what do you have to add to l-arginine to get it to work the best every ones says different things i take it with l-lysine is that good? and how much of each i got 900mg l-arginine from swanson cheap ? just let me know what is a good delivery system to add to it to work
All that and only $91 per bottle!!! ::)
Actually it doesn't. How am I "risking my health", by taking a non-jaguar brand arginine supplement????
Please tell me you're not resorting to scare tactics to sell your supps now? :-\
The only side effect that's worth a damn mentioning is free radical production - which DOESN'T happen unless you're pushing the 10+ grms a day limit. Not to mention most people here take more than adequate anti-oxidant supps.
Please post an independent peer reviewed study that shows arginine suppl. can result in low sperm count and infertility. Seriously, please do. I'm not entirely trying to discredit you, I'll look at anyone's evidence and make a decision for myself.
At this point you've posted a lot of theoretical crap and synergy brand-name dropping, and everything else I've read about free form arginine (ie: the Now brand/Vitamin Shoppe Brand, etc) shows that in its simplist form its just fine to use.
For those who don't know what a free radical is, it is a toxic molecule produced during metabolic activity that alters your DNA and your cell membrane. It also plays a major role in the rate at which your body ages.
Well if anything I guess that book you just wrote is at leat something to get along with my $91 arginine ;D
Free radicals are produced from birth, they're simply a by-poduct of almost every internal system a human has. Likewise the body has just as many defenses against them. For God's sake, every time you breath the process in which your body utilizes oxygen produces free radicals. This is a natural process - do not make a leap from this to implying a cause for cancer.
Well while your "researching" your studies, feel free to take a look at these fee form arginine studies--
FYI, One take- away (among others) from these - "Subsequent studies have shown that L-arginine improves sperm count and motility. A recent small study credited L-arginine with producing pregnancies, but larger clinical trials are needed to confirm the efficacy seen in the early work. "
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L-arginine DOES infact increase fertility and sperm motility, ...however, it ALSO can cause lower sperm counts and infertility depending on the metabolic pathway it uses. As has been stated numerous times, l-arginine is a double edged sword that can be extremely beneficial in the body or extremely destructive in the body.
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HEY GUYS, I just saw this thread. Mind if I cut in? :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
What metabolic pathway? The process in which the body uses the supplement is essentially the same every time. The metabolic pathway in which Arginine is broken down directly resulted in increase fertility and sperm motility, as demonstrated by this study. If you seem to think otherwise please show me an independent peer reviewed study that demonstrates this.
That's great, the only reference in there is to "L-arginine":
(from the article) "Dr. Pauling recommended a protocol of antioxidants, vitamin C, and amino acids (using L-arginine as the main amino acid)"
She used an amino acid combination. Period. Either your marketing people need to re-write that for product placement or the woman in the article was given free-form arginine, the same form used in the studies I cited above. I see no reference to super-duper glycocide arginine in the article at all. Furthermore - you even said so yourself - she developed this organic process after dealing with her recovery. Wonderful, if Arginine even played a part in her recovery, it was the free-form kind she was given in the hospital, not the Pro-Argi you're trying to sell.
Flatery gets you no where. I respect the fact you're trying to take the time to validate your claims, but so far you haven't offered anything specific to support your product. Show me a study that demonstrates the superiority of using glycosides as a "carrier molecule" specific to arginine vs. regular free form L-arginine. :-*
HEY GUYS, I just saw this thread. Mind if I cut in? :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
what exactly does this stuff do for you guys...?
But of course, there's plenty of Jaguar pwning to go around. :D
JamieX - the verdict's still out for me, but my purpose here is just to show people you don't have to spend @ssloads of $$$ on fancy NO/arginine supps, the regular stuff works just fine. I've been on it for @ 2 weeks now. So far I notice slightly more strength when taken with creatine, than taking creatine on its own in previous trials (ie, compared to the first two weeks of a creatine-only phase).
