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Title: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: Butterbean on August 15, 2011, 07:49:36 AM
Israel?
Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: Deicide on August 15, 2011, 07:58:08 AM
Israel?

The same view for Israel as for every other country; free trade, travel, no foreign aid, etc...
Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 15, 2011, 07:59:57 AM
Israel?

Leave em alone to bomb the fuck out out of their enemies and send the animals to Allah. 
Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: Deicide on August 15, 2011, 08:00:14 AM
Israel?

Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: Deicide on August 15, 2011, 08:04:13 AM
Israel?

Just curious, but are you asking this because you think Israel is important for the 2nd Coming of Christ? ???
Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: loco on August 15, 2011, 08:07:13 AM
I've seen where some Republicans spread misinformation about Ron Paul saying that he is anti-Israel.  
Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: Deicide on August 15, 2011, 08:08:16 AM
I've seen where some Republicans spread misinformation about Ron Paul saying that he is anti-Israel.  

There are a lot of Far Right Christians who support Israel solely for theological reasons...it's very scary.
Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: loco on August 15, 2011, 08:13:28 AM
There are a lot of Far Right Christians who support Israel solely for theological reasons...it's very scary.

So do I.  But in my opinion, this doesn't mean that we should support everything Israel does.  Israel makes mistakes and commits sins too.  The Bible is filled with them.  We Christians should bless and support Israel, but at the same time we are not to support their sins or give them aid that they do not need.
Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: Deicide on August 15, 2011, 08:18:54 AM
So do I.  But in my opinion, this doesn't mean that we should support everything Israel does.  Israel makes mistakes and commits sins too.  The Bible is filled with them.  We Christians should bless and support Israel, but at the same time we are not to support their sins or give them aid that they do not need.

Well, spread that word to your fellow Christians as too many of them figure that Israel fits right in with their eschatological world view...
Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: roccoginge on August 15, 2011, 08:19:44 AM
All of the problems we have in the middle east are directly related to Israel, fact.
Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: Deicide on August 15, 2011, 08:21:13 AM
All of the problems we have in the middle east is directly related to Israel, fact.

No, not all of them, just some of them.
Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 15, 2011, 08:22:03 AM
All of the problems we have in the middle east is directly related to Israel, fact.


No its not a fact.


Thats pure nonsense.   

Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: loco on August 15, 2011, 08:25:34 AM
All of the problems we have in the middle east are directly related to Israel, fact.

Wrong!
Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: loco on August 15, 2011, 09:06:42 AM
Ron Paul: The Most Pro-Israel Candidate

August 14, 2011

After last week’s GOP debate in Ames, Iowa we received many questions about Ron Paul’s stance on Israel and Iran. And while as grassroots supporters we do not speak for Ron Paul himself in any way, here’s how we understand his position.

Ron Paul: The Most Pro-Israel Candidate

First of all, it may come as a surprise to many that Ron Paul is actually the most pro-Israel candidate in the presidential race.

With hundreds of nuclear weapons in her possession, Israel has become the most powerful state in the Middle East. She could easily take on her neighbors and eliminate any and all threats to her existence.

Ron Paul would not stop Israel from defending her interests in any way she saw fit. When Israel attacked a nuclear reactor in Iraq in 1981, almost the entire U.S. Congress voted to condemn the act. Ron Paul was one of the few dissenters: he voted against the condemnation and in favor of Israel’s right to self-determination.

Ending Foreign Aid Sets Israel Free

Ron Paul has also been criticized for wanting to “end foreign aid to Israel.” He had in fact called for an end to all foreign aid in general. Foreign aid is like an entitlement: eventually the recipient grows dependent on it and will do everything in his power to continue the flow of funds. This might even involve spending some of the already-received payments to “lobby” for more money.

Ron Paul believes this is a bad thing. Not only does foreign aid lead to corruption on both sides; it is inherently immoral. Ron Paul said that “foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country and giving it to the rich people of a poor country.”

