talking about?
And yeah, OB had the final call to go or not to go on the raid. It was a big risk for his administration and the public faith in our SoF.
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What thought process?
Bush ordered the invasion of Iraq. What are you talking about?
And yeah, OB had the final call to go or not to go on the raid. It was a big risk for his administration and the public faith in our SoF.
Yeah - like he was going to say no?
Fucking please - he would have been ousted from office in a week if he said no to that.
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Yeah - like he was going to say no?
Fucking please - he would have been ousted from office in a week if he said no to that.
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We would have never known about it. It was a classified opp
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We would have never known about it. It was a classified opp
Yeah, ok, this admn leaks like a siv and you think if he said no to that no one would have found out? LMAO.
We found about Clinton giving up chances to get obl too remember?
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Yeah, ok, this admn leaks like a siv and you think if he said no to that no one would have found out? LMAO.
We found about Clinton giving up chances to get obl too remember?
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Really? so there is no classified information in the military and in this administration?
we know everything? there are no secrets?
Its a stupid assertion of yours and a disrespectful thread to American heroes who lost their lives defending our country all because you are obsessed with OB.
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No, not Obama's fault. Those mean volunteered to put themselves in harm's way. I agree with Kazan that we shouldn't turn their deaths into a political issue.
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No, not Obama's fault. Those mean volunteered to put themselves in harm's way. I agree with Kazan that we shouldn't turn their deaths into a political issue.
Well - i guess the obama admn doesnt see if that way with their little hollywood gambit for the movie to be released two weeks before the election.
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Well - i guess the obama admn doesnt see if that way with their little hollywood gambit for the movie to be released two weeks before the election.
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The Obama administration is producing and funding the movie? Or has someone (sony corp maybe?, Tri Star pictures, MGM etc..) saw the opportunity to make some money from a recent event?
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The Obama administration is producing and funding the movie? Or has someone (sony corp maybe?, Tri Star pictures, MGM etc..) saw the opportunity to make some money from a recent event?
Obama Admn is providing top level access to these people on this whole thing for the movie and guess why they picked Sony? Take a long long long long guess.
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Well - i guess the obama admn doesnt see if that way with their little hollywood gambit for the movie to be released two weeks before the election.
Yes he is using the killing of Osama for political gain. Doesn't mean we need to turn the death of Soldiers into a political issue.
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Obama Admn is providing top level access to these people on this whole thing for the movie and guess why they picked Sony? Take a long long long long guess.
Please tell us. Top level access? hahahaa access to what? classified training and opps? No, its a way that Sony is garnering credibility for the movie to help promote it.
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Yes he is using the killing of Osama for political gain. Doesn't mean we need to turn the death of Soldiers into a political issue.
Success or failures in war are most definately a political issue. Its not directed at the individuals who lost their lives and died valiently in service for their country, but how else do you discuss these things when the issue is already politicized as it is?
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Success or failures in war are most definately a political issue. Its not directed at the individuals who lost their lives and died valiently in service for their country, but how else do you discuss these things when the issue is already politicized as it is?
You discuss them by not making stupid connections all because of an obsession.
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Success or failures in war are most definately a political issue. Its not directed at the individuals who lost their lives and died valiently in service for their country, but how else do you discuss these things when the issue is already politicized as it is?
Like Ozmo said, we can discuss war casualties without trying to blame political leaders for the deaths of soldiers.
There are exceptions. For example, Les Aspin's refusal to give Soldiers the equipment they requested in Somalia directly contributed to the death of Soldiers. We can make the same general statement about Bush and his failure to listen to General Shinseki about the size of the force necessary to invade Iraq.
But these guys getting shot down by a lucky shot from an RPG? I don't see any connection between that and Obama.
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Like Ozmo said, we can discuss war casualties without trying to blame political leaders for the deaths of soldiers.
There are exceptions. For example, Les Aspin's refusal to give Soldiers the equipment they requested in Somalia directly contributed to the death of Soldiers. We can make the same general statement about Bush and his failure to listen to General Shinseki about the size of the force necessary to invade Iraq.
But these guys getting shot down by a lucky shot from an RPG? I don't see any connection between that and Obama.
Agreed - which is why is utter horseshit for people to run around with "obama got osama" shirts etc - which the animals and things around where I live where.
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He got credit for making the decision, not shooting the gun.
Don't take what ignorant people do with t-shirts and confused that with most people's sensibilities.
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He got credit for making the decision, not shooting the gun.
Don't take what ignorant people do with t-shirts and confused that with most people's sensibilities.
Really - seems to me most people did not feel the same way about Bush with the "Mission Accomplished" fiasco.
