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you can't get welfare if you fail a drug test. other states considering the same.
is tdongz fucked?
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About fucking time
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how often to they plan to test people? when u first get on welfare or at random times? i dont know how many people are on welfare in florida but i can imagine that it would be quite expensive to test people on a regular basis
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how often to they plan to test people? when u first get on welfare or at random times? i dont know how many people are on welfare in florida but i can imagine that it would be quite expensive to test people on a regular basis
when you first apply. if you fail, you can't reapply for a year.
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Great policy, they should also do it for people that have been on UE for more than six months. Great policy,
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the paperwork's already being filed in court to appeal the law.
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the paperwork's already being filed in court to appeal the law.
The pillheads have the power---they no like this new law.
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About fucking time
x100000000000000000000 I live here and it's about f'ing time. Scott did at least one thing right.
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Why would you want MORE Government involvement in people`s lives? Do you schmucks also not realize that the Tax Payer is now going to have to PAY FOR THESE EXPENSIVE DRUG TESTS? And then they will have to Staff extra people to administer them, read them, create databases which add nothing but more bureaucratic red tape and an extra unneeded process.
I wonder about some of you sometimes. I really do.
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how often to they plan to test people? when u first get on welfare or at random times? i dont know how many people are on welfare in florida but i can imagine that it would be quite expensive to test people on a regular basis
Less people on welfare means enough money to test the ones that are on it on a random basis.
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Less people on welfare means enough money to test the ones that are on it on a random basis.
One should NEVER relinquish that much control to the Government.
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Why would you want MORE Government involvement in people`s lives? Do you schmucks also not realize that the Tax Payer is now going to have to PAY FOR THESE EXPENSIVE DRUG TESTS? And then they will have to Staff extra people to administer them, read them, create databases which add nothing but more bureaucratic red tape and an extra unneeded process.
I wonder about some of you sometimes. I really do.
are you a democrat that wants less government involvement?
also, the taxpayer pays for the welfare benefits as well.
i guess if implemented, we'll see if the numbers add up. apparently it costs $1140 to do the test per person. how much are the annual benefits? what percentage fails the test?
we'll see. seems like you'd have to have a lot of failures to justify the cost of testing. unless the testing's "random", or if there's just cause for testing, which could open up a whole new can of legal worms.
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Why would you want MORE Government involvement in people`s lives? Do you schmucks also not realize that the Tax Payer is now going to have to PAY FOR THESE EXPENSIVE DRUG TESTS? And then they will have to Staff extra people to administer them, read them, create databases which add nothing but more bureaucratic red tape and an extra unneeded process.
I wonder about some of you sometimes. I really do.
Don't know about USA but here the cost of a test for Rec drugs is equal to one and a half wks bums welfare
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how often to they plan to test people? when u first get on welfare or at random times? i dont know how many people are on welfare in florida but i can imagine that it would be quite expensive to test people on a regular basis
Why give ANYTHING to people who don't work? Screw wasting $$$ drug testing them, I don't care about spending MORE $ on a lost cause.
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Less people on welfare means enough money to test the ones that are on it on a random basis
The vast majority of people will pass the drug test which will cost more money than people testing positive....in addition, while it sounds good on paper right now, I don't people know exactly what the US welfare system consist of....which is:
1. Social Security
2. Medicare
3. Medicaid
4. Disability
5. Earned Income Credit
Basically, there's going to be a line of senior citizens waiting to pee in a cup at an average 130 dollars a pop (35 for the test, 95 for the results and administrator of it). Afterwards those old people are going to be pissed off enough to vote whoever passed this out of office.
Oh, one other thing....if a person fails a drug test, they will more than likely get a public defender and dispute the results costing more money in legal fees. Its no different than Texas spending a couple million dollars to test high school kids for steroids....just a big waste
Another example of implementing a policy based on appeasing the Tea Party.
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are you a democrat that wants less government involvement?
also, the taxpayer pays for the welfare benefits as well.
i guess if implemented, we'll see if the numbers add up. apparently it costs $1140 to do the test per person. how much are the annual benefits? what percentage fails the test?
we'll see. seems like you'd have to have a lot of failures to justify the cost of testing. unless the testing's "random", or if there's just cause for testing, which could open up a whole new can of legal worms.
I am a Progressive who wants as little government involvement as possible. The Welfare requirements are strict:
Single parents are required to participate in work activities for at least 30 hours per week. Two-parent families must participate in work activities 35 or 55 hours a week, depending upon circumstances.
Failure to participate in work requirements can result in a reduction or termination of benefits to the family.
States, in FY 2004, have to ensure that 50 percent of all families and 90 percent of two-parent families are participating in work activities. If a state reduces its caseload, without restricting eligibility, it can receive a caseload reduction credit. This credit reduces the minimum participation rates the state must achieve.
Also remember that the so called "Welfare Money" goes directly into our economy which is not a bad thing at all. These drug tests are akin to doing nothing more than flushing money down the toilet. Who does it benefit? Nobody.
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Why would you want MORE Government involvement in people`s lives? Do you schmucks also not realize that the Tax Payer is now going to have to PAY FOR THESE EXPENSIVE DRUG TESTS? And then they will have to Staff extra people to administer them, read them, create databases which add nothing but more bureaucratic red tape and an extra unneeded process.
I wonder about some of you sometimes. I really do.
I have to take a piss test for employment at random times. Why should I not expect the Feds to piss test someone wanting welfare? Plus aren't you a socialist? Seems to me that you would be all for this. Considering the Government would be the ones make sure everyone is on a fair playing field right?
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I am a Progressive who wants as little government involvement as possible. The Welfare requirements are strict:
Single parents are required to participate in work activities for at least 30 hours per week. Two-parent families must participate in work activities 35 or 55 hours a week, depending upon circumstances.
Failure to participate in work requirements can result in a reduction or termination of benefits to the family.
States, in FY 2004, have to ensure that 50 percent of all families and 90 percent of two-parent families are participating in work activities. If a state reduces its caseload, without restricting eligibility, it can receive a caseload reduction credit. This credit reduces the minimum participation rates the state must achieve.
Also remember that the so called "Welfare Money" goes directly into our economy which is not a bad thing at all. These drug tests are akin to doing nothing more than flushing money down the toilet. Who does it benefit? Nobody.
Exactly, TA, most people don't know that people on welfare...have to work to get it.... ::)
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I have to take a piss test for employment at random times. Why should I not expect the Feds to piss test someone wanting welfare? Plus aren't you a socialist? Seems to me that you would be all for this. Considering the Government would be the ones make sure everyone is on a fair playing field right?
1. I believe a private company has a right to administer drug tests. If you don`t like the company`s policies, don`t work there.
2. The "I have to do it, so everyone should have to do it" mentality is how you end up surrendering all of your rights over to the government willingly and give them power they should never have.
3. I do not like to label myself really as I don`t fit into any one ideology at all. Socialism has nothing to do with Government involvement in Personal lives or the seizure of Private property. Different levels of Socialism can exist in harmony with Capitalism and does so in the United States and throughout the world.
