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You saw him up close better than Levrones best? Top 5 best of all time? Top 10?
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You saw him up close better than Levrones best? Top 5 best of all time? Top 10?
Top 5 of all time without question...
hard to compare with Levrone, as they are from 2 different eras...never thought it was fair to compare.
hard to find a weakness on Phil...
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Top 5 of all time without question...
hard to compare with Levrone, as they are from 2 different eras...never thought it was fair to compare.
hard to find a weakness on Phil...
Let me ask this, whose physiques and what year do you believe were better than what we saw this past weekend
Obvioulsly various versions of Ronnie, 98 and 03. Who else?
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Top 5 of all time without question...
I agree.
Flex wheeler
Phil Heath
Shawn ray
Lee Haney
Serge nubret
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Bob, is there any post-show commentary from you on the web?
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arnold disagrees
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Im asking chick...Bobert please, your answer sir.
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Top 5
Arnold
Ronnie
Dorian
Kevin
Flex
and nasser tied with shawn
But then again what the fuck do i know :-\
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Im asking chick...Bobert please, your answer sir.
;D
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Top 5 of all time without question...
hard to compare with Levrone, as they are from 2 different eras...never thought it was fair to compare.
hard to find a weakness on Phil...
Exactly Phil is for all intents and purposes without weaknesses
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;D
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I love Lenda Murray, so hot,so sweet, so classy. Ever since i was a little punk looking through mags I liked her...Her husband is a cool bro, former Military, spoke with him on a couple occasions.
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Exactly Phil is for all intents and purposes without weaknesses
But
.He doesn't look powerful.
.He doesn't have foundation.
.He doesn't look big in clothes.
.He's narrow
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But
.He doesn't look powerful.
.He doesn't have foundation.
.He doesn't look big in clothes.
.He's narrow
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Lol...Bobert please your opinion is highly valued and I need it to prove my points, or would you rather not go on record because feelings might be hurt?
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But
.He doesn't look powerful.
.He doesn't have foundation.
.He doesn't look big in clothes.
.He's narrow
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The only part of the criteria is clavicle width , the rest is personal preference.
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this is insanity putting phil in the top 5 ever after one O. fuck, what if jay comes back and beats him like dex or kai dials in and jack him like at the arnold? that pretty much makes him a 5'9" dex.
this phil stuff is getting out of hand. damn good bber for his GENERATION with no one other than jay standing in his way for an O.
they knew this guy was mr o from day one. can you say the same about ronnie, jay, haney, yates etc?
not because he's that good, because he has dog shit around him.
kai ::)
victor ::)
evan ::)
dex ::)
jay - aging
wolfe ::)
i wouldn't put any of them other than jay in the top 20 all-time.
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Back in the gym.... looks a tad smaller then on stage
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this is insanity putting phil in the top 5 ever after one O. fuck, what if jay comes back and beats him like dex or kai dials in and jack him like at the arnold? that pretty much makes him a 5'9" dex.
this phil stuff is getting out of hand. damn good bber for his GENERATION with no one other than jay standing in his way for an O.
they knew this guy was mr o from day one. can you say the same about ronnie, jay, haney, etc?
not because he's that good, because he has dog shit around him.
kai ::)
victor ::)
evan ::)
dex ::)
jay - aging
wolfe ::)
i wouldn't put any of them other than jay in the top 20 all-time.
Like I said even from Bobert who knows his shit to the nth degree...Im not saying Phil is Ronnie, but what he brought on Saturday only Ronnie and few others could beat or match.
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Back in the gym.... looks a tad smaller then on stage
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the O is all about light and illusion. fucking black david copperfield.
the medal is almost as wide as him.
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Top 5 of all time?What a crock of shit that is. Chick once again is being used as a propaganda tool of the Weiders. The Olympia is and always has been a Weider scam. Gh15 already told it like it is about Heath. Top 5 my ass.
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Top 5 of all time?What a crock of shit that is. Chick once again is being used as a propaganda tool of the Weiders. The Olympia is and always has been a Weider scam. Gh15 already told it like it is about Heath. Top 5 my ass.
Lmao oh brother...wow listen to yourself
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And you Wiggs...all year it's been Kai this and Kai that, now you're swinging on Heath's dick.
