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SR: At your age, do you feel the need to be carrying the body mass you have now necessary or is it just genetics weighing in over 300lbs today?
VR: At 5'10 I look too thin at 250 pounds, so I believe for me, it is primarily genetic.
SR: Give me some of the best poundage’s you've lifted: Bench- Shoulder Press- Squat- Biceps Curl?
VR:I have bench pressed between 550 on incline bench and 600+ pounds flat bench; 200 pounds on dumbbell press. I’ve done shoulder presses in the range of 450 pounds; squatted nearly 900 pounds, as well I’ve done barbell curls up to 315 pounds and I never liked using a belt or knee wraps.
crazy thighs and calves if you ask me
(http://www.fitnesspont.hu/mass-shop/picture_gallery/Victor_Richards/Victor_Richards_021.jpg)
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I think he's both! Those poundages are totally plausible though and have been done by the Ronnie's and Kevins and .....er, Efferdings of this world.
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Rapetime!!!
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Rapetime!!!
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Don't laugh he just "likes" kids :-X
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There isn't a single pic or video of him going heavy, 1 vid of him struggling with a measly 275 for incline, was a lot of talk about his crazy proportions surely there would've been a lot of gossip about his lifts back in the day and there wasn't, so I call BS
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Don't laugh he just "likes" kids :-X
I think he ate her, how else could he have taken in those 25.000 cals a day ?
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hahahahaa @ 900 pound squat ;D
Big Ronnie did 'bout 800. This mofo would shit his pants under 800 pounds, yet 900 ::)
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hahahahaa @ 900 pound squat ;D
Big Ronnie did 'bout 800. This mofo would shit his pants under 800 pounds, yet 900 ::)
So because Ronnie didn't do it.....no one can?
Great logic my friend.
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I think he ate her, how else could he have taken in those 25.000 cals a day ?
If you read the interview, he addresses the calorie issue.
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I found this on his website, literally.....LOL:
Anabolic steroids and birthday control pills (cause) severe mental illness in humans..e.t.c delusion, hallucination, anxiety, diabetes, bi-polar and mood swings.
From The VRRI....what a clown
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That's a good interview and he sounds like an OK guy. His mega calorie intake claim is believable based on the explanation, although it might be a bit exaggerated.
Too bad Shawn can't post here anymore.
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didn't he say in an article that in the future, the philosophy of Vic Richards would be taught in places like harvard and yale?
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please, he's just another guy with a half empty marker sitting at a fold out table waiting for someone to remember him and walk up to ask a question
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An old friend of mine use to work out at the Gold's in Venice back in the day. Didn't mention any poundages, per say, but said V.R was the STRONGEST bb'er he had ever seen. And said V.R had muscle on top of muscle on top of muscle, etc., etc. I believe not only my friend, but believe that Vic lifted extremely heavy based on the type of physique he presented. It was dense and thick beyond belief. EVERYBODY remembers the famous " FIBO vid ". You tell me that's a physique of a guy who pussied around in the gym ???? LOL !! Thank you !BO vid ". You tell me that's a physique of a guy who pussied around in the gym ???? LOL !! Thank you !
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he lies just like a women
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I remember some videos on youtube on Ric Drasin (sp) channel of Golds in the early 80s and Victor was actually surprisingly weak for his size. Incline 275 for 4-5, Flat dumbells with 150s. Those videos are still on youtube.
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ronnie did 2x800lbs, with belt, wraps, suit and not nearly to legal depth
vic claims "nearly 900lbs" without belt, wraps or suit
ok ok
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So because Ronnie didn't do it.....no one can?
Great logic my friend.
If Ronnie can't do it, it can't be done 8)
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There isn't a single pic or video of him going heavy, 1 vid of him struggling with a measly 275 for incline, was a lot of talk about his crazy proportions surely there would've been a lot of gossip about his lifts back in the day and there wasn't, so I call BS
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There isn't a single pic or video of him going heavy, 1 vid of him struggling with a measly 275 for incline, was a lot of talk about his crazy proportions surely there would've been a lot of gossip about his lifts back in the day and there wasn't, so I call BS
That's the same video I saw. If I remember right he does the 150's for a double on flat bench too. Decent lifting but pathetic for his size.
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There isn't a single pic or video of him going heavy, 1 vid of him struggling with a measly 275 for incline, was a lot of talk about his crazy proportions surely there would've been a lot of gossip about his lifts back in the day and there wasn't, so I call BS
Interesting. At the time 20 years before Internet, mobile phones and phone cameras, there isn't any video clips about Vic. There is very little any material about the bodybuilders at that time, and Vic didn't even compete, he was a side show freak. There was plenty of material in the magazines, but no much more. He was way ahead his time and if he would be competitive BB:er, it would be different story.
