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Texas cut fire department spending by 75% this year
« on: September 06, 2011, 08:11:33 PM »
Under Gov. Rick Perry (R) this year, Texas slashed state funding for the volunteer fire departments that protect most of the state from wildfires like the ones that have recently destroyed more than 700 homes.


NOW - this either means 1 of 3 things...

1) The state has been grossly overspending by 300% on fire dept for the last 8 years - a sign that Perry has zero control over anything there.

2) The state is slashing a valuable public service

3) Rick Perry is slashing/burning as much budget as possible to try to have some decent numbers for a presidential run, at the cost of thousands of jobs of brave firefighters in his state?


I thought the dude had a majorly successful program for fixing the budget... his solution is to triple national debt and fire 3/4 of the nation's firefighters?  And cops?  teachers?




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Re: Texas cut fire department spending by 75% this year
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2011, 08:20:55 PM »
LOL damn bro you gotta pace yourself, you still have over a year to go

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Re: Texas cut fire department spending by 75% this year
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2011, 08:21:45 PM »
Under Gov. Rick Perry (R) this year, Texas slashed state funding for the volunteer fire departments that protect most of the state from wildfires like the ones that have recently destroyed more than 700 homes.


NOW - this either means 1 of 3 things...

1) The state has been grossly overspending by 300% on fire dept for the last 8 years - a sign that Perry has zero control over anything there.

2) The state is slashing a valuable public service

3) Rick Perry is slashing/burning as much budget as possible to try to have some decent numbers for a presidential run, at the cost of thousands of jobs of brave firefighters in his state?


I thought the dude had a majorly successful program for fixing the budget... his solution is to triple national debt and fire 3/4 of the nation's firefighters?  And cops?  teachers?





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Re: Texas cut fire department spending by 75% this year
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2011, 08:27:57 PM »
Oh lookie -
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/09/05/perry-to-skip-demint-forum/

Perry skipped the governor's debate when running for office in TX.

And he dodged the Demint Forum.

And his camp is leaking word that he might miss this reagan debate because of the fires?


WAIT - is he HIDING?  Was he really campaigning all week and weekend despite the fires - yet suddenly they limit him for a wednesday debate?

Yikes!!!

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Re: Texas cut fire department spending by 75% this year
« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2011, 08:38:49 PM »
He is definitely hiding, but then again you didnt have a problem at all when obama did it during the general.

In fact you praised him for a well calculated political move, what changed 240?

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Re: Texas cut fire department spending by 75% this year
« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2011, 08:42:37 PM »
He is definitely hiding, but then again you didnt have a problem at all when obama did it during the general.

In fact you praised him for a well calculated political move, what changed 240?
I swear, you pull the hypocrisy card out more than anyone I have ever seen.

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Re: Texas cut fire department spending by 75% this year
« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2011, 08:46:44 PM »
He is definitely hiding, but then again you didnt have a problem at all when obama did it during the general.

In fact you praised him for a well calculated political move, what changed 240?

if you have very poor debating skills, then yes, it's a very wise political move on his part.

Since I'm an American, and I do care about the best candidate winning the election against Obama - I'd like to see what Perry has to offer. 

I guess if he spends the week giving speeches and touring the states - then magically needs to " do his job" on debate day, we should all congrat him on his "courage"?

LMAO

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Re: Texas cut fire department spending by 75% this year
« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2011, 08:47:53 PM »
I swear, you pull the hypocrisy card out more than anyone I have ever seen.
LOL thats b/c ppl on this board 240 especially are extremely hypocritical...

wouldnt you agree huggy that 240 plays the devils advocate which leads him to be extremely hypocritical?

Ive always said, like me or hate me you know where I stand...I say what I mean and mean what I say.

I cant stand ppl that are openly hypocritical and dont even bat an eye at it ala 240

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Re: Texas cut fire department spending by 75% this year
« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2011, 08:48:01 PM »
He is definitely hiding, but then again you didnt have a problem at all when obama did it during the general.