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Phil lost to the 2010 version of Cutler, who was no where near a top 5 all-time physique. Now Phil comes in slightly improved and suddenly he's top 5 all-time? I still think he's too structurally limited to be ranked that high.
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Like I said even from Bobert who knows his shit to the nth degree...Im not saying Phil is Ronnie, but what he brought on Saturday only Ronnie and few others could beat or match.
there isn't a doubt he beat an aging and injured jay, but who the fuck else was on the stage? your boy, kai, can't slide away from the table since he has been making money.
that being said, ronnie or yates would devastate that runt.
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And you Wiggs...all year it's been Kai this and Kai that, now you're swinging on Heath's dick.
do you see what's going on with him? wtf!
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And you Wiggs...all year it's been Kai this and Kai that, now you're swinging on Heath's dick.
Do you read anything I type? Im still team Kai, Heath just looked awesome, never expected that, im recognizing his greatness. You sound like a lunatic trying to fit square blocks in round pegs...conspiracy? Lol...there is some serious hate for Phil who barely has on flaw left onstage.
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there isn't a doubt he beat an aging and injured jay, but who the fuck else was on the stage? your boy, kai, can't slide away from the table since he has been making money.
that being said, ronnie or yates would devastate that runt.
No one is arguing that Ronnie or Yates wouldnt...for now.
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Chick, any ideas to the speculations about Cutler's left bicep?.....Getbig would like to know what you think about it?.......cutler said otherwise to the speculations........
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What are we only allowed to like one guy now? Go back and read what i said about him last year....I said he should have won...look it up
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But
.He doesn't look powerful.
.He doesn't have foundation.
.He doesn't look big in clothes.
.He's narrow
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If it were about size, power or foundation Ruhl would of won a long time ago, it ain't about neither.
It's about the total physique, and the guy is pretty much flawless. Sure he is narrow, but his hip to waist ratio is solid which is all that matters, Gutler on the otherhand shouldn't of won a natty show with those hips.
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Do you read anything I type? Im still team Kai, Heath just looked awesome, never expected that, im recognizing his greatness. You sound like a lunatic trying to fit square blocks in round pegs...conspiracy? Lol...there is some serious hate for Phil who barely has on flaw left onstage.
you're AWOL but show up when someone starts a pre-O kai thread.
you're over at flamengo when kai shows up with charles and his bitches.
you're meet with kai and oscar.
you convince everyone kai was a better bber than phil after 2 arnolds, even said phil needed to win an arnold first to be compared to kai.
fucking phil beat an injured jay like jay did to ronnie in 2006.
he's not that great. he had a dexter type O.
and if the judges don't BS, it's possible kai will smack him in 2012 or jay possibly, but i doubt.
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you're AWOL but show up when someone starts a pre-O kai thread.
you're over at flamengo when kai shows up with charles and his bitches.
you're meet with kai and oscar.
you convince everyone kai was a better bber than phil after 2 arnolds, even said phil needed to win an arnold first to be compared to kai.
fucking phil beat an injured jay like jay did to ronnie in 2006.
he's not that great. he had a dexter type O.
and if the judges don't BS, it's possible kai will smack him in 2012 or jay possibly, but i doubt.
I need to see 100% kai and hes not bringing his best to the Os...Right now, Phil is better than Kai and many others past and all present
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I need to see 100% kai and hes not bringing his best to the Os...Right now, Phil is better than Kai and many others past and all present
you posting your love for phil is like gangstalean posting photos of flat ass white women. don't know if you are high or lost your mind behind that keyboard. it just aint right.
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you posting your love for phil is like gangstalean posting photos of flat ass white women. don't know if you are high or lost your mind behind that keyboard. it just aint right.
Im a bodybuilding fan, if Kai looks like shit, im not making excuses for him. Phil looked incredible on of the best physiques ever, many cant see that yet.
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Hey Wiggs, a lady doesn't abandon her man just because a Phil Heath enters the room.
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Hey Wiggs, a lady doesn't abandon her man just because a Phil Heath enters the room.
Im sorry Kai, grapefruits on the house. :-*
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Top 5 of all time without question...
hard to compare with Levrone, as they are from 2 different eras...never thought it was fair to compare.
hard to find a weakness on Phil...