If foreign aid to all countries were stopped immediately, Israel would be the biggest net beneficiary. This is because the U.S. pays much more foreign aid to Israel’s enemies combined than to Israel.

Like a discouraged unemployed person whose welfare payments are about to run out, Israel would finally have the motivation to take care of herself, for example by ending socialist domestic policies within Israel. This in turn would make Israel much stronger and more independent. Ending all foreign aid would indeed set Israel free.

Iran Is a Big Nobody

Iran is a large country, but from a military point of view they are a big nobody. They are surrounded by nuclear powers, they have no air force, no navy, and they are even incapable of producing as much gasoline as they need. Iranian officials are relegated to grudgingly hoping that “the Zionist regime will collapse”, which is the real meaning of Ahmadinejad’s infamous phrase frequently mistranslated as “we will wipe Israel off the map”.

Is is understandable that Iran wants to gain the international respect they deserve as a country of 75 million people. But according to U.S. intelligence reports there are no indications whatsoever that Iran is actively working on creating or obtaining a nuclear weapon.

Israel Can Do What She Wants – But Leave America Out of It

If Israel believes that Iran might one day become a nuclear power and that such a development would be against her interests, Ron Paul would not stop Israel from doing whatever she deemed necessary to defend herself. Israeli assassination squads are already operating within Iran, and several Iranian nuclear scientists found themselves torn apart by mysterious explosions over the past few years. Ron Paul did not interfere. In fact, he would not even prohibit Israel from initiating a devastating nuclear attack on Iran.

However, neither would Ron Paul allow American lives to be sacrificed for Israeli interests. If Israeli officials knew that American kids will not throw themselves into the line of fire whenever Israel feels threatened by the boastful words of some wannabe dictator, Israel will act more responsibly when dealing with her neighbors – and grow much stronger for it.

Ron Paul Will Allow Israel to Blossom

Like it or not, Ron Paul is the most pro-Israel candidate out there. His wise policies – not by design, but by pure logical consequence – will permit Israel to blossom as a truly free, independent and powerful state.

This article does not claim to represent Ron Paul’s official position on Israel and Iran. It’s just a summary of how we – as his grassroots supporters – interpret his statements on the issue. Please post a comment if you believe we misinterpreted Ron Paul’s position.

http://www.ronpaul.com/2011-08-14/ron-paul-the-most-pro-israel-candidate/
Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: Skeletor on August 15, 2011, 09:13:53 AM

With hundreds of nuclear weapons in her possession, Israel has become the most powerful state in the Middle East.

Israel? Nuclear weapons? More like deliberate ambiguity.. 

I think this sums up RP's position best:

Israel Can Do What She Wants – But Leave America Out of It

However, neither would Ron Paul allow American lives to be sacrificed for Israeli interests.
Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: Hugo Chavez on August 15, 2011, 12:03:15 PM
Just curious, but are you asking this because you think Israel is important for the 2nd Coming of Christ? ???
it's so freaking scary how many christians believe that crap, and dangerous.
Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: Butterbean on August 16, 2011, 06:52:59 AM
Thanks for the vid, article, info etc.  I saw him on some show last night and like him more and more.

Just curious, but are you asking this because you think Israel is important for the 2nd Coming of Christ? ???

No, end times stuff wasn't why I was asking...more Gen 12:3 and I agree w/loco's post re: Israel.

I had heard, as loco said that RP was anti-Israel.  In looking into it, that does seem like misinfo.   Why would Repubs do that ???

it's so freaking scary how many christians believe that crap, and dangerous.

Why, what part of Christians believing that Christ will return is scary and dangerous ???



Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: loco on August 16, 2011, 08:00:48 AM
it's so freaking scary how many christians believe that crap, and dangerous.

Why?
Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: outby43 on August 16, 2011, 08:14:55 AM

I had heard, as loco said that RP was anti-Israel.  In looking into it, that does seem like misinfo.   Why would Repubs do that ???


