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WASHINGTON — A new CNN national poll of Americans finds results that are almost identical to a Gallup survey earlier this year, and it shows 62% of Americans want all or most abortions made illegal.
CNN asked the question, “Do you think abortion should be legal under any circumstances, legal under only certain circumstances, or illegal in all circumstances?” The survey found 25 percent of Americans want all abortions legal while 21 percent want all abortions illegal, and it had a large group of 53 percent of Americans saying abortions should be legal only under certain circumstances.
However, with a large percentage of Americans opposing abortions except in cases such as taking of the life of the mother, or cases of rape or incest — both of which, combined, constitute less than two percent of all abortions in the nation, according to the Guttmacher Institute — most Americans truly want 100% of 98 percent of the 1.2 million abortions a year made illegal.
A follow-up question CNN asked showed that to be the case.
When asked, “Do you think abortion should be legal under any circumstances, legal under only certain circumstances, legal in a few circumstances or illegal in all circumstances? ” CNN found the same 25 percent and 21 percent want either all abortions legal or all illegal. But, breaking down that 53 percent group further, CNN shows just 12 percent want abortions legal in most circumstances while 41 percent want most abortions to be made illegal.
In total, 62 percent of Americans want all or most abortions to be prohibited while only 37 percent of Americans want all or most abortions kept legal — the position of President Barack Obama and Planned Parenthood, the nation’s biggest abortion business.
http://www.lifenews.com/2011/09/15/cnn-poll-62-want-all-or-most-abortions-made-illegal/
Cue the regressives to claim that Americans don't know what's good for them.
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60% or more americans wanted to pull out of iraq.
I'm sure at one point,, 51% (seeing that the north was more densely populated) supported slavery.
Should we do whatever the majority wants, every time?
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60% or more americans wanted to pull out of iraq.
I'm sure at one point,, 51% (seeing that the north was more densely populated) supported slavery.
Should we do whatever the majority wants, every time?
What an awful, awful straw man.
Neither of those points have anything to do with the issue of abortion.
Should we do what the minority wants every time? ::)
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like ive said its only a matter of time before the liberals lose this battle.
If the were able to admit that the rights of the parents are uneven and give males the right to walk away same as women I think the number would decline slightly.
But its still only a matter of time before its outlawed.
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This has been a pretty consistent public opinion. Will be interesting to see how the "personhood" amendment turns out in Mississippi. http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=394884.0
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Should we do what the minority wants every time? ::)
No. we shouldn't do what the majority wants every time - particularly when shit swings from "70% support the war" to "70% want us to leave the war immediately".
We should do what the wiser people running the country (no, not pelosi and cantor) deem best for long-term US viability. Yes, abortion sucks from a moral sense, most agree there. But from a financial sense, it makes sense. It makes sense when a 10 year olf girl gets raped by her father. It doesn't make sense when 30 year old idiots use it as birth control cause they don't like using rubbers.
there are no absolute answers. You, me, dems, repubs - NONE of us has a perfect answer for abortion issue. And using some poll to "prove a point" about it is silly.
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This has been a pretty consistent public opinion.
No, it hasn't. For you it's been consistent since your 92 vote for Clinton. For the rest of america, it was only 2 years ago that the "pro Life" belief finally took over. Geez it's like you're giving the wrong answer on purpose here to get held back another year ???
http://www.gallup.com/poll/118399/more-americans-pro-life-than-pro-choice-first-time.aspx
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like ive said its only a matter of time before the liberals lose this battle.
If the were able to admit that the rights of the parents are uneven and give males the right to walk away same as women I think the number would decline slightly.
But its still only a matter of time before its outlawed.
I don't think this will ever be a settled issue, unless there is a "human life" or "personhood" amendment to the U.S. Constitution.
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It's only been the last 2 years that the majority of Americans have been pro-life.
Even if some getbiggers disagree.
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damn shit got quiet in here
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No, it hasn't. For you it's been consistent since your 92 vote for Clinton. For the rest of america, it was only 2 years ago that the "pro Life" belief finally took over. Geez it's like you're giving the wrong answer on purpose here to get held back another year ???
http://www.gallup.com/poll/118399/more-americans-pro-life-than-pro-choice-first-time.aspx
Yes, I voted for Bill Clinton. Twice. And you voted for George Bush Sr.