It is obvious that he was training hard, but the need to talk about the weights used born afterwards, so he tell how he remembers it. Is there anywhere a video where Arnold talk with his accent "I lifted thousand of pounds of iron with my great muscles"? It didn't matter before there was groupies like you guys, who criticizes lifted pounds more than the point of the matter, size and quality of the muscles.
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kirk karwoski squats about 845 pounds raw. do you really believe some bodybuilder could match best squat of all times?
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kirk karwoski squats about 845 pounds raw. do you really believe some bodybuilder could match best squat of all times?
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going raw a lot of bodybuilders are stronger than the top competitive powerlifters.guys are now getting 300
3 or more out of bench shirts and the same with squats.
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going raw a lot of bodybuilders are stronger than the top competitive powerlifters.guys are now getting 300
3 or more out of bench shirts and the same with squats.
That's true.
Though, like I say, when speaking of raw lifts like squats, poundage claims are meaningless unless you see the style of execution first. A few inches difference in depth can mean several hundred pounds. Vic could be telling the "truth" but doesn't mean it compares to a Karwoski squat.
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There isn't a single pic or video of him going heavy, 1 vid of him struggling with a measly 275 for incline, was a lot of talk about his crazy proportions surely there would've been a lot of gossip about his lifts back in the day and there wasn't, so I call BS
Vic is a NON issue in pro bodybuilding. Why? He never competed as a pro.
Why he gets attention and hype is beyond me??????
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He never competed as a pro.
Why he gets attention and hype is beyond me??????
that's the trick
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Strength
Singlet and knee wraps
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Bro thats that big competition plates that weigh very little for how big they are, the bar isn't even bending, not much weight on there at all.
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Bro thats that big competition plates that weigh very little for how big they are, the bar isn't even bending, not much weight on there at all.
only 170kg total weight
olympic barbell (20kg) + 4 yellows (15kg each) and 4 blues (20kg each)
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An old friend of mine use to work out at the Gold's in Venice back in the day. Didn't mention any poundages, per say, but said V.R was the STRONGEST bb'er he had ever seen. And said V.R had muscle on top of muscle on top of muscle, etc., etc. I believe not only my friend, but believe that Vic lifted extremely heavy based on the type of physique he presented. It was dense and thick beyond belief. EVERYBODY tell me that's a physique of a guy who pussied around in the gym ???? LOL !! Thank you !
Bro don't even go there, Getbig will eat you alive for this dumb comment, have you ever seen Gunter in his prime, ENORMOUS and lifts very light weight, 100's of examples if you wish. Vic Richards is the biggest Shit talker abd fraud in bodybuilding history and that fibo video was talked about for years, exactly my poinht why did no one ever talk about his lifts, oh except for your friend ::)
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only 170kg total weight
olympic barbell (20kg) + 4 yellows (15kg each) and 4 blues (20kg each)
Thank you ;)
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hahahahaa @ 900 pound squat ;D
Big Ronnie did 'bout 800. This mofo would shit his pants under 800 pounds, yet 900 ::)
Yeah, and Ronnie's was high and done in full equipment, too. His squat would NOT have earned him white lights in a powerlifting meet. Few truly understand what a nine-hundred-pound squat means. Hell, most who have "done" it, and more, haven't genuinely squatted the weight, but rather, utilized every trick, drug and gear available.
Vic was/is a strong guy, no question, but his numbers are suspect, definitely. It's the manner in which these weights are lifted that tells the tale, ultimately.
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That's true.
Though, like I say, when speaking of raw lifts like squats, poundage claims are meaningless unless you see the style of execution first. A few inches difference in depth can mean several hundred pounds. Vic could be telling the "truth" but doesn't mean it compares to a Karwoski squat.
Finally, someone who knows the score. Nice to meet you, sir.
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Why not? I think he can do. I mean, someone gotta do that, why not Victor?
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Vic is a lying retard. Sure, he was one of the first truly MONSTROUS BBs, but the crap he says is so see-through to those with a clue.
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It's believable until the 900 bench, wonder how much he exaggerated the other numbers, who cares actually, if he was a too pussy to step on stage with that many drusg in him he was probably too pussy to push himself in the gym as well
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It's believable until the 900 bench, wonder how much he exaggerated the other numbers, who cares actually, if he was a too pussy to step on stage with that many drusg in him he was probably too pussy to push himself in the gym as well
Never said he could BENCH 900. Raw, no one on planet Earth is within 150 pounds of such a feat.