Ron Paul will ruin the Republican agenda.  They do not want him in there at all.
Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: Deicide on August 16, 2011, 08:28:56 AM
Why?

Mixing theology and politics/policy is about as toxic a mix as you can come up with; come on, Christians who want Israel to start a war with Iran because they think it will usher in the Apocalypse? That is dangerous, period.
Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: The True Adonis on August 16, 2011, 08:35:40 AM
Mixing theology and politics/policy is about as toxic a mix as you can come up with; come on, Christians who want Israel to start a war with Iran because they think it will usher in the Apocalypse? That is dangerous, period.
Thats what Poop Paul does best since he does NOT believe in Thomas Jefferson`s WALL OF SEPARATION between Church and State. 
Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: loco on August 16, 2011, 09:04:17 AM
Mixing theology and politics/policy is about as toxic a mix as you can come up with; come on, Christians who want Israel to start a war with Iran because they think it will usher in the Apocalypse? That is dangerous, period.

Thats what Poop Paul does best since he does NOT believe in Thomas Jefferson`s WALL OF SEPARATION between Church and State. 

You are both jumping all over the place.  Ron Paul does not want to start a war with Iran.  And the "attack Iran" propaganda has nothing to do with Christianity.

This thread is about Ron Paul's view on Israel.
Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: Deicide on August 16, 2011, 09:05:42 AM
You are both jumping all over the place.  Ron Paul does not want to start a war with Iran.  And the "attack Iran" propaganda has nothing to do with Christianity.

This thread is about Ron Paul's view on Israel.

I wasn't talking about RP at all cabron, I was talking about extreme right wing Christians...
Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: loco on August 16, 2011, 09:06:34 AM
I had heard, as loco said that RP was anti-Israel.  In looking into it, that does seem like misinfo.   Why would Repubs do that ???

The GOP elites do not like Ron Paul.  Ron Paul is too much of a traditional, constitutional republican for them.
Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: loco on August 16, 2011, 09:10:07 AM
I wasn't talking about RP at all cabron, I was talking about extreme right wing Christians...

And you were responding to my question as to why it's scary to Hugo that Christians in general believe Israel will play an important role in the end times.  Why is that dangerous?  Christians, unlike Muslims, do not believe that there is anything that we can or need to do to assist God in bringing about the end times, or to accelerate the end times.  We believe that it is all in God's hands and that there is nothing we can or need to do about it.
Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: Deicide on August 16, 2011, 09:12:03 AM
Thanks for the vid, article, info etc.  I saw him on some show last night and like him more and more.

No, end times stuff wasn't why I was asking...more Gen 12:3 and I agree w/loco's post re: Israel.

I had heard, as loco said that RP was anti-Israel.  In looking into it, that does seem like misinfo.   Why would Repubs do that ???

Why, what part of Christians believing that Christ will return is scary and dangerous ???





Some right wing Christians believe in actively bringing about the end by pushing for war between Israel, the USA and Iran. They support Israel only because of theological reasons. That is dangerous. Apart from that, many people think if you don't unilaterally support Israel, you are anti-Israel or an anti-semite...
Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: The True Adonis on August 16, 2011, 09:12:50 AM
You are both jumping all over the place.  Ron Paul does not want to start a war with Iran.  And the "attack Iran" propaganda has nothing to do with Christianity.

This thread is about Ron Paul's view on Israel.
Poop Paul likes it when the Middle Eastern countries have Nukes.
Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: Deicide on August 16, 2011, 09:14:10 AM
And you were responding to my question as to why it's scary to Hugo that Christians in general believe Israel will play an important role in the end times.  Why is that dangerous?  Christians, unlike Muslims, do not believe that there is anything that we can or need to do to assist God in bringing about the end times, or to accelerate the end times.  We believe that it is all in God's hands and that there is nothing we can or need to do about it.

http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Christianity/End-Times/On-The-Road-To-Armageddon.aspx
Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: loco on August 16, 2011, 09:19:25 AM
Poop Paul likes it when the Middle Eastern countries have Nukes.