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Not trying to do that at all.
Yes you are. The first three words of the thread title prove it.
Once again you and your pathetic little life and frustration at Obama reaches a boiling point and you start another thread that winds up getting you shit on.
Instead of just moving on and letting it fall off the page or admitting you are wrong again, you instead run around deflecting, denying and acting like your usual little circus act when you get your ovaries kicked in.
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Really - seems to me most people did not feel the same way about Bush with the "Mission Accomplished" fiasco.
What do you mean?
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Yes you are. The first three words of the thread title prove it.
Once again you and your pathetic little life and frustration at Obama reaches a boiling point and you start another thread that winds up getting you shit on.
Instead of just moving on and letting it fall off the page or admitting you are wrong again, you instead run around deflecting, denying and acting like your usual little circus act when you get your ovaries kicked in.
:D :D :D :D
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Did Obama personally issue the order for the helicopter to fly from one location to the other before it got shot down?
this
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BUMP!!! Let's not let this important shit fall off the first page you hear.
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Bump fine.
You douches were screaming "obama got osama" blah blah blhah, "gutsy call", "still think obama is a one termer?" Etc etc, and now don't want to blame him for the grotesqe increase deaths in afghanistan since he is potus? Want me to post those numbers?
Funny thing too that as obama sinks further and further and futher in all the polls, the defense of this admn gets more pathetic.
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Still trying to spin this shitfest you found yourself in into something else?
Deflect, deny, backtrack......
LLLOOOSSSEEERRR
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Yawn. Sorry to rain the obama golden shower you have been enjoying for 3 three years now.
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Epic try at changing the topic of discussion.
Brutal FFFFAAAAIIIILLLLLL!!
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Bump fine.
You douches were screaming "obama got osama" blah blah blhah, "gutsy call", "still think obama is a one termer?" Etc etc, and now don't want to blame him for the grotesqe increase deaths in afghanistan since he is potus? Want me to post those numbers?
Funny thing too that as obama sinks further and further and futher in all the polls, the defense of this admn gets more pathetic.
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more stupid shit arguments
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more stupid shit arguments
Yeah - cause we all know Orambo got Osama.
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Yeah - cause we all know Orambo got Osama.
More stupid arguments from tool time. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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All of the people who credit Obama's "gutsy move" on getting Osama Bin Laden and his leadership, blah blah blah, have been awfully silent on the increasing deaths in the war over there.
So if Bama gets credit for Osama do we also credit Obama with the Seals' deaths?
wow really.. shit like this grosses me out.. fuck man.. how low will you stoop
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damn i just read through this thread.. you are really fucked in the head for this one.. damn bro you really know no limits do you.. fuck thats bad
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wow really.. shit like this grosses me out.. fuck man.. how low will you stoop
Just trying to be consistent. Bush never got an ounce of credit from the far leftists like yourself for getting Saddam, and got marches, protests, calls for his imprisonment, etc, funny how that has all gone away now that the bubonic plague is in office.
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Just trying to be consistent. Bush never got an ounce of credit from the far leftists like yourself for getting Saddam, and got marches, protests, calls for his imprisonment, etc, funny how that has all gone away now that the bubonic plague is in office.
That's because he invaded based on BS intel and fucked up the occupation. He did get credit for that. :D
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Just trying to be consistent. Bush never got an ounce of credit from the far leftists like yourself for getting Saddam, and got marches, protests, calls for his imprisonment, etc, funny how that has all gone away now that the bubonic plague is in office.
Your spin cycle is in full effect. Totally opposite stories here.. you know the difference.. but you play the dumb role because maybe even you can see how fucked up this thread is.. im not going to humor you, youve done this shit a lot on this thread.. but again... youre really sick for this one.. total bush league move there scumbag
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That's because he invaded based on BS intel and fucked up the occupation. He did get credit for that. :D
Which everyone believed was true - including hillary, kerry, the UN, and many others.
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Which everyone believed was true - including hillary, kerry, the UN, and many others.
so what?
I didn't.
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so what?
I didn't.
Funny - I didnt remember Ozmo from getbig being privy to the same intel as Bush, Hillary, Kerry, and the UN were and being asked for his assessment on the matter.
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Funny - I didnt remember Ozmo from getbig being privy to the same intel as Bush, Hillary, Kerry, and the UN were and being asked for his assessment on the matter.
Didn't have to. It was common sense. Something that a country with war fever always lacks.
Even if they did WMD's he wouldn't have used them.
And they should have talked to me first. Maybe 3000 dead Americans would still be alive if for any reason i would have had a better after invasion plan.