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Exactly, TA, most people don't know that people on welfare...have to work to get it.... ::)
oh give me a break. i don't know how it is by you, but the welfare requirements are not enforced at all in Chicago. i'm not sure what the rules state, but we all know "mamas" that have babies merely to increase their benefits.
i believe tupac sang about these ladies in the song "Brenda".
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1. I believe a private company has a right to administer drug tests. If you don`t like the company`s policies, don`t work there.
2. The "I have to do it, so everyone should have to do it" mentality is how you end up surrendering all of your rights over to the government willingly.
3. I do not like to label myself really as I don`t fit into any one ideology at all. Socialism has nothing to do with Government involvement in Personal lives or the seizure of Private property. Different levels of Socialism can exist in harmony with Capitalism and does so in the United States and throughout the world.
i agree with you on 2 and 3, but shouldn't 1 apply to welfare checks as well?
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oh give me a break. i don't know how it is by you, but the welfare requirements are not enforced at all in Chicago. i'm not sure what the rules state, but we all know "mamas" that have babies merely to increase their benefits.
i believe tupac sang about these ladies in the song "Brenda".
So you are quoting a Tupac Shakur song, a rapper who was shot in 1996 as your "proof and statistical evidence" that welfare requirements are not enforced in Chicago? ???
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i agree with you on 2 and 3, but shouldn't 1 apply to welfare checks as well?
I don`t understand what someone does in their personal life has to do with anything at all. Why create More Bureaucracy and strengthen the Government over people`s private lives?
What benefit would this program have other than wasting more Tax Dollars?
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So you are quoting a Tupac Shakur song, a rapper who was shot in 1996 as your "proof and statistical evidence" that welfare requirements are not enforced in Chicago? ???
the tupac reference was a joke. relax your thong a little, you're taking this too seriously.
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I am a Progressive who wants as little government involvement as possible. The Welfare requirements are strict:
Single parents are required to participate in work activities for at least 30 hours per week. Two-parent families must participate in work activities 35 or 55 hours a week, depending upon circumstances.
Failure to participate in work requirements can result in a reduction or termination of benefits to the family.
States, in FY 2004, have to ensure that 50 percent of all families and 90 percent of two-parent families are participating in work activities. If a state reduces its caseload, without restricting eligibility, it can receive a caseload reduction credit. This credit reduces the minimum participation rates the state must achieve.
Also remember that the so called "Welfare Money" goes directly into our economy which is not a bad thing at all. These drug tests are akin to doing nothing more than flushing money down the toilet. Who does it benefit? Nobody.
Now that sounds a lot better TA
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the tupac reference was a joke. relax your thong a little, you're taking this too seriously.
I knew you were joking, but most people who don`t really have any evidence to back up their assertions, use things like that as their proof.
That is how the myths start. How many times have you heard people start out a sentence, "Don`t THEY say.....". Who the hell is they? When you ask for some evidence or facts, they crumble.
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1. I believe a private company has a right to administer drug tests. If you don`t like the company`s policies, don`t work there.
2. The "I have to do it, so everyone should have to do it" mentality is how you end up surrendering all of your rights over to the government willingly and give them power they should never have.
3. I do not like to label myself really as I don`t fit into any one ideology at all. Socialism has nothing to do with Government involvement in Personal lives or the seizure of Private property. Different levels of Socialism can exist in harmony with Capitalism and does so in the United States and throughout the world.
1. You are correct on that point, however it should be mandatory for someone seeking assistance be clean, especially if the taxes that working American's are paying go toward Welfare.
2. Maybe they should use a private company to administer the piss test?
3. Socialism has nothing to do with Personal Lives? Come on man do you really believe that?
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Less people on welfare means enough money to test the ones that are on it on a random basis.
maybe but then there are no savings in it...
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you can't get welfare if you fail a drug test. other states considering the same.
is tdongz fucked?
Good.
As for tdongz, doesn't he enjoy being buttfucked?
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oh give me a break. i don't know how it is by you, but the welfare requirements are not enforced at all in Chicago. i'm not sure what the rules state, but we all know "mamas" that have babies merely to increase their benefits.
i believe tupac sang about these ladies in the song "Brenda".
Has nothing to do with that. I don't want people to use welfare money to spend on drugs but I also don't want to spend millions of dollars to prevent a few people from doing it.
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Has nothing to do with that. I don't want people to use welfare money to spend on drugs but I also don't want to spend millions of dollars to prevent a few people from doing it.
You're wrong Vince. You don't understand the severity of the welfare abuse the occurs in Florida. You probably have never even been to Florida.
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June 2006 – Los Angeles County
Welfare recipients and their friends and relatives defrauded taxpayers of $500 million a year through the county's child care programs, a grand jury report concluded. The report found that nearly half the $1.1 billion CalWORKS child care program is lost to fraud. DPSS staff said the grand jury study shouldn't be used to draw conclusions about child-care fraud because it was not specifically a fraud study.
April 2007 – Los Angeles County
Through their citizen children, illegal immigrants in Los Angeles County collect $420 million annually in welfare and food stamps, according to a report requested by 5th District County Supervisor Michael D. Antonovich. The Los Angeles County Department of Public Social Services told the supervisor that payments to illegal immigrants' children amount to approximately 24% of the county's combined CalWORKS and food stamps budget. According to Antonovich's office, illegal immigrants annually cost the county $360 million in health care and $220 million in incarceration costs.
May 2007 – Los Angeles County
While exact figures are difficult to tally, experts estimate as much as $300 billion a year is lost to health care fraud in the United States - more than half of it to organized crime. Medi-Cal spends about $34 billion annually to provide care for about 7 million indigent Californians - with about $3 billion of that lost to fraud, experts say. The state Attorney General's Office has a bureau that deals specifically with Medi-Cal fraud. It's prosecuted about 1,000 such cases over the past eight years - double the number for the previous eight years. Most, officials say, are related to organized crime.
these are from California's Department of Social Services. I have run now, i can't use my google fu, but i'm sure other states have similar stats.
http://www.dss.cahwnet.gov/fraud/PG270.htm
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I think there should be a Governments Works Program that allows anyone to sign up for a job that will benefit the public. For instance, picking up trash on the side of the road all day, Construction work, Road Work, Yard Work, Assisting the Elderly, Handyman work etc...
There should be a place where anyone can go and get one of these type of jobs instantly.
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Why create More Bureaucracy and strengthen the Government over people`s private lives?
What benefit would this program have other than wasting more Tax Dollars?
Once again, TA is exposing just how anti-conservative - and stupid - many of you self-identifying conservatives are.
If you people who are cheering this ridiculous new law had any sense whatsoever, you'd realize that this is just another attempt by the government to grow itself and its COST...and once again, you dumbasses are falling for it.
Someone who fails the drug test (which is being administered at taxpayer expense) will first appeal the result (at taxpayer expense) and then be re-tested (at taxpayer expense. A subsequent failure and the individual will seek admission to a treatment program (at taxpayer expense). But if they pass the re-test, then they'll get the benefits (at taxpayer expense). Upon completion of the publicly-funded treatment program, they'll re-apply and qualify for taxpayer-funded benefits.
So, no matter what the result of the drug, the states will end up providing benefits anyway.
Net result: all this law succeeds in doing is forcing you to pay more for what you were already going to do anyway.
