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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: BIG DUB on August 17, 2011, 08:11:56 PM
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This one is the real cycle. ;D
http://forums.musculardevelopment.com/showthread.php/115119-Dorians-olympia-stack-and-offseason-cycle-in-new-md
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Hmmm.. Now that is interesting lol
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oh my fucking god....
Ron Harris really has no moral at all
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Lol "weekly"...
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LOL !! God, MD must think we're all gullible ! LOL !! Or maybe just THEIR forum members. Dorian wasn't the most genetically gifted, my friends. This shouldn't be a surprise to anybody here. Sooooo ... if these were, indeed, Dorian's TRUE cycles ( which OBVIOUSLY they are not ), then I'd hate to see MD print out Ronnie Coleman's cycles. It'd be half of what Dorian took. Can you imagine ??? 150 mg of Test Prop ... a week ? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL !!!!!!!! And here's another reason why I DON'T but MD. Fuckin' morons !
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Whos stack was better Dorian or Ronnie? ;D
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i read a little bit of that thread. Jesus. If you are going to admit that you did drugs, just be real. You are already telling kids you did so, so why lie?
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hahahaha oh man thats sad over there in MD
"if hes willing to tell then he wouldnt lie" no...thats what he wants you to think, so hell tell you false dosage
I wonder who has their head in the sand more...MD or BBing.com?
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daily x3
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That was his first cycle from 1983 ::)
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That was his cycle when he was part of Skin Uk
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Once I saw that Ron Harris was posting there all credibility was lost.
"I'm the one Dorian told it to..."
What a jackass.
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LOL !! God, MD must think we're all gullible ! LOL !! Or maybe just THEIR forum members. Dorian wasn't the most genetically gifted, my friends. This shouldn't be a surprise to anybody here. Sooooo ... if these were, indeed, Dorian's TRUE cycles ( which OBVIOUSLY they are not ), then I'd hate to see MD print out Ronnie Coleman's cycles. It'd be half of what Dorian took. Can you imagine ??? 150 mg of Test Prop ... a week ? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL !!!!!!!! And here's another reason why I DON'T but MD. Fuckin' morons !
Pre contest you dont want to use very much test. its ony when bulking. 300mg seems believable to me if he were going into contest. if he were bulking no way! most BB keep their test intake very low going into contest. but im not sure how far out they were talking about a few weeks I believe it. 12 weeks no way!. but it is true a few weeks before a show 300mg is believable.
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Pre contest you dont want to use very much test. its ony when bulking. 300mg seems believable to me if he were going into contest. if he were bulking no way! most BB keep their test intake very low going into contest. but im not sure how far out they were talking about a few weeks I believe it. 12 weeks no way!. but it is true a few weeks before a show 300mg is believable.
No not even close. None of these guys cut their test that low even before a show. Some switch to prop or suspension but are still doing 100 to 200 mg per day until 2 weeks out. Do not attempt to tell me I'm wrong either as there is no debating me on this.
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Dorian is the kinda guy who thinks that drugs are just the finishing touch.
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One thing's for sure. Someone's telling a fairytale.
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This shit has to stop FFS >:(
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I think this supposed cycle is a bit more believable,
week 1----2000mg test cyp---150mg dbol/a day
week 1----2000mg test cyp---150mg dbol/a day
week 2 ----3000mg test cyp---200mg dbol/a day
week 3-----4000mg test cyp---300mg dbol/day
week 4 -----5000mg test cyp---no dbol
week 5------3000mg test susp---200mg anadrol
week 6------4000mg test susp---300mg anadrol
week 7-------4000mg test susp---400mg anadrol
week 9-------10,000 iu hcg--800mg clomid
week10-------20,000iu hcg--1000mg clomid
week 11------4000mg test prop---100mg halotestin
week 12------4000mg test prop----200mg hal0
weel 13-------5000mg test prop----300mg halo
week 14-------3000mg test sus-----300mg halo----1000mg masterone
week 15-------4000mg test sus-----400mg halo----1000mg masterone
weekl 16-------10,000iu hcg---1000mg clomid
week 17--------20,000iu hcg---2000mg clomid
week 18--------30 ,000iu hcg---3000mg clomid
week 20---------2500mg test susp---1000mg of fina---
weel 21----------3500mg test susp--1500mg of fina
week 22----------4500mg test susp--20oomg of fina
week 23 ----------5000mg test susp---2500mg of fina
week 24 ----------1500mg test prop-----500mg anadrol
week 25-----------2500mg test prop-----500mg anadrol
week 26 -----------3500 mg test prop----300mg anadrol---1000mg masterone/day
week 27------------1500mg test susp-----200mg anadrol---200mg winng/day
week 29------------1500 mg test susp-----200mg anadrol---200 mg winny/day
week 30 ------------1500mg test susp------100mg anadrol---300mg winny/day
:o
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That MD cycle means he is "almost natural" by gh15's standards....
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I think this supposed cycle is a bit more believable,
week 1----2000mg test cyp---150mg dbol/a day
week 1----2000mg test cyp---150mg dbol/a day
week 2 ----3000mg test cyp---200mg dbol/a day
week 3-----4000mg test cyp---300mg dbol/day
week 4 -----5000mg test cyp---no dbol
week 5------3000mg test susp---200mg anadrol
week 6------4000mg test susp---300mg anadrol
week 7-------4000mg test susp---400mg anadrol
week 9-------10,000 iu hcg--800mg clomid
week10-------20,000iu hcg--1000mg clomid
week 11------4000mg test prop---100mg halotestin
week 12------4000mg test prop----200mg hal0
weel 13-------5000mg test prop----300mg halo
week 14-------3000mg test sus-----300mg halo----1000mg masterone
week 15-------4000mg test sus-----400mg halo----1000mg masterone
weekl 16-------10,000iu hcg---1000mg clomid
week 17--------20,000iu hcg---2000mg clomid
week 18--------30 ,000iu hcg---3000mg clomid
week 20---------2500mg test susp---1000mg of fina---
weel 21----------3500mg test susp--1500mg of fina
week 22----------4500mg test susp--20oomg of fina
week 23 ----------5000mg test susp---2500mg of fina
week 24 ----------1500mg test prop-----500mg anadrol
week 25-----------2500mg test prop-----500mg anadrol
week 26 -----------3500 mg test prop----300mg anadrol---1000mg masterone/day
week 27------------1500mg test susp-----200mg anadrol---200mg winng/day
week 29------------1500 mg test susp-----200mg anadrol---200 mg winny/day
week 30 ------------1500mg test susp------100mg anadrol---300mg winny/day
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No not even close. None of these guys cut their test that low even before a show. Some switch to prop or suspension but are still doing 100 to 200 mg per day until 2 weeks out. Do not attempt to tell me I'm wrong either as there is no debating me on this.