I'm a republican - or a "moderate" republican if you must divide them into moderates and neoconservatives.
I stand for strong defense, but not at the expense of our budgetary future or
i stand for personal liberties and minimal govt involvement.
I stand for soft isolationism - you export when needed but you tariff them too.
I am tough on crime, I don't support welfare growth, and I think people should be held accountable for actions.
I've voted for Bush, Dole, Bush, Bush in my life, even when guys like Beach Bum and Mr I were admittedly voting for Bill Clinton.
I am a *real* republican, not one of these soft-ass newbies who see Bush as the daddy to keep them safe becuase they decided they didn't like clinton anymore once FOX news turned on him in 98.
Or did you?
I was too young to vote for Bush Sr, I was only in high school. But I certainly did support him.
Being a 2-time liberal voter like you are, your opinion on republican standpoints is very skewed. You support neocon agenda now - you don't really understand Reagan conservatism.
You're a lib in wolf's clothing, BB.
Tsk, tsk. Repeated violations of Skip's Rule No. 1:
1. Make Shit Up
Don't know what the fuck you're talking about? Can't quite keep up with the conversation? Or maybe you're just completely lost but want to contribute to the board anyway?
Don't worry, just make some shit up.
It really looks impressive if you throw out some statistics too. Do you know what the Vice President of Engineering for Cisco makes each year and pays in taxes? Nope. But it doesn't matter. Just claim all rich people only pay 8% in taxes and that everybody else is getting screwed over. It always looks good when you make shit up while portraying yourself as the underdog.
Do you really know how many people actually need food? Have you been actively keeping up with abortion statistics in the United States? Do you really follow oil futures? Who cares? Just make a claim and use a high enough percentage to be plausible, but low enough that nobody will probably question. 9 times out of 10, nobody's going to bother checking your bullshit. If they do, just move to Rules #2-4.
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damn shit got quiet in here
Says the lying liar. lol :)
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WASHINGTON — A new CNN national poll of Americans finds results that are almost identical to a Gallup survey earlier this year, and it shows 62% of Americans want all or most abortions made illegal.
CNN asked the question, “Do you think abortion should be legal under any circumstances, legal under only certain circumstances, or illegal in all circumstances?” The survey found 25 percent of Americans want all abortions legal while 21 percent want all abortions illegal, and it had a large group of 53 percent of Americans saying abortions should be legal only under certain circumstances.
However, with a large percentage of Americans opposing abortions except in cases such as taking of the life of the mother, or cases of rape or incest — both of which, combined, constitute less than two percent of all abortions in the nation, according to the Guttmacher Institute — most Americans truly want 100% of 98 percent of the 1.2 million abortions a year made illegal.
A follow-up question CNN asked showed that to be the case.
When asked, “Do you think abortion should be legal under any circumstances, legal under only certain circumstances, legal in a few circumstances or illegal in all circumstances? ” CNN found the same 25 percent and 21 percent want either all abortions legal or all illegal. But, breaking down that 53 percent group further, CNN shows just 12 percent want abortions legal in most circumstances while 41 percent want most abortions to be made illegal.
In total, 62 percent of Americans want all or most abortions to be prohibited while only 37 percent of Americans want all or most abortions kept legal — the position of President Barack Obama and Planned Parenthood, the nation’s biggest abortion business.
http://www.lifenews.com/2011/09/15/cnn-poll-62-want-all-or-most-abortions-made-illegal/
Cue the regressives to claim that Americans don't know what's good for them.
The ones who support banning abortion should pay higher taxes in order to support the Welfare Children that would be created.
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The ones who support banning abortion should pay higher taxes in order to support the Welfare Children that would be created.
those that do probably already do pay more taxes than the ppl creating the welfare babies...
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LOL!! BB does his research on 240's voting pattern, but forgets to answer this point ;)
This has been a pretty consistent public opinion.
No, it hasn't. For you it's been consistent since your 92 vote for Clinton. For the rest of america, it was only 2 years ago that the "pro Life" belief finally took over. Geez it's like you're giving the wrong answer on purpose here to get held back another year ???
http://www.gallup.com/poll/118399/more-americans-pro-life-than-pro-choice-first-time.aspx
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I don't think this will ever be a settled issue, unless there is a "human life" or "personhood" amendment to the U.S. Constitution.