If you truly desire to have an intelligent & civil discussion, you might want to rethink that last statement.
but instead of spending the time to write pages after page in response, find me a reference. All I need is at least one single study showing me that this organic carrier is superior. I understand you're analogy just fine. It makes sense, but not is there's no scientific basis. If you can support it, I'll look into running a month or 2 of Pro-Argi, if I can get a break on it. Hell I'll promote just as much as you! I'm not anti-jaguar supps at all, but there's way to much BS/overhyping in this industry, and between you and me your long-winded stories aren't selling anyone here. I've heard the history, I've read the articles, now its time to show me the cold hard facts. Either there's something out there to support all these claims or there isn't.
easy there, I was humoring Havenbull, I've seen his Jaguar MO. ;D
Other than that, honestly Judi, I appreciate your responses, but condense, my God woman condense!! :D
I'll pick through this later, but instead of spending the time to write pages after page in response, find me a reference. All I need is at least one single study showing me that this organic carrier is superior. I understand you're analogy just fine. It makes sense, but not is there's no scientific basis. If you can support it, I'll look into running a month or 2 of Pro-Argi, if I can get a break on it. Hell I'll promote just as much as you! I'm not anti-jaguar supps at all, but there's way to much BS/overhyping in this industry, and between you and me your long-winded stories aren't selling anyone here. I've heard the history, I've read the articles, now its time to show me the cold hard facts. Either there's something out there to support all these claims or there isn't.
This is why I turn down offers to do the whole Advocare/Amway/etc.. thing. People get so wrapped up in the flowery explainations for why their products are so much better than anything on the market with absolutely no reason to other than that's what they were brainwashed with by whoever signed them up for the "program"... Prove me wrong.
I would assume someone with half a brain knows that independent means...independent, ie: found on pub-med, JAMA, etc. I'm giving Jaguar the benefit of the doubt, I'm sure if there's something valid out there she has access to it....
ProArgi 9 will now have to bow to my latest products I'm carrying.... details on my site ;D
Hi I stumbled across this post. I'm very familiar with the work of this researcher. What Jaguar is saying is completely accurate. You want a double blind study to demonstrate what he is saying is correct then read January 4th, 2006 edition of JAMA.
In fact both Bloomberg picked up on the story as well as the Wallstreet Journal and guess who they interviewed?
Dr. Ann Dewees Allen, Here is a copy of the Wall Street Journal story along with Research substantiating her claims.
You will likely see every arginine product on the market pulled from the shelves within the next year! Except the one Jag is talking about because it's the only product that has demonstrated safe long term use in humans.
I don't sell the stuff but I can tell that Jag has a real cause here.
Go to http://http://www.arginineanswers.com/MedicalNews.htm
Lord who has time to read this womans posts
Hi I stumbled across this post. I'm very familiar with the work of this researcher. What Jaguar is saying is completely accurate. You want a double blind study to demonstrate what he is saying is correct then read January 4th, 2006 edition of JAMA.
In fact both Bloomberg picked up on the story as well as the Wallstreet Journal and guess who they interviewed?
Dr. Ann Dewees Allen, Here is a copy of the Wall Street Journal story along with Research substantiating her claims.
You will likely see every arginine product on the market pulled from the shelves within the next year! Except the one Jag is talking about because it's the only product that has demonstrated safe long term use in humans.
I don't sell the stuff but I can tell that Jag has a real cause here.
Hi I stumbled across this post. I'm very familiar with the work of this researcher. What Jaguar is saying is completely accurate. You want a double blind study to demonstrate what he is saying is correct then read January 4th, 2006 edition of JAMA.
In fact both Bloomberg picked up on the story as well as the Wallstreet Journal and guess who they interviewed?
Dr. Ann Dewees Allen, Here is a copy of the Wall Street Journal story along with Research substantiating her claims.
You will likely see every arginine product on the market pulled from the shelves within the next year! Except the one Jag is talking about because it's the only product that has demonstrated safe long term use in humans.
I don't sell the stuff but I can tell that Jag has a real cause here.
Looks like Showcase kid had the scoop.
On May 16, 2006 Health Canada issued a "stop sale" and "recall" on all arginine.
You can no longer find it on the shelves in health food stores anymore. ;D
ProArgi-9 is available by visiting http://www.jaguar.mysynergy.net (http://www.jaguar.mysynergy.net) <--clickable (I recommend the Pina-Colada flavour)
Hope That Helps,
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