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What is Ron Paul's view on
« on: August 15, 2011, 07:49:36 AM »
Israel?
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Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2011, 07:58:08 AM »
Israel?

The same view for Israel as for every other country; free trade, travel, no foreign aid, etc...
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Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2011, 07:59:57 AM »
Israel?

Leave em alone to bomb the fuck out out of their enemies and send the animals to Allah. 

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Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2011, 08:00:14 AM »
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Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2011, 08:04:13 AM »
Israel?

Just curious, but are you asking this because you think Israel is important for the 2nd Coming of Christ? ???
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Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2011, 08:07:13 AM »
I've seen where some Republicans spread misinformation about Ron Paul saying that he is anti-Israel.  

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Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2011, 08:08:16 AM »
I've seen where some Republicans spread misinformation about Ron Paul saying that he is anti-Israel.  

There are a lot of Far Right Christians who support Israel solely for theological reasons...it's very scary.
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Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2011, 08:13:28 AM »
There are a lot of Far Right Christians who support Israel solely for theological reasons...it's very scary.

So do I.  But in my opinion, this doesn't mean that we should support everything Israel does.  Israel makes mistakes and commits sins too.  The Bible is filled with them.  We Christians should bless and support Israel, but at the same time we are not to support their sins or give them aid that they do not need.

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Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2011, 08:18:54 AM »
So do I.  But in my opinion, this doesn't mean that we should support everything Israel does.  Israel makes mistakes and commits sins too.  The Bible is filled with them.  We Christians should bless and support Israel, but at the same time we are not to support their sins or give them aid that they do not need.

Well, spread that word to your fellow Christians as too many of them figure that Israel fits right in with their eschatological world view...
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Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2011, 08:19:44 AM »
All of the problems we have in the middle east are directly related to Israel, fact.

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Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2011, 08:21:13 AM »
All of the problems we have in the middle east is directly related to Israel, fact.

No, not all of them, just some of them.
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Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2011, 08:22:03 AM »
All of the problems we have in the middle east is directly related to Israel, fact.


No its not a fact.


Thats pure nonsense.   


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Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
« Reply #12 on: August 15, 2011, 08:25:34 AM »
All of the problems we have in the middle east are directly related to Israel, fact.

Wrong!

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Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
« Reply #13 on: August 15, 2011, 09:06:42 AM »
Ron Paul: The Most Pro-Israel Candidate

August 14, 2011

After last week’s GOP debate in Ames, Iowa we received many questions about Ron Paul’s stance on Israel and Iran. And while as grassroots supporters we do not speak for Ron Paul himself in any way, here’s how we understand his position.

Ron Paul: The Most Pro-Israel Candidate

First of all, it may come as a surprise to many that Ron Paul is actually the most pro-Israel candidate in the presidential race.

With hundreds of nuclear weapons in her possession, Israel has become the most powerful state in the Middle East. She could easily take on her neighbors and eliminate any and all threats to her existence.

Ron Paul would not stop Israel from defending her interests in any way she saw fit. When Israel attacked a nuclear reactor in Iraq in 1981, almost the entire U.S. Congress voted to condemn the act. Ron Paul was one of the few dissenters: he voted against the condemnation and in favor of Israel’s right to self-determination.

Ending Foreign Aid Sets Israel Free

Ron Paul has also been criticized for wanting to “end foreign aid to Israel.” He had in fact called for an end to all foreign aid in general. Foreign aid is like an entitlement: eventually the recipient grows dependent on it and will do everything in his power to continue the flow of funds. This might even involve spending some of the already-received payments to “lobby” for more money.

Ron Paul believes this is a bad thing. Not only does foreign aid lead to corruption on both sides; it is inherently immoral. Ron Paul said that “foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country and giving it to the rich people of a poor country.”

If foreign aid to all countries were stopped immediately, Israel would be the biggest net beneficiary. This is because the U.S. pays much more foreign aid to Israel’s enemies combined than to Israel.

Like a discouraged unemployed person whose welfare payments are about to run out, Israel would finally have the motivation to take care of herself, for example by ending socialist domestic policies within Israel. This in turn would make Israel much stronger and more independent. Ending all foreign aid would indeed set Israel free.

Iran Is a Big Nobody

Iran is a large country, but from a military point of view they are a big nobody. They are surrounded by nuclear powers, they have no air force, no navy, and they are even incapable of producing as much gasoline as they need. Iranian officials are relegated to grudgingly hoping that “the Zionist regime will collapse”, which is the real meaning of Ahmadinejad’s infamous phrase frequently mistranslated as “we will wipe Israel off the map”.

Is is understandable that Iran wants to gain the international respect they deserve as a country of 75 million people. But according to U.S. intelligence reports there are no indications whatsoever that Iran is actively working on creating or obtaining a nuclear weapon.

Israel Can Do What She Wants – But Leave America Out of It

If Israel believes that Iran might one day become a nuclear power and that such a development would be against her interests, Ron Paul would not stop Israel from doing whatever she deemed necessary to defend herself. Israeli assassination squads are already operating within Iran, and several Iranian nuclear scientists found themselves torn apart by mysterious explosions over the past few years. Ron Paul did not interfere. In fact, he would not even prohibit Israel from initiating a devastating nuclear attack on Iran.

