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Under Gov. Rick Perry (R) this year, Texas slashed state funding for the volunteer fire departments that protect most of the state from wildfires like the ones that have recently destroyed more than 700 homes.
NOW - this either means 1 of 3 things...
1) The state has been grossly overspending by 300% on fire dept for the last 8 years - a sign that Perry has zero control over anything there.
2) The state is slashing a valuable public service
3) Rick Perry is slashing/burning as much budget as possible to try to have some decent numbers for a presidential run, at the cost of thousands of jobs of brave firefighters in his state?
I thought the dude had a majorly successful program for fixing the budget... his solution is to triple national debt and fire 3/4 of the nation's firefighters? And cops? teachers?
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LOL damn bro you gotta pace yourself, you still have over a year to go
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Under Gov. Rick Perry (R) this year, Texas slashed state funding for the volunteer fire departments that protect most of the state from wildfires like the ones that have recently destroyed more than 700 homes.
NOW - this either means 1 of 3 things...
1) The state has been grossly overspending by 300% on fire dept for the last 8 years - a sign that Perry has zero control over anything there.
2) The state is slashing a valuable public service
3) Rick Perry is slashing/burning as much budget as possible to try to have some decent numbers for a presidential run, at the cost of thousands of jobs of brave firefighters in his state?
I thought the dude had a majorly successful program for fixing the budget... his solution is to triple national debt and fire 3/4 of the nation's firefighters? And cops? teachers?
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Oh lookie -
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/09/05/perry-to-skip-demint-forum/
Perry skipped the governor's debate when running for office in TX.
And he dodged the Demint Forum.
And his camp is leaking word that he might miss this reagan debate because of the fires?
WAIT - is he HIDING? Was he really campaigning all week and weekend despite the fires - yet suddenly they limit him for a wednesday debate?
Yikes!!!
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He is definitely hiding, but then again you didnt have a problem at all when obama did it during the general.
In fact you praised him for a well calculated political move, what changed 240?
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He is definitely hiding, but then again you didnt have a problem at all when obama did it during the general.
In fact you praised him for a well calculated political move, what changed 240?
I swear, you pull the hypocrisy card out more than anyone I have ever seen.
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He is definitely hiding, but then again you didnt have a problem at all when obama did it during the general.
In fact you praised him for a well calculated political move, what changed 240?
if you have very poor debating skills, then yes, it's a very wise political move on his part.
Since I'm an American, and I do care about the best candidate winning the election against Obama - I'd like to see what Perry has to offer.
I guess if he spends the week giving speeches and touring the states - then magically needs to " do his job" on debate day, we should all congrat him on his "courage"?
LMAO
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I swear, you pull the hypocrisy card out more than anyone I have ever seen.
LOL thats b/c ppl on this board 240 especially are extremely hypocritical...
wouldnt you agree huggy that 240 plays the devils advocate which leads him to be extremely hypocritical?
Ive always said, like me or hate me you know where I stand...I say what I mean and mean what I say.
I cant stand ppl that are openly hypocritical and dont even bat an eye at it ala 240
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He is definitely hiding, but then again you didnt have a problem at all when obama did it during the general.
Which debates did Obama "hide from"?
I thought he did at least 22 debates against hilary?
Please make us a list of what debates obama "hid from". Thanks man.
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if you have very poor debating skills, then yes, it's a very wise political move on his part.
Since I'm an American, and I do care about the best candidate winning the election against Obama - I'd like to see what Perry has to offer.
I guess if he spends the week giving speeches and touring the states - then magically needs to " do his job" on debate day, we should all congrat him on his "courage"?
LMAO
LOL so now you think obama has poor debating skills? thats news to me.
Funny you didnt care about the best candidate last election ::)
perry doesnt have shit to offer, he is bush 3 right after the guy you deepthroat obama aka bush 2.
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Which debates did Obama "hide from"?
I thought he did at least 22 debates against hilary?
Please make us a list of what debates obama "hid from". Thanks man.
the ones where mccain was calling him out for more debates and he said he would only do the town hall ones...you seem to think that was a genius political move and didnt have a problem with it what so ever.