100mg prop everyday I believe but why suspension? seems like you get more water retention off suspension. this is a diffrent era but I bet back in the day there were guys who just used 300mg of prop going into a contest im talking just a week or 2 out.
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100mg prop everyday I believe but why suspension? seems like you get more water retention off suspension. this is a diffrent era but I bet back in the day there were guys who just used 300mg of prop going into a contest im talking just a week or 2 out.
How many guys have you ran through contest prep that are in the 230lb+ range?
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How many guys have you ran through contest prep that are in the 230lb+ range?
countless! always have used prop eod last week or 2. never used suspension. seems everybody holds more water retention on suspension. last few weeks you still use test but drop down. last few weeks is when its mainly high doses of masteron and Tren,primo and high doses of halo. last week is when I pretty much starve them except for the lasix I feed them and let them drink water like their in the dessert and have one canteen of water for 15 people. last 36 hours pretty much no Water at all! just a tad! then later its carb up time right before the show to get that full look. Disgusted is a beetter prep guy but I know what im doing as well. he does have many more years ahead of me.
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damn this whitewidow character has some balls arguing with disgusted...
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damn this whitewidow character has some balls arguing with disgusted...
waste of space, ppl should just ignore this guy
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Greg Zulac from the old MuscleMag said that the average pro at the Olympia level takes between 5,000 to 10,000 mg of androgens total a week, of which between 2,000 to 4,000 are testosterone. Jim Schmaltz from FLEX saw Ciziurlok inject 6 ampoules of Durateston(Brazilian Sustanon) for 1,500 mg of test at once in a 20" gauge syringe, and he said that Cziurlok told him that he would do the same again two times that week. So 4,500 mg of testosterone. Going by these figures, I would say that the second cycle is probably closer to what Dorian took, but it is still very exaggerated.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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damn this whitewidow character has some balls arguing with disgusted...
Im in no way arguing! I just want to know why he would use a suspension as it seems to make people hold more water then prop does. disgustedd is above me I always have said that! He is also older I am getting there not quite disgusted level.
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waste of space, ppl should just ignore this guy
Your right you know so much more than me.
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This one is the real cycle. ;D
http://forums.musculardevelopment.com/showthread.php/115119-Dorians-olympia-stack-and-offseason-cycle-in-new-md
balonie,, me and him were on same doses more or less,, but aroudn same numbers ,, we both ran testosterona at 2-4 grams a week ,, thats ONLY testosterona! only thing that was lower with dorian was insulina ,, insted of 150iu a day it was in the 50s
i dont like to repeat myself i keep telling you those things and you bring muscular develp balonie into the thunderdome,, i have enough on my plate right now,, dont bring that failed boaridng here,, their members come here to read gh15 so no ned to bring the balonie from there here
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balonie,, me and him were on same doses more or less,, but aroudn same numbers ,, we both ran testosterona at 2-4 grams a week ,, thats ONLY testosterona! only thing that was lower with dorian was insulina ,, insted of 150iu a day it was in the 50s
i dont like to repeat myself i keep telling you those things and you bring muscular develp balonie into the thunderdome,, i have enough on my plate right now,, dont bring that failed boaridng here,, their members come here to read gh15 so no ned to bring the balonie from there here
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Ron Harris needs to be punished
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you ,, yourself saw when you jump to 240...when you took 2200mg testosterona into blood,,and this 240 is not thick desnse 240....so you can just imagine the doses we take and the hgh attached to it!,, but....as i said before true bodybuild can make 200lb look like 220...and can look as impressive as 230lb at 200...it really is knowing what you do ,, but to say 750 is laughing at bodybulders face,,
we do not even look at the doses we inject,, we put it in terms of syrenges,, we fill it up 3 cc and boom into ass,, another 3 cc and boom into other assw cheek,, this is daily activity ,, if we are real lazy second day...but the doses are high ,, and! hgh is the key to total transofmation ...it doesnt have to be in blood all the time you can take some time off 2-3 months but over all its the hgh usage that keep it all growing,,
hgh on then you got window of 3-6 months then boom hgh again ,, its the hgh we play with while aas always in system ,, ALWAYS
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He told a friend of mine he ran 18iu GH eod, which I guess isn't far off 8iu ed, but shows he isn't entirely consistent with his lies. :D
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Ron Harris what a dirty scumbag. I know people who did more than that on their first cycle. Why do people even hang out over there...?
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Ron Harris what a dirty scumbag. I know people who did more than that on their first cycle. Why do people even hang out over there...?
I would prefer if Ron Harris would just stop commenting on everything instead of taking us for a bunch of idiots
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its alllll the same with all of us ,, IT IS ALL THE SAME I KEEP TELLING YOU AND YOU KEEP REPEATING QUESTIONS ,, it is all the same
there is rule of thumb in bodybuild,,
10iu = local
15-20 iu = regional
20+ iu = profesional,,+
look at my name ,, when begged to come to getbig in 2005 i agreed and had to chose a name ,, look what name i chose....i chose the name.....
GH - 15
THERE IS A REASON BEHIND THIS NAME,, I DIDNT JUST CHOSE IT BECAUSE I SAID OH GH15 SOUND LIKE A MARVELOUS EASY TO THE EAR NAME THAT WILL SIT WELL WITH FELLAS,, I CHOSE IS FOR A REASON...
IT IS THE 15 IU WHERE MAGIC HAPPEN
bodybuild sucess determine by how much money you can spend on hgh ...as simple as that,, it realy have very little to do with all the rest now day ,, it is mainly HOW MUCH MONEY YOU CAN SPEND ON THAT DAMN GH!,,if anyone of you once was able to take 3 vials hgh a day ...of 10 units..and do it for good 60 days ...you would see what i mean,,it creates a freakiness to the average fella that make him look like he ws born with this marvelous genetic...which ofcourse is not the case,,
dorian used 25-30iu gh,, EVERY SINGLE DAY,,he started at 15 went up to 18-20 and ended career at 25-30 again depending on the year,, and this is the truth...
ron heris is as i said before GHOST WRITER,, he live on americano soil...and befriended a HIGHLY recognized drug addict name joe raymond,, jose rayomond is a mexicano nothing less nothing more...a mexicano with vast vast connection to hormones,, when i say mexicano i mean the attitude.. if jose rodigez wasnt a bodybuild...he would be sitting in some no where to be found town in americana infront of walmart ad part of a gang ....you know VERY WELL what im talking about,,
also friends...avoid pms to me inreagard to how exciting my writing is...nothing exciting abotu the truth ,, i just put it for everyone to see,, with HIGH risk to my life,, hopefuly its appreciated where it counts and it is your local gyms
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LOL that Dorian cycle is comical. I think if they told me that is what he was doing EOD, I might believe it lol. GetBiggers surely know better than that. These drug competitions, excuse me, bodybuilding competitions are a funny thing. Everyone is willing to talk and talk and talk about diet and training, but what is everyone so secretive about????? The drugs they use!!! Why????? Because that is the piece of the puzzle that makes alllll the difference.