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Hillary and Kerry and others disagreed.
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Hillary and Kerry and others disagreed.
They were trapped in potantial policial suicide if they voted against it when a country has war fever.
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same old bull shit argument: Dems voted for it!
Who gives a shit who voted for it? I am not a tool like you, i don't see things as dem and repub the way tools do.
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They were trapped in potantial policial suicide if they voted against it when a country has war fever.
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same old bull shit argument: Dems voted for it!
Who gives a shit who voted for it? I am not a tool like you, i don't see things as dem and repub the way tools do.
So the idiot GWB outsmarted those geniuses into voting for this?
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Not trying to do that at all.
that's exactly what you were trying to do. ::)
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So the idiot GWB outsmarted those geniuses into voting for this?
No, Einstein, GWB, took advantage of an opportunity.
Try and keep up. seriously.
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GWB may have looked like an idiot at times, but he wasn't.
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GWB may have looked like an idiot at times, but he wasn't.
I thought he was a jerkoff personally for pushing open borders, dubai ports, harriet meyers, drug bill, NCLB, spending like a madman, etc.
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I thought he was a jerkoff personally for pushing open borders, dubai ports, harriet meyers, drug bill, NCLB, spending like a madman, etc.
Agreed. My biggest beef on him was the Iraq war. The rest of it i can chalk up to the sad state our government has been in for years.
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Just trying to be consistent.
No problem there. You are quite consistent.
Consistently stupid.
Consistently whining.
Consistently crying.
Consistently full of shit.
Consistently back pedaling.
Consistently deflecting.
Consistently denying.
Consistently twisting and spinning.
Consistently getting your ass handed to you on this thread.
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No problem there. You are quite consistent.
Consistently stupid.
Consistently whining.
Consistently crying.
Consistently full of shit.
Consistently back pedaling.
Consistently deflecting.
Consistently denying.
Consistently twisting and spinning.
Consistently getting your ass handed to you on this thread.
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Bullshit photoshop of the man that owns your feeble mind?
Consistent!
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During the same week as the SEALs came home we also lost 5 others.
Last week, soon after that helicopter crashed killing 30 US troops, five more were killed in an IED attack when members of Company C, 1st Battalion, 32nd Infantry Regiment, 3rd Brigade Combat Team, 10th Mountain Division rolled over the explosive device in their MRAP. Now there was hardly a blip in the media when these five died. So, with the headlines blasting over the helicopter crash, the president almost broke his neck to get to the air field to get his picture taken saluting the returning heroes. I wonder if he’ll bother to take some time out from this week’s activities to welcome these latest fallen soldiers. I’ll grant you that they aren’t SEALs, but that doesn’t make their sacrifice any less valuable or any less deserving of the president’s presence.
Obama is a piece of shit.
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During the same week as the SEALs came home we also lost 5 others.
Last week, soon after that helicopter crashed killing 30 US troops, five more were killed in an IED attack when members of Company C, 1st Battalion, 32nd Infantry Regiment, 3rd Brigade Combat Team, 10th Mountain Division rolled over the explosive device in their MRAP. Now there was hardly a blip in the media when these five died. So, with the headlines blasting over the helicopter crash, the president almost broke his neck to get to the air field to get his picture taken saluting the returning heroes. I wonder if he’ll bother to take some time out from this week’s activities to welcome these latest fallen soldiers. I’ll grant you that they aren’t SEALs, but that doesn’t make their sacrifice any less valuable or any less deserving of the president’s presence.
Obama is a piece of shit.
I've been going to memorial services at the 25th for the past month or so. They have taken a beating. No president, governor, mayor, etc. at those services. Just a blip on the newswire.
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During the same week as the SEALs came home we also lost 5 others.
Last week, soon after that helicopter crashed killing 30 US troops, five more were killed in an IED attack when members of Company C, 1st Battalion, 32nd Infantry Regiment, 3rd Brigade Combat Team, 10th Mountain Division rolled over the explosive device in their MRAP. Now there was hardly a blip in the media when these five died. So, with the headlines blasting over the helicopter crash, the president almost broke his neck to get to the air field to get his picture taken saluting the returning heroes. I wonder if he’ll bother to take some time out from this week’s activities to welcome these latest fallen soldiers. I’ll grant you that they aren’t SEALs, but that doesn’t make their sacrifice any less valuable or any less deserving of the president’s presence.
Obama is a piece of shit.
So should he be at everyone of them on every KIA?
Was BUSH?
Com on man.
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So should he be at everyone of them on every KIA?
Was BUSH?
Com on man.