THINK, people. Damn.
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Less people on welfare means enough money to test the ones that are on it on a random basis.
huh? did you finish college?
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June 2006 – Los Angeles County
Welfare recipients and their friends and relatives defrauded taxpayers of $500 million a year through the county's child care programs, a grand jury report concluded. The report found that nearly half the $1.1 billion CalWORKS child care program is lost to fraud. DPSS staff said the grand jury study shouldn't be used to draw conclusions about child-care fraud because it was not specifically a fraud study.
April 2007 – Los Angeles County
Through their citizen children, illegal immigrants in Los Angeles County collect $420 million annually in welfare and food stamps, according to a report requested by 5th District County Supervisor Michael D. Antonovich. The Los Angeles County Department of Public Social Services told the supervisor that payments to illegal immigrants' children amount to approximately 24% of the county's combined CalWORKS and food stamps budget. According to Antonovich's office, illegal immigrants annually cost the county $360 million in health care and $220 million in incarceration costs.
May 2007 – Los Angeles County
While exact figures are difficult to tally, experts estimate as much as $300 billion a year is lost to health care fraud in the United States - more than half of it to organized crime. Medi-Cal spends about $34 billion annually to provide care for about 7 million indigent Californians - with about $3 billion of that lost to fraud, experts say. The state Attorney General's Office has a bureau that deals specifically with Medi-Cal fraud. It's prosecuted about 1,000 such cases over the past eight years - double the number for the previous eight years. Most, officials say, are related to organized crime.
these are from California's Department of Social Services. I have run now, i can't use my google fu, but i'm sure other states have similar stats.
http://www.dss.cahwnet.gov/fraud/PG270.htm
They crackdown on Fraud pretty well. Some people do get away with it for sure, but at least there are measures in place to limit or eliminate it.
November 2006 – Los Angeles County
The woman whose son was at the center of last year's Michael Jackson trial has pleaded no contest to welfare fraud. Prosecutors contended that she applied for welfare without disclosing she had money from an insurance settlement. Her attorney said her client "felt she had a viable defense" to the welfare fraud charge, but the attorney says the woman wants to "move on with her life" and not put her family through "a major trial." The woman was ordered to complete 150 hours of community service and pay $8,600 restitution by April 27th.
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If Vince had a half a brain he'd be selling,marketing,promoting some
El Urine de Cleanso i.e.
I imagine sales are about to jump 8)
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You're wrong Vince. You don't understand the severity of the welfare abuse the occurs in Florida. You probably have never even been to Florida.
There would be a LOT less welfare fraud if the personal income tax was eliminated and a national sales tax was collected on virtually everything except food.
THINK.
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you idiots are advocating a larger government and spending $5 to save $1? but as long as a few people are kicked off welfare the working populous can feel better.
penny smart and pound foolish
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One should NEVER relinquish that much control to the Government.
If they are worried about that - they should not apply in the first place. Welfare and others tax dollars is not a christmas gift.
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I like my idea of a Government Works Program that allows anyone to sign up for a job that will benefit the public.
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I like my idea of a Government Works Program that allows anyone to sign up for a job that will benefit the public.
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I like my idea of a Government Works Program that allows anyone to sign up for a job that will benefit the public.
In my ideal situation:
I would have every welfare bum assembling for muster at 5:30 am w work boots:
1. PT for an hour at 6 - 7
2. 7-8 3-5 mile run
3. 8-9 breakfat and shower
4. 9-5 - hard labor in the sweltering heat cleaning trash, roads, planting trees, etc.
5. 5:30 muster and :30 of PT
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There would be a LOT less welfare fraud if the personal income tax was eliminated and a national sales tax was collected on virtually everything except food.
THINK.
Income tax??? You think these welfare rats have income, clueless.
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In my ideal situation:
I would have every welfare bum assembling for muster at 5:30 am w work boots:
1. PT for an hour at 6 - 7
2. 7-8 3-5 mile run
3. 8-9 breakfat and shower
4. 9-5 - hard labor in the sweltering heat cleaning trash, roads, planting trees, etc.
5. 5:30 muster and :30 of PT
I forgot lunch break w rice, beans, barley, bolongne, p&J, etc - sorry.
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I believe this law is being challenged in the Florida Supreme Court as it appears to be a violation of the Fourth Amendment. A similar law passed in Michigan was shot down in the courts. In addition Rick Scott's wife has significant interest in the private clinics that will be administering the drug tests.
While I believe handouts to the citizenry from the government where there is no good reason is not sustainable over the long term, our foreign aid(esp. to Israel and Saudi Arabia), defense spending, medicare/medicaid, social security, trade deficits, and fraud pose a much more dangerous risk to overall debt than a family receiving some sort of government subsidy.
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Income tax??? You think these welfare rats have income, clueless.
^^Proving just how ignorant most Americans are...
Have you ever driven through any urban 'hood - where normal unemployment can easily be in the 30+% range - and wondered why there are so many tax preparation places there??
It's because the present exemption(dependent)-based system allows them to COLLECT on 'income' that was never paid in the first place. They actually PROFIT from the setup of the federal income tax system without having real jobs. You're blind to the facts, hombre.
THINK.
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I believe this law is being challenged in the Florida Supreme Court as it appears to be a violation of the Fourth Amendment. A similar law passed in Michigan was shot down in the courts. In addition Rick Scott's wife has significant interest in the private clinics that will be administering the drug tests.
While I believe handouts to the citizenry from the government where there is no good reason is not sustainable over the long term, our foreign aid(esp. to Israel and Saudi Arabia), defense spending, medicare/medicaid, social security, trade deficits, and fraud pose a much more dangerous risk to overall debt than a family receiving some sort of government subsidy.
How many millions of taxpayer dollars will be wasted on the litigation alone?
THINK, people, damn.
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You're wrong Vince. You don't understand the severity of the welfare abuse the occurs in Florida. You probably have never even been to Florida.
Which is why I recommend that government money be placed on debit cards to where they cannot make cash withdrawals. It doesn't cost a dime to do, allows people to pay their bills, buy food, and the nessesities but prevents people from using the money to buy drugs since drug dealers don't take plastic. In addition, limits can be set up on it just like a food stamp card to prevent the purchase of beer, alcohol, and liquor.
Lot smarter idea than spending more money for continued drug testing of everyone using the programs
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Which is why I recommend that government money be placed on debit cards to where they cannot make cash withdrawals. It doesn't cost a dime to do, allows people to pay their bills, buy food, and the nessesities but prevents people from using the money to buy drugs since drug dealers don't take plastic. In addition, limits can be set up on it just like a food stamp card to prevent the purchase of beer, alcohol, and liquor.
Lot smarter idea than spending more money for continued drug testing of everyone using the programs
agree on that
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Which is why I recommend that government money be placed on debit cards to where they cannot make cash withdrawals. It doesn't cost a dime to do, allows people to pay their bills, buy food, and the nessesities but prevents people from using the money to buy drugs since drug dealers don't take plastic. In addition, limits can be set up on it just like a food stamp card to prevent the purchase of beer, alcohol, and liquor.