I see that you and right-wing, neo-con republicans have this in common, twisting Ron Paul's words and spreading misinformation about him.
Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: loco on August 16, 2011, 09:21:16 AM
Some right wing Christians believe in actively bringing about the end by pushing for war between Israel, the USA and Iran. They support Israel only because of theological reasons. That is dangerous. Apart from that, many people think if you don't unilaterally support Israel, you are anti-Israel or an anti-semite...

I haven't met any that believe that.
Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: loco on August 16, 2011, 09:22:18 AM
http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Christianity/End-Times/On-The-Road-To-Armageddon.aspx

Cliff notes? 
Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: Deicide on August 16, 2011, 09:27:30 AM
Cliff notes? 

It just cites some evangelicals who do think taking an active hand in prophecy is important.
Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: The True Adonis on August 16, 2011, 09:27:43 AM
Poopy Paul likes Nukes and he doesn`t care who knows.
Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: loco on August 16, 2011, 09:35:37 AM
It just cites some evangelicals who do think taking an active hand in prophecy is important.

Cool!  I know lots of evangelicals.  I've never heard one say anything like that before.  So relax!
Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: Butterbean on August 16, 2011, 11:57:33 AM
Thanks for the added info.

Cool!  I know lots of evangelicals.  I've never heard one say anything like that before.  So relax!

Seems like the only thing I've seen that could be taken as "taking an active hand in prophecy" is the spreading of the Gospel.
Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: loco on August 16, 2011, 12:01:33 PM
Thanks for the added info.

Seems like the only thing I've seen that could be taken as "taking an active hand in prophecy" is the spreading of the Gospel.


Yup, that would be the only thing, and it has nothing to do with Israel or politics!    :)
Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: The True Adonis on August 16, 2011, 12:02:30 PM
Why does Poop Paul not care if Iran has Nuclear Weapons?  ???
Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: loco on August 16, 2011, 12:06:52 PM
Why does Poop Paul not care if Iran has Nuclear Weapons?  ???

Why do you care?  Why is your country not threatening to go to war with Russia, N. Korea, Pakistan, China and India?  They already have Nuclear Weapons.  You wanna go to war with Iran because they might some day have one Nuclear Weapon?

Ron Paul is Right on Iran

Ron Paul is the only candidate that has pointed out that the last time America went to war with a supposed major threat in the Middle East over the possibility it was harboring terrorists and might have WMDs—every justification for that war turned out to be absolutely false.

Still, Paul is the only candidate tonight that hasn’t unilaterally declared war on Iran, (or if you’re Rick Santorum, Venezuela, Saudi Arabia, Syria) for the same vague and likely unfounded reasons as the last war.

Most importantly—and this is key—Paul is the only candidate who has mentioned that we can no longer afford trillions of dollars to fight wars that don’t make sense.

http://www.ronpaul2012.com/2011/08/11/ron-paul-is-right-on-iran/
Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: The True Adonis on August 16, 2011, 12:26:17 PM
Why do you care?  Why is your country not threatening to go to war with Russia, N. Korea, Pakistan, China and India?  They already have Nuclear Weapons.  You wanna go to war with Iran because they might some day have one Nuclear Weapon?

Ron Paul is Right on Iran

Ron Paul is the only candidate that has pointed out that the last time America went to war with a supposed major threat in the Middle East over the possibility it was harboring terrorists and might have WMDs—every justification for that war turned out to be absolutely false.

Still, Paul is the only candidate tonight that hasn’t unilaterally declared war on Iran, (or if you’re Rick Santorum, Venezuela, Saudi Arabia, Syria) for the same vague and likely unfounded reasons as the last war.