Probably right, people seem to be pretty staunch in whichever side they support.
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LOL!! BB does his research on 240's voting pattern, but forgets to answer this point ;)
No, it hasn't. For you it's been consistent since your 92 vote for Clinton. For the rest of america, it was only 2 years ago that the "pro Life" belief finally took over. Geez it's like you're giving the wrong answer on purpose here to get held back another year ???
http://www.gallup.com/poll/118399/more-americans-pro-life-than-pro-choice-first-time.aspx
"I swear, I am telling the Truth!!!"
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Probably right, people seem to be pretty staunch in whichever side they support.
That's why I don't think it will ever be a settled issue without an amendment. And even then it would be contentious.
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No. we shouldn't do what the majority wants every time - particularly when shit swings from "70% support the war" to "70% want us to leave the war immediately".
We should do what the wiser people running the country (no, not pelosi and cantor) deem best for long-term US viability. Yes, abortion sucks from a moral sense, most agree there. But from a financial sense, it makes sense. It makes sense when a 10 year olf girl gets raped by her father. It doesn't make sense when 30 year old idiots use it as birth control cause they don't like using rubbers.
there are no absolute answers. You, me, dems, repubs - NONE of us has a perfect answer for abortion issue. And using some poll to "prove a point" about it is silly.
It's amazing how fucking hypocritical you are. You're the same scumbag that trots out a poll anytime you feel like proving a point yet you also throw a temper tantrum anytime someone else does. You're a broken record and it's fucking old.
And for the record, I've supported abortion longer than I can remember. But there's no denying this country's ideological shift away from it.
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Beach bum,
Americans have been pro choice for decades.
It's only since 2009 that the pro-life view has taken foothold.
I hope the heps. [sic]
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It's amazing how fucking hypocritical you are. You're the same scumbag that trots out a poll anytime you feel like proving a point yet you also throw a temper tantrum anytime someone else does. You're a broken record and it's fucking old.
And for the record, I've supported abortion longer than I can remember. But there's no denying this country's ideological shift away from it.
i'm wrong a lot, but i admit it. BB has been on my shit for years. so when he plain makes up something so obviously false because a bible told him so, then attacks me for it....
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I have actually recently changed my mind to a certain extent on abortion.
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I have actually recently changed my mind to a certain extent on abortion.
Thats because you are a Paultard. You will probably start believing in Jesus soon.
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Thats because you are a Paultard. You will probably start believing in Jesus soon.
No, nothing to do with that; the law is illogical.
If you kill a pregnant woman in a car accident you will be charged will double homicide in some states but when a woman chooses to do so there is no crime. This is a philosophical inconsistency that cannot be supported for reasons of logic. If however, the laws regarding double homicide were repealed it would be more consistent and no I am not going to believe in Jesus ever.
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No, nothing to do with that; the law is illogical.
If you kill a pregnant woman in a car accident you will be charged will double homicide in some states but when a woman chooses to do so there is no crime. This is a philosophical inconsistency that cannot be supported for reasons of logic. If however, the laws regarding double homicide were repealed it would be more consistent and no I am not going to believe in Jesus ever.
Uh,
Abortion is a choice made by the mother whereas getting in a car accident and dying is not a Choice made by the mother. Also, they would be charged with Vehicular Manslaughter which does not carry too stiff a penalty in most states.
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No, nothing to do with that; the law is illogical.
If you kill a pregnant woman in a car accident you will be charged will double homicide in some states but when a woman chooses to do so there is no crime. This is a philosophical inconsistency that cannot be supported for reasons of logic. If however, the laws regarding double homicide were repealed it would be more consistent and no I am not going to believe in Jesus ever.
think about the inconsistencies in parental rights and the false logic it uses...that will give you even more foder for the fire
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Uh,
Abortion is a choice made by the mother whereas getting in a car accident and dying is not a Choice made by the mother. Also, they would be charged with Vehicular Manslaughter which does not carry too stiff a penalty in most states.
doesnt matter ass hat, both end up taking the life of an unborn child...so what if one was murdered by the mother and the other a drunk driver?
they are both murdered
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so what changed in the last 2 years that made the long-standing public support of abortion change?
tea party took over economic end of govt... they brought their morals with them? And why was bush unable to get majority of americans on his side of that? It was not until 2009 that americans finally moved to majority being pro-life
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doesnt matter ass hat, both end up taking the life of an unborn child...so what if one was murdered by the mother and the other a drunk driver?
they are both murdered
I ate the life of an unborn chicken this morning.