Lot smarter idea than spending more money for continued drug testing of everyone using the programs
We need food depots where these people can get beans, rice, potatoes, etc.
we can pay the farmers to grow the food or perhaps even put these welfare people to work on farms tilling the soil, miling the cows, and working the fields.
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We need food depots where these people can get beans, rice, potatoes, etc.
we can pay the farmers to grow the food or perhaps even put these welfare people to work on farms tilling the soil, miling the cows, and working the fields.
The government pays farmers billions not to grow anything. Cripes. You're clueless.
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In my ideal situation:
I would have every welfare bum assembling for muster at 5:30 am w work boots:
1. PT for an hour at 6 - 7
2. 7-8 3-5 mile run
3. 8-9 breakfat and shower
4. 9-5 - hard labor in the sweltering heat cleaning trash, roads, planting trees, etc.
5. 5:30 muster and :30 of PT
You're a fucking idiot you know that?
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Which is why I recommend that government money be placed on debit cards to where they cannot make cash withdrawals. It doesn't cost a dime to do, allows people to pay their bills, buy food, and the nessesities but prevents people from using the money to buy drugs since drug dealers don't take plastic. In addition, limits can be set up on it just like a food stamp card to prevent the purchase of beer, alcohol, and liquor.
Lot smarter idea than spending more money for continued drug testing of everyone using the programs
Combined with my Government Works Program and we now have a solution.
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The government pays farmers billions not to grow anything. Cripes. You're clueless.
I realize that - I would rather that money be used to train the welfare bums to grow food, work the fields, be productive, and grow food.
Toss in an hour of PT a day and we are good to go.
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We need food depots where these people can get beans, rice, potatoes, etc.
we can pay the farmers to grow the food or perhaps even put these welfare people to work on farms tilling the soil, miling the cows, and working the fields.
Totally agree. No reason for them to be getting unwholesome food such as ribeye steaks, cooking wine, and Count Chocula when there are children in the household. Its like what the new proposed supermarket in Detroit is to be(btw, there are no supermarkets in Detroit)...a caged depot where you place your order at the window and a runner inside gets your order while you make your purchase.
I live in South Florida, btw, and I've yet to see a hispanic fellow begging at the street corner. At every intersection down here there is at least 2 to 3 "yellow-vests" begging for change. These homeless beggers(and probably suffering from alcoholism or drug usage) are overwhelmingly black or white. Hispanics(or Mexicans, Central Americans, whatever you want to call 'em) WORK their asses off. A lot of people pile a lot of shit on them, but you cannot deny them their work ethic.
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Combined with my Government Works Program and we now have a solution.
A Government Works program is a great idea. Builds character and gives back to the community.
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A Government Works program is a great idea. Builds character and gives back to the community.
So does an hour of PT a day where the welfare people sing cadence and get whipped up into shape.
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Totally agree. No reason for them to be getting unwholesome food such as ribeye steaks, cooking wine, and Count Chocula when there are children in the household. Its like what the new proposed supermarket in Detroit is to be(btw, there are no supermarkets in Detroit)...a caged depot where you place your order at the window and a runner inside gets your order while you make your purchase.
I live in South Florida, btw, and I've yet to see a hispanic fellow begging at the street corner. At every intersection down here there is at least 2 to 3 "yellow-vests" begging for change. These homeless beggers(and probably suffering from alcoholism or drug usage) are overwhelmingly black or white. Hispanics(or Mexicans, Central Americans, whatever you want to call 'em) WORK their asses off. A lot of people pile a lot of shit on them, but you cannot deny them their work ethic.
I have noticed this also.
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So does an hour of PT a day where the welfare people sing cadence and get whipped up into shape.
PT is for the military to ensure combat readiness and fitness for soldiers....not for civilians. It would serve them no purpose whatsoever.
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PT is for the military to ensure combat readiness and fitness for soldiers....not for civilians. It would serve them no purpose whatsoever.
Work ethic.
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PT is for the military to ensure combat readiness and fitness for soldiers....not for civilians. It would serve them no purpose whatsoever.
Disagree 10000%. many of these sloths need a boot in the ass to get motivated by a DI like in FMJ barking at them 10 hours a day.
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I realize that - I would rather that money be used to train the welfare bums to grow food, work the fields, be productive, and grow food.
Toss in an hour of PT a day and we are good to go.
This isn't 1874, pal. Milking cows, plowing, and tilling is done nowadays by machinery. Not only that, what good would it be to teach someone how to farm if they don't own any land or have the money to do it?
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Disagree 10000%. many of these sloths need a boot in the ass to get motivated by a DI like in FMJ barking at them 10 hours a day.
;D
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Disagree 10000%. many of these sloths need a boot in the ass to get motivated by a DI like in FMJ barking at them 10 hours a day.
Got some bad news for you but the majority of homeless people on the streets are not there because they are lazy. Some have drug problems, some are war veterans who have mental issues from fighting, some were simply got laid off and never was able to get another job and lost everything.
And you wish to go and boot them in the ass when they are at their lowest point??? PT won't do anything for these folks. You have to treat each case in a unique manner but at the same time you should have compassion for your fellow man.
And stop preaching about Drill Instructors yelling at people.....especially since you've never put on a uniform before.
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Got some bad news for you but the majority of homeless people on the streets are not there because they are lazy. Some have drug problems, some are war veterans who have mental issues from fighting, some were simply got laid off and never was able to get another job and lost everything.
And you wish to go and boot them in the ass when they are at their lowest point??? PT won't do anything for these folks. You have to treat each case in a unique manner but at the same time you should have compassion for your fellow man.
And stop preaching about Drill Instructors yelling at people.....especially since you've never put on a uniform before.
Yeah some have the issues you mentioned. Although, a lot of the others decided at an early age to do fuck all and now they want handouts. We can't always be so kind to our fellow man.
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Yeah some have the issues you mentioned. Although, a lot of the others decided at an early age to do fuck all and now they want handouts. We can't always be so kind to our fellow man.
Its about motivating and encouraging productive behavior, not coddling weakness.
Once half of these leeches wash out on the grinder after PT daily and get some type of employment, we can focus on those who truly need help and put them to work doing something, even if its as miniscule as answering the phone for the parks department or something.
As for the hippos w 10 kids and weight 300lbs - fuck that - PT until they get to an acceptable weight.
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EPIC FAIL.
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Its about motivating and encouraging productive behavior, not coddling weakness.
Once half of these leeches wash out on the grinder after PT daily and get some type of employment, we can focus on those who truly need help and put them to work doing something, even if its as miniscule as answering the phone for the parks department or something.
As for the hippos w 10 kids and weight 300lbs - fuck that - PT until they get to an acceptable weight.
That's a movie and not real modern day basic training, you get 3 drill sergeants...not one.
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I went through boot camp, I know.
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I went through boot camp, I know.
BTW, what makes these people leeches????
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I think there should be a Governments Works Program that allows anyone to sign up for a job that will benefit the public. For instance, picking up trash on the side of the road all day, Construction work, Road Work, Yard Work, Assisting the Elderly, Handyman work etc...