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I mean 900 squat sorry
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I mean 900 squat sorry
lol,..
Anyway.. Bottomline is if Vic threw any where near those weights someone would have talked about it somewhere even the strongest local gym rats that are pushing 5 hundred, deadlifting 600 and and squating 600 are talked about within a 200km radius, but no one ever saw Vic do anything impressive in the gym, don't get me wrong, he is probably strong, but those numbers would have shattered records in those days
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So because Ronnie didn't do it.....no one can?
Great logic my friend.
This business of Coleman being the only guy on earth being that strong is getting out of hand.
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big vic was as usual flex and muscle and fitness propaganda to hype someone against haney ,its like they wanted off his throne yr in and out,remember luiz frietaz him too another big guy ready to dethrone haney,they loved gaspari .
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Strength insanity. 18 year old kid.
Almost 830 at 19
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There isn't a single pic or video of him going heavy, 1 vid of him struggling with a measly 275 for incline, was a lot of talk about his crazy proportions surely there would've been a lot of gossip about his lifts back in the day and there wasn't, so I call BS
You mean that vid of him as a youngster, you forgot to mention that...this was not the Vic of the mid 90s...and there is no date to these supposed interview that the OP put up...
Damn, you'd guess with college educated people and all the info out there, people would reference a date, time of interviews and vids, just to help their points out.
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You mean that vid of him as a youngster, you forgot to mention that...this was not the Vic of the mid 90s...and there is no date to these supposed interview that the OP put up...
Damn, you'd guess with college educated people and all the info out there, people would reference a date, time of interviews and vids, just to help their points out.
Who gives a shit if that video is when he was 9 years old, the fact remains no evidence whatsoever of him lifting super poundages anywhere at any age
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Who gives a shit if that video is when he was 9 years old, the fact remains no evidence whatsoever of him lifting super poundages anywhere at any age
Im not saying he did those poundages...he also "claims" to walk around at 330 pounds, and that was from his website where he sold supps---and that was yrs ago. I remember that, and laughed at anyone believing that...maybe the Nigerian scam artist is strong in him at times.
But, to reference a vid of him as youngster struggling with 275, is of no indication that the 300+ pounder that we saw next to Dorian on the Fibo 94 vid is incapable of doing those lifts.
Just say you doubt it, and move along...
What we do know, is the mofo liked to lift, but didn't like to compete or diet, and he was a untapped talent who still "captures" many minds today...he is a person who is more talked about than many bbers that competed, like Labrada, Gaspari, etc.
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Im not saying he did those poundages...he also "claims" to walk around at 330 pounds, and that was from his website where he sold supps---and that was yrs ago. I remember that, and laughed at anyone believing that...maybe the Nigerian scam artist is strong in him at times.
But, to reference a vid of him as youngster struggling with 275, is of no indication that the 300+ pounder that we saw next to Dorian on the Fibo 94 vid is incapable of doing those lifts. Just say you doubt it, and move along...
What we do know, is the mofo liked to lift, but didn't like to compete or diet, and he was a untapped talent who still "captures" many minds today...he is a person who is more talked about than many bbers that competed, like Labrada, Gaspari, etc.
I beg to differ cause he was only 40-50 lb bigger at his heaviest at most and we all know your lifts can't double with that sort of gain. I am one of the strongest in my gym I was always able to double my own weight on the bench from 180 to 250 that means with a 70 lb muscle gain I added 140 lb on my bench and thats taking all the juice under the sun, so let's give Vic an increase of 100 lb on the bench that would still only put him at 375 on the incline which is pathetic in comparison to the numbers he claimed.
Now as far as your last comment 100% agree 8).
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I beg to differ cause he was only 40-50 lb bigger at his heaviest at most and we all know your lifts can't double with that sort of gain. I am one of the strongest in my gym I was always able to double my own weight on the bench from 180 to 250 that means with a 70 lb muscle gain I added 140 lb on my bench and thats taking all the juice under the sun, so let's give Vic an increase of 100 lb on the bench that would still only put him at 375 on the incline which is pathetic in comparison to the numbers he claimed.
Now as far as your last comment 100% agree 8).
You make a valid point.
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Strength insanity. 18 year old kid.
Almost 830 at 19
Yes, crazy strength. But ya know there is an awful lot of "supps" floating around that gym. ;D
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Yes, crazy strength. But ya know there is an awful lot of "supps" floating around that gym. ;D
For sure. That Lilliebridge kid tried claiming, on MD forums, that he's only tried a few prohormones, never "real" steroids. :D
Chris Hickson just has a deadlifters build. Like always, genetics come into play also.