Which debates did Obama "hide from"?

I thought he did at least 22 debates against hilary?  

Please make us a list of what debates obama "hid from".  Thanks man.

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Re: Texas cut fire department spending by 75% this year
« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2011, 08:49:35 PM »
if you have very poor debating skills, then yes, it's a very wise political move on his part.

Since I'm an American, and I do care about the best candidate winning the election against Obama - I'd like to see what Perry has to offer.  

I guess if he spends the week giving speeches and touring the states - then magically needs to " do his job" on debate day, we should all congrat him on his "courage"?

LMAO
LOL so now you think obama has poor debating skills? thats news to me.

Funny you didnt care about the best candidate last election ::)

perry doesnt have shit to offer, he is bush 3 right after the guy you deepthroat obama aka bush 2.


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Re: Texas cut fire department spending by 75% this year
« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2011, 08:50:40 PM »
Which debates did Obama "hide from"?

I thought he did at least 22 debates against hilary? 

Please make us a list of what debates obama "hid from".  Thanks man.
the ones where mccain was calling him out for more debates and he said he would only do the town hall ones...you seem to think that was a genius political move and didnt have a problem with it what so ever.

You didnt seem to want to know what he brought to the table but now its a major deal?

nice

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Re: Texas cut fire department spending by 75% this year
« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2011, 08:52:10 PM »
you said obama was hiding from debates.

he did all the scheduled ones.  mccain was losing bad - the loser would always love to 'schedule more' - hell, the one trailing by 10 points would debate every single day if they could, waiting for the other guy to fck up.

Which scheduled debates did Obama skip?

Perry skipped his own gov debate, the demint forum, and now *maybe* the reagan debate. 

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Re: Texas cut fire department spending by 75% this year
« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2011, 08:55:44 PM »
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/62780.html

Wow, he cut money last year which could be a great help right about now. 


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Re: Texas cut fire department spending by 75% this year
« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2011, 08:55:50 PM »
you said obama was hiding from debates.

he did all the scheduled ones.  mccain was losing bad - the loser would always love to 'schedule more' - hell, the one trailing by 10 points would debate every single day if they could, waiting for the other guy to fck up.

Which scheduled debates did Obama skip?

Perry skipped his own gov debate, the demint forum, and now *maybe* the reagan debate.  
LMFAO its the same shit dumb ass, why would he want to debate?

if he can not debate and he is ahead or at the top, wouldnt it by your measure of obamas actions be a good move?

why the double standard?

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Re: Texas cut fire department spending by 75% this year
« Reply #14 on: September 06, 2011, 08:57:08 PM »
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/62780.html

Wow, he cut money last year which could be a great help right about now. 
Im sure he was aware that we would be going through the worst drought in recent history when he made cuts. LOL ;)

I dont like perry bro and there are plenty of things to attack him on but please stop fucking reaching.

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Re: Texas cut fire department spending by 75% this year
« Reply #15 on: September 06, 2011, 09:01:48 PM »
LMFAO its the same shit dumb ass, why would he want to debate?

as a political fan, I admire it as a good move.

as an american, I see it as a pretty shitty thing to do, not giving GOP primary voters the chance to see what he really stands for.  his book showed a lot of things that he disagrees with - that was a year ago.  PLENTY of flip flopping there.  Lots of shady donor allegations.  As an american, i'd like to see if we're choosing a flipflopping crook.  Woudln't you?