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100mg prop everyday I believe but why suspension? seems like you get more water retention off suspension. this is a diffrent era but I bet back in the day there were guys who just used 300mg of prop going into a contest im talking just a week or 2 out.
You are making the common mistake that even some of the top guys are making year after year. You are thinking too much into this. First of all this holding water bullshit has been blown way out of proportion. The leaner you get the less water you are going to hold. I've brought guys into shows on test cyp and drol and had them win and then been asked how did these guys get so hard and ripped. All this pulling certain drugs at certain times is mainly BS. The only thing that I think is important to pull depending on the person is GH, but even then once you have been on it for 3 weeks you lose most of the water. 99% of the time and I have said this many times before, guys fuk up on the diuretic use. Get as lean as you can and I mean shredded and then and only then take a good honest look at yourself and ask yourself if you are holding water. Thing is most guys on here will never get to 4% so it's irrelevant.
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Greg Zulac from the old MuscleMag said that the average pro at the Olympia level takes between 5,000 to 10,000 mg of androgens total a week, of which between 2,000 to 4,000 are testosterone. Jim Schmaltz from FLEX saw Ciziurlok inject 6 ampoules of Durateston(Brazilian Sustanon) for 1,500 mg of test at once in a 20" gauge syringe, and he said that Cziurlok told him that he would do the same again two times that week. So 4,500 mg of testosterone. Going by these figures, I would say that the second cycle is probably closer to what Dorian took, but it is still very exaggerated.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
I can believe these figures. Good post.
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You are making the common mistake that even some of the top guys are making year after year. You are thinking too much into this. First of all this holding water bullshit has been blown way out of proportion. The leaner you get the less water you are going to hold. I've brought guys into shows on test cyp and drol and had them win and then been asked how did these guys get so hard and ripped. All this pulling certain drugs at certain times is mainly BS. The only thing that I think is important to pull depending on the person is GH, but even then once you have been on it for 3 weeks you lose most of the water. 99% of the time and I have said this many times before, guys fuk up on the diuretic use. Get as lean as you can and I mean shredded and then and only then take a good honest look at yourself and ask yourself if you are holding water. Thing is most guys on here will never get to 4% so it's irrelevant.
But what do you think of Dorian's 'real' cycle?
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lol they deleted my thread
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Ron heris,,, fucking joke
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Damn ripitupbaby has a stronger stack then Dorian
Hmmmmmmmmmmm these days... ;)
1200-1500 mg tren per week, 1200 sustanon, deca 800-1000, gh 6-8 IU'S, throw in some 750 mg of primo and 100-200 mg anadrol or 150 mg dbol.
Please direct all future questions of this nature to jtsunami. ;D
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But what do you think of Dorian's 'real' cycle?
Could it be, yes. Do I think it is, no. Why the hell would he do all that hcg and clomid. Total waste of time and I think he would feel the same. As far as mgs yes a lot of it I'm sure was up there.
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I can believe these figures. Good post.
yes yes i just read it ,, my bad,, i just read his posting,, very good coming from this retard ,, not bad
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lol they deleted my thread
What was your thread about ???
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yes yes i just read it ,, my bad,, i just read his posting,, very good coming from this retard ,, not bad
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This retard is smart enough to know that you're no pro bodybuilder. He is also smart enough to have pointed out tons of inconsistencies in your posts, like when you claimed that you lost to Dorian because he was better than you, and then you claimed that you are currently a top five Olympia competitor, when there are no pros from Dorian's era still competing.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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^ lutenent! lol
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^ lutenent! lol
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belive gh 15 an dforget the rest
proBB
15-35 hgh, lowering before comp
Test 2-4gr changing all esters depending on goal , lowering before comp
insulin 50-250 ie day, lowering befor comp
nandrolon, boldenon, changing into trenbolon ace and drosta closer to tontest or just looking harder
adding some orals dianabol or oxys to fill out
finishing touch is knowing your diuretics
in general no secrets, do it or don t be a top bodybuilder by means of national competitor
exact numbers are individual and only figured out by trial and error
quality product is key
hell, even some gym rats do such cycles
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belive gh 15 an dforget the rest
proBB
15-35 hgh, lowering before comp
Test 2-4gr changing all esters depending on goal , lowering before comp
insulin 50-250 ie day, lowering befor comp
nandrolon, boldenon, changing into trenbolon ace and drosta closer to tontest or just looking harder
adding some orals dianabol or oxys to fill out
finishing touch is knowing your diuretics
in general no secrets, do it or don t be a top bodybuilder by means of national competitor
exact numbers are individual and only figured out by trial and error
quality product is key
hell, even some gym rats do such cycles
I know a pro who only use 2 boxes of hgh per month 4 months before a show but he is also too light to fight too thin to win
never placed high
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i think gh15 and that benoit guy are pretty right on.
gh because his answers make sense and benoit because he's mentally retarded and brutally honest.
there was a guy on here who used to tell me the goods from the bodybuilding scene around 2004-5ish. he called his cycles "the nigger stack".
why that name? because he says other pros would do the same thing he did, take every injectable and oral they could get their hands on and keep it year round. he was mixing orals, cutting and bulking, anabolics with pct, eca with dbol, etc. "whatever we can get our hands on, dosages don't matter".
you must realize many of these "athletes" are straight up drug addicts as well who need to get their high at the gym if they can't get it through a pipe. one of the ways to do is to maximize the anabolics to reach PR's, low bodyfat, etc.
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i think gh15 and that benoit guy are pretty right on.
gh because his answers make sense and benoit because he's mentally retarded and brutally honest.
there was a guy on here who used to tell me the goods from the bodybuilding scene around 2004-5ish. he called his cycles "the nigger stack".
why that name? because he says other pros would do the same thing he did, take every injectable and oral they could get their hands on and keep it year round. he was mixing orals, cutting and bulking, anabolics with pct, eca with dbol, etc. "whatever we can get our hands on, dosages don't matter".
you must realize many of these "athletes" are straight up drug addicts as well who need to get their high at the gym if they can't get it through a pipe. one of the ways to do is to maximize the anabolics to reach PR's, low bodyfat, etc.
great post
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i think gh15 and that benoit guy are pretty right on.
gh because his answers make sense and benoit because he's mentally retarded and brutally honest.
there was a guy on here who used to tell me the goods from the bodybuilding scene around 2004-5ish. he called his cycles "the nigger stack".
why that name? because he says other pros would do the same thing he did, take every injectable and oral they could get their hands on and keep it year round. he was mixing orals, cutting and bulking, anabolics with pct, eca with dbol, etc. "whatever we can get our hands on, dosages don't matter".