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For sure. That Lilliebridge kid tried claiming, on MD forums, that he's only tried a few prohormones, never "real" steroids. :D
Chris Hickson just has a deadlifters build. Like always, genetics come into play also.
Amazing pulls, nonetheless. However, some, as you say, just can yank a huge load. Two guys can have the same strength, but if one has good deadlifting genetics, he might be able to hoist two or more hundred pounds more than the other dude. Add in some juice ...
The thing is, though, I'd bet dollars to doughnuts some of these nut pullers will be in serious pain when they reach middle age. They have frames that are just not supposed to lift that much. Limit deadlifts always suffer in technique, of course, but these young guys are doing it repeatedly with gigantic poundage.
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Amazing pulls, nonetheless. However, some, as you say, just can yank a huge load. Two guys can have the same strength, but if one has good deadlifting genetics, he might be able to hoist two or more hundred pounds more than the other dude. Add in some juice ...
The thing is, though, I'd bet dollars to doughnuts some of these nut pullers will be in serious pain when they reach middle age. They have frames that are just not supposed to lift that much. Limit deadlifts always suffer in technique, of course, but these young guys are doing it repeatedly with gigantic poundage.
I have no idea how these guys can lift like that without throwing their backs out. I know they're young, but still- it is hard to believe they don't tweak something
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I have no idea how these guys can lift like that without throwing their backs out. I know they're young, but still- it is hard to believe they don't tweak something
They do tweak things constantly. It's just part of powerlifting.
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What was Andy Bolton pulling at 19? That kid seems like he could be on that level in a few years.
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that lilabridge or what ever his name is can damn near raw bench mid 500s and squat around 8 raw to so he is clost to mathcing vics claims i was shocked when i stumbled accross his videos last yr
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Bro don't even go there, Getbig will eat you alive for this dumb comment, have you ever seen Gunter in his prime, ENORMOUS and lifts very light weight, 100's of examples if you wish. Vic Richards is the biggest Shit talker abd fraud in bodybuilding history and that fibo video was talked about for years, exactly my poinht why did no one ever talk about his lifts, oh except for your friend ::)
Goddamn, you're fuckin' dense. Comments like yours really piss me the fuck off. You know that ?? I've seen Gunter in person MANY times. Enormous ??? NOT FUCKIN' REALLY !! LOLOLOLOL !!! Sorry to burst your bubble, OTH. You can name 99 more examples ! I don't give a fuck ! What I'm referring to is the WAY Vic's muscles look in comparison to other bb'ers. He has the same look that J. O Jackson and Branch Warren have. The thick, strong, dense look. And you know exactly what I'm talking about, too. You compete for fuck's sake !
You need to sort out some of your personal issues with Vic. That's what I think. And I trust my friends, btw. Not only that, but I've heard QUITE a few stories from QUITE a few people about Vic in the old days. You obviously don't believe it because :
A. You just don't fuckin' want to
B. Because you're so use to the bullshit spewed here on GetBig
The people I KNOW don't make shit up just for shits and giggles ! FACT !
No go back to thinking our fellow members will roast me for my comments. And write me another reply rollin' your eyes a few more times. I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKIN' ABOUT. I don't post just to fuckin' post !
MELTDOWN !!!
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They do tweak things constantly. It's just part of powerlifting.
How do they keep lifting these weights then?
I injured my lower back doing bent over rows back in '04 and I could hardly train for 3 weeks after that
I tried to resume doing deadlifts for the first time in about 12-13 years a few months ago, I went up to 315, tweaked my back fairly badly and then decided I will never do squats or deadlifts ever again. I just train for recreation and personal fulfillment and I don't want a bad back to ruin other parts of my life, like going for hikes or playing basketball or pool
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How do they keep lifting these weights then?
I injured my lower back doing bent over rows back in '04 and I could hardly train for 3 weeks after that
I tried to resume doing deadlifts for the first time in about 12-13 years a few months ago, I went up to 315, tweaked my back fairly badly and then decided I will never do squats or deadlifts ever again. I just train for recreation and personal fulfillment and I don't want a bad back to ruin other parts of my life, like going for hikes or playing basketball or pool
Make the lift a sport unto itself. Like, when it's deadlift day, give yourself time to evolve the lift to your heaviest weights. Instead of just scrambling to get to your heaviest sets, pace yourself and don't be afraid to allow several minutes to pass between each set. The deadlift is not an exercise to "pump" or any such thing.
