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Rebels about to take down the capital and knock kadaffi out of power.
the war took longer than expected - but so did iraq and afghanistan.
looks like another win for the US military & leadership - 3 for 3!
The 42-year rule of Moammar Gadhafi appeared on the verge of collapse, with rebel supporters packing, then deserting Green Square in Tripoli
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/08/21/libya.war/index.html?iref=BN1&hpt=hp_t1
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Capital city's on fire, kadaffi's sons arrested...
Kadaffi killed americans and he'll soon be out of power. U S A!
Tripoli, Libya (CNN) -- The 42-year rule of Moammar Gadhafi appeared on the verge of collapse early Monday, with rebel supporters making it to the same Tripoli square where regime loyalists had congregated for months.
But in a possible indication that the fight is not over, celebrations in Tripoli's Green Square gave way to tension Monday morning after rebels told CNN that they'd heard Gadhafi army forces were heading their way. CNN could not confirm any movement of Gadhafi forces.
A large fire, meanwhile, could be seen rising over the capital around 4 a.m. Monday from about 10 miles (16 kilometers outside the city).
The uncertainty came hours after news broke that two of Moammar Gadhafi's sons -- Saif al-Islam and Saadi -- had been arrested by opposition forces. Jumma Ibrahim, a rebel spokesman based in Libya's western mountain region, said both were captured in Tripoli.
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his son will be minus his head and shortly he will be too
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Just another Egypt part 2 and this one will end up worse.
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Rebels about to take down the capital and knock kadaffi out of power.
the war took longer than expected - but so did iraq and afghanistan.
looks like another win for the US military & leadership - 3 for 3!
The 42-year rule of Moammar Gadhafi appeared on the verge of collapse, with rebel supporters packing, then deserting Green Square in Tripoli
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/08/21/libya.war/index.html?iref=BN1&hpt=hp_t1
Rob, you would be a masterful establishment politician, of either party... ;)
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This is going to descend into civil war.
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This is going to descend into civil war.
It's already been a civil war for months.
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The war took longer than expected - but THEY ALL DO.
LOL @ Americans rooting against our nation's efforts to put kadaffi out of office. The guy blew up 200 americans.
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Libyan Draft Constitution: Sharia is ‘Principle Source of Legislation’
Heritage.org ^ | 8/22/11 | Lachlan Markay
The dust has not yet settled over the Libyan capital of Tripoli since rebels took control over the weekend.
But already, a draft constitutional charter for the transitional state has appeared online (embedded below). It is just a draft, mind you, and gauging its authenticity at this point is difficult. There is also no way to know whether this draft or something similar will emerge as the final governing document for a new Libyan regime.
As both the Morning Bell and Washington in a Flash noted today, Heritage Fellow Jim Phillips recently pointed out that Islamist forces “appear to make up a small but not insignificant part of the opposition coalition,” and must be prevented “from hijacking Libya’s future.” Parts of the draft Constitution allay those fears, while others exacerbate them.
Much of the document describes political institutions that will sound familiar to citizens of Western liberal democracies, including rule of law, freedom of speech and religious practice, and a multi-party electoral system.
But despite the Lockean tenor of much of the constitution, the inescapable clause lies right in Part 1, Article 1: “Islam is the Religion of the State, and the principle source of legislation is Islamic Jurisprudence (Sharia).” Under this constitution, in other words, Islam is law. That makes other phrases such as “there shall be no crime or penalty except by virtue of the law” and “Judges shall be independent, subject to no other authority but law and conscience” a bit more ominous.
(Excerpt) Read more at blog.heritage.org ...
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The war took longer than expected - but THEY ALL DO.
LOL @ Americans rooting against our nation's efforts to put kadaffi out of office. The guy blew up 200 americans.
Look you ignorant ass, you can spout all the bullshit you want, this is, was, and will always be an illegal military action.
"Shamelessly exploiting hatred of the latest Evil Villain to irrationally shield all sorts of policies from critical scrutiny -- the everything-is-justified-if-we-get-a-Bad-Guy mentality -- is one of the most common and destructive staples of American political discourse, and it's no better when done here."