You didnt seem to want to know what he brought to the table but now its a major deal?
nice
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you said obama was hiding from debates.
he did all the scheduled ones. mccain was losing bad - the loser would always love to 'schedule more' - hell, the one trailing by 10 points would debate every single day if they could, waiting for the other guy to fck up.
Which scheduled debates did Obama skip?
Perry skipped his own gov debate, the demint forum, and now *maybe* the reagan debate.
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http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/62780.html
Wow, he cut money last year which could be a great help right about now.
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you said obama was hiding from debates.
he did all the scheduled ones. mccain was losing bad - the loser would always love to 'schedule more' - hell, the one trailing by 10 points would debate every single day if they could, waiting for the other guy to fck up.
Which scheduled debates did Obama skip?
Perry skipped his own gov debate, the demint forum, and now *maybe* the reagan debate.
LMFAO its the same shit dumb ass, why would he want to debate?
if he can not debate and he is ahead or at the top, wouldnt it by your measure of obamas actions be a good move?
why the double standard?
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http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/62780.html
Wow, he cut money last year which could be a great help right about now.
Im sure he was aware that we would be going through the worst drought in recent history when he made cuts. LOL ;)
I dont like perry bro and there are plenty of things to attack him on but please stop fucking reaching.
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LMFAO its the same shit dumb ass, why would he want to debate?
as a political fan, I admire it as a good move.
as an american, I see it as a pretty shitty thing to do, not giving GOP primary voters the chance to see what he really stands for. his book showed a lot of things that he disagrees with - that was a year ago. PLENTY of flip flopping there. Lots of shady donor allegations. As an american, i'd like to see if we're choosing a flipflopping crook. Woudln't you?
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as a political fan, I admire it as a good move.
as an american, I see it as a pretty shitty thing to do, not giving GOP primary voters the chance to see what he really stands for. his book showed a lot of things that he disagrees with - that was a year ago. PLENTY of flip flopping there. Lots of shady donor allegations. As an american, i'd like to see if we're choosing a flipflopping crook. Woudln't you?
Huh, wonder why you didnt express that view when obama did it?
things that make you go hmmmmm.....;)
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Contract Dispute Grounds Firefighting Planes (Sit idle in CA grounded by Obama Admin)
09/07/2011 | Audrey Hudson
Firefighting air tankers are siting idle at a California airport, grounded by the Obama administration
Nearly half of the federal government’s firefighting air tankers are siting idle at a California airport, grounded by the Obama administration in a contract dispute just weeks before wildfires swept through Texas killing a mother and her child, and destroying 100,000 acres.
The massive blazes forced Texas Gov. and Republican presidential hopeful Rick Perry to abruptly call off a campaign appearance in South Carolina earlier this week to respond to the crisis, and may force him to cancel his first debate appearance Wednesday night.
The U.S. Forest Service terminated the contract with Aero Union five weeks ago to operate seven P-3 Orions that are critical to the agency’s firefighting mission, leaving the federal government with 11 tankers under contract to help battle more than 50 large uncontained wildfires now burning nationwide.
That’s down from 40 tankers used by the Forest Service just a decade ago, according to Rep. Dan Lungren (R.-Calif.), chairman of the House Committee on Administration, who is challenging the decision to dismiss the largest provider of heavy air-tanker support to the federal government.
“We were certified to fly all season, but they just terminated us and threw 60 people out of work and left the country vulnerable to fires, as you can see right now in Texas,” said Britt Gourley, CEO for Aero Union.
“This is our 50th anniversary fighting fires for the Forest Service. It’s not quite the way we wanted to celebrate it,” Gourley said.
Gourley said the government did not provide details on why the contract was canceled, but that they did not agree with Aero Union’s 15-year maintenance plan.
“We wanted to sit down with them and ask why it was canceled and find a quick resolution, but they didn’t want to talk about it. They just said, ‘We don’t want the airplanes, have a nice life,’ ” Gourley said. “I had to let go of my staff–60 people and their families were devastated,” Gourley said. “It’s really been tragic.”
The Forest Service says it will not use aircraft that does not meet its requirements, and in this case that included the long-term airworthiness inspection program, although the company passed its annual inspection.