Probably agree.
LOL@ the thread where guys were saying Cormier was better than Heath. Cormier never came close to sniffing the O title, and on top of that is a garbage human being.
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Phil does indeed have a poor structure for bodybuilding (small clavicles, no biceps peak, etc..) however he has maxed out his physique and has no flaws, and thats quite an achievement.
If he had a better structure he would be the best ever.
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Probably agree.
LOL@ the thread where guys were saying Cormier was better than Heath. Cormier never came close to sniffing the O title, and on top of that is a garbage human being.
Cormier had the edge in genetics & structure , he had the potential to be much more but we all know how that turned out :-\
But what Phil accomplished is remarkable in such a short time
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Probably agree.
LOL@ the thread where guys were saying Cormier was better than Heath. Cormier never came close to sniffing the O title, and on top of that is a garbage human being.
Racist post reported ;D
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Cormier had the edge in genetics & structure , he had the potential to be much more but we all know how that turned out :-\
But what Phil accomplished is remarkable in such a short time with the help of NP keri cutler and a doc willing to sign off the prescriptions.
fixed.
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Top 5 of all time?What a crock of shit that is. Chick once again is being used as a propaganda tool of the Weiders. The Olympia is and always has been a Weider scam. Gh15 already told it like it is about Heath. Top 5 my ass.
Chick answered and some may not agree which is fine. BUt c'mon at least Chick answered the damn question.
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I'm no Phil haters by any means, in fact Phil deserved the win with no doubts. Phil is most definitely a freak, but lets compare apples to apples. The guys today are NOT doing the same cycles that the guys from 10 to 15 years ago were doing. Slin and GH in combo will blow a persons muscle up with a totally different look than just plain ole steroids will do. You will pay a price for this look as far as losing some of the very fine striations especially in the upper body. At first you very well may look great with this combo, but the big downfall is after years of doing this you distort you body especially in the waist area. This is why some guys will still look good after a few years of use and remember that some use less some use more. Everyone will react differently to this combo, user beware.
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Cormier had the edge in genetics & structure , he had the potential to be much more but we all know how that turned out :-\
But what Phil accomplished is remarkable in such a short time
Lot's of people have the POTENTIAL to be more...that means absolutely nothing.
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Top 5 Mr. Olympia of all time.
I consider it tied between Arnold and Zane for number one.
1. Arnold Schwarzenegger
2. Frank Zane
3. Larry Scott
4. Sergio Oliva
5. Chris Dickerson
Phil Heath is by far the shittiest one ever.
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That is how an hormonized should look like!
Marvelous and sexy!
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Chick, what is your take on the Phil Heath clavicle issue?
Do you find him to be narrow, and should that affect his placing as all the GetBiggers say?
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Top 5 Mr. Olympia of all time.
I consider it tied between Arnold and Zane for number one.
1. Arnold Schwarzenegger
2. Frank Zane
3. Larry Scott
4. Sergio Oliva
5. Chris Dickerson
Phil Heath is by far the shittiest one ever.
Dickerson? ???
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Dickerson? ???
Yep. Good physique compared to who I had to choose from out of the remaining Mr. Olympias.
(http://www.ifbb.com/contestresults/mrolympia/chrisdickerson.jpg)
(http://www.legendaryfitness.com/chris_dickerson.02.jpg)
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Chick, what is your take on the Phil Heath clavicle issue?
Do you find him to be narrow, and should that affect his placing as all the GetBiggers say?
Its an issue that doesnt exist...except to those that dont how to assess a physique....
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Its an issue that doesnt exist...except to those that dont how to assess a physique....
Thank you ,Chick.
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Its an issue that doesnt exist...except to those that dont how to assess a physique....
When he first came out, it mattered
I remember his first NY pro (wich he won), I tought it was VERY close between him and Darrem Charles simply because Phil looked bizzar in the front relaxed
I would prove my point with pictures but bodybuilding.com took down the prejudging pictures from that show
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When he first came out, it mattered
I remember his first NY pro (wich he won), I tought it was VERY close between him and Darrem Charles simply because Phil looked bizzar in the front relaxed
I would prove my point with pictures but bodybuilding.com took down the prejudging pictures from that show
And what would that be? That hell never win the Olympia??