you must realize many of these "athletes" are straight up drug addicts as well who need to get their high at the gym if they can't get it through a pipe. one of the ways to do is to maximize the anabolics to reach PR's, low bodyfat, etc.
look ,, from all over the world fellas come to read gh15,, ther eis a reason for that... you dont just create such a huge name out of internet character just because of fun fun dandy mandy,, the reason gh15 went sky rocketing is because it tells the truth,, forget about the vocubulary and all this nonsense ,, im talking the information hands on ,,bodybuilder know when someone feed him balonie or tell him truth because many do it hands on ,,this is how most serious bodybuild advance ...they dont go to noels and to wanna be twisters,,they do it themselves hands on ,,
the reaility of the mater is that BODYBUILDER = DRUG ADDICT,, its not maybe its not little its not little + ...its not 2 ampolas of testosterona a week and its not playing with some 20mg dianabola...its not!,,
bodybuilder = drug addict,, everything in larger amounts ,, everything legit,, everything in the right timing,, and most importantly everything takes priority to other things in life,,
life is built from pressures,, little pressures that add on to be one big hell of a pressure,, you have life...you have family ,, you have job,, you have bills,, you have girlfriend,, you have testes,, you have school,, you have social ,, you have many many little things that in the big scheme of things will disturb bodybuild to a point of not being able to grow period! UNLESS hormones are in system and the all other things take second place to bodybuild...THIS! is the truth ,,
in reality if some of the fellas that blub would look at themselves in mirror they would too admit to what gh15 is saying,, you just cant progress and add lean poundage with out the right drugs and ENOUGH OF THEM ,, just too much pressure of life,, you can eat the all kitchen table it wont help the estrogen jumping sky high if too much pressure,, and it wont help the stress level of life...only thing that cuts it is hormones! and legit hormones! and in high enough doses,,
no one is meant to walk 220lb 6% ,, NO FUCKIN ONE! AND AT 5'7 LOL comon fellas lol no one walk thsoe numbers,, maybe 220 20% 5'7 if really past athlete in highschool and really from big boned family ,, but 20% and 6% is huge diff my friends,,
so when you see 5'10 milos sarcev who walk around 250...you need to ask yourself HOW? why?
the why is very simple....he is addict,, the how! is also quite simple....aas,, hgh in high doses,, and! I N S U L I N A
if you think philsulina is anything more than insulina and gh you are severly mistaken ,, his muscle is NOT REAL ,, it is not developed ,, it is virgin muscle ,, he maybe is the worst bodybuilder in the history of bodybuild,, and they were quite a few bad ones from this generation ,, including the champ which is BAD MR O ,, but! again to the point in question...
bodybuilders know how much it takes to climb in size,, they know exactly how hard it is to be 200 lb 200lb !! 6% at 5'10!! this is nto 220 240 260 this is 200lb 6% 5'10 ...they know how much drugs need to be in bloood for that to happen ,, and yet they choose to lie,, why? it is a mental deasease,, it is something that is really in the brain and not in the body ,,
the actual muscle on frank zane circla 79....is higher than the actual developed muscle on dan hill circa 2011...you have to understand this friends,, you have to understand that you do nto become impressive bodybuild in the eye of fellas who know whats up from taking mega dose insulina and hgh ,, the guru does it for you inorder to make money on you ,, in reality bodybuild is a very very sad activity ,, it involve being an addict,, and all the past heros of you can tell you stories from now till 2020 wont matter the fact they did the same thing only with less than 200iu insulina....they did it with 50...so as you can see being large bodybuild style in modern bodybuild became a complete and utter paralel to the doses of hormones ones take,, and mainly it is hgh and insulina,,
i have transformed 100s of fellas from shrimps to 6 feet monsters on hgh and insulina ,, 100s ,, 6 feet 295lb off season 249 on s tage,,,super heavys,,you know the numbers ,, thats why everyone follow gh15 ,, becauee the numbers i say are written in stone ,, because those fellas are cops who bodybuild and do it themselves,, because the fellas are profesionals who did it and do it still ,, because the fellas know that this is how it is ....220 6 feet on aas 9% 6 feet...then boom gh and insulina then higher doses and consistancy will take one to 290lb if just serious enough and know what he is doing as in LEGIT HORMONES,,
i became invinsible due to one simple thing and it is THE TRUTH,,
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Total bollocks from Dozy, Diabetic, Dicephalous Dorian Yates, another "feet of clay" bullshitter to add to the list of 'heros'.
Here is a great quote from Phil Hernon:
I never took anything for BP. It was always perfect. Proscar for the prostate and hair loss. HCG/Clomid throughout. Femara and Nolvadex throughout. Niacin, fish oils, green tea, CQ10, aspirin for the cv system. metformin to counteract the insulin resistance. Inj B12 and l-carnintine. Liver aids. T3.
I owned my own vet drug company at the time, so I was paying less than $50 for a 500ml vial of test prop of 100mg/ml. That would last 1 year at 1g/week. All other gear was either through my vet company or on script through my pharmacy that I partially own. 50ml Stan was $18. 10ml Deca was $12 and so on. GH was the only expensive thing at $500 for 24IU.
So apart from the GH, the stuff to keep me healthy cost WAY more than the gear itself.
I do need to point out, that I did build up to that over many years, the way BBoy said. I didn't just jump from 250mg/week to the above regimen.
Also, Steele's post is spot on. Getting to pro size is having the genetics to accept the drugs in any quantity without sides. Most people don't have that ability.
And no, I didnt' have any mental issues that I remember. If anything, I am much happier on gear than off.
Personal experience - 1g/week of test in the form of Sustanon or Test Prop was my non stop base for many years. I lost count of the years when I was doing that, but it was way over 5.
Then I would 'cycle' on top of that - 3g of test/week, 1g/week anabolics, orals, insulin, gh.
Never had any sides. BP was always 120/80. Hdl/LDL was fine. No libido issues. Recovery did not take long when I stopped. Years later I fathered 2 children, while on hrt. No hairloss, no prostate issues, no gyno.
I was getting full health check ups (blood, heart, ultrasounds of liver, etc) every 3 months and every 4 weeks when cycling. I was using a HUGE amount of drugs/products to make sure I was getting no sides
Oh and, Dorian, could you tell us why "Dorian Yates the intelligent bodybuilder" (as you are always fucking referred to by the mags) required assistance from Brian Batcheldor and Paul Borreson if all you were taking was low dose anabolics as part of an unsophisticated, elementary drug protocol?
Of course, Dozy Dorian, the above question is rhetorical, there are only two possible answers; you went to Batcheldor because:
a) Self adminstering rudimentary anabolic steroids in low doses was beyond your sub par brain?
or:
b) You were in fact off your tits, on not only grams per week of anabolics, but also imbibing a goodly quantity of Insulin, Interlukin-15, DNP, peptides and systemically infused second generation IGF-1, all novel compounds at the time, of which, you required Batcheldors specialist expertise to deploy?