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Re: Texas cut fire department spending by 75% this year
« Reply #16 on: September 06, 2011, 09:02:29 PM »
as a political fan, I admire it as a good move.

as an american, I see it as a pretty shitty thing to do, not giving GOP primary voters the chance to see what he really stands for.  his book showed a lot of things that he disagrees with - that was a year ago.  PLENTY of flip flopping there.  Lots of shady donor allegations.  As an american, i'd like to see if we're choosing a flipflopping crook.  Woudln't you?
Huh, wonder why you didnt express that view when obama did it?

things that make you go hmmmmm.....;)

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Re: Texas cut fire department spending by 75% this year
« Reply #17 on: September 07, 2011, 10:50:36 AM »
Contract Dispute Grounds Firefighting Planes (Sit idle in CA grounded by Obama Admin)
09/07/2011 | Audrey Hudson





Firefighting air tankers are siting idle at a California airport, grounded by the Obama administration

Nearly half of the federal government’s firefighting air tankers are siting idle at a California airport, grounded by the Obama administration in a contract dispute just weeks before wildfires swept through Texas killing a mother and her child, and destroying 100,000 acres.

The massive blazes forced Texas Gov. and Republican presidential hopeful Rick Perry to abruptly call off a campaign appearance in South Carolina earlier this week to respond to the crisis, and may force him to cancel his first debate appearance Wednesday night.

The U.S. Forest Service terminated the contract with Aero Union five weeks ago to operate seven P-3 Orions that are critical to the agency’s firefighting mission, leaving the federal government with 11 tankers under contract to help battle more than 50 large uncontained wildfires now burning nationwide.

That’s down from 40 tankers used by the Forest Service just a decade ago, according to Rep. Dan Lungren (R.-Calif.), chairman of the House Committee on Administration, who is challenging the decision to dismiss the largest provider of heavy air-tanker support to the federal government.

“We were certified to fly all season, but they just terminated us and threw 60 people out of work and left the country vulnerable to fires, as you can see right now in Texas,” said Britt Gourley, CEO for Aero Union.

“This is our 50th anniversary fighting fires for the Forest Service. It’s not quite the way we wanted to celebrate it,” Gourley said.

Gourley said the government did not provide details on why the contract was canceled, but that they did not agree with Aero Union’s 15-year maintenance plan.

“We wanted to sit down with them and ask why it was canceled and find a quick resolution, but they didn’t want to talk about it. They just said, ‘We don’t want the airplanes, have a nice life,’ ” Gourley said. “I had to let go of my staff–60 people and their families were devastated,” Gourley said. “It’s really been tragic.”

The Forest Service says it will not use aircraft that does not meet its requirements, and in this case that included the long-term airworthiness inspection program, although the company passed its annual inspection.

“Our main priority is protecting and saving lives, and we can’t in good conscience maintain an aviation contract where we feel lives may be put at risk due to inadequate safety practices,” said Tom Harbour, director of the Forest Services fire and aviation management program.

“This contract termination notwithstanding, we possess the aircraft support needed for this year’s fire season,” Harbour said.

In a letter to the administration questioning the canceled contracts that was obtained by HUMAN EVENTS, Lungren said the aircraft “are some of the best available for fighting fires in the United States.”

“The [Federal Aviation Administration] representative stated that the disrupted contract issues which led to the grounding of Aero Union’s entire fleet do not relate to the suitability of these aircraft to perform for the remainder of this fire season,” Lungren said in the Aug. 15 letter to Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack, whose agency oversees the Forest Service.

“I am deeply troubled by the Forest Service’s sudden action, particularly as California enters into the fire season. Our aerial firefighting fleet is already seriously undercapitalized,” Lungren said.

In addition to the 11 tankers in the fleet still operating, two air tankers are under contract to operate on-call, and up to eight military firefighting aircraft can be called to assist if needed.

Aero Union operated six Lockheed P-3 Orions, and was preparing to add a seventh to the fleet when the contract was canceled. The four-engine turboprops were originally used as anti-submarine and maritime surveillance aircraft that were built for the U.S. Navy.

Ultimately, those aircraft will be replaced with two-engine CV 580s from Canada, which Lungren said is “worrisome” because those aircraft will carry a smaller load of fuel-retardant and require more downtime.

Despite the contract cancellation, Gourley told HUMAN EVENTS he has reached out to his former employees and that they could have four planes up in 48 hours to fly to Texas’ rescue, and assist in other devastating fires burning in California.