Most importantly—and this is key—Paul is the only candidate who has mentioned that we can no longer afford trillions of dollars to fight wars that don’t make sense.

http://www.ronpaul2012.com/2011/08/11/ron-paul-is-right-on-iran/
Yes because all Batshit Muslim Nations deserve to have Nuclear Weapons so they can use them as they see fit if they so decide or if Allah proclaims its a good idea to use them.
Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 16, 2011, 12:27:56 PM
Ron Paul is not right on Iran.  This like him saying he was fine with baby rand playing with a loaded gun or with metal objects near the electrical outlet. 

Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: The True Adonis on August 16, 2011, 12:30:51 PM
Ron Paul is not right on Iran.  This like him saying he was fine with baby rand playing with a loaded gun or with metal objects near the electrical outlet.  


This is where you and I agree my friend.  This is reason enough to NEVER vote for Ron Poop.  The world DOES not need another Nuclear Power, especially when the entire country is filled with moronic Shit-Brains.
Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: Deicide on August 16, 2011, 12:43:53 PM
Ron Paul is not right on Iran.  This like him saying he was fine with baby rand playing with a loaded gun or with metal objects near the electrical outlet. 



We should invade Russia and China then as well; they have tons of nukes.
Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 16, 2011, 12:47:46 PM
We should invade Russia and China then as well; they have tons of nukes.

They have shown themselves otherwise responsible with their nukes, even at the height of tensions.

Iran is a rogue nation that sponsors terrorim around the globe and has said it wants to wipe Israel off the map.   Additionally, the Saudis and many others in the region who we rely on for oil are terrified at the proposition that Iran gets a nuke since it would collapse the region almost overnight and put us into standstill if they were able to close of the straights of hormuz or commit some other heinous act with a nuke. 

I'm not saying we invade them, but a strike at their facilities like israel did to Iraq in 1982 I believe it was would not meet any objections by me.   
Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: The True Adonis on August 16, 2011, 12:48:28 PM
We should invade Russia and China then as well; they have tons of nukes.
Russia and China are not filled with Shit-Brain Muslims governed under Sharia Law looking to establish the Caliphate.

You do realize that Iran is governed by Religious fanatics who have no interest in preserving Democracy or respecting it?

Fucking Ron Paul`s foreign policy would be a COMPLETE DISASTER, a boot-licking, ass bending over kowtow to the Muslim World.  Hell to the entire world.

Obama on foreign policy makes Ron Paul look like a little bitch which he is.
Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: 240 is Back on August 16, 2011, 12:53:20 PM
I love Ron paul's position of "Let ISR do what they want".

IMO, part of the problem - the ongoing mideast violence for decades - is that the US has prevented one side from winning.  Granted, the world knows it'll be israel that wins, but why stop them?  Do we go into the jungle and tell the lion to stop killing antelopes?  Of course not.

In 2 years, israel would have the bad guys killed/moved outta there, they'd have the remaining civilians in check, and everyone on both sides would live safer.  Why not let them handle their own business?  If Mexico was sending suicide bombers into the US, and some country in europe tried to prevent us from bombing Tijuana back to the stone ages, we'd laugh in their faces.
Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: The True Adonis on August 16, 2011, 12:58:22 PM
I love Ron paul's position of "Let ISR do what they want".

IMO, part of the problem - the ongoing mideast violence for decades - is that the US has prevented one side from winning.  Granted, the world knows it'll be israel that wins, but why stop them?  Do we go into the jungle and tell the lion to stop killing antelopes?  Of course not.

In 2 years, israel would have the bad guys killed/moved outta there, they'd have the remaining civilians in check, and everyone on both sides would live safer.  Why not let them handle their own business?  If Mexico was sending suicide bombers into the US, and some country in europe tried to prevent us from bombing Tijuana back to the stone ages, we'd laugh in their faces.
Give Iran a Nuke, Elect Ron Paul.

ROFLMAO, that would be a great poster for someone to make.
Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: loco on August 16, 2011, 01:07:25 PM
This is where you and I agree my friend.  This is reason enough to NEVER vote for Ron Poop.  The world DOES not need another Nuclear Power, especially when the entire country is filled with moronic Shit-Brains.