Secondly, since it now appears you are bereft of anything exceeding a slight interest in steroids, would you care to enlighten us why you were - as rumor has it - involved in founding Black Widow Labs?
Dorian Yates, just another lying cunt!
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Total bollocks from Dozy, Diabetic, Dicephalous Dorian Yates, another "feet of clay" bullshitter to add to the list of 'heros'.
Here is a great quote from Phil Hernon:
Oh and, Dorian, could you tell us why "Dorian Yates the intelligent bodybuilder" (as you are always fucking referred to by the mags) required assistance from Brian Batcheldor and Paul Borreson if all you were taking was low dose anabolics as part of an unsophisticated, elementary drug protocol?
Of course, Dozy Dorian, the above question is rhetorical in nature, there are only two possible answers.
You went to Batcheldor and Borreson because:
a) Self adminstering rudimentary anabolic steroids in low doses was beyond your sub par brain, or:
b) You were in fact off your tits, on not only grams per week of anabolics, but also imbibing a goodly quantity of Insulin, Interlukin-15, DNP, peptides and systemically infused second generation IGF-1, all novel compounds at the time, of which, you required Batcheldors specialist expertise to deploy?
Secondly, since it now appears you are bereft of anything exceeding a slight interest in steroids, would you care to enlighten us why you were involved in founding Black Widow Labs?
Dorian Yates, just another lying cunt!
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Why would anyone involved in the industry tell a real stack to anyone on the internet for free???
You're lucky that gh15 is on here and im grateful that he's on here because the info on here is literally worth thousands of dollars honestly.
People lie...it happens...especially when money is involved...
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Why would anyone involved in the industry tell a real stack to anyone on the internet for free???
You're lucky that gh15 is on here and im grateful that he's on here because the info on here is literally worth thousands of dollars honestly.
People lie...it happens...especially when money is involved...
gh15 is the best guru hands down and thats because he doesnt complicate shit.
pros who sped big money on gurus and nutritionists are fucking stupid.
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It's posts like Gh15's and W8M8's that make me a PROUD member here at GetBig. AWESOME post, as usual, by God, and awesome post as well as quote from W8M8. :) :) :)
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Damn, i would disable your webcam :-X
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Phil Hernon seems a cool guy
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Phil Hernon seems a cool guy
when he doesn'T push his bullshit supplement yes he is ;D
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when he doesn'T push his bullshit supplement yes he is ;D
I'd prefer a supplement pushing man over a stool pushing one ... just sayin'
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What's his supplement line called?
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Total bollocks from Dozy, Diabetic, Dicephalous Dorian Yates, another "feet of clay" bullshitter to add to the list of 'heros'.
Here is a great quote from Phil Hernon:
Oh and, Dorian, could you tell us why "Dorian Yates the intelligent bodybuilder" (as you are always fucking referred to by the mags) required assistance from Brian Batcheldor and Paul Borreson if all you were taking was low dose anabolics as part of an unsophisticated, elementary drug protocol?
Of course, Dozy Dorian, the above question is rhetorical, there are only two possible answers; you went to Batcheldor because:
a) Self adminstering rudimentary anabolic steroids in low doses was beyond your sub par brain?
or:
b) You were in fact off your tits, on not only grams per week of anabolics, but also imbibing a goodly quantity of Insulin, Interlukin-15, DNP, peptides and systemically infused second generation IGF-1, all novel compounds at the time, of which, you required Batcheldors specialist expertise to deploy?
Secondly, since it now appears you are bereft of anything exceeding a slight interest in steroids, would you care to enlighten us why you were - as rumor has it - involved in founding Black Widow Labs?
Dorian Yates, just another lying cunt!
Wow - how on earth do you know all this? :o
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Wow - how on earth do you know all this? :o
W8M8 is Iris Kyle
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W8M8 is Iris Kyle
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What's his supplement line called?
it was Phil Hernon's Pantry .. there's a Facebook page with his email to order from for now .. I guess the main site is closed
W8M8 is Iris Kyle
LOL ... no .. really ... lololololol .. good answer :D ... sorry but .. if I saw that in my mirror I'd jump out of my second floor bathroom window .. and wouldn't bother opening it first
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Wow - how on earth do you know all this? :o
I used to talk to 'John Hodgson' who worked for Chemical warfare, on a regular basis (Paul Borreson, was running the show at the time), he used to do the phones offering advice on how to get the best results from the supps & your diet.
I became friends with him over a period of time, as we discovered that we had other things in common (outside BB'ing), he used to like to get off the topic & have new intellectual stimulation. WE would chat for 60/90 mins if he was not busy packing shit up to be dispatched (yeah, the glamorous life of an IFBB warehouse boy, LOLOL :D)
John was the first guy to give me REAL advice, 1'st was get a set of scales in your kitchen & weigh all your food (not even test advice), & take a week rest every x6 weeks of heavy lifting. This was back in the late 90's, before the split & 'Chemical nutrition' products (CNP) was formed.
John, helped me with my diet, my Test levels & my training over time (even though he knew I never wanted to compete, & had NO desire to get HUGE, I have only ever been 96kg ripped, EVER)
What's the point?? John was from the Manchester scene, & was very close friends with Dorian (who later went on to become the face of CNP) as he had known him for years, was also an IFBB card holder & worked for the same company. After the split with CNP, & Dorian started his own line, well let's just say that - the intel that W8M8 has in 100% on the money ;)
The jury (for mass consumption) is out on the 'Black Widow' issue, but the intel I have says it is 99.9% legit ;)
You decide.........
& as we all know Paul, was a junkie (Nubain) & started ripping people off for large amounts of £, who is now DEAD, go figure ::)
http://www.john-hodgson.com/career-history.htm
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Pre contest you dont want to use very much test. its ony when bulking. 300mg seems believable to me if he were going into contest. if he were bulking no way! most BB keep their test intake very low going into contest. but im not sure how far out they were talking about a few weeks I believe it. 12 weeks no way!. but it is true a few weeks before a show 300mg is believable.
Don't tell me, you have an MD subscription right, & sit by the front door every month waiting with baited breath ;D
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Is Dorian come back?
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Gayer than making up 'stacks' and 'cycles' online.
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Is Dorian come back?
A once mighty worrier, reduced to making appearances, in crap, smooth condition - on shitty Italian day-time TV :-X
A very sad sight indeed. Much like looking at Lion that was caught in the wild through the bars at a zoo :'(
How the mighty do fall...........
Gayer than making up 'stacks' and 'cycles' online.
But not as gay as saying "Gayer than than X,Y,Z" on GetBIG ;)
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LOL @ MD, these fuckers have no shame.
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Total bollocks from Dozy, Diabetic, Dicephalous Dorian Yates, another "feet of clay" bullshitter to add to the list of 'heros'.