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John McCain’s ‘Heroic’ Libyan Rebels Videotaped Beheading of Surrendered Libyan Soldier –”Allahu Ackbar” [Updated]
On April 22, 2011, in islam, news, by velvethammer ....Libyan rebels imitating the long held jihadi tradition of Islamic jihad death porn –the videotaping of a beheading.
Via Howie at Jawa who adds:
Update: Reports are now that the soldier was not captured, he surrendered. Even worse.
If you think they called the US war criminals before, just wait till we bed down these idiots.
I’m not kidding please do not watch unless you are over 18. Graphic beheading, uncensored Islamic savagery.
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I knew it! I knew it! I knew it! I screamed at the TV today listening to John McCain proclaim the so-called Libyan rebels were “his heroes”.
CBS News:
McCain said he was in Benghazi “to get an on-the-ground assessment of the situation” and to meet with opposition leaders and members of the rebel military.
“They are my heroes,” McCain said of the rebels as he walked out of a local hotel in Benghazi.
He also said today the rebel Transitional National Council deserves recognition as the legitimate voice of the Libyan people.
I do not know what McCain’s game is or if he is just that painfully naive BUT he…has…got…to…go.
Reporting from Benghazi, Libya, CBS News correspondent Allen Pizzey said the arrival of McCain is exactly the kind of VIP trip the Transitional National Council has been looking for.
They seen him coming a mile away.
McCain told Pizzey that what he really thinks should happen is that $30 billion in assets that are already frozen that belong to Libya, should be released to the Transitional National Council so that they can get this part of the country working.
Even better! Let’s bankroll what would be a burgeoning Islamic regime!
He [McCain] said nations need to provide the council with “every appropriate means of assistance,” including “command and control support, battlefield intelligence, training and weapons.”
As if this was not bad enough:
WASHINGTON (AFP) – President Barack Obama plans to provide Libya’s rebels with up to $25 million in urgent, non-lethal aid, a senior US diplomat told lawmakers in a letter obtained by AFP on Wednesday.
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A memorandum attached to the letter said the aid could include vehicles, fuel trucks, ambulances, medical equipment, protective vests, binoculars, and radios.
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Obama Approves Use of Predator Drones in Libya
The U.S. is not at war with Libya and has not taken sides, but President Obama nevertheless has signed off on the use of armed predator drones in the North African nation that has been torn by a weeks-old bloody conflict, Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Thursday.
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AP: Britain to send military advisers to Libyan rebels
Update: Each side as barbaric as the other.
LIBYA: Rebels execute black immigrants while forces kidnap others
Info on the (above beheading video) at Live Leak:
African Mercenary harshly Executed by Libyans in Benghazi, Warning: Graphic
They are killed usually after confessing to Murder> Gaddafi brought them in from Mali, Sudan, Chad, guy to kill libyan Protesters. They’re responsible for the deaths of Hundreds of Libyan woman and Children as well as the rape of Libyan Women. No further details. Video origin/post date: March 30th, 2011
Via: Libyan Rebels Terrorize Black Africans
More on the the $25 million Obama approved “non-lethal aid package” and the al-Qaeda connection:
Dismissing concerns over possible links between Libyan rebels and al Qaeda, the Obama administration has notified Congress it is providing $25 million in nonlethal aid to the rebels’ effort to drive Col. Moammar Gadhafi’s regime from power.
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Questions have emerged in recent weeks about the connection between some of the Libyan opposition and the al Qaeda terrorist group. Noman Benotman, a former leader of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, said in an interview last month that about 1,000 freelance jihadists are at large in Libya.
The State Department memorandum attached to the letter, however, stated that the United States finds the TNC to be committed to democratic reforms.
“The U.S. government has been in communication with the TNC in an effort to build a working relationship and to understand its security capabilities and shortfalls, while recognizing the key role that Libyan opposition forces play in the protection of civilians and civilian populated areas in Libya,” the memo said.