I did mention Pakistan too, didn't I?  Very convenient how you and 333386 left out Pakistan, a Muslim country with nukes, full of Muslim extremists and a country that just proved was harboring none other than Osama Bin Laden.

Why isn't USA threatening to attack Pakistan for its nukes, but instead threatens to attack Iran because it may create a nuke some time in the future?  At least Ron Paul is honest and consistent.
Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 16, 2011, 01:10:46 PM
I did mention Pakistan too, didn't I?  Very convenient how you and 333386 left out Pakistan, a country with nukes, full of Muslim extremists and a country that just proved was harboring none other than Osama Bin Laden.

Why isn't USA threatening to attack Pakistan for its nukes, but instead threatens to attack Iran because it may create a nuke some time in the future?  At least Ron Paul is honest and consistent.



Maybe not repeating the same mistake twice?  Plus, Pakistan is very unstable and we already have plans to secure their nukes because those crazies are not responsible at all. 
Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: loco on August 16, 2011, 01:11:50 PM


Maybe not repeating the same mistake twice?  Plus, Pakistan is very unstable and we already have plans to secure their nukes because those crazies are not responsible at all.  

I don't hear the other republican candidates say this.  All they talk about is attacking Iran.
Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: The True Adonis on August 16, 2011, 01:18:28 PM
I did mention Pakistan too, didn't I?  Very convenient how you and 333386 left out Pakistan, a country with nukes, full of Muslim extremists and a country that just proved was harboring none other than Osama Bin Laden.

Why isn't USA threatening to attack Pakistan for its nukes, but instead threatens to attack Iran because it may create a nuke some time in the future?  At least Ron Paul is honest and consistent.
Why do we have to attack nations that already have Nukes?  I want to prevent any more nations from getting them so we don`t have to attack anybody.  Furthermore, It was a failure of policy between China and the United States for allowing the Indo-Paki war to take place. Nixons greatest Failure other than failing the entire office of the Presidency itself.

This is what Pakistan`s Leader said about acquiring Nukes: If India builds the bomb, we will eat grass and leaves for a thousand years, even go hungry, but we will get one of our own. The Christians have the bomb, the Jews have the bomb and now the Hindus have the bomb. Why not the Muslims too have the bomb?[25][26]

Iran is even more batshit than that.  Why should we let it happen?  At least under Obama, he knows they are fucking nuts and has stated that he would NEVER let them have a Nuclear weapon. EVER.

Iran has no business with a Nuclear Weapon.  None.  Are you really going to argue for the development of Nuclear Weapons for Iran?

Fucking Paultards are crazy.  Pretzels I tell ya.  Pretzels.
Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: The Showstoppa on August 16, 2011, 01:19:10 PM
How about we nuke Iran and Pakistan? 
Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: loco on August 16, 2011, 01:31:29 PM
Why do we have to attack nations that already have Nukes?  I want to prevent any more nations from getting them so we don`t have to attack anybody.  Furthermore, It was a failure of policy between China and the United States for allowing the Indo-Paki war to take place. Nixons greatest Failure other than failing the entire office of the Presidency itself.

This is what Pakistan`s Leader said about acquiring Nukes: If India builds the bomb, we will eat grass and leaves for a thousand years, even go hungry, but we will get one of our own. The Christians have the bomb, the Jews have the bomb and now the Hindus have the bomb. Why not the Muslims too have the bomb?[25][26]

Iran is even more batshit than that.  Why should we let it happen?  At least under Obama, he knows they are fucking nuts and has stated that he would NEVER let them have a Nuclear weapon. EVER.

Iran has no business with a Nuclear Weapon.  None.  Are you really going to argue for the development of Nuclear Weapons for Iran?

Fucking Paultards are crazy.  Pretzels I tell ya.  Pretzels.

No, I believe none should have nukes.  But that is not the point.  The point is that Ron Paul is saying the USA is going down the same path that let to the Iraq war over WMD.  And the USA can no longer afford that.  Let Israel deal with Iran.  Iran is no threat to the US.