“First and foremost, we are firefighters at Aero Union, and we do not want to sit idle while the people of Texas and California suffer,” Gourley said in a letter Tuesday to Harbour.

“We feel strongly that a contract disagreement unrelated to the safety of our fleet to fight fires should not stand in the way of our mission at a time when these aircraft are most needed. The tragic scenes in Texas and California make any contract issues appear very secondary,” Gourley said.

Perry toured the devastation near Austin on Tuesday and viewed some of the homes destroyed by the flames.

“These fires are serious and widespread, and as mean as I have ever seen, burning more than 1,000 homes since this wildfire season began,” Perry said.

“Texas appreciates the resources and support we continue to receive from across the state and across the country to fight these fires, and the efforts of the brave men and women who put themselves in harm's way to protect Texans' lives and property. Our thoughts and prayers are with those who are impacted by these fires,” Perry said.



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Re: Texas cut fire department spending by 75% this year
« Reply #18 on: September 07, 2011, 10:59:59 AM »
as a political fan, I admire it as a good move.

as an american, I see it as a pretty shitty thing to do, not giving GOP primary voters the chance to see what he really stands for.  his book showed a lot of things that he disagrees with - that was a year ago.  PLENTY of flip flopping there.  Lots of shady donor allegations.  As an american, i'd like to see if we're choosing a flipflopping crook.  Woudln't you?

My goodness. The more you try to make sense of your posts the more you come out looking like dog poop.

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Re: Texas cut fire department spending by 75% this year
« Reply #19 on: September 07, 2011, 12:03:39 PM »
240, who I'm sure is a nice guy...appears to me to be a bandwagon jumper. He has defended Obama up until about 6 months or so ago. You'd need to ask 333, Im sure he could find the exact post date that 240 jumped ship and became a libertarian.

As for the planes...more failure on the part of Barry the shitbag.
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Re: Texas cut fire department spending by 75% this year
« Reply #20 on: September 07, 2011, 12:08:25 PM »
240, who I'm sure is a nice guy...appears to me to be a bandwagon jumper. He has defended Obama up until about 6 months or so ago. You'd need to ask 333, Im sure he could find the exact post date that 240 jumped ship and became a libertarian.

As for the planes...more failure on the part of Barry the shitbag.

240 is no more libertarian than Obama is.   

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Re: Texas cut fire department spending by 75% this year
« Reply #21 on: September 07, 2011, 12:09:50 PM »
Oh I'm sure your right...its his attempt to jump on a new band wagon as the Obongo one is sinking.
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Re: Texas cut fire department spending by 75% this year
« Reply #22 on: September 07, 2011, 12:12:27 PM »
Oh I'm sure your right...its his attempt to jump on a new band wagon as the Obongo one is sinking.

He is the only guy I know who says he supports Ron Paul yet disagrees with about 75% of the things Ron Paul stands for. 

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Re: Texas cut fire department spending by 75% this year
« Reply #23 on: September 07, 2011, 12:32:51 PM »
Huh, wonder why you didnt express that view when obama did it?

things that make you go hmmmmm.....;)

i've said for years that obama is morally corrput but a very good politician.

He is the only guy I know who says he supports Ron Paul yet disagrees with about 75% of the things Ron Paul stands for. 

please list all of RPaul's postition, along with evidence I disagree with "75%" of them.  You said "ALL", then you said "85%" of them.  every time I ask for evidence, your number drops.  ???

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Re: Texas cut fire department spending by 75% this year
« Reply #24 on: September 07, 2011, 12:35:19 PM »
i've said for years that obama is morally corrput but a very good politician.

please list all of RPaul's postition, along with evidence I disagree with "75%" of them.  You said "ALL", then you said "85%" of them.  every time I ask for evidence, your number drops.  ???

Yeah, I'm sure you agree with RP on some minor issue that no one ever heard of, yet you disagree with his economic and foreign policy agenda.