The memo also stated that “the TNC has publicly rejected terrorism, embraced the Geneva Conventions, and emphasized its dedication to building democratic institutions to provide for a secular future in which a broad range of Libyan citizens will be able to participate.” >>>
Al-Qaeda number two broaches Libya in new video
WASHINGTON (AFP) – Al-Qaeda number two Ayman al-Zawahiri incites Muslims to rise up against both NATO and Moamer Kadhafi’s forces in a newly released video apparently taped before the Western intervention in Libya.
Zawahiri, wearing a white robe, was speaking in a one hour and nine minute video produced by Al-Qaeda?s media arm, as-Sahab, according to the US-based SITE Intelligence Group, which monitors Islamic extremist websites.
SITE said Zawahiri split his lecture into three distinct parts, addressing in turn the uprisings in Libya, Egypt and Tunisia.
“I want to direct the attention of our Muslim brothers in Libya, Tunisia, Algeria, and the rest of the Muslim countries, that if the Americans and the NATO forces enter Libya then their neighbors in Egypt and Tunisia and Algeria and the rest of the Muslim countries should rise up and fight both the mercenaries of Kadhafi and the rest of NATO,” he said, according to SITE.
Zawahiri stated Al-Qaeda’s backing for the ousted Tunisian and Egyptian presidents and also accused the Egyptian government of “separation from Islam” and “subservience to the West,” the monitoring group said. >>>
Related:
■Videos: U.S. Tomahawk Missiles Fired on Libya – Airstrike Aftermath [Update: News Roundup -- al-Qaeda?]
■Libyan Rebel Commander: ‘Members of al-Qaeda Are Good Muslims’ [Update: Libyan Rebels "Now is the time for Jihad!"]
■Breaking: Obama Signed Secret Order Authorizing Covert Support For Libyan Rebels
■Transcript: Obama Speech Libya March, 28 2011
Related posts:
1.Libyan Rebel Commander: ‘Members of al-Qaeda Are Good Muslims’ [Update: Libyan Rebels "Jihad!"]
2.Breaking: Obama Signed Secret Order Authorizing Covert Support For Libyan Rebels
3.Feel Good In Your Face Obama News Of The Day: Libyan Rebels Cry for Help From Bush [Update: Reuters Scrubs Bush Reference - Pre-Scrubbing Screenshot]
4.Daily Kos Scrubs “THIS is who we’re helping in Libya? Al-Qaeda?” Diary
5.Videos: U.S. Tomahawk Missiles Fired on Libya – Airstrike Aftermath [Update: News Roundup]
Tagged with: Al-Qaeda • islam • Jihad • Libya • Moammar Gaddafi • Obama • revolution • sleeping with the enemy
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http://ironicsurrealism.com/2011/04/22/john-mccains-heroic-libyan-rebels-videotaped-a-beheading-allahu-ackbar
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Look you ignorant ass, you can spout all the bullshit you want, this is, was, and will always be an illegal military action.
"Shamelessly exploiting hatred of the latest Evil Villain to irrationally shield all sorts of policies from critical scrutiny -- the everything-is-justified-if-we-get-a-Bad-Guy mentality -- is one of the most common and destructive staples of American political discourse, and it's no better when done here."
It certainly contradicted Obama's stance on the use of military forces.
And who is going to take over? I wonder if we ever determined the amount of Al Qaeda involvement with the rebels? (Rhetorical question.)
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Mitt Romney to Libyan Rebels: Give US the Lockerbie bomber
The Hill ^ | 08/22/2011 | By Michael O'Brien
Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney (R) demanded on Monday that the new, emerging Libyan government extradite the convicted Lockerbie bomber to the United States.
Amid signs that Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi's government is close to collapse, the Republican presidential candidate demanded that Abdelbaset al-Megrahi be sent to the U.S. "so justice can finally be done."
"It is my hope that Libya will now move toward a representative form of government that supports freedom, human rights, and the rule of law," Romney said in as statement. "As a first step, I call on this new government to arrest and extradite the mastermind behind the bombing of Pan Am 103, Abdelbaset Mohmed Ali al-Megrahi, so justice can finally be done.”
Al-Megrahi was convicted in Scotland for the 1988 bombing of Pan Am Flight 103, a flight from New York to London. All victims of the bombing were killed, including 189 American citizens.