Funny how you say "At least under Obama, he knows they are fucking nuts and has stated that he would NEVER let them have a Nuclear weapon. EVER" as if that was any different under Bush.  
Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 16, 2011, 01:34:10 PM
So long as we rely on oil, yes they are a threat to us.   

What do you think happens when they decide the 12th imam is coming and told them to blow up the Canal or straights? 

 

Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: The True Adonis on August 16, 2011, 01:34:58 PM
No, I believe none should have nukes.  But that is not the point.  The point is that Ron Paul is saying the USA is going down the same path that let to the Iraq war over WMD.  And the USA can no longer afford that.  Let Israel deal with Iran.  Iran is no threat to the US.

Funny how you say "At least under Obama, he knows they are fucking nuts and has stated that he would NEVER let them have a Nuclear weapon. EVER" as if that was any different under Bush.  
Its not different.  Its one of the few good things about Bush.
Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: The True Adonis on August 16, 2011, 01:37:45 PM
So long as we rely on oil, yes they are a threat to us.   

What do you think happens when they decide the 12th imam is coming and told them to blow up the Canal or straights? 

 


I can`t believe the Audacity of the Paultards arguing that Iran should have Nuclear weapons.

Paultards: Move to Iran then,  we don`t want you.
Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: loco on August 16, 2011, 01:43:06 PM
Its not different.  Its one of the few good things about Bush.

I can`t believe the Audacity of the Paultards arguing that Iran should have Nuclear weapons.

Paultards: Move to Iran then,  we don`t want you.

I know you're just playing, all of a sudden impersonating a right wing, neo-con republican. 
Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: The Showstoppa on August 16, 2011, 01:43:24 PM
If anyone remembers, my number one knock on Paul back in the last election and afterwards was his pitiful, naive view on foreign policy.  He thinks that if the US just isolates itself and treats other countries in a "decent manner" that we won't have any problems with them.  C'mon, that is just so simplistic in a world that is so complicated and inter-connected.
Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: The True Adonis on August 16, 2011, 01:50:44 PM
I know you're just playing, all of a sudden impersonating a right wing, neo-con republican. 
I`m not playing whatsoever.  Poop Paul is a moron.  Obama at least does not put up with such bullshit.

Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: loco on August 16, 2011, 02:02:36 PM
So long as we rely on oil, yes they are a threat to us.   

What do you think happens when they decide the 12th imam is coming and told them to blow up the Canal or straights? 


And what will American soldiers do, throw rocks at the Iranian soldiers and at the Iranian Nuke facilities?  Or will the US increase borrowing and money printing even more?
Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: loco on August 16, 2011, 02:04:22 PM
I`m not playing whatsoever.  Poop Paul is a moron.  Obama at least does not put up with such bullshit.





No I want Bernie Sanders for President or Dennis Kucinich actually or Mike Gravel. I hope this helps.

Dennis Kucinich on Ron Paul



This is old news you know. Personally I think Ron Paul is the best of the Republican Party.  Too bad there are zero others in his party like him.  All of your favorites, Bachmann, Palin and such are the complete opposites.

How do you process that in your brain and reconcile that?  Ron Paul and Palin/Bachmann are polar opposites.  You can`t be for Paul and then be for Bachmann or Palin or anyone else in the Republican Party.  It just doesn`t work and it means you really have no firm principles.
Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: loco on August 16, 2011, 02:06:17 PM
If anyone remembers, my number one knock on Paul back in the last election and afterwards was his pitiful, naive view on foreign policy.  He thinks that if the US just isolates itself and treats other countries in a "decent manner" that we won't have any problems with them.  C'mon, that is just so simplistic in a world that is so complicated and inter-connected.