“Our main priority is protecting and saving lives, and we can’t in good conscience maintain an aviation contract where we feel lives may be put at risk due to inadequate safety practices,” said Tom Harbour, director of the Forest Services fire and aviation management program.
“This contract termination notwithstanding, we possess the aircraft support needed for this year’s fire season,” Harbour said.
In a letter to the administration questioning the canceled contracts that was obtained by HUMAN EVENTS, Lungren said the aircraft “are some of the best available for fighting fires in the United States.”
“The [Federal Aviation Administration] representative stated that the disrupted contract issues which led to the grounding of Aero Union’s entire fleet do not relate to the suitability of these aircraft to perform for the remainder of this fire season,” Lungren said in the Aug. 15 letter to Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack, whose agency oversees the Forest Service.
“I am deeply troubled by the Forest Service’s sudden action, particularly as California enters into the fire season. Our aerial firefighting fleet is already seriously undercapitalized,” Lungren said.
In addition to the 11 tankers in the fleet still operating, two air tankers are under contract to operate on-call, and up to eight military firefighting aircraft can be called to assist if needed.
Aero Union operated six Lockheed P-3 Orions, and was preparing to add a seventh to the fleet when the contract was canceled. The four-engine turboprops were originally used as anti-submarine and maritime surveillance aircraft that were built for the U.S. Navy.
Ultimately, those aircraft will be replaced with two-engine CV 580s from Canada, which Lungren said is “worrisome” because those aircraft will carry a smaller load of fuel-retardant and require more downtime.
Despite the contract cancellation, Gourley told HUMAN EVENTS he has reached out to his former employees and that they could have four planes up in 48 hours to fly to Texas’ rescue, and assist in other devastating fires burning in California.
“First and foremost, we are firefighters at Aero Union, and we do not want to sit idle while the people of Texas and California suffer,” Gourley said in a letter Tuesday to Harbour.
“We feel strongly that a contract disagreement unrelated to the safety of our fleet to fight fires should not stand in the way of our mission at a time when these aircraft are most needed. The tragic scenes in Texas and California make any contract issues appear very secondary,” Gourley said.
Perry toured the devastation near Austin on Tuesday and viewed some of the homes destroyed by the flames.
“These fires are serious and widespread, and as mean as I have ever seen, burning more than 1,000 homes since this wildfire season began,” Perry said.
“Texas appreciates the resources and support we continue to receive from across the state and across the country to fight these fires, and the efforts of the brave men and women who put themselves in harm's way to protect Texans' lives and property. Our thoughts and prayers are with those who are impacted by these fires,” Perry said.
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as a political fan, I admire it as a good move.
as an american, I see it as a pretty shitty thing to do, not giving GOP primary voters the chance to see what he really stands for. his book showed a lot of things that he disagrees with - that was a year ago. PLENTY of flip flopping there. Lots of shady donor allegations. As an american, i'd like to see if we're choosing a flipflopping crook. Woudln't you?
My goodness. The more you try to make sense of your posts the more you come out looking like dog poop.
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240, who I'm sure is a nice guy...appears to me to be a bandwagon jumper. He has defended Obama up until about 6 months or so ago. You'd need to ask 333, Im sure he could find the exact post date that 240 jumped ship and became a libertarian.
As for the planes...more failure on the part of Barry the shitbag.
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240, who I'm sure is a nice guy...appears to me to be a bandwagon jumper. He has defended Obama up until about 6 months or so ago. You'd need to ask 333, Im sure he could find the exact post date that 240 jumped ship and became a libertarian.
As for the planes...more failure on the part of Barry the shitbag.
240 is no more libertarian than Obama is.
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Oh I'm sure your right...its his attempt to jump on a new band wagon as the Obongo one is sinking.
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Oh I'm sure your right...its his attempt to jump on a new band wagon as the Obongo one is sinking.
He is the only guy I know who says he supports Ron Paul yet disagrees with about 75% of the things Ron Paul stands for.
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Huh, wonder why you didnt express that view when obama did it?
things that make you go hmmmmm.....;)
i've said for years that obama is morally corrput but a very good politician.