For the first few sets, REALLY feel the stroke as you pull and lock in all that needs to be locked in.
I don't know if any of this makes sense. Hope it does.
Tomorrow I have a deadlift session... fifth last of my pre-meet sessions, actually.
Learn to fire your total muscularity in a tight pattern. Like a precise explosion.
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How do they keep lifting these weights then?
I injured my lower back doing bent over rows back in '04 and I could hardly train for 3 weeks after that
I tried to resume doing deadlifts for the first time in about 12-13 years a few months ago, I went up to 315, tweaked my back fairly badly and then decided I will never do squats or deadlifts ever again. I just train for recreation and personal fulfillment and I don't want a bad back to ruin other parts of my life, like going for hikes or playing basketball or pool
The kid in the video tore a hamstring. Powrlifters always train with injuries.
I can't necessarily recommend it for anyone else but my personal solution to back pain is keeping deads or good mornings in my program. My back problems come on every time I stop deadlifting for a few weeks. I always seem to tweak it when getting away from those movements. Sure, I've thrown out my back many times doing deads too but I always get back to it as soon as I can. Is it smart? I don't know, but too late to stop now. :D
I think hurting your lower back on something like bent over rows is much more likely if the lower back is weak.
For the past 4-5 years I've gone up to at least 300kg every week, many weeks several times a week. Now I haven't deadlifted for 3 weeks and can feel some mild sciatica. :-\ :D
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The kid in the video tore a hamstring. Powrlifters always train with injuries.
I can't necessarily recommend it for anyone else but my personal solution to back pain is keeping deads or good mornings in my program. My back problems come on every time I stop deadlifting for a few weeks. I always seem to tweak it when getting away from those movements. Sure, I've thrown out my back many times doing deads too but I always get back to it as soon as I can. Is it smart? I don't know, but too late to stop now. :D
I think hurting your lower back on something like bent over rows is much more likely if the lower back is weak.
For the past 4-5 years I've gone up to at least 300kg every week, many weeks several times a week. Now I haven't deadlifted for 3 weeks and can feel some mild sciatica. :-\ :D
To each his own! I've always enjoyed doing deadlifts. I think they are the best 1 exercise a person can do- so perhaps I should try to get back to them and build up gradually- I'll give it a thought- I'm just tired of injuring my lower back. I feel especially vulnerable doing heavy (for me) squats and deads, so I just stick to hacks, leg press, and all sorts of pull downs and rows for back
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I think back in the Vc Richards won't have been lifting the crazy weights of today because that wasn't what guys did back then. But now days there's different drugs, and you're not a super mega beast unless you can press the 200s and squat 800-900, so I'm sure he made it his business to do the necessary drugs and training to lift those numbers at some point in the last 20 years.
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Goddamn, you're fuckin' dense. Comments like yours really piss me the fuck off. You know that ?? I've seen Gunter in person MANY times. Enormous ??? NOT FUCKIN' REALLY !! LOLOLOLOL !!! Sorry to burst your bubble, OTH. You can name 99 more examples ! I don't give a fuck ! What I'm referring to is the WAY Vic's muscles look in comparison to other bb'ers. He has the same look that J. O Jackson and Branch Warren have. The thick, strong, dense look. And you know exactly what I'm talking about, too. You compete for fuck's sake !
You need to sort out some of your personal issues with Vic. That's what I think. And I trust my friends, btw. Not only that, but I've heard QUITE a few stories from QUITE a few people about Vic in the old days. You obviously don't believe it because :
A. You just don't fuckin' want to
B. Because you're so use to the bullshit spewed here on GetBig
The people I KNOW don't make shit up just for shits and giggles ! FACT !
No go back to thinking our fellow members will roast me for my comments. And write me another reply rollin' your eyes a few more times. I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKIN' ABOUT. I don't post just to fuckin' post !
MELTDOWN !!!
Dammmmmmmmmmm... chillout man just a friendly debate, if it makes you feel better I'l withdraw my ignorant comment and yes I know what your talking about and I believe you that you've heard stories of big numbers just not the numbers he mentioned, those numbers are outragous 8)
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I think I'm going to start gauging on whether I should up or lower the dose of Test E by reviewing my posts. Judging by my last post in this thread, I feel it somewhat obvious to LOWER the dose. LOLOLOLOL !!!
Sorry, OTM. Didn't mean to go nutso. My apologies, friend. :(
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if we're talking about 4 weeks out condition (as vic always looked), Dennis James would clean house.