Al-Megrahi was sentenced to life imprisonment, but was released in mid-2009 on compassionate grounds because he was said to be suffering from terminal cancer. U.S. lawmakers were angered when al-Megrahi was greeted in Libya with a hero's welcome; he survives to this day.
The issue of extradition is particularly important to voters in the New York metro area, from which a number of the American victims of the Pan Am bombing had lived. Democrats and Republicans alike from the area have demanded that al-Megrahi be sent back to prison.
Romney is the only GOP presidential candidate to make mention of al-Megrahi in reaction to the tumult this weekend in Libya; the other candidates have been more muted. The issue is especially politically difficult for those Republicans in the race who had opposed the NATO-led intervention on behalf of anti-government insurgents that President Obama had supported earlier this year.
"The crumbling of Muammar Ghadafi’s reign, a violent, repressive dictatorship with a history of terrorism, is cause for cautious celebration," said Texas Gov. Rick Perry (R), the only other candidate to issue a statement as of early Monday afternoon.
"The lasting impact of events in Libya will depend on ensuring rebel factions form a unified, civil government that guarantees personal freedoms, and builds a new relationship with the West where we are allies instead of adversaries," he said, making no mention of Obama in the statement.
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'illegal military action'?
Right. The Taleban promised to turn over OBL and Al-Q to the world court or send his body to NYC in a pine box - just deliver some kind of evidence - we did not. And Iraq? Suck one if you still believe 'wmd'... lmao
'against what obama promised'?
so he betrayed his promise to the liberals he made while running and played neocon nationbuilder just like bush - and you're bitching?
history will look at Bush for getting Saddam, and Obama for getting kadaffi and bin laden. It's that simple.
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The war took longer than expected - but THEY ALL DO.
LOL @ Americans rooting against our nation's efforts to put kadaffi out of office. The guy blew up 200 americans.
LOL @ you supporting Al Qaeda. They killed 3,000+ Americans.
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LOL @ you supporting Al Qaeda. They killed 3,000+ Americans.
its PrickA or PrickB running the place, i agree there.
But PrickB doesn't have 40 years of infrastructure and 32 billion dollars in his pocket. We can push around the new crowd way easier than we could kadaffi, obviously.
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Yeah man, we're doing an AWESOME job pushing around Egypt. Their economy has only completely imploded and they seem intent on starting another war with Israel. Boy, we're doing a bang up job on "handling" these Arab Spring countries.
Tunisia = 4% poverty level to 40% in 8 months. LOLOLOLOLOL, DEMOCRACY!!!!!!!!
You are one stupid fuck. And an Al Qaeda supporter, nonetheless.
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'illegal military action'?
Right. The Taleban promised to turn over OBL and Al-Q to the world court or send his body to NYC in a pine box - just deliver some kind of evidence - we did not. And Iraq? Suck one if you still believe 'wmd'... lmao
'against what obama promised'?
so he betrayed his promise to the liberals he made while running and played neocon nationbuilder just like bush - and you're bitching?
history will look at Bush for getting Saddam, and Obama for getting kadaffi and bin laden. It's that simple.
Yes Illegal military action. where the fuck is the declaration of war? where the fuck is congressional approval after the bullshit 90 day? Your fucking quantifying everything with what Bush did shtick is getting old. Kadhaffi is a bad guy, but I'm pretty sure we knew exactly where he's been for the last fucking 30 years. Face the facts Kadhaffi pissed someone off in Europe, this Arab spring bullshit was just a convenient excuse to try and take him out. I figured by now you stopped believing in the boggy man, but yeah get on that the end justifies the means bandwagon no matter how illegal or unconstitutional it is ::)
"Shamelessly exploiting hatred of the latest Evil Villain to irrationally shield all sorts of policies from critical scrutiny -- the everything-is-justified-if-we-get-a-Bad-Guy mentality -- is one of the most common and destructive staples of American political discourse, and it's no better when done here."
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its PrickA or PrickB running the place, i agree there.
But PrickB doesn't have 40 years of infrastructure and 32 billion dollars in his pocket. We can push around the new crowd way easier than we could kadaffi, obviously.