He is the only guy I know who says he supports Ron Paul yet disagrees with about 75% of the things Ron Paul stands for.
please list all of RPaul's postition, along with evidence I disagree with "75%" of them. You said "ALL", then you said "85%" of them. every time I ask for evidence, your number drops. ???
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i've said for years that obama is morally corrput but a very good politician.
please list all of RPaul's postition, along with evidence I disagree with "75%" of them. You said "ALL", then you said "85%" of them. every time I ask for evidence, your number drops. ???
Yeah, I'm sure you agree with RP on some minor issue that no one ever heard of, yet you disagree with his economic and foreign policy agenda.
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Yeah, I'm sure you agree with RP on some minor issue that no one ever heard of, yet you disagree with his economic and foreign policy agenda.
how about you choose the top 20 RPaul issues. list where he is, and i'll list where i stand on each. we'll see if 100%, 85%, 75%, or any other number you create is accurate. i agree he and I are differnet on some issues, but he is my #1 choice because overall, he's the ONLY candidate that won't be business as usual. bush = obama = mccain = perry = mitt. let's be honest.
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how about you choose the top 20 RPaul issues. list where he is, and i'll list where i stand on each. we'll see if 100%, 85%, 75%, or any other number you create is accurate. i agree he and I are differnet on some issues, but he is my #1 choice because overall, he's the ONLY candidate that won't be business as usual. bush = obama = mccain = perry = mitt. let's be honest.
Bullshit - you disagree on the most important issues and are jumping on the bandwagon after your messiah has failed so miserably.
TARP
Medicare
SS
Lybia
TALF
Stim Bill
Welfare
and on and on and on and on.
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Bullshit - you disagree on the most important issues and are jumping on the bandwagon after your messiah has failed so miserably.
TARP
Medicare
SS
Lybia
TALF
Stim Bill
Welfare
and on and on and on and on.
you made a claim. 3 claims, actually.
i offered to prove or disprove your claim, asking only that you google 'ron paul position on issues' so that i could painstakingly detail where i am on each issue.
you decline. ???
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The ones I listed above are the most pertinent and you disagree with them all.
Other than gun control, you are an obamabot through and through.
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Perry's the most corrupt, with Romney close behind, Bachmann is nuts, Palin is incompetent. To be honest, at this point they make Barry look like a solid choice.
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Perry's the most corrupt, with Romney close behind, Bachmann is nuts, Palin is incompetent. To be honest, at this point they make Barry look like a solid choice.
LMFAO!
Solyndra and F&F mean anything to you?
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LMFAO!
Solyndra and F&F mean anything to you?
Ya, that Bush handed off a flaming bag of crap to his successor.
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Ya, that Bush handed off a flaming bag of crap to his successor.
FAIL
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LMFAO!
Solyndra and F&F mean anything to you?
your only retort is 'obama sucks to'?
dammit man, defend the GOpers
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your only retort is 'obama sucks to'?
dammit man, defend the GOpers
I already did my math calculation. A guatamalen illegal alien homeless drunk ape sleeping a cardboard mat in NYC has a better chance at being a good potus than obama.
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so that i could painstakingly detail where i am on each issue.
you decline. ???
Who wouldn't decline? Your stance changes each day - hell sometimes each hour of each day.
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A guatamalen illegal alien homeless drunk ape sleeping a cardboard mat in NYC has a better chance at being a good potus than obama.
hahahahahahahah
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I only read the first post on the top of this page. Is 180 still claiming to support Ron Paul despite the fact that he disagrees with every one of his viewpoints? He's a pathetic bandwagon shill that still thinks posing as a fiscal conservative will lend credence to his Obama dick sucking.
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I only read the first post on the top of this page. Is 180 still claiming to support Ron Paul despite the fact that he disagrees with every one of his viewpoints? He's a pathetic bandwagon shill that still thinks posing as a fiscal conservative will lend credence to his Obama dick sucking.
No, you have list each stance and he'll tell you where he is on it as of: Wednesday September 07, 2011, 1931hrs.