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Bob, your answer please sir, phil in your top 5, may we have your top 5 ever, in order.
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And what would that be? That hell never win the Olympia??
no, what I am saying is that without the mass he has now, his narrowness was pretty much the only thing affecting him
now his shoulders and arms are so massive that he does not look narrow at all (on stage)
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Bob, your answer please sir, phil in your top 5, may we have your top 5 ever, in order.
Cant put them in order, as I said...comparing different era champs isnt a fair representation...
Top 5 in no oder
Arnold
Haney
Dorian
Ronnie
Phil
What I will say is this...I believe Phil may be the greatest champion in terms of having the least amount of weaknesses/ most complete physique, out of all of them...without question
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no, what I am saying is that without the mass he has now, his narrowness was pretty much the only thing affecting him
now his shoulders and arms are so massive that he does not look narrow at all (on stage)
He doesnt look as narrow when he turns his side deltd to the front like in his most muscular. It gives him the illusion of added width because of his great delts but yed, his skeletal structure is narrow.
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Cant put them in order, as I said...comparing different era champs isnt a fair representation...
Top 5 in no oder
Arnold
Haney
Dorian
Ronnie
Phil
What I will say is this...I believe Phil may be the greatest champion in terms of having the least amount of weaknesses/ most complete physique, out of all of them...without question
Great list and agree on your last point.
Prepare for meltdowns....lol
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Cant put them in order, as I said...comparing different era champs isnt a fair representation...
Top 5 in no oder
Arnold
Haney
Dorian
Ronnie
Phil
What I will say is this...I believe Phil may be the greatest champion in terms of having the least amount of weaknesses/ most complete physique, out of all of them...without question
Chick, I am not asking this question to criticize your list, as these points are certainly subjective and arguable; however, what are Sergio Oliva's weaknesses? I assume conditioning, but I think he is more "complete" than Haney, even though Lee had all of those wins.
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He doesnt look as narrow when he turns his side deltd to the front like in his most muscular. It gives him the illusion of added width because of his great delts but yed, his skeletal structure is narrow.
yop
the only pose he looks REALLY narrow even nowadays is the abs and tighs
very noticable against Jay Cutler
Phil still wins that pose because of superior aesthetic tho
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Cant put them in order, as I said...comparing different era champs isnt a fair representation...
Top 5 in no oder
Arnold
Haney
Dorian
Ronnie
Phil
What I will say is this...I believe Phil may be the greatest champion in terms of having the least amount of weaknesses/ most complete physique, out of all of them...without question
agreed
he has no "weak" bodypart
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When he first came out, it mattered
I remember his first NY pro (wich he won), I tought it was VERY close between him and Darrem Charles simply because Phil looked bizzar in the front relaxed
I would prove my point with pictures but bodybuilding.com took down the prejudging pictures from that show
I have the Flex mag which covered both his wins, and his first DVD which shows vid of him I the front relaxed, I agree with you.
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Chick, I am not asking this question to criticize your list, as these points are certainly subjective and arguable; however, what are Sergio Oliva's weaknesses? I assume conditioning, but I think he is more "complete" than Haney, even though Lee had all of those wins.
You could make a case for Sergio being one of those 5 names...as for weaknesses...his back, and lack of separation overall. Arms were big, but tris were most of them..
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Great list and agree on your last point.
Prepare for meltdowns....lol
What happened to you dude? You used to bath in Kai's sperm now you treat Heath like he's the chosen one!!
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What happened to you dude? You used to bath in Kai's sperm now you treat Heath like he's the chosen one!!
Maybe when Kai comes in 100% ill revist...but right now its Phil. Phil is hood for business and business is bodybuilding. 8)
Kai would have to be mighty dry to beat Phil now. Hed have to come in 100% everytime...he needs 09 AC conditioning, only now and he needs to be no more than 255.
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Maybe when Kai comes in 100% ill revist...but right now its Phil. Phil is hood for business and business is bodybuilding. 8)
plus he is well spoken and doesn't look like a complete retard
plus he doesn't get on his head during his routines
plus he doesn't fuck fruits
plus he doesn't have gay pictures of him with Rodney St-cloud all over the interwebz
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plus he is well spoken and doesn't look like a complete retard
plus he doesn't get on his head during his routines
plus he doesn't fuck fruits
plus he doesn't have gay pictures of him with Rodney St-cloud all over the interwebz
Completely agree.