There should be a place where anyone can go and get one of these type of jobs instantly.
there's been more than one case of local sheriffs trying to implement this, only to be met with union workers who picketed and immediately shot them down.
did you hear about the kid who tried clearing brushes for his boy scouts badge, and village union workers stopped them, causing about 3 months of drama? eventually the union hall chief resigned from embarassment.
so yes, it's been tried before, but the fat union fucks always extinguish those programs.
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They crackdown on Fraud pretty well. Some people do get away with it for sure, but at least there are measures in place to limit or eliminate it.
November 2006 – Los Angeles County
The woman whose son was at the center of last year's Michael Jackson trial has pleaded no contest to welfare fraud. Prosecutors contended that she applied for welfare without disclosing she had money from an insurance settlement. Her attorney said her client "felt she had a viable defense" to the welfare fraud charge, but the attorney says the woman wants to "move on with her life" and not put her family through "a major trial." The woman was ordered to complete 150 hours of community service and pay $8,600 restitution by April 27th.
yes, there are measures, but you know how great laws that aren't enforced are. $8,600 is nice, but it doesn't say how much she collected?
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BTW, what makes these people leeches????
Most of the ones who are career, generational, and persistent welfare recipients are bums.
I live in the Bronx and gre up here and in yonkers and Mt. Vernon, NY, home to the vaunted DMX, Lox, Mary J., etc. i have seen enouh of these leeches and bums for 50 lifetimes to know that they suffer cultural and societal rot that makes improvement impossible absent a total makeover.
Boot Camp, PT, DI barking at them from 5:30 am to lights out at 8:30 pm is what these fools need.
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Most of the ones who are career, generational, and persistent welfare recipients are bums.
That means less competition for your descendants and mine.
You're fine with that, even though you don't realize it.
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That means less competition for your descendants and mine.
You're fine with that, even though you don't realize it.
not true - those people cause taxes to be too high to pay for cops, fire, ems, jails, etc.
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Which is why I recommend that government money be placed on debit cards to where they cannot make cash withdrawals. It doesn't cost a dime to do, allows people to pay their bills, buy food, and the nessesities but prevents people from using the money to buy drugs since drug dealers don't take plastic. In addition, limits can be set up on it just like a food stamp card to prevent the purchase of beer, alcohol, and liquor.
Lot smarter idea than spending more money for continued drug testing of everyone using the programs
we have that in illinois already. some guy bought some $150,000 worth of "link" cards here as they're called for his restaurant. he paid 50 cents on the dollars, and since he lives near a "mlk drive", he had plenty of customers.
even though there's a process (store clerks must check id's, pin number, etc), the clerks just turned a blind eye as this guy was buying thousands of dollars of groceries for his restaurant with a link card.
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EPIC FAIL.
2% failed, well the other large % obviusly knows how to beat those tests. It's not that hard.
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2% failed, well the other large % obviusly knows how to beat those tests. It's not that hard.
i see you're keeping this bbing related.
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not true - those people cause taxes to be too high to pay for cops, fire, ems, jails, etc.
We all claim we would love for more people to move into the workforce, but when the rubber meets the road, what we actually do is move as many black and brown people as possible OUT of the workforce and into our for-profit prison system. Sure, we pay to keep them there, but what those payments do is to secure more wealth-building for our children and our children's children.
Real talk.
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Why would you want MORE Government involvement in people`s lives? Do you schmucks also not realize that the Tax Payer is now going to have to PAY FOR THESE EXPENSIVE DRUG TESTS? And then they will have to Staff extra people to administer them, read them, create databases which add nothing but more bureaucratic red tape and an extra unneeded process.
I wonder about some of you sometimes. I really do.
Jesus I agree. ???
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we have that in illinois already. some guy bought some $150,000 worth of "link" cards here as they're called for his restaurant. he paid 50 cents on the dollars, and since he lives near a "mlk drive", he had plenty of customers.
even though there's a process (store clerks must check id's, pin number, etc), the clerks just turned a blind eye as this guy was buying thousands of dollars of groceries for his restaurant with a link card.
Well, that's not a system failure, obviously the clerk was in on it more than likely.
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With that kind of "logic" you can make up an excuse to test almost everyone who needs something or wants to make a living. I'll guarentee you one thing, things are going to get a lot worse before they get better if they ever do as far as government being intrusive in our lives.
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Why would you want MORE Government involvement in people`s lives? Do you schmucks also not realize that the Tax Payer is now going to have to PAY FOR THESE EXPENSIVE DRUG TESTS? And then they will have to Staff extra people to administer them, read them, create databases which add nothing but more bureaucratic red tape and an extra unneeded process.
I wonder about some of you sometimes. I really do.
All we're doing is subsidizing drug addicts, if they're working and getting welfare there is no incentive for them to get back on their feet. They can get a second job. Why should we keep putting out for people who have no ambition, not even to take care of their kids?
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you fellas are funy as fuck,,,not one of you know one person welfare right now,,you fellas still think you get 'food stamps' now,,,hahahha
I know many fellas on food stamps here in arizona,,my business works with folks who get food benefits and my companies who work for other companies,,hire these fellas,,they work great,,We even have many folks from this great depression right now working who were making 90k/year and working 70 hours during the boom,,NOW getting food stamps,,,,they are no different than anyone of you fellas who are millionaires on getbig,,who log on daily and are CEOs of companies,,,
you fellas bicker more than mary jane would on desperate houswives,,,over nothing that you guys want to fix,,,,
The few who scam,,,welfare are not the respresative of the typical recipient,,,
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All we're doing is subsidizing drug addicts, if they're working and getting welfare there is no incentive for them to get back on their feet. They can get a second job. Why should we keep putting out for people who have no ambition, not even to take care of their kids?
If a forty hour, five day per week full time job can't pay enough to raise a family,...the job needs to be redesigned...
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I have to take a piss test for employment at random times.
You shouldn't have to. If you want to smoke weed, outside work and in the privacy of your home, that's up to you. Your private life is none of your employer's business.
1. I believe a private company has a right to administer drug tests. If you don`t like the company`s policies, don`t work there.
They don't have the right to intrude on the private lives of employees, to act as surrogate law enforcement, or to hire/fire on non-performance based criteria (as established by anti-discrimination law). Moreover, companies don't make this choice freely. They are being coerced into testing employees by their insurance carriers as yet another way that insurers get to collect more money and pay out less. Insurance companies are dictating people's lives to a greater and greater degree every time I turn around, always under the bullshit "It's for your own good/safety" banner. It's an absurd situation.
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You shouldn't have to. If you want to smoke weed, outside work and in the privacy of your home, that's up to you. Your private life is none of your employer's business.
They don't have the right to intrude on the private lives of employees, to act as surrogate law enforcement, or to hire/fire on non-performance based criteria (as established by anti-discrimination law). Moreover, companies don't make this choice freely. They are being coerced into testing employees by their insurance carriers as yet another way that insurers get to collect more money and pay out less. Insurance companies are dictating people's lives to a greater and greater degree every time I turn around, always under the bullshit "It's for your own good/safety" banner. It's an absurd situation.
I think a Private company should have the right to do as they please in regards to drug testing. Nobody is forcing anyone to go seek employment at a Privately owned company.
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1. I believe a private company has a right to administer drug tests. If you don`t like the company`s policies, don`t work there.