I believe the point HH6 is trying to make is that the SEAL incident was a photo op, and the photo got out even though the families didn't want cameras there.
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Bush didn't go to any because he didn't want to elevate on death over another...further, Bush used to go to Walter Reed alot, no photo ops...He met with the families a ton. Barry uses everything for a photo op, not just the military.
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I believe the point HH6 is trying to make is that the SEAL incident was a photo op, and the photo got out even though the families didn't want cameras there.
Exactly.
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Bush didn't go to any because he didn't want to elevate on death over another...further, Bush used to go to Walter Reed alot, no photo ops...He met with the families a ton. Barry uses everything for a photo op, not just the military.
Agree with this too.
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Actually, one can easily make the argument that the ridiculous Obama spearheaded ROE in Afghanistan led to the deaths of these guys:
Mission Unnecessary?
Growing indications SEALs sent on low-level mission.
There are growing indications that the U.S. military should never have launched the ill-fated helicopter mission that sent 38 U.S. and Afghan troops crashing to their deaths in eastern Afghanistan.
The military initially said that the troops -- including 22 Navy SEALs -- who died on Saturday were on their way to rescue a contingent of Army Rangers who were pinned down by insurgents, only to drop that account on Wednesday. Now officials say the troops were sent to apprehend fleeing militants, a far lower-level mission that could have been carried out by smaller numbers of conventional forces. The Rangers had been sent to Wardak Province, a violent and sparsely-populated region of the country, in pursuit of a local Taliban commander thought to control a small network of local fighters.
The target escaped, and an array of current and retired Special Operations personnel believe the wanted militant was simply not a significant-enough Taliban leader to justify risking the lives of so many highly trained forces.
A former SEAL commander with extensive recent combat experience said he didn't know who the Taliban leader was, but there was no way he was worth losing 38 men.
In separate interviews, three active-duty Special Operations personnel leveled an additional critique. They told National Journal that the Rangers who'd asked for the reinforcements were ultimately able to push
back the militants and secure the crash site on their own -- and without suffering any casualties. That was clear evidence, they say, that the SEALs hadn't been needed in the first place.
"Those Rangers weren't in imminent danger," one of the officers said by phone from Afghanistan, speaking on background because of the ongoing military probe into the crash and a desire to avoid appearing to speak ill of the dead troops. He said there was time to think through whether it made sense to send such a large SEAL element to Wardak.
The military critics acknowledged that it was easy to question such decisions with the benefit of hindsight and stressed that making calls in the midst of an ongoing engagement was an inherently difficult process -- officers often have to make split-second decisions based on incomplete and often contradictory information.
The Special Operations personnel told National Journal that understanding whether a mission like Saturday's SEAL deployment should have even taken place -- and should be repeated in the future -- was at least as important as figuring out what went wrong this time around.
The military has tabbed a one-star Army general to lead an internal investigation into the circumstances of the mission and the specific reasons the helicopter crashed, but it's not clear whether his mandate will extend to the overarching question of whether it should have been launched in the first place.
U.S. commanders in Afghanistan, meanwhile, have fueled the growing questions over the mission by providing differing explanations for the mission itself.
On Monday, senior U.S. military officials said the U.S. and Afghan troops had rushed to Wardak to reinforce a detachment of Army Rangers who were pinned down by insurgents while hunting for a high-ranking
Taliban leader. The Chinook copter was bringing the forces to the scene of “an ongoing engagement" between Nato-led forces and insurgents when it crashed, the U.S.-led military coalition said in a written statement.
But the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan on Wednesday offered reporters a markedly different account of why the reinforcements – which included several members of SEAL Team 6, one of the military’s most highly-trained counterterror units – had been rushed to Wardak’s Tangi Valley.
Gen. John Allen said the U.S. and Afghan teams had been sent to Wardak to prevent wanted insurgents from melting away into the surrounding countryside. There was no mention of sending the SEALs to rescue other American troops.
“There were elements that were escaping,” Allen told reporters from Kabul. “And in the course of their attempt to depart the objective, we committed a force to contain that element from getting out.”
Allen’s account immediately raised questions about why U.S. commanders had sent so many troops, including such a large number of SEALs, to hunt for relatively low-ranking insurgents in a remote and sparsely-populated part of Afghanistan. SEAL Team 6 only has about 300 operators around the world, so a disproportionate share of the storied unit’s fighting strength was wiped out in Saturday’s crash. It was the worst single-day loss of the long Afghan war for U.S. forces and the deadliest day ever for the Special Operations Command, which oversees the SEALs and other highly-trained units.