I can't stand interviews with Kai, the dude can't give a straight answer. Always ends up going on some rant. I'm not a huge fan of his physique, although I can't deny he's a mass monster/freak.
Phil is the best of both worlds, very well spoken, great physique that holds a good amount of size.
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Cant put them in order, as I said...comparing different era champs isnt a fair representation...
Top 5 in no oder
Arnold
Haney
Dorian
Ronnie
Phil
What I will say is this...I believe Phil may be the greatest champion in terms of having the least amount of weaknesses/ most complete physique, out of all of them...without question
Arnold and no Sergio, failure.
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Cant put them in order, as I said...comparing different era champs isnt a fair representation...
Top 5 in no oder
Arnold
Haney
Dorian
Ronnie
Phil
What I will say is this...I believe Phil may be the greatest champion in terms of having the least amount of weaknesses/ most complete physique, out of all of them...without question
WHAT'S Y0UR TAKE 0N HIM HAVING N0 F0UNDATI0N FR0M MEGA ABUSE 0F INSULIN?
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Its an issue that doesnt exist...except to those that dont how to assess a physique....
Exactly - its nonsense to keep going on about narrow clavicals. As I have said before, look at the development of the delt heads, and the traps, back etc. He had it all. If you are going to judge the O on clavical length, then a human skeleton could win it.
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Its an issue that doesnt exist...except to those that dont how to assess a physique....
Hahahahahaha which is 99.99% of Getbig
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Top 5 of all time without question...
hard to compare with Levrone, as they are from 2 different eras...never thought it was fair to compare.
hard to find a weakness on Phil...
::) ::) ::)
heath is a great bb and won fair and square and imo he deserved to beat jay last year too but his chest is a clear weak point size wise, not horrible but still doesnt go perfect with the rest of him!!..
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Fat "Wiggs" wont recover. ;D
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Fat "Wiggs" wont recover. ;D
Why is that?
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::) ::) ::)
heath is a great bb and won fair and square and imo he deserved to beat jay last year too but his chest is a clear weak point size wise, not horrible but still doesnt go perfect with the rest of him!!..
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=350552.msg4932596#msg4932596
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look at this picture,, look at it really really well,, this is not mr o material,, this is a fella that time everything right to build chemical illusion ,, again look in this picture especialy the pecs but the all upper torse,,notice in this one the arms take less attention since it is pointing to torse mainly ,, this is just weak weak physiqe on a mr o ,, it is sad ,, it immposible to put philsulina as how good he is because he is not done yet but i can assure you .....he is not only not top 5 but he may be the worst mr o EVER,, its between him ,,jason and franco,,
i really have nothing against the fella but take a goodo goood look at jason cutler developments of the torse,,YEARS UPON YEARS OF FOUNDATION THERE...then look art philsulina ...the type of skin ...the hormonized fresh out of the bun factory look ,, you know like when whore get her boobs done? this is what it look like ,,,very very artifical and weak ,, this is just not it friends im very sorry ,, i would tell you if he was a top caliber,, he is not,, he is what we have now as in true no weakneses in comparing to the others....jason have large waist but still! can win the o !! if he come 100% ,,
the problem of philsulina is that he doesnt haev so call weakneses ,,he does but its in his build..as in calvicles... ,, so his probem is that he doenst have weakneses...this is his problem ,, it is because you took fella with no foundation ....and blew him up! EVERYTHING BLEW UP IN PROPORTION BECAUSE HE HAD NO TIME IN THE GYMNASIUM TO DEVELOP FOUNDATION....what he had was BIG ARMS and narrow calvicles,, everything grew in proportion to what it used to be when he started,,, its called BLOW UP FROM MEGA DOSE OF HORMONES on a phenominal responder,,
trust me you wil nevr see philsulina videos with heavy lifting ,,not ron style not dorian style not anyone style,, his muscle is like muscle suit! this is physiqe built mainly on machines which is good its good you can built physiqe on machines like i said it before you can build mr o on bowflex....but notice the no power look its just look weak ,, its muscular,, its conditioned due to low bodyfat,, its just what i call enough to pass...