2. The "I have to do it, so everyone should have to do it" mentality is how you end up surrendering all of your rights over to the government willingly and give them power they should never have.
3. I do not like to label myself really as I don`t fit into any one ideology at all. Socialism has nothing to do with Government involvement in Personal lives or the seizure of Private property. Different levels of Socialism can exist in harmony with Capitalism and does so in the United States and throughout the world.
So what would you suggest one do if you don't like your tax money going to pay for drug addicts on welfare? Don't pay your taxes?
You also have no idea how much fraud goes on in welfare and how many people are getting who shouldn't be on it. You act as if only poor honest working people who are down on their luck on welfare when it couldn't be further from the truth. As things get worse economically you'll see more and more of this, people are tired of giving others a free ride.
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you fellas are funy as fuck,,,not one of you know one person welfare right now,,you fellas still think you get 'food stamps' now,,,hahahha
I know many fellas on food stamps here in arizona,,my business works with folks who get food benefits and my companies who work for other companies,,hire these fellas,,they work great,,We even have many folks from this great depression right now working who were making 90k/year and working 70 hours during the boom,,NOW getting food stamps,,,,they are no different than anyone of you fellas who are millionaires on getbig,,who log on daily and are CEOs of companies,,,
you fellas bicker more than mary jane would on desperate houswives,,,over nothing that you guys want to fix,,,,
The few who scam,,,welfare are not the respresative of the typical recipient,,,
spot on..good post
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I think a Private company should have the right to do as they please in regards to drug testing. Nobody is forcing anyone to go seek employment at a Privately owned company.
thats bullshit, there are no other options other than privately owned companies. we dont live in a time where people can subsist on their own independently, if you want to have a house, transportation, food on the table, etc.. you have to work for company of some kind.
on the issue of welfare. dont support it. government should provide food and shelter for the poor. i dont see why they should get anything else.
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you fellas are funy as fuck,,,not one of you know one person welfare right now,,you fellas still think you get 'food stamps' now,,,hahahha
I know many fellas on food stamps here in arizona,,my business works with folks who get food benefits and my companies who work for other companies,,hire these fellas,,they work great,,We even have many folks from this great depression right now working who were making 90k/year and working 70 hours during the boom,,NOW getting food stamps,,,,they are no different than anyone of you fellas who are millionaires on getbig,,who log on daily and are CEOs of companies,,,
you fellas bicker more than mary jane would on desperate houswives,,,over nothing that you guys want to fix,,,,
The few who scam,,,welfare are not the respresative of the typical recipient,,,
I agree as well.
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So who gets tested both husband and wife? Not sure how this works, but lets say if Dad ties one on a few times a year and he the unlucky one who gets tested and fails then his whole entire family is denied food for a year even his kids?
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I think a Private company should have the right to do as they please in regards to drug testing. Nobody is forcing anyone to go seek employment at a Privately owned company.
I think I see where you're coming from TA. A director should be allowed to run his company as he chooses, and as a director I agree that labor laws in general are a pain in the ass, but I don't feel I have a right to police an employee's actions outside of work. Whether someone can choose to work for me or work somewhere else, my rights as a director end where an individual's rights to privacy begin.
But this is all academic yaking. In practice, as always, it's about money. Insurance companies seeking profit, lobbying, making collusive agreements, etc, erode the rights of everyone downstream from them. And under the current structure, we're all downstream from them. I know this may seem like a disconnected rant to people who don't deal with them much, but they basically set your company policies for you, your employees, as well as adding to the cost of your product to the consumer, and your opinion on how your own company should be run doesn't mean diddlysquat.
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thin end of the wedge - next they'll be random drug testing anybody who works - including everyone's favourite AAS
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thats bullshit, there are no other options other than privately owned companies. we dont live in a time where people can subsist on their own independently, if you want to have a house, transportation, food on the table, etc.. you have to work for company of some kind.
on the issue of welfare. dont support it. government should provide food and shelter for the poor. i dont see why they should get anything else.
ever hear of self-employment, fuckface?
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thin end of the wedge - next they'll be random drug testing anybody who works - including everyone's favourite AAS
Hey, The War On Drugs is serious business.
Now I gotta go get my prescription refilled. Almost out of my pharmaceuticals.
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I think I see where you're coming from TA. A director should be allowed to run his company as he chooses, and as a director I agree that labor laws in general are a pain in the ass, but I don't feel I have a right to police an employee's actions outside of work. Whether someone can choose to work for me or work somewhere else, my rights as a director end where an individual's rights to privacy begin.
But this is all academic yaking. In practice, as always, it's about money. Insurance companies seeking profit, lobbying, making collusive agreements, etc, erode the rights of everyone downstream from them. And under the current structure, we're all downstream from them. I know this may seem like a disconnected rant to people who don't deal with them much, but they basically set your company policies for you, your employees, as well as adding to the cost of your product to the consumer, and your opinion on how your own company should be run doesn't mean diddlysquat.
i saw a case the other night on tv where an employer was firing his employees who smoked at home. yes, at home, because he made a case that they're poisoning themselves at home, thereby reducing their productivity at work and running up his healthcare costs. do you think he was in the wrong?
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thats bullshit, there are no other options other than privately owned companies. we dont live in a time where people can subsist on their own independently, if you want to have a house, transportation, food on the table, etc.. you have to work for company of some kind.
on the issue of welfare. dont support it. government should provide food and shelter for the poor. i dont see why they should get anything else.
where do you think the government gets its money from you stupid fuck? and since when do us commoners get to choose which government programs we support and which we dont?
you're fucking painfully stupid.
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i saw a case the other night on tv where an employer was firing his employees who smoked at home. yes, at home, because he made a case that they're poisoning themselves at home, thereby reducing their productivity at work and running up his healthcare costs. do you think he was in the wrong?
Smoke breaks at work would reduce productivity but you said they are only smoking at home, so:
I hate to harp on here, but...
They're not his "healthcare costs." They're his insurance premiums. While his insurer stopped short of saying he had to fire smokers, a policy of charging more for smokers is clearly coercive. "You can choose option A or you can choose option B. Of course, if you choose option B we're going to cut your arm off with this rusty axe. But you are 'free' to choose either option." Gee, thanks.
He's doing what he has to do in order to stay in business.
The employees aren't doing anything illegal.
Who is squeezing everyone and who would everyone be happier without, but who was hidden away enough in the background that you didn't even ask if they played any part, even though they precipitated the whole thing? Clever, aren't they!
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Jim, there's a difference between tying one on and going out and snorting rails all night. I think most everyone can relate to letting loose with a few drinks but drugs are a whole other world.
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ever hear of self-employment, fuckface?
simply not an option for most people, outside of dealing drugs of course.
where do you think the government gets its money from you stupid fuck? and since when do us commoners get to choose which government programs we support and which we dont?
you're fucking painfully stupid.
not sure what your first question is about but we have always been allowed to choose what we support and what we dont support ;D or did you think i meant that my taxes dont contribute to welfare .. ? in which case , are you high?