Asked if the decision to send in the SEALs had been the right one, Allen said only that he was “comfortable that that was the right decision to be made at that time.”
The general said U.S. forces tracked down the individual insurgent responsible for shooting down the Chinook and killed him and a Taliban figure named Mullah Mohibullah in an airstrike late Monday. But Allen didn't go into any detail on how that individual was identified or how the U.S. was certain it had found the one militant who actually pulled the trigger on the rocket-propelled grenade that brought down the helicopter.
In Afghanistan, meanwhile, Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told Reuters that “the person who shot down the helicopter is alive and he is in another province operating against (U.S. and coalition forces),” according to the wire service.
Allen also acknowledged -- crucially -- that the original target of Saturday's raid, an unnamed militant suspected of being the senior Taliban commander in the Tangi Valley, managed to escape and remains at large.
“Did we get the leader that we were going after in the initial operation?” Allen said. “No, we did not.”
Even if U.S. forces had killed that insurgent leader, however, it is debatable whether it would have been a turning point for the fight in eastern Afghanistan, let alone for the entire war.
The number of targeted raids by SEALs and other Special Operations personnel has escalated sharply, and U.S. officials estimate those troops have killed nearly 3,000 Taliban fighters in the past six months,
including roughly 600 insurgent commanders. Allen claimed coalition forces had reversed the Taliban's momentum in key areas of the country, particularly southern Afghanistan.
Still, the missions haven’t dented the militants’ willingness or ability to fight. There were 1,600 detonations of improved explosive devices in June, an all-time high, and the Taliban are now regularly conducting attacks in once-quiet parts of northern and eastern Afghanistan.
Even southern Afghanistan, the main focus of U.S. operations over the past year, remains dangerous. On Thursday, a massive IED tore through a coalition patrol, killing five troops. At least 388 U.S. and NATO
forces have died so far this year, putting 2011 on pace to match, and probably exceed, the record 711 troops who were killed in Afghanistan last year.
That, in the end, for the troops at least, may be the most dispiriting aspect of last weekend’s failed mission: Even if the Rangers and SEALs had succeeded in finding their target and safely returning home, it may not have made all that much of a difference in how quickly the war ends.
http://nationaljournal.com/mission-unnecessary--20110811?page=2
Thanks, Barack!
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Again - where is moveon.org, code pink, ANSWER, et al?
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Bush didn't go to any because he didn't want to elevate on death over another...further, Bush used to go to Walter Reed alot, no photo ops...He met with the families a ton. Barry uses everything for a photo op, not just the military.
so you say that to say what...Bush cared more about the troops or something.. and how do you know when obama visits troops if he dosent want the cameras...like bush did...um you wouldnt know would you...because there were no cameras there..lol...
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Again - where is moveon.org, code pink, ANSWER, et al?
Here you go.
They hound the shit out of Obama.
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Bush didn't go to any because he didn't want to elevate on death over another...further, Bush used to go to Walter Reed alot, no photo ops...He met with the families a ton. Barry uses everything for a photo op, not just the military.
We forget, this is the same president who was advised to give the ambasitor of England a collection of DVD's as the first exchange of gifts the British initiated with us. They gave us a plaque made of wood from some famous historical sea vessels from the 1700 or something. This is also a president who gave the queen of England an iPod. So, a shallow visit doesn't surprise me or he could have honestly felt compelled to do it for reasons of respect and obligation. either way..... Repubs vs democrats. At some point we are going to see that stupid shit is stupid shit.
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BUSH LIED!
PEOPLE DIED!
HEIL OBAMA!
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4 days later and the beat down of 333 continues here in this bullshit thread.
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4 days later and the beat down of 333 continues here in this bullshit thread.
Yeah ok dipshit - go look at the casualty rates in Afghanistan for the 8 years of Bush compared to Obama.
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Yeah ok dipshit - go look at the casualty rates in Afghanistan for the 8 years of Bush compared to Obama.
Oh well-
They weren`t going to write Beethoven`s Ninth Symphony anyways.
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Oh well-
They weren`t going to write Beethoven`s Ninth Symphony anyways.
Fuck you.
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Fuck you.
Well you brought it up.
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Well you brought it up.
Our soldiers contribute more to this country before muster in the morning than you have in your entire life.
You are a disgrace.
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Our soldiers contribute more to this country before muster in the morning than you have in your entire life.
You are a disgrace.
I had a friend in the Army who was a Truck Driver. She didn`t contribute anything. She even went to Iraq but never even got to drive a truck. She was just there for the parties, at least that is what she said.
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Yeah ok dipshit - go look at the casualty rates in Afghanistan for the 8 years of Bush compared to Obama.