you know how in the past ...well in some countries you gotta nail a in tests they consider c as failin their head,, in americana highschools you get c you are ok ,,you are fine,, philsulina is C ,, he did everything he needed to do to a minimum degree just enough to win the title ,, you cant build foundation if its not there before you explode on hgh and insulina mega dose,, it will never be there,,
he is very very similar to ken ,, very very similar,,ken we let forevr be as the up and coming never actualy made it....due to the times we live in and the bad generation of bodybuild...we made a ken wheeler like a mr o ...and to be honest he is not ken wheeler like ,, ken wheeler had better genetic flow,, he was more beautiful as in shape,,
philsulina is good ,, its just something stinks there ,, it stinks so bad you want to open the window take fresh air,, its sad because he is a truly nice fella ,, truly nice kid
gh15 approved
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look at this picture,, look at it really really well,, this is not mr o material,, this is a fella that time everything right to build chemical illusion ,, again look in this picture especialy the pecs but the all upper torse,,notice in this one the arms take less attention since it is pointing to torse mainly ,, this is just weak weak physiqe on a mr o ,, it is sad ,, it immposible to put philsulina as how good he is because he is not done yet but i can assure you .....he is not only not top 5 but he may be the worst mr o EVER,, its between him ,,jason and franco,,
i really have nothing against the fella but take a goodo goood look at jason cutler developments of the torse,,YEARS UPON YEARS OF FOUNDATION THERE...then look art philsulina ...the type of skin ...the hormonized fresh out of the bun factory look ,, you know like when whore get her boobs done? this is what it look like ,,,very very artifical and weak ,, this is just not it friends im very sorry ,, i would tell you if he was a top caliber,, he is not,, he is what we have now as in true no weakneses in comparing to the others....jason have large waist but still! can win the o !! if he come 100% ,,
the problem of philsulina is that he doesnt haev so call weakneses ,,he does but its in his build..as in calvicles... ,, so his probem is that he doenst have weakneses...this is his problem ,, it is because you took fella with no foundation ....and blew him up! EVERYTHING BLEW UP IN PROPORTION BECAUSE HE HAD NO TIME IN THE GYMNASIUM TO DEVELOP FOUNDATION....what he had was BIG ARMS and narrow calvicles,, everything grew in proportion to what it used to be when he started,,, its called BLOW UP FROM MEGA DOSE OF HORMONES on a phenominal responder,,
trust me you wil nevr see philsulina videos with heavy lifting ,,not ron style not dorian style not anyone style,, his muscle is like muscle suit! this is physiqe built mainly on machines which is good its good you can built physiqe on machines like i said it before you can build mr o on bowflex....but notice the no power look its just look weak ,, its muscular,, its conditioned due to low bodyfat,, its just what i call enough to pass...
you know how in the past ...well in some countries you gotta nail a in tests they consider c as failin their head,, in americana highschools you get c you are ok ,,you are fine,, philsulina is C ,, he did everything he needed to do to a minimum degree just enough to win the title ,, you cant build foundation if its not there before you explode on hgh and insulina mega dose,, it will never be there,,
he is very very similar to ken ,, very very similar,,ken we let forevr be as the up and coming never actualy made it....due to the times we live in and the bad generation of bodybuild...we made a ken wheeler like a mr o ...and to be honest he is not ken wheeler like ,, ken wheeler had better genetic flow,, he was more beautiful as in shape,,
philsulina is good ,, its just something stinks there ,, it stinks so bad you want to open the window take fresh air,, its sad because he is a truly nice fella ,, truly nice kid
gh15 approved
SH0ULD W0LF HAVE BEATEN HEATH?
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look at this picture,, look at it really really well,, this is not mr o material,, this is a fella that time everything right to build chemical illusion ,, again look in this picture especialy the pecs but the all upper torse,,notice in this one the arms take less attention since it is pointing to torse mainly ,, this is just weak weak physiqe on a mr o ,, it is sad ,, it immposible to put philsulina as how good he is because he is not done yet but i can assure you .....he is not only not top 5 but he may be the worst mr o EVER,, its between him ,,jason and franco,,
i really have nothing against the fella but take a goodo goood look at jason cutler developments