Are you retarded? Yeah all these grand plans of supporting fucked up middle eastern arabs has never come back to bite America in the ass.
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Yeah man, we're doing an AWESOME job pushing around Egypt.
Oil prices are dropping.
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They gave obama power for 90 days.
Did he illegally keep on warrin' after that? Of course he did!
But you don't give a 5 year old the keys to your BMW, then tell him he's only allowed to drive a block? Then you get all mad when he drives 5 blocks and hits a mailman?
100 members of congress trusted obama enough to give him the keys. If anything, we should be bitching about their lack of judgment. Have yall written senator ron paul to ask him about his vote giving obama the keys to the war BMW?
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They gave obama power for 90 days.
Did he illegally keep on warrin' after that? Of course he did!
But you don't give a 5 year old the keys to your BMW, then tell him he's only allowed to drive a block? Then you get all mad when he drives 5 blocks and hits a mailman?
100 members of congress trusted obama enough to give him the keys. If anything, we should be bitching about their lack of judgment. Have yall written senator ron paul to ask him about his vote giving obama the keys to the war BMW?
So Obama acts like a 5 year old? Last time I checked the POTUS is the CIC. Yeah blame everybody ::)
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Oil prices are dropping.
Oil prices have been dropping for weeks, you stupid fuck. That's what happens when the global economy implodes. Libya and Egypt are not relevant like some of us have been claiming.
But thanks for confirming that all you retards claiming that it was Libya driving up the prices were indeed wrong. We can thank Obamananke and their QE to infinity for that.
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http://abcnews.go.com/International/...ry?id=14353182
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/images/08/22/c1main.saif.al.islam.pool.jpg)
One of Moammar Gadhafi's sons whom the rebels claimed to have captured appeared tonight with the Libyan strongman's troops, telling reporters that his father was safe in Tripoli and that the balance of power has shifted.
"We have broken the backbone of the rebels. It was a trap," Seif al Islam Gadhafi told the BBC. "We gave them a hard time, so we are winning."
Seif al Islam was seen laughing, carried on the shoulders of government soldiers and riding on a tank near the Rixos Hotel, where many foreign journalists are staying.
When asked by reporters whether Gadhafi was safe, Seif al Islam laughed and said, "Of course."
(http://uppitywoman08.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/obama-gaddafi-handshake-091709-lg.jpg)
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days not weeks . . . . . Or months. . . . .or billions of dollars.
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days not weeks . . . . . Or months. . . . .or billions of dollars.
bush/cheney had an optimistic view of how iraq would play out. didn't work out that way.
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Gadhafi Son Rebels Said They Captured Turns Up With Government Troops (says it was a trap)
ABC News ^
Posted on August 22, 2011 9:39:57 PM EDT by Borough Park
One of Moammar Gadhafi's sons whom the rebels claimed to have captured appeared tonight with the Libyan strongman's troops, telling reporters that his father was safe in Tripoli and that the balance of power has shifted.
"We have broken the backbone of the rebels. It was a trap," Seif al Islam Gadhafi told the BBC. "We gave them a hard time, so we are winning."
Seif al Islam was seen laughing, carried on the shoulders of government soldiers and riding on a tank near the Rixos Hotel, where many foreign journalists are staying.
When asked by reporters whether Gadhafi was safe, Seif al Islam laughed and said, "Of course."
(Excerpt) Read more at abcnews.go.com ...
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Gadhafi Son Rebels Said They Captured Turns Up With Government Troops (says it was a trap)
ABC News ^
Posted on August 22, 2011 9:39:57 PM EDT by Borough Park
One of Moammar Gadhafi's sons whom the rebels claimed to have captured appeared tonight with the Libyan strongman's troops, telling reporters that his father was safe in Tripoli and that the balance of power has shifted.
"We have broken the backbone of the rebels. It was a trap," Seif al Islam Gadhafi told the BBC. "We gave them a hard time, so we are winning."
Seif al Islam was seen laughing, carried on the shoulders of government soldiers and riding on a tank near the Rixos Hotel, where many foreign journalists are staying.
When asked by reporters whether Gadhafi was safe, Seif al Islam laughed and said, "Of course."