Deflect, Derail, Deny, Backpedal, spin, FFFFAAAAIIIILLLLL
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Yeah ok dipshit - go look at the casualty rates in Afghanistan for the 8 years of Bush compared to Obama.
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Lame.
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Our soldiers contribute more to this country before muster in the morning than you have in your entire life.
You are a disgrace.
You're the disgrace.. this bullshit thread trying to put fault of these soldiers death on Obama because you dont like him. That shit is disturbing and sickening
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Our soldiers contribute more to this country before muster in the morning than you have in your entire life.
You are a disgrace.
And what are you? Other than a PPPOOOFFFSSSS!!!!!
You don't contribute anything but the continued crying and whining that you do all day long.
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You're the disgrace.. this bullshit thread trying to put fault of these soldiers death on Obama because you dont like him. That shit is disturbing and sickening
64% of all deaths in Afghanistan have occurred in the last two years alone.
Incompetence at the top? Different rules of engagement? don't know - maybe HH6 can explain.
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RPaul wants to bring the troops home.
Perry and Obama want to keep the wars raging.
Which candidate REALLY cares more about life and limb of our soldiers? :)
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All of the people who credit Obama's "gutsy move" on getting Osama Bin Laden and his leadership, blah blah blah, have been awfully silent on the increasing deaths in the war over there.
So if Bama gets credit for Osama do we also credit Obama with the Seals' deaths?
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At least we can all agree that these Seals are much better than those other SEALS.
(http://www.animals-zone.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/seals-27.jpg)
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At least we can all agree that these Seals are much better than those other SEALS.
(http://www.animals-zone.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/seals-27.jpg)
Much better for furry clothing or killing terrorists?
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At least we can all agree that these Seals are much better than those other SEALS.
(http://www.animals-zone.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/seals-27.jpg)
I think we call all agree that you should shut the fuck up.
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Much better for furry clothing or killing terrorists?
Better to pet. Come on, if you saw that little fluff ball you know you would want to pet it. At least I would.
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Bin Laden and Seal Team 6 Deaths
http://barnhardt.biz/ ^ | 8-7-11 | Ann Barhardt
The Execution Of SEAL Team Six Penned by Ann Barnhardt 8-7-11
The Execution of SEAL Team Six (Part 1)
On May 5th, I had an email conversation with a retired military man with spook contacts. All were in total agreement that the Bin Laden episode was pure theater. The SEALS were sent into a compound as evidenced by the lost chopper on site. But Osama Bin Laden wasn't in that compound. Osama Bin Laden has been dead for years. Bin Laden had a genetic condition that caused renal failure (this genetic condition is common among deeply inbred Saudi arab muslims). Bin Laden had been on dialysis BEFORE 9/11. Dialysis is difficult enough for people in first world countries who can have it done in outstanding facilities. Bin Laden was having it done either in caves or in homes post 9/11. People in renal failure having dialysis done in fricking caves do NOT live for ten more years. Period. There was no dialysis equipment found in the compound the SEALS raided on May
2. Of course there wasn't. Bin Laden wasn't in that compound because Bin Laden has been dead for years. This is why the "body" was declared "positively identified" faster than any known DNA testing process in existence - and this DNA testing was carried out not in a lab mind you, but inside Chinook and/or V-22 Osprey helos en route to the USS Carl Vinson. The body was then dumped into the Indian Ocean in a mad dash to ensure that "burial" took place within 24 hours of death in order to "honor" musloid burial traditions. Not a single picture of the so-called "Bin Laden corpse" has ever been released - and never will.
The entire Bin Laden episode was stagecraft. It was pure theater that was designed to give Obama a boost in the polls and give distraction and cover. Distract from what? Cover from what?
April 20, 2011: The release date of Dr. Jerome Corsi's book, "Where's the Birth Certificate" is announced as May 17, and pre-sales begin on Amazon.com. Corsi's work is known to be extremely thorough and meticulous. Within hours, Corsi's book is #1 on Amazon.com - fully 28 days before its release. The Obama regime is panicked. April 27, 2011: In order to diffuse and undercut the Corsi book, the Obama regime releases a PDF image purported to be a scan of his original long-form Hawaiian birth certificate. Within hours, thousands of graphic designers, many of whom are self-professed Obama voters and supporters, isolate and demonstrate with dozens of objective proof sets that the PDF released by the Obama regime is not just a forgery, but an astoundingly incompetent and obvious forgery.