In a letter dated July 21, 2007, Dr. Paul states:

"I opposed giving the president power to wage unlimited and unchecked aggression. However, I did vote to support the use of force in Afghanistan. I also authored H.R. 3076, the September 11 Marque and Reprisal Act of 2001. A letter of marque and reprisal is a constitutional tool specifically designed to give the president the authority to respond with appropriate force to those non-state actors who wage aggression against the United States while limiting his authority to only those responsible for the atrocities of that day. Such a limited authorization is consistent with the doctrine of just war and the practical aim of keeping Americans safe while minimizing the costs in blood and treasure of waging such an operation." - Ron Paul

http://goronpaul.blogspot.com/2007/07/osama-bin-laden-wanted-dead-or-alive.html


H.R. 3076: September 11 Marque and Reprisal Act of 2001
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h107-3076
Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: The True Adonis on August 16, 2011, 02:11:59 PM
A vote for Ron Paul is a vote for Iranian Nukes.
Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: loco on August 16, 2011, 02:14:33 PM
A vote for Ron Paul is a vote for Iranian Nukes.

Personally I think Ron Paul is the best of the Republican Party.  Too bad there are zero others in his party like him.  All of your favorites, Bachmann, Palin and such are the complete opposites.
Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: The True Adonis on August 16, 2011, 02:16:21 PM

Yep. That just shows you how out of whack the rest of them are if we both know that Poop Paul is insane.

Although, Rick Perry at least wouldn`t stoop to licking an Iranian boot.  Plus he did a great job in True Grit.
Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: Hugo Chavez on August 16, 2011, 03:18:29 PM
Why?
I'll make a thread about this later on in religion.
Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: Fury on August 16, 2011, 04:19:06 PM
This thread shows just how little people understand Islam, Israel, the Middle East and Shia Iran.

Protip: It's not going to be Israel getting nuked by Iran, it's going to be Saudi Arabia. And the Saudis (and the other Sunni states) know this, hence them being the most aggressive behind the scenes trying to push America into a war with Iran.

Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: The True Adonis on August 16, 2011, 04:33:18 PM
This thread shows just how little people understand Islam, Israel, the Middle East and Shia Iran.

Protip: It's not going to be Israel getting nuked by Iran, it's going to be Saudi Arabia. And the Saudis (and the other Sunni states) know this, hence them being the most aggressive behind the scenes trying to push America into a war with Iran.


Yes because you are the one "guy" on Getbig with "behind the scenes" info on Saudi Arabia.  Fuck, why aren`t you the Director of the CIA?
Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: Fury on August 16, 2011, 04:34:59 PM
It's surprising that you haven't read anything about that given your Google-Fu skills. It's well documented.

Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: The True Adonis on August 16, 2011, 04:41:02 PM
It's surprising that you haven't read anything about that given your Google-Fu skills. It's well documented.


When do you start your term as the Director of the CIA?
Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: Fury on August 16, 2011, 04:41:53 PM
Sick rebuttal!
Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: OzmO on August 16, 2011, 04:42:37 PM
When do you start your term as the Director of the CIA?

His IQ is 160 but he would rather not join the CIA   ;D
Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: The True Adonis on August 16, 2011, 04:45:03 PM
His IQ is 160 but he would rather not join the CIA   ;D
Or the military. He`d rather work the cash register at Quizno`s.  :-\
Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: Fury on August 16, 2011, 04:45:31 PM
His IQ is 160 but he would rather not join the CIA   ;D

More money to be made selling gas capsules that increase your car's fuel mileage.

Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: OzmO on August 16, 2011, 04:46:37 PM
More money to be made selling gas capsules that increase your car's fuel mileage.



ahh yes Swammy, thanks  ;D
Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: Fury on August 16, 2011, 04:47:31 PM
ahh yes Swammy, thanks  ;D

PM me for an invitation to a conference call with a scientist from French Fry U that will explain the irrefutable evidence that they work.
Title: Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
Post by: OzmO on August 16, 2011, 04:50:16 PM
PM me for an invitation to a conference call with a scientist from French Fry U that will explain the irrefutable evidence that they work.

Nah just sign me up.  I believe in hope and change for my gas tank too.