Here is a great quote from Phil Hernon:
Oh and, Dorian, could you tell us why "Dorian Yates the intelligent bodybuilder" (as you are always fucking referred to by the mags) required assistance from Brian Batcheldor and Paul Borreson if all you were taking was low dose anabolics as part of an unsophisticated, elementary drug protocol?
Of course, Dozy Dorian, the above question is rhetorical, there are only two possible answers; you went to Batcheldor because:
a) Self adminstering rudimentary anabolic steroids in low doses was beyond your sub par brain?
or:
b) You were in fact off your tits, on not only grams per week of anabolics, but also imbibing a goodly quantity of Insulin, Interlukin-15, DNP, peptides and systemically infused second generation IGF-1, all novel compounds at the time, of which, you required Batcheldors specialist expertise to deploy?
Secondly, since it now appears you are bereft of anything exceeding a slight interest in steroids, would you care to enlighten us why you were - as rumor has it - involved in founding Black Widow Labs?
Dorian Yates, just another lying cunt!
Great quote there, where did you find it? can you redirect me to the thread?
Actually, some great posts in this last page.
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Great quote there, where did you find it? can you redirect me to the thread?
Actually, some great posts in this last page.
BUMP ! I was hopin' W8M8 could post a link as well !
BUMP !!
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BUMP ! I was hopin' W8M8 could post a link as well !
BUMP !!
x2 bumpppppp
I want the whole discussion. :)
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x2 bumpppppp
I want the whole discussion. :)
yes, I want the whole W8M8 !
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Just google part of the quote. It wasn't Hernon post. It was by Big Andrei.
Nowadays Phil is selling research chemicals, not for human consumption. :D
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Nowadays Phil is selling research chemicals, not for human consumption. :D
LOLOLOL !! I have always admired your sense of humor, my friend. :)
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lol @ the peeps who think w8m8 is a woman
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lol @ the peeps who think w8m8 is a woman
she is a woman because she says so and nobody lies on the interwebz
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hmmm there saying Daily so does that mean 300 prop a day? so 2100mg a week? 150 tren per day is about right, dont know anything about primobolan... and the anavar seems to be on the low end. iv known people to run 100mg anavar a day...and even up to 200 tren perday about 10 days b4 a show. if the test is at 2100 per week its the highest iv seen so far...maybe im reading it wrong?
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hmmm there saying Daily so does that mean 300 prop a day? so 2100mg a week? 150 tren per day is about right, dont know anything about primobolan... and the anavar seems to be on the low end. iv known people to run 100mg anavar a day...and even up to 200 tren perday about 10 days b4 a show. if the test is at 2100 per week its the highest iv seen so far...maybe im reading it wrong?
no bro, these fucking bullshiters are saying 300mg prop PER WEEK
8)
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oh in that case, yeah thats not true! lol, thx
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A slap to the fucking face. Thanks, Dorian.
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lol @ the peeps who think w8m8 is a woman
LOL @ peeps who think your a man.
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Pre contest you dont want to use very much test. its ony when bulking. 300mg seems believable to me if he were going into contest. if he were bulking no way! most BB keep their test intake very low going into contest. but im not sure how far out they were talking about a few weeks I believe it. 12 weeks no way!. but it is true a few weeks before a show 300mg is believable.
yep! High test is NOT good before a show- can you say water retention? and just try to get rid of it, even a week of suffering and lasix is going to leave you still on the wet side. Dont believe me. Pin 1000 -1500 mg of test over a couple days time and get back to us...
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yep! High test is NOT good before a show- can you say water retention? and just try to get rid of it, even a week of suffering and lasix is going to leave you still on the wet side. Dont believe me. Pin 1000 -1500 mg of test over a couple days time and get back to us...
it depends what kind of testosterona,,,suspension is very good,, we all use it at high doses,, in and out fast,, and diuretic will dry you ,, you just need one thing that the humngarian steve told you here
T I M I N G
master of timing is the best bodybuilder!,, it is being master of timing!
gh15 approved
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lol @ the peeps who think w8m8 is a woman
I'm 100x more woman than your mother .. fuckwit .. get off the retard drugs and go tend to your website
I can keep my word to Ron and not attack you .. I don't want to hurt your feelings and end up in TimeOut again .. but thanks for the vindication that you can't stop trolling me .. owning your mind makes me a slum lord ... please stop thinking about me I find you totally disgusting
Squadfather wannabe ::) .. it's quite telling how you have nothing else to do worthwhile in your life by seeing how much you are here and what you post ... you're a LOSER Gypsy twat .. but your kind are worthless so that's to be expected
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Just google part of the quote. It wasn't Hernon post. It was by Big Andrei.
Nowadays Phil is selling research chemicals, not for human consumption. :D
One of the bigger scumbags on ProM, IMO. And I believe he admitted to something like 1.5g test and 13iu growth at his peak + other AAS.
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lol @ the peeps who think w8m8 is a woman
Nothing to do with you
You're a troll and we are following an interesting thread
Your pointless bullshit isn't wanted
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Great quote there, where did you find it? can you redirect me to the thread?
Actually, some great posts in this last page.
the original thread was archived but here's a link to see where it was brought up again
http://www.uk-muscle.co.uk/steroid-testosterone-information/146566-dorian-yates-cycle-posted-apparently-legit-3.html#post2441943
Well, Muscular development is owned by Twin Labs, so they no doubt pump their products and yes there would be some slant in that for money reasons.
Here is an article written by Big A that is a pro, posted here years ago.
Taken from professionalmuscle forum and written by the owner and IFBB Pro:
This site was always set up as an advanced site, where you can find TRUTHFUL information about bodybuilding, not bul**** and ideology promoted by people who generally have agendas.
This is the truth:
If your diet, training, health and rest are completely up to scratch, the more steroids you take, the bigger you will get. It's as simple as that.
Pros have got their diet, training (health for the most part) and rest up to a standard that works for them perfectly, but they are only the size they are due to the drugs they take. Don't beleive the crap from anyone, that they are not, even from the 'in the know' people that are on this board. Those very same people for the most part have used/use extremely higher dosages than what they preach. Why do they preach the low dosages? - various personal agendas.
Reality is that as a rule, 1g per week of test non stop year round is the 'off' time for the pros. Gear is added as it's obtained - no real detailed cycles as such. As long as they take the high dosages of gear, they'll grow (as long as the diet, training, health and sleep is up to scratch as mentioned previously).
Several grams of test per week, several grams of anabolics per week, up to 2g/week of tren, a **** load of orals, insulin several times a day year round, GH as much as can be afforded - 15 to 30IU/day, etc.
BUT, pros have the genetics to have their bodies accept the gear, and generally not get sick on it.
And ancilliary use is huge - liver aids to the max, anti-e's, dht blockers, cardio supps, cholesterol supps, etc.