(Excerpt) Read more at abcnews.go.com ...
LOL @ Americans re-telling the tales of terrorist leaders.
kadaffi blew up a plane full of americans. not 'some group he was associated with did this or that..."
No, he directly sanctioned that and we tried to bomb him for it. guilty. no denying. yet people seem to trumpet his praises because they hate obama.
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I would vote for Gadaffi / Hussein over Bama at this point.
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LOL @ Americans re-telling the tales of terrorist leaders.
kadaffi blew up a plane full of americans. not 'some group he was associated with did this or that..."
No, he directly sanctioned that and we tried to bomb him for it. guilty. no denying. yet people seem to trumpet his praises because they hate obama.
You still don't fucking get it do you? There is this thing called the constitution, and yes even the POTUS must adhere to it.
LOL @ you for being a "the ends justify the means" asshat, no matter how illegal or unconstitutional.
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You still don't fucking get it do you? There is this thing called the constitution, and yes even the POTUS must adhere to it.
LOL @ you for being a "the ends justify the means" asshat, no matter how illegal or unconstitutional.
180 is a Ron Paul fan!
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You still don't fucking get it do you? There is this thing called the constitution, and yes even the POTUS must adhere to it.
LOL @ you for being a "the ends justify the means" asshat, no matter how illegal or unconstitutional.
I didn't say it was RIGHT for obama to ignore the constitution. But it's what he did.
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I didn't say it was RIGHT for obama to ignore the constitution. But it's what he did.
Oh fucking please. GMAFB.
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I didn't say it was RIGHT for obama to ignore the constitution. But it's what he did.
No that's exactly what you did by being an "ends justify the means" asshat.
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obama spent 1.1 billion in Libya (plus mercenary costs, we don't list those).
Kadaffi ousted for that cheap? An american killer taken down for that little money?
We spend WAY more than that in Iraq or afghanistan on a weekly basis - and those results? Um
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"We in Kazakhstan very much admire your mighty warlord, Barack Hussein Obama. May he drink the blood of all the men, women and children of Libya!"
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/Borat_in_Cologne.jpg/230px-Borat_in_Cologne.jpg)
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obama spent 1.1 billion in Libya (plus mercenary costs, we don't list those).
Kadaffi ousted for that cheap? An american killer taken down for that little money?
We spend WAY more than that in Iraq or afghanistan on a weekly basis - and those results? Um
You can spin, twist, contort all you want. The simple fact of the matter is this is illegal and unconstitutional.
1.1 billion is on the cheap? Man you must be a rich SOB. Not to mention the fact that Kadhaffi is not dead or in "custody".
Um what, oh that's right you want to quantify this with something else ::)
If the only justification for bombing some place in the ME is because there is/are American killers there, better strap in its going to be a bumpy ride.
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120 keeps mentioning Bush and Iraq everytime on this thread.
120, was there a declaration of war and approval by Congress to go to war with Iraq? If there was, why do you keep bringing it up? How is it remotely the same?
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This probably needs its own thread but....
What exactly is going on in Libya at this moment? Have the rebels actually seized the capitol and toppled the govt? Are the sons arrested? Where is the Col.? There are still reports of fighting going on in the capital. Did the Col. actually sanction mass slaughter of civilians? Why don't we know anything?
What are the "rebel" forces actually? Are they just Eastern tribes fighting against the Western tribes? Muslim Brotherhood? Will we really see a "inclusive" democratic government?
I would have rather seen Obama spend this money to assist the peoples revolution in Iran when it was popping off....instead he did nothing and watched as the protesters and students were slaughtered.
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it's gonna be kinda crazy... lots of info, disinfo, true and false reports. history is being made here. The US and the UN are in the midst of toppling a terrorist regime. It's a pretty big deal.
Sure, pessimists will say "but but but the next guys will be bad too.." and that may or may not be true. but we do know that whoever comes in, they CERTAINLY will not have the power, insulation, and connections taht kadaffi had after 42 years. The dude was a ghost - ruling from hiding. New guy won't have that problem - they'll have to be visible to maintain power - which means they're WAY more vulnerable than Kadaffi, who lived in military bases and nobody knew where he was.