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;D
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think about the inconsistencies in parental rights and the false logic it uses...that will give you even more foder for the fire
This about the general misandry that is rampant in our society Tony.
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I ate the life of an unborn chicken this morning.
Just in case you were not trying to be sarcastic:
So human life has the same worth as a chicken or any other animal.
See how stupid an atheist can be?
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Just in case you were not trying to be sarcastic:
So human life has the same worth as a chicken or any other animal.
See how stupid an atheist can be?
What makes humans so special?
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If we had direct federal democracy this might be an issue. As it is we don't and it isn't. This will not be overturned and will never be overturned. Abortion is legal and will be legal until we are all long gone and in the grave.
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The people over at "lifenews.com" have an interesting way of doing math
Here is the actual poll results from CNN
25% want it legal under any circumstances
53% want it legal under certain circumstances
so a whopping 78% want it legal under any/certain circumstances
As we all know abortion is not currently legal under ANY circumstance
Abortion is currently legal in the US under certain circumstances with the primary "circumstance" being prior to 24 weeks
Note the %'s on the CNN poll have not really changed that much since 2006 (the farthest back that they show date on this poll)
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it's only recent that people moved to being pro-choice as the majority. In 2009.
Sometimes it takes years for legislation to catch up with public opinion.
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it's only recent that people moved to being pro-choice as the majority. In 2009.
Sometimes it takes years for legislation to catch up with public opinion.
Are you with RP on this?
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Are you with RP on this?
whats rp position specifically?
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whats rp position specifically?
Pro Life
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Ron Paul on abortion:
The heated debate about abortion is filled with emotional pseudo-arguments that usually center on secondary considerations such as sexual morality, religious beliefs, women’s rights, or purely on pragmatic reasons: if abortion were made illegal it would still take place – under unsanitary conditions that would endanger additional lives.
However, a rational evaluation of abortion must be built upon one single question: When exactly does human life begin? At conception, at birth or somewhere in between?
Not even the most radical feminist would find it okay to tear apart a recently-born baby just because it is not wanted by its mother. All other considerations aside, the only reason many individuals can support abortion with a good conscience is because they believe it’s not murder… and that unborn babies do not count as human beings.
Ron Paul has delivered more than 4,000 babies. He believes that human life starts at conception, and that casual elimination of the unborn leads to a careless attitude towards all life.
Recalling his personal observation of a late-term abortion performed by one of his instructors during his medical residency, Ron Paul stated, “It was pretty dramatic for me to see a two-and-a-half-pound baby taken out crying and breathing and put in a bucket.”
In an Oct. 27, 1999 speech to Congress, Ron Paul said:
“I am strongly pro-life. I think one of the most disastrous rulings of this century was Roe versus Wade. I do believe in the slippery slope theory. I believe that if people are careless and casual about life at the beginning of life, we will be careless and casual about life at the end. Abortion leads to euthanasia. I believe that.”
During a May 15, 2007, appearance on the Fox News talk show Hannity and Colmes, Ron Paul argued that his pro-life position was consistent with his libertarian values, asking, “If you can’t protect life then how can you protect liberty?” Additionally, Ron Paul said that since he believes libertarians support non-aggression, libertarians should oppose abortion because abortion is “an act of aggression” against a fetus.
At the GOP Values Voter Presidential Debate on Sep 17, 2007, Ron Paul was asked what he will do to restore legal protection to the unborn:
“As an O.B. doctor of thirty years, and having delivered 4,000 babies, I can assure you life begins at conception. I am legally responsible for the unborn, no matter what I do, so there’s a legal life there. The unborn has inheritance rights, and if there’s an injury or a killing, there is a legal entity. There is no doubt about it.”
At the GOP YouTube debate in St. Petersburg, Florida, on Nov 28, 2007, Ron Paul was asked what a women would be charged with if abortion becomes illegal and she obtains an abortion anyway:
“The first thing we have to do is get the federal government out of it. We don’t need a federal abortion police. That’s the last thing that we need. There has to be a criminal penalty for the person that’s committing that crime. And I think that is the abortionist. As for the punishment, I don’t think that should be up to the president to decide.”