Still, most of them are complete wrecks. They can't control bodily functions,
they pass out from walking a flight of stairs, they get drenched in sweat from tying their shoelaces. Gyno, baldness, dry skin, gout, excess bodily hair, acne, etc are ALL existant in virtually all of them.
It is not a healthy sport, drug use is ENORMOUS, but to ignore it and to preach otherwise is pathetic and not what this site is about.
BTW, Synthetek's books have on them who's who of current pros ordering Syntherol constantly. They ALL use it extensively. It is pathetic though, when one orders a bottle and their credit card gets declined due to not enough funds. You think a 30+ yo would have his life in order more than that.
Hillys post almost 2 years ago, in red is Phils comments:
Just to add to this guys.
As some of you no i was getting help from phil hernon over on pro muscle. I stoped working with him as when i stoped making gaisn his answere was just more gear no adjustment to diet or training.
when i questioned him he said the realuty and truth is more gear equals more growth. Most pro's and good level amatuers if not all are using alot of gear and thats just the way it is.
i have no reason to doubt him or big a as i believe both of them. below is a post BIG A put up i saved regarding his drug use.
thought it was a good post thats why i kept it.
I never took anything for BP. It was always perfect. Proscar for the prostate and hair loss. HCG/Clomid throughout. Femara and Nolvadex throughout. Niacin, fish oils, green tea, CQ10, aspirin for the cv system. metformin to counteract the insulin resistance. Inj B12 and l-carnintine. Liver aids. T3.
I owned my own vet drug company at the time, so I was paying less than $50 for a 500ml vial of test prop of 100mg/ml. That would last 1 year at 1g/week. All other gear was either through my vet company or on script through my pharmacy that I partially own. 50ml Stan was $18. 10ml Deca was $12 and so on. GH was the only expensive thing at $500 for 24IU.
So apart from the GH, the stuff to keep me healthy cost WAY more than the gear itself.
I do need to point out, that I did build up to that over many years, the way BBoy said. I didn't just jump from 250mg/week to the above regimen.
Also, Steele's post is spot on. Getting to pro size is having the genetics to accept the drugs in any quantity without sides. Most people don't have that ability.
And no, I didnt' have any mental issues that I remember. If anything, I am much happier on gear than off.
Personal experience - 1g/week of test in the form of Sustanon or Test Prop was my non stop base for many years. I lost count of the years when I was doing that, but it was way over 5.
Then I would 'cycle' on top of that - 3g of test/week, 1g/week anabolics, orals, insulin, gh.
Never had any sides. BP was always 120/80. Hdl/LDL was fine. No libido issues. Recovery did not take long when I stopped. Years later I fathered 2 children, while on hrt. No hairloss, no prostate issues, no gyno.
I was getting full health check ups (blood, heart, ultrasounds of liver, etc) every 3 months and every 4 weeks when cycling. I was using a HUGE amount of drugs/products to make sure I was getting no sides
Taken from another board Tom Princes cycle:
Week #1: 4 iu's GH/day; 4 x Sostenon 250 mg.; 200 mg. Deca Durabolin; 1 x 50 mg. Teslac tabs/day
Week #2: 4 iu's GH/day; 5 x Sostenon 250 mg.; 200 mg. Deca Durabolin; 1 x 50 mg. Teslac tabs/day
Week #3: 4 iu's GH/day; 5 x Sostenon 250 mg.; 200 mg. Deca Durabolin; 2 x 50 mg. Teslac tabs/day; (pre a.m. workout) 2 x 25 mg. ephedrine tab, 200 mg. caffeine tab
Week #4: 4 iu's GH/day; 6 x Sostenon 250 mg.; 400 mg. Deca Durabolin; 2 x 50 mg. Teslac tabs/day; (pre a.m. workout) 2 x 25 mg. ephedrine tab, 200 mg. caffeine tab
Week #5: 6iu's GH/day; 6 x Sostenon 250 mg.; 400 mg. Deca Durabolin; 2 x 50 mg. Teslac tabs/day; (pre a.m. workout) 3 x 25 mg. ephedrine tab, 200 mg. caffeine tab
Week #6: 6 iu's GH/day; 6 x Sostenon 250 mg.; 400 mg. Deca Durabolin; 2 x 50 mg. Teslac tabs/day; (pre a.m. workout) 3 x 25 mg. ephedrine tab, 200 mg. caffeine tab
Week #7: off; 5000 iu HCG/day; 2 x 50 mg. Teslac tabs/day; 4 clenbuterol/day (2 days on 1 day off); 300 mg. caffeine x 6 days/week (a.m. only)
Week #8: off; 2 x 50 mg. Teslac tabs/day; 4 clenbuterol/day (2 days on 1 day off); 300 mg. caffeine x 6 days/week (a.m. only)
Week #9: 6 iu's GH/day; 1200 mg. Test Cypionate; 600 mg. Deca Durabolin; 150 mg. Winstrol-V (50 mg. each M-W-F); 4 x 50 mg. Teslac tabs/day; 4 x 25 mg. ephedrine tab, 300 mg. caffeine tab (a.m. only)
Week #10: 6 iu's GH/day; 1200 mg. Test Cypionate; 600 mg. Deca Durabolin; 150 mg. Winstrol-V (50 mg. each M-W-F); 4 x 50 mg. Teslac tabs/day; 4 x 25 mg. ephedrine tab, 300 mg. caffeine tab (a.m. only)
Week #11: 6 iu's GH/day; 1200 mg. Test Cypionate; 600 mg. Deca Durabolin; 150 mg. Winstrol-V (50 mg. each M-W-F); 4 x 50 mg. Teslac tabs/day; 5 x Clenbuterol tabs, 300 mg. caffeine tab (a.m. only)
Week #12: 6 iu's GH/day; 1200 mg. Test Cypionate; 600 mg. Deca Durabolin; 150 mg. Winstrol-V (50 mg. each M-W-F); 4 x 50 mg. Teslac tabs/day; 5 x Clenbuterol tabs, 400 mg. caffeine tab (a.m. only)
Week #13: 6 iu's GH/day; 1200 mg. Test Cypionate; 600 mg. Deca Durabolin; 300 mg. Winstrol-V (100 mg. each M-W-F); 6 x 50 mg. Teslac tabs/day; 2 x 20 mg. Nolvadex tabs/day; 5 x 25 mg. Ephedrine tab, 400 mg. caffeine tab (a.m. only)
Week #14: 6 iu's GH/day; 1500 mg. Test Cypionate; 600 mg. Deca Durabolin; 300 mg. Winstrol-V (100 mg. each M-W-F); 6 x 50 mg. Teslac tabs/day; 2 x 20 mg. Nolvadex tabs/day; 6 x 25 mg. ephedrine tab, 400 mg. caffeine tab (a.m. only)
Week #15: off 6 x 50 mg. Teslac tabs/day; 2 x 20 mg. Nolvadex tabs/day; 6 x 25 mg. ephedrine tab, 400 mg. caffeine tab (a.m. only)
**Week #16: off; 6 x 50 mg. Teslac tabs/day; 2 x 20 mg. Nolvadex tabs/day; 10 x Clenbuterol tab (Sun, Mon, Tue only), 400 mg. caffeine tab (a.m. only)