However, neither would Ron Paul allow American lives to be sacrificed for Israeli interests. If Israeli officials knew that American kids will not throw themselves into the line of fire whenever Israel feels threatened by the boastful words of some wannabe dictator, Israel will act more responsibly when dealing with her neighbors – and grow much stronger for it.

Ron Paul Will Allow Israel to Blossom

Like it or not, Ron Paul is the most pro-Israel candidate out there. His wise policies – not by design, but by pure logical consequence – will permit Israel to blossom as a truly free, independent and powerful state.

This article does not claim to represent Ron Paul’s official position on Israel and Iran. It’s just a summary of how we – as his grassroots supporters – interpret his statements on the issue. Please post a comment if you believe we misinterpreted Ron Paul’s position.

http://www.ronpaul.com/2011-08-14/ron-paul-the-most-pro-israel-candidate/

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Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
« Reply #14 on: August 15, 2011, 09:13:53 AM »

With hundreds of nuclear weapons in her possession, Israel has become the most powerful state in the Middle East.

Israel? Nuclear weapons? More like deliberate ambiguity.. 

I think this sums up RP's position best:

Israel Can Do What She Wants – But Leave America Out of It

However, neither would Ron Paul allow American lives to be sacrificed for Israeli interests.

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Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
« Reply #15 on: August 15, 2011, 12:03:15 PM »
Just curious, but are you asking this because you think Israel is important for the 2nd Coming of Christ? ???
it's so freaking scary how many christians believe that crap, and dangerous.

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Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
« Reply #16 on: August 16, 2011, 06:52:59 AM »
Thanks for the vid, article, info etc.  I saw him on some show last night and like him more and more.

Just curious, but are you asking this because you think Israel is important for the 2nd Coming of Christ? ???

No, end times stuff wasn't why I was asking...more Gen 12:3 and I agree w/loco's post re: Israel.

I had heard, as loco said that RP was anti-Israel.  In looking into it, that does seem like misinfo.   Why would Repubs do that ???

it's so freaking scary how many christians believe that crap, and dangerous.

Why, what part of Christians believing that Christ will return is scary and dangerous ???



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Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
« Reply #17 on: August 16, 2011, 08:00:48 AM »
it's so freaking scary how many christians believe that crap, and dangerous.

Why?

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Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
« Reply #18 on: August 16, 2011, 08:14:55 AM »

I had heard, as loco said that RP was anti-Israel.  In looking into it, that does seem like misinfo.   Why would Repubs do that ???


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Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
« Reply #19 on: August 16, 2011, 08:28:56 AM »
Why?

Mixing theology and politics/policy is about as toxic a mix as you can come up with; come on, Christians who want Israel to start a war with Iran because they think it will usher in the Apocalypse? That is dangerous, period.
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Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
« Reply #20 on: August 16, 2011, 08:35:40 AM »
Mixing theology and politics/policy is about as toxic a mix as you can come up with; come on, Christians who want Israel to start a war with Iran because they think it will usher in the Apocalypse? That is dangerous, period.
Thats what Poop Paul does best since he does NOT believe in Thomas Jefferson`s WALL OF SEPARATION between Church and State. 

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Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
« Reply #21 on: August 16, 2011, 09:04:17 AM »
Mixing theology and politics/policy is about as toxic a mix as you can come up with; come on, Christians who want Israel to start a war with Iran because they think it will usher in the Apocalypse? That is dangerous, period.

Thats what Poop Paul does best since he does NOT believe in Thomas Jefferson`s WALL OF SEPARATION between Church and State. 

You are both jumping all over the place.  Ron Paul does not want to start a war with Iran.  And the "attack Iran" propaganda has nothing to do with Christianity.

This thread is about Ron Paul's view on Israel.

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Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
« Reply #22 on: August 16, 2011, 09:05:42 AM »
You are both jumping all over the place.  Ron Paul does not want to start a war with Iran.  And the "attack Iran" propaganda has nothing to do with Christianity.

This thread is about Ron Paul's view on Israel.

I wasn't talking about RP at all cabron, I was talking about extreme right wing Christians...
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Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
« Reply #23 on: August 16, 2011, 09:06:34 AM »
I had heard, as loco said that RP was anti-Israel.  In looking into it, that does seem like misinfo.   Why would Repubs do that ???

The GOP elites do not like Ron Paul.  Ron Paul is too much of a traditional, constitutional republican for them.

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Re: What is Ron Paul's view on
« Reply #24 on: August 16, 2011, 09:10:07 AM »
I wasn't talking about RP at all cabron, I was talking about extreme right wing Christians...

And you were responding to my question as to why it's scary to Hugo that Christians in general believe Israel will play an important role in the end times.  Why is that dangerous?  Christians, unlike Muslims, do not believe that there is anything that we can or need to do to assist God in bringing about the end times, or to accelerate the end times.  We believe that it is all in God's hands and that there is nothing we can or need to do about it.