Disclaimer: 240's stance subject to change with date, wind direction, spinability, and Palin's latest tweets.
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LOL damn bro you gotta pace yourself, you still have over a year to go
really? that's the same thing I've been telling 333386 for months now..
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really? that's the same thing I've been telling 333386 for months now..
cool story hansel...
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No, you have list each stance and he'll tell you where he is on it as of: Wednesday September 07, 2011, 1931hrs.
Disclaimer: 240's stance subject to change with date, wind direction, spinability, and Palin's latest tweets.
Hahahahahaha. He should really give some serious thought about attaching that disclaimer to his posts.
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Quit arguing, you guys.
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Quit arguing, you gays.
fixed.
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Volunteer firefighters turned away in Bastrop; officials say they lacked equipment, training
By Mike Ward AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF
www.drudgereport.com
Published: 9:28 p.m. Thursday, Sept. 8, 2011
David Avary and Ryan Smith said they drove all the way from Odessa to help, only to be sent home.
Don Perry came in from San Antonio, with the same result. Days later, he's still steaming.
The three firefighters were among dozens, perhaps hundreds, who answered the call for volunteers to help battle one of Texas' most destructive wildfires in decades — and went home empty-handed and, in many cases, unhappy.
In what may be the biggest public glitch so far in the extensive emergency effort, state and local officials Thursday detailed for the first time why they turned away the help as the fires raged.
"We may have had some of the world's finest firefighters showing up, but if they weren't properly qualified or trained and had no equipment, we had no choice," said Mike Fisher, Bastrop County's emergency management director.
"I hate to tell anybody, 'We don't need you,' but we absolutely didn't want to get anyone hurt."
At the same time, other local officials said many of the self-dispatched firefighters brought no equipment with them and had inadequate training to fight the wildfires. They asked not to be quoted because they were not authorized to speak to reporters.
Even so, some were reported to have tried to sign on with neighboring volunteer fire departments that sent firefighters to the scene, although that couldn't be confirmed Thursday because those departments were out fighting the fires.
By midweek, stories of the turn-aways were sweeping through the blogosphere, bringing criticism to Bastrop's firefighting effort.
"With wildland firefighting, we have to have folks trained, qualified and credentialed," Holly Huffman, a spokeswoman for the Texas Forest Service who is overseeing much of the firefighting coordination, told a television reporter.
"We've got folks that are self-dispatching and coming in and maybe aren't credentialed in wildland firefighting. That just adds to the risk of someone getting hurt, and that's the last thing that we want."
Once the fires broke out Sunday, local officials quickly sought state assistance to fight the quickly spreading flames. About the same time as Austin officials on Tuesday requested assistance from off-duty firefighters to help battle two Travis County blazes, a Facebook message called for firefighters to come to Bastrop.
The message quickly went viral.
Avary and Smith, both volunteer firefighters in Ector County, told NewsWest 9 in Midland/Odessa on Wednesday that they drove to Bastrop to answer the call but were sent home Tuesday. Perry told much the same story, standing Thursday outside the Bastrop Convention and Exhibit Center, where he was helping hand out supplies to evacuees.
"I called Bastrop, and they said they could use whatever assistance they could get, so I drove up, " said Perry, a retired firefighter. "I'm still ticked off about the way they handled it."
Unlike others, Perry said he brought his equipment and is qualified to fight fires like those in Bastrop, from his days as a military firefighter in Arizona.
But Fisher and other officials said trained firefighters were dispatched to battle the blazes as part of a closely coordinated, strategic campaign.
Firefighters were brought in from across Texas and the nation — some U.S. Forest Service teams came in from as far away as Northern California, officials said — and all were organized and sent to specific areas based on their training and equipment, Fisher said.
That coordinated response was handled through the Texas Intrastate Fire Mutual Aid System, Fisher said, a network that allows officials across the state to closely coordinate the assignment of manpower and equipment in large emergencies such as the wildfires.
By Wednesday, Texas Forest Service officials said, 19 strike teams were on duty across the state fighting fires.
"Fighting these fires is a very precise process," Fisher said. "And even though we appreciate people volunteering, sometimes we can't accommodate them."
mward@statesman.com