Jim, there's a difference between tying one on and going out and snorting rails all night. I think most everyone can relate to letting loose with a few drinks but drugs are a whole other world.
drugs a drug, if we arent alloowing people to intoxicate themselves then alcohol is no exception.
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Yes because if I owned a Private Airplane company I think hiring the drug addict with the Pilots License is a better idea than hiring the Non-Drug Addict with the Pilots License. ::)
Whom would you rather have flying the Airplane?
If I owned a Daycare, I`d rather hire the Heroin addict versus the Non-Drug user since you know, both are equally great around children. ::)
Whom would you rather have around your children?
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Yes because if I owned a Private Airplane company I think hiring the drug addict with the Pilots License is a better idea than hiring the Non-Drug Addict with the Pilots License. ::)
Whom would you rather have flying the Airplane?
If I owned a Daycare, I`d rather hire the Heroin addict versus the Non-Drug user since you know, both are equally great around children. ::)
Whom would you rather have around your children?
not being able to execute the job description proficiently is ample reason for not hiring someone, drug use outside of working hours is not
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not being able to execute the job description proficiently is ample reason for not hiring someone, drug use outside of working hours is not
If a person who hires you simply does not like the shirt you are wearing that day, they should have the right to fire you.
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If a person who hires you simply does not like the shirt you are wearing that day, they should have the right to fire you.
right, any reason why an employer feels the applicant wouldnt be a good fit, they have the right to not hire them.
but they dont have the right to FIRE someone without good reason or a forewarning, and they dont have the right to require drug tests. if they suspect drug use, they can fire the person.
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not being able to execute the job description proficiently is ample reason for not hiring someone, drug use outside of working hours is not
not so tdong,,,I know fellas who smoke weed outside of work and totally watted,,and then come into work an hour later,,,what he did outside of work effected him at work,,,the SOB couldnt do his job anymore and he almost put sulfuric acid on some mans arm,,,,because he thought it was WATER!!!!! So I fired him,,,guess what he had the nreve to do aftewards,,,he sued my companie,,,the outcome was that i won and he lost the suit,,he tried to sue me for 1 million dollars in compensation because,,,I MADE HIM SOMKE WEED OUTSIDE OF WORK,,,,DUE TO THE ECONOMY STRESS THAT HAS PUT ON HIM,,,HE SAID HE DESERVED TO SMOKE WEED TO RELEAX AT WORK,,, ::)
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not so tdong,,,I know fellas who smoke weed outside of work and totally watted,,and then come into work an hour later,,,what he did outside of work effected him at work,,,the SOB couldnt do his job anymore and he almost put sulfuric acid on some mans arm,,,,because he thought it was WATER!!!!! So I fired him,,,guess what he had the nreve to do aftewards,,,he sued my companie,,,the outcome was that i won and he lost the suit,,he tried to sue me for 1 million dollars in compensation because,,,I MADE HIM SOMKE WEED OUTSIDE OF WORK,,,,DUE TO THE ECONOMY STRESS THAT HAS PUT ON HIM,,,HE SAID HE DESERVED TO SMOKE WEED TO RELEAX AT WORK,,, ::)
that doesnt contradict what i said. i bet you have tons of employees who smoke weed and do it responsibly when it wont effect their performance at work.
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but they dont have the right to FIRE someone without good reason or a forewarning, and they dont have the right to require drug tests. if they suspect drug use, they can fire the person.
This is up to the states to decide which is why you have varying degrees of employer power such as in right-to-work states such as Florida where you can be fired for any reason without notice and places like California where you have to jump through 75 hoops and hire a team of lawyers before firing someone at McDonalds.
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This has come up on here before - the welfare drug test thing. My position wasn't too popular then either.
Rights under US law aren't something that you "afford." They aren't predicated on purchasing power. Every legal citizen, rich or poor, has them in an equal amount. In theory. In practice, drug testing is a lower class phenomenon (yes, with some exceptions like pilots). If you graduated from Harvard Law, no one is going to tell you to go pee in a cup. If you want a job at Walmart, you're probably going to have to.
Restructure financial aid into workfare or make it hard to use for an unintended purpose as discussed above, or both, but to make financial aid contingent on waiving one's right to privacy is really insidious. It says that it's ok to use financial blackmail to wrest away people's rights (as does corporate drug testing, although not a law). It says that rights are not guaranteed by law but by wealth, and less money means less rights. That is not ok. And surprisingly (or maybe not), it gets strong support from working class "So I gotta pee in a cup too" and "Yeah well maybe they outta just get a job" types who are no more than a few paychecks from the unemployment office themselves and who are [rightfully] proud of themselves for being hard workers. Those who can afford to be a little farther from the financial melee tend to take a less emotional view of these proceedings and see the broader implications of laws like this. Told you not popular, flame on, etc.
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Jim, there's a difference between tying one on and going out and snorting rails all night. I think most everyone can relate to letting loose with a few drinks but drugs are a whole other world.
Bullshit. Alcohol is a drug, period. It's considered more dangerous than many illegal drugs including pot and so on.
All drugs should be made legal and controlled. They lost war on drugs, they just cannot admit it yet. The only way to win it is to test and control everyone. In my book that's against human rights. Actually I believe that penalization of possesion is against human rights. I have right to decide what to do with my body including intoxicating it with any drugs I want. Please don't bullshit me with "medical care" arguments. First of all I pay my fucking taxes. Secondly you forget that this kind of philosophy telling you that individual rights are less important than society is communistic bullshit. There are hundreds of ways of financing medical care for drug abusers when they are made legal. When they are illegal you cant do shit.
If you think that everyone who takes drugs is a junkie and/or an addict you are a fool. There are many people who used or even abused various drugs without getting addicted. Mental addiction is a tricky thing and it works same with every fucking drug, including alcohol. It's complicated psychological process which cannot be simplified to amount of drug taken.
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is tdongz fucked?
He's been getting fucked for awhile now....
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Bullshit. Alcohol is a drug, period. It's considered more dangerous than many illegal drugs including pot and so on.
All drugs should be made legal and controlled. They lost war on drugs, they just cannot admit it yet. The only way to win it is to test and control everyone. In my book that's against human rights. Actually I believe that penalization of possesion is against human rights. I have right to decide what to do with my body including intoxicating it with any drugs I want. Please don't bullshit me with "medical care" arguments. First of all I pay my fucking taxes. Secondly you forget that this kind of philosophy telling you that individual rights are less important than society is communistic bullshit. There are hundreds of ways of financing medical care for drug abusers when they are made legal. When they are illegal you cant do shit.
If you think that everyone who takes drugs is a junkie and/or an addict you are a fool. There are many people who used or even abused various drugs without getting addicted. Mental addiction is a tricky thing and it works same with every fucking drug, including alcohol. It's complicated psychological process which cannot be simplified to amount of drug taken.
Oh, they all admit it, privately. But, there is so much money involving in trying to police it that are 'forced' to keep the machine running. Just hypocrisy, at the basest level.
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Oh, they all admit it, privately. But, there is so much money involving in trying to police it that are 'forced' to keep the machine running. Just hypocrisy, at the basest level.
Correct. The 'war on drugs' - like the 'war on terror' - is just a catchy term for another for-profit, right-wing, feel-good scheme.