**Day of contest was at the end of 16th Week.
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Nothing to do with you
You're a troll and we are following an interesting thread
Your pointless bullshit isn't wanted
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you talk like your words actually carry any weight.. w8m8 might have bigger balls literally than you haha
fuck off you bloated fuck
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I'm 100x more woman than your mother .. fuckwit .. get off the retard drugs and go tend to your website
I can keep my word to Ron and not attack you .. I don't want to hurt your feelings and end up in TimeOut again .. but thanks for the vindication that you can't stop trolling me .. owning your mind makes me a slum lord ... please stop thinking about me I find you totally disgusting
Squadfather wannabe ::) .. it's quite telling how you have nothing else to do worthwhile in your life by seeing how much you are here and what you post ... you're a LOSER Gypsy twat .. but your kind are worthless so that's to be expected
If Hitler, had not pulled that right turn when Stalingrad, was on the verge of falling (& headed South with a large 'Panzer division'). Well, he would not be here to post at all.
I know what I will be dreaming of tonight, the alternate ending for WWII ;)
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you talk like your words actually carry any weight.. w8m8 might have bigger balls literally than you haha
fuck off you bloated fuck
W8M8, is posting quality insider intel, & you??
Neigh on 20k posts into this account (how many have you had now??), & you have brought fuck all to the table.
What a sorry little untermenchen, you are...
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you talk like your words actually carry any weight.. w8m8 might have bigger balls literally than you haha
fuck off you bloated fuck
An 11stone long term unemployed rumanian
Do you realise this is a bodybuilding board?
You are 11stone at 6foot, 12stone full of grams of gear
That is all
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Thank you for the link W8M8.
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Thank you for the link W8M8.
you're welcome .. sorry I was not timely and can't link the archived original .. saying that .. I like seeing Prince's cycle also
he was a mountain of man in his time
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If Hitler, had not pulled that left turn when Stalingrad, was on the verge of falling. Well, he would not be here to post at all.
I know what I will be dreaming of tonight, the alternate ending for WWII ;)
PT
;) .. sweet dreams
An 11stone long term unemployed rumanian
Do you realise this is a bodybuilding board?
You are 11stone at 6foot, 12stone full of grams of gear
That is all
don't waste your time .. he has nothing else .. this Getbig account is the most valuable thing he has .. his gimmick Winged Lion is the next most special thing he holds near and dear
he can't even get his own website to succeed .. his life is empty if he doesn't log in here and troll for attention .. jumping into threads to post something unrelated is the sign of a lonely man who craves response from another human .. sad innit
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this is a REAL pro's cycle. no adjustment to it. IT IS EXACTLY how it is written. no questions.
but! it was toward the start of "hanging it with the big boys on stage". i have no doubt things were doubled a few years later but this is true for the time...
also as you read it, it goes to show how much they dont give a shit about what they get their hands on. if it is available, theyll take it. take for example primotestan is schering test enanthate. but in the cycle is test enanthate with what looks like vet (75mgx3) anyway also! lol. he would have thought they were "2 different things". lol.
most are clueless. here..
3ml primotestan/wk = 750mg
4ml testosterone suspension in oil/wk = 260mg
3ml testosterone propionate/wk = 300mg
3ml testosterone enanthate/wk = 225mg
..............the above is the test only. then anabolics in same cycle;;
3ml nandralon/wk = 300mg
2ml boldenone/wk = 400mg
,,then orals in the same cycle
dbol 40mg/day = 280mg/wk
anadrol 100mg/day = 700mg/wk
total = 3,215mg/wk
Add GH @ 2iu and insulin 10iu after training only at this point.
knowing 100% the above, its a real shame dorian went the path he did in the new MD magazine. should have just kept the mouth closed because he has now lost alot of respect.
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Well Dorian lost what little respect he ever had.
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^ Doesnt look like alot of gear..i might be wrong.
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Yates doesnt care what you turds think
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Yates doesnt care what you turds think
there is a little bit of yates in all of us
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Reality is that as a rule, 1g per week of test non stop year round is the 'off' time for the pros. Gear is added as it's obtained - no real detailed cycles as such. As long as they take the high dosages of gear, they'll grow (as long as the diet, training, health and sleep is up to scratch as mentioned previously).
Several grams of test per week, several grams of anabolics per week, up to 2g/week of tren, a **** load of orals, insulin several times a day year round, GH as much as can be afforded - 15 to 30IU/day, etc.
BUT, pros have the genetics to have their bodies accept the gear, and generally not get sick on it.
And ancilliary use is huge - liver aids to the max, anti-e's, dht blockers, cardio supps, cholesterol supps, etc.
Still, most of them are complete wrecks. They can't control bodily functions,
they pass out from walking a flight of stairs, they get drenched in sweat from tying their shoelaces. Gyno, baldness, dry skin, gout, excess bodily hair, acne, etc are ALL existant in virtually all of them.
It is not a healthy sport, drug use is ENORMOUS, but to ignore it and to preach otherwise is pathetic and not what this site is about.
BTW, Synthetek's books have on them who's who of current pros ordering Syntherol constantly. They ALL use it extensively. It is pathetic though, when one orders a bottle and their credit card gets declined due to not enough funds. You think a 30+ yo would have his life in order more than that.
I have known all this for years. That is the main reason why I chose not to go for the 250lb ripped look.
Being 96kg (211lbs) ripped is good enough for me (& ALL the women I have ever fucked) so why would I want to be a walking car wreck??
Now that I am 40, I am so fucking glad I made the right choice. I have no health issues (touch wood), I stay on 250mg all year, & up my doses for gains.
I use Enanthate & suspension & nothing else, have done since the prop ran out in the UK, & Aquaviron/Testoviron are a walk into the chemist shop over here in Mumbai.
I can do a Testoviron/Aquaviron, every day for 12 weeks & get no sides. I have the Indian generic for 'Arimidex' & have not even used it yet!! I will do when I get sub 10%, but only for a few weeks........
Nothing fancy in my drug cabinet. But then I get NO acne, minimal water retention, & can climb a flight of stairs carrying a box with 8kg in it, with no issues.
Being in your 20's & doing the British nationals & then the European comps, looking for recognition, & a pro card is a mugs game, end of argument.
Just look at premier league Football, put in the same amount of dedication, & if you have the genetics/talent, you can earn £25k a week basic, never mind endorsements, what a fucking joke pro BB'ing is ::)
Freaks, drug addicts, sexual deviants, ponces & losers, that is the world of the IFBB
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