April 27 through May 2: The Obama regime is now in a blind panic. Deeming it too risky, instead of commissioning the forged birth certificate from document and photo illustration experts within the CIA or NSA, the Obama regime instead farmed the project off on someone inside the White House with a functional but middling knowledge of photo illustration programs. To the thoroughly inexpert eyes of Barack Obama, Michelle Obama and Valerie Jarrett, the forged certificate file appeared extremely convincing, and was thus released with fanfare. Within hours, they knew that they had not only made a mistake, but a massive mistake that could land them all in prison. The forger was so incompetent that he/she didn't even flatten the image thus compressing and masking the component layers before posting it. And that was just the tip of the iceberg of glaring flaws and errors. The mainstream press was, so far, completely complicit in the cover-up of the forgery, but Rathergate proved that if the forgery debunking generated any mainstream traction whatsoever, the end could come swiftly.
The Obama regime needed a big distraction and they needed it fast. They had been planning on holding the staged Bin Laden capture and killing until 2012 for the thick of the campaign, and perhaps as an "October Surprise", but it would have to be moved up to now.
May 2, 2011: The Bin Laden operation occurs. In all likelihood, a low-to-mid level Taliban or insurgent leader is killed.
May 3, 2011: Within hours, Vice President Joe Biden destroys any notions of OPSEC and bellows to the entire world in public remarks at a dinner at the Ritz Carlton that the Bin Laden raid was carried out by "the SEALS". Within hours Obama regime had gleefully leaked that the raid was carried out by "SEAL Team 6", also known as DEVGRU. Up until this point in history, all DEVGRU activities and information had been highly classified. Now the term "SEAL Team 6" was blasted across every newspaper in the world, with Disney even moving to trademark the name. The Obama regime wanted the ENTIRE WORLD to know the name "SEAL Team 6".
May 5, 2011: As I said earlier, I conversed with retired military contact with spook contacts regarding the obvious theatrics of the Bin Laden episode and the need for a cover-up by the Obama regime. The conversation ended with the following exchange:
Ann: I'm on the US Military casualty email list. It would be NO PROBLEM to "hide" casualties. It's a steady stream out of Afghanistan.
Contact: look for training accidents in the eastern mountains.
May 6, 2011: Obama travels to Ft. Campbell, KY to openly "meet and congratulate" SEAL Team 6 members. This receives huge press coverage, and the press declares the incident "a huge boost [for Obama] going into 2012."
The Execution of SEAL Team Six (Part 2)
Posted by Ann Barnhard
August 6, AD 2011
August 6, 2011: A Chinook helo is shot down in Tangi, Wardak Province, Afghanistan. Within hours, before family notifications could possibly have been completed, global press accounts positively confirm that 22 of the 30 Americans killed were not just SEALS, but members of SEAL Team 6. Again, DEVGRU operations have been, up until now, highly classified. Today, the Obama regime made a point of immediately revealing the unit identities of the SPECOPS forces among the dead.
In the past, DEVGRU men and other SPECOPS men have been killed in action, but their missions were so secret and so crucial to OPSEC that their deaths were covered-up by the government and attributed to such things as "training accidents" and the like and I have no problem with that. These men understand going in to intense units such as DEVGRU that OPSEC is paramount, that they will never be publicly acknowledged for their heroism, and that if they are killed or captured in action, the government will lie about that in order to protect OPSEC and to prevent the enemy from gaining a propaganda and morale coup. Compare that reality with what happened today. The Obama regime distributed this information, and the Obama regime's lapdog press instantly splashed headlines declaring this as the Taliban's "REVENGE" for the "death of Bin Laden." As I write this now, the Drudge Report headline in bright red reads, "REVENGE: SEALS WHO GOT OSAMA KILLED IN AFGHANISTAN."
I'll say what everyone else is thinking but is too scared to say. The Obama regime is almost certainly directly complicit in these deaths. The time, location and most especially, the PASSENGERS in the Chinook were passed to the Taliban. Additionally, you can't take out a Chinook with small arms fire or even standard RPGs such as the Taliban use. The Taliban needed serious weaponry to take this helo down, and that serious weaponry needed to be in exactly the right spot at exactly the right time, ready to fire.
Why would the Obama regime kill Americans? I think the question is, why WOULDN'T the Obama regime kill Americans? The Obama regime is composed of Marxist-Leninist psychopaths. A glancing, superficial survey of 20th century history shows one glaring fact above all others: MARXISTS MURDER PEOPLE WITHOUT COMPUNCTION. Marxists also hate Americans, by definition. Three tacks:
1. The men on board the Chinook may have been the same men who participated or had direct knowledge of the staged Bin Laden raid and were killed to permanently silence them. See my email exchange of May 5 above.