For many years, Ron Paul has been speaking up for babies’ rights. He passionately defends those who cannot speak for themselves because they haven’t been born yet.
In order to “offset the effects of Roe v. Wade”, Paul voted in favor of the federal Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003. He has described partial birth abortion as a “barbaric procedure”.
At the same time, Ron Paul believes that the ninth and tenth amendments to the U.S. Constitution do not grant the federal government any authority to legalize or ban abortion. Instead, it is up to the individual states to prohibit abortion.
Many people feel very strongly about the issue of abortion, and once they make up their minds they rarely change their opinion. If you are undecided and/or open-minded, check out this page and this site for more information about abortion, including images and a description of medical procedures.
http://www.ronpaul.com/on-the-issues/abortion/
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Pro Life
More like Pro-Poop.
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Are you with RP on this?
I'm against abortion - however I feel there is no way that human can 100% define the correct answer here.
If a 10 year old girl is raped by her dad - is abortion cool then? What about a 30 year old girl raped by a stranger? If one is okay and one is wrong - then let's see what the exact line, age, relationship is.
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I'm against abortion - however I feel there is no way that human can 100% define the correct answer here.
If a 10 year old girl is raped by her dad - is abortion cool then? What about a 30 year old girl raped by a stranger? If one is okay and one is wrong - then let's see what the exact line, age, relationship is.
So you keep talking about welfare babies right? If the mom is too poor to afford condoms, what's the likelyhood she can scrape together 600 for an abortion? Are there stats on who is getting these abortions? I'd venture a guess the people getting the abortions are people that would more than likely be able to raise the kid.
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So you keep talking about welfare babies right? If the mom is too poor to afford condoms, what's the likelyhood she can scrape together 600 for an abortion? Are there stats on who is getting these abortions? I'd venture a guess the people getting the abortions are people that would more than likely be able to raise the kid.
I agree. That's partly why the argument that fewer abortions will result in more poor or abandoned kids doesn't make sense.
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So you keep talking about welfare babies right? If the mom is too poor to afford condoms, what's the likelyhood she can scrape together 600 for an abortion? Are there stats on who is getting these abortions? I'd venture a guess the people getting the abortions are people that would more than likely be able to raise the kid.
I'll read this thread later (in case my post here seems out of place or incoherent)
but yea there are stats on who is getting abortions. There was a guy at....I want to say University of Chicago named.....David...someth ing I think, who argues that the reason violent crime rates were low in the early 1990s was because of the increase in abortions in the mid to late 1970s (most violent crime are committed by lower income males between the ages of 15-25, etc)
I don't really feel like spending 20 minutes googling to get the guy's name or the study, but it's in a public policy book I have, so if anybody really cares enough I'll find the book to get the specific info.
EDIT: It was actually easier to find than I thought. It was published in 2001 by Steven Levitt of University of Chicago and John Donohue of Yale
http://pricetheory.uchicago.edu/levitt/Papers/DonohueLevittTheImpactOfLegalized2001.pdf
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doesnt matter ass hat, both end up taking the life of an unborn child...so what if one was murdered by the mother and the other a drunk driver?
they are both murdered
Two faults of your post.
1. Assumption of personhood (you're a grad student in psychology, I shouldn't have to point out this one)
2. Assumption of never being okay to murder a person (even if personhood is admitted) A possible objection here would be > what about self-defense? (the just killing of a person)
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I'll read this thread later (in case my post here seems out of place or incoherent)
but yea there are stats on who is getting abortions. There was a guy at....I want to say University of Chicago named.....David...someth ing I think, who argues that the reason violent crime rates were low in the early 1990s was because of the increase in abortions in the mid to late 1970s (most violent crime are committed by lower income males between the ages of 15-25, etc)
I don't really feel like spending 20 minutes googling to get the guy's name or the study, but it's in a public policy book I have, so if anybody really cares enough I'll find the book to get the specific info.
EDIT: It was actually easier to find than I thought. It was published in 2001 by Steven Levitt of University of Chicago and John Donohue of Yale
http://pricetheory.uchicago.edu/levitt/Papers/DonohueLevittTheImpactOfLegalized2001.pdf
We went over that in my class as well and I think that study has been pretty well put to rest. At least in regard to the correlation!=causation.
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I promise you that the United States and the rest of the World does not need any more humans, rich or poor.