Jim, there's a difference between tying one on and going out and snorting rails all night. I think most everyone can relate to letting loose with a few drinks but drugs are a whole other world.
The ultra-rich (white folk) have conditioned you to believe that alcohol is not dangerous. Wake up.
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OK then can someone tell me what good this program will do? I'm mean this as a serious question.
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OK then can someone tell me what good this program will do? I'm mean this as a serious question.
Stop sucking tax payer money out of our pockets.
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Bullshit. Alcohol is a drug, period. It's considered more dangerous than many illegal drugs including pot and so on.
All drugs should be made legal and controlled. They lost war on drugs, they just cannot admit it yet. The only way to win it is to test and control everyone. In my book that's against human rights. Actually I believe that penalization of possesion is against human rights. I have right to decide what to do with my body including intoxicating it with any drugs I want. Please don't bullshit me with "medical care" arguments. First of all I pay my fucking taxes. Secondly you forget that this kind of philosophy telling you that individual rights are less important than society is communistic bullshit. There are hundreds of ways of financing medical care for drug abusers when they are made legal. When they are illegal you cant do shit.
If you think that everyone who takes drugs is a junkie and/or an addict you are a fool. There are many people who used or even abused various drugs without getting addicted. Mental addiction is a tricky thing and it works same with every fucking drug, including alcohol. It's complicated psychological process which cannot be simplified to amount of drug taken.
It's not a human right to do drugs while we pay for it, you dicksmack. Do all the drugs you want and jump off a bridge, just don't ask me to pay for it.
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What about the multitude of drugs you can get with an Rx? I bet this wasn't included in the "ban".
You can get on pharma heroin (equivalent) and speed for your "back pain" and "concentration difficulties".
America =medicated nation. Half the people high all the time, with governenment approval.
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Stop sucking tax payer money out of our pockets.
If this agency/program ever gets up and running, Coach, some subsequent 5 years later, some wonk will do the accounting and find out that the agency spends $10/$20 to every $1 they save through fraud. By then it's too late to get off the highway. There'll be your tax dollars at work. This is GOV101, Coach. ;)
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Most of the ones who are career, generational, and persistent welfare recipients are bums.
I live in the Bronx and gre up here and in yonkers and Mt. Vernon, NY, home to the vaunted DMX, Lox, Mary J., etc. i have seen enouh of these leeches and bums for 50 lifetimes to know that they suffer cultural and societal rot that makes improvement impossible absent a total makeover.
Boot Camp, PT, DI barking at them from 5:30 am to lights out at 8:30 pm is what these fools need.
So if they are doing this every day, where would they find the time or energy to seek employment or go in for an interview ::)
In any event, being unemployed isn't a crime and people should not be treated like criminals
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Stop sucking tax payer money out of our pockets.
It's going to cost them more to do what they were already going to do anyway and then you're still getting the bill for it.
But because you're driven by emotion instead of intelligence, you're thinking "Yeah, we sure showed those marijuana users who's boss!" ::)
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It's going to cost them more to do what they were already going to do anyway and then you're still getting the bill for it.
But because you're driven my emotion instead of intelligence, you're thinking "Yeah, we sure showed those marijuana users who's boss!" ::)
Burn the country down to the ground, as long as they 'win.' :-\
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So you are quoting a Tupac Shakur song, a rapper who was shot in 1996 as your "proof and statistical evidence" that welfare requirements are not enforced in Chicago? ???
LOLOL I've seen it all.
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By the way, the thing about "drug testing" is that the nastiest drugs such as meth (hi, Coach) and crack/coke etc. will leave your system very quickly so a test can be easily duped.
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LOLOL I've seen it all.
no you haven't, it was a joke and he acknowledged it as such.
i think it's hilarious how the hippies are somehow anti government involvement as soon as there's a threat of benefits cuts.
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no you haven't, it was a joke and he acknowledged it as such.
i think it's hilarious how the hippies are somehow anti government involvement as soon as there's a threat of benefits cuts.
I'd love to see the politicians tested for drugs. If you could follow these assholes around, and sneakily get their DNA off of utensils they've used at restaurants or whatever, you'd find plenty of them are users of drugs.
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you fellas are funy as fuck,,,not one of you know one person welfare right now,,you fellas still think you get 'food stamps' now,,,hahahha
I know many fellas on food stamps here in arizona,,my business works with folks who get food benefits and my companies who work for other companies,,hire these fellas,,they work great,,We even have many folks from this great depression right now working who were making 90k/year and working 70 hours during the boom,,NOW getting food stamps,,,,they are no different than anyone of you fellas who are millionaires on getbig,,who log on daily and are CEOs of companies,,,
you fellas bicker more than mary jane would on desperate houswives,,,over nothing that you guys want to fix,,,,
The few who scam,,,welfare are not the respresative of the typical recipient,,,
GetBig is more akin to a cartoon than reality.
Good post my man.
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I'd love to see the politicians tested for drugs. If you could follow these assholes around, and sneakily get their DNA off of utensils they've used at restaurants or whatever, you'd find plenty of them are users of drugs.
I agree. There are doubtless some politicians that could not via drug testing and/or background checks qualify to be their own bodyguards.
But back to the topic at hand. Drug users? Fuck 'em. Don't like being tested by your employer or "benefactor" (that would be for all welfare recipients) ? Get used to disappointment. If you don't use dope then you have nothing worry about. If you are a pathetic user, then man up and quit. Don't want to quit? There's all the proof you need to realize you are hooked. No one owes you a living or a job. Earn your way and stay off dope. Then when you take that piss test at work you won't be pissing away your job/career. Or your life.
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I agree. There are doubtless some politicians that could not via drug testing and/or background checks qualify to be their own bodyguards.
But back to the topic at hand. Drug users? Fuck 'em. Don't like being tested by your employer or "benefactor" (that would be for all welfare recipients) ? Get used to disappointment. If you don't use dope then you have nothing worry about. If you are a pathetic user, then man up and quit. Don't want to quit? There's all the proof you need to realize you are hooked. No one owes you a living or a job. Earn your way and stay off dope. Then when you take that piss test at work you won't be pissing away your job/career. Or your life.
I know damned well LOTS of politicians are fucked up on drugs. Everything from meth to prescription drug abuse. It would fit so naturally with their personality types. And I'm sure they have all kinds of ways to justify it to themselves (just doing it "to stay on top of things", "I'm a very busy person", etc.)
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huh? did you finish college?
Yes I did. Did you? What is not clear about what I wrote? I'll try to explain it to you. If there are less people on welfare, less money is being doled out to the ones that shouldn't be on welfare in the first place. Leaving the majority of the money to use for testing of the people that are on the program. This would take a little while to take affect considering testing would have to start and that would have some upfront cost but eventually the ones that are on drugs would be kicked out of the system so money usually given to them would be available to randomly test the rest of the recipients and more than likely allow for retraining welfare recipients into other lines of work.
You follow now?
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It's not a human right to do drugs while we pay for it, you dicksmack. Do all the drugs you want and jump off a bridge, just don't ask me to pay for it.
You also pay for those who got hurt skiing, doing extreme sports and so on you moron. Should we ban every potentially dangerous activity?