2. These DEVGRU men were killed to send a signal to the surviving DEVGRU men who carried out the Bin Laden raid to keep their mouths shut.
3. Certainly, the release of the unit identity of the dead within hours before even family notification could have been made (which requires an IN PERSON visit to the family, remember) was an obvious bow to Al Qaeda, the Taliban and the entire muslim world. This event was INSTANTLY propagandized by the Obama media as "revenge" exacted for Bin Laden's death. And remember, Bin Laden has been dead for many years. The raid of May 2 was pure stagecraft to distract the world from the release of the forged Obama birth certificate.
I am not a conspiracy theorist. I can't stand Alex Jones or any 9/11 truther. I have turned down dozens of interviews with such types. In fact, I am a huge believer in the Lex Parsimoniae, which is sometimes called "Occam's Razor", which states that the simplest explanation is most likely the correct one. I teach this as part of my job, namely that the cattle markets are neither manipulated nor impossible to operate within at a profit. The reality is that the cattle industry participants do not make money because they are functionally incompetent. It is very, very simple. True conspiracies are very rare.
This entire Obama situation is a conspiracy, and I say that without the slightest hesitation. Obama is not a citizen of the United States, he is a puppet front for a cabal of Marxist-Leninsts including Soros, Ayers, Dohrn, Strong, Jarrett and many, many others. These people are enemies of the United States. These people are deeply psychologically damaged, and are capable of ordering people murdered in order to protect themselves and increase their own power. The three dead homosexual black men from Trinity United Church of Christ, Young, Bland and Spencer, all of whom were sexually linked to Barack Obama, were probably the first people specifically murdered by the Obama regime. The hundreds of Mexicans and the two American agents Terry and Zapata were murdered by Operation Fast and Furious in order to advance and increase the power of the Obama regime. These SEALS and the others on board that Chinook today were almost certainly betrayed and murdered by the Obama regime.
Why did the Obama regime immediately reveal the unit identity of the SPECOPS forces involved in the first place, despite the fact that DEVGRU was highly classified? Why was the personnel composition of the Chinook released IMMEDIATELY today after the helo went down before even family notifications could be made? WHY? Why would you hand your enemy, Al Qaeda and the Taliban, a massive propaganda coup? WHY?
I'll tell you why. Because the Obama regime IS THE ENEMY. They are Marxist tyrants who hold the lives of Americans not just cheap, but in scathing contempt. They will say anything, they will do anything, and they will murder ANYONE in order to protect themselves and consolidate and increase their power. Please, I beg you, for the love of God and all that is good in this world, read the history of the Soviet Union. Read about Lenin and Stalin and how they murdered people without any hesitation. Read about how Hitler was constantly ordering the murder of his own officers. Read about Communist China. Read about Mao and the millions upon tens of millions of murders he ordered. Read about the killing fields of the Communist Khmer Rouge in Cambodia led by Pol Pot. PLEASE. Marxists MURDER PEOPLE. That is what they do. The Obama regime is MARXIST to the bone. If the Obama regime is not stopped, the 30 Americans murdered today in Afghanistan will be just the beginning. I promise you that.
Here, again, is the clip of Larry Grathwohl, who infiltrated the Weather Underground Marxist terrorist organization in the 1970s. The Weather Underground was founded by Obama's political godfather, communist mentor (along with Frank Marshall Davis), murderer, and ghostwriter of "Dreams From My Father", Bill Ayers and his wife Bernardine Dohrn. In this interview, taped in 1980 while Obama was still just an unknown undergrad foreign scholarship student at Occidental College, Grathwohl describes the leadership of the Weather Underground (which is Ayers and Dohrn) discussing what will be done with the "unreformable, diehard capitalists" once they have overthrown the government of the United States. The answer is extermination in camps in the Southwest. The estimated total that would need to be killed? 25 million, which was 10% of the population at the time. Ayers & Dohrn already have overthrown the government of the United States via their puppet protégé, Barack Obama. They have guaranteed that the economy will collapse. The only thing left for them to do is suspend the Constitution and open the camps.
"Democracy is two wolves deciding what to eat for dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote." -Thomas Jefferson-
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The only thing more pathetic than this thread - other than the person who started it - is the fact he is still trying to save it with delusional spin all this time later.
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The only thing more pathetic than this thread - other than the person who started it - is the fact he is still trying to save it with delusional spin all this time later.
damn i thought i was the only one who saw it.
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damn i thought i was the only one who saw it.
As if the rest of the board could miss his pathetic little attempt at derailing, deflecting, denying, spinning, and trying to talk about something else.
Just like he does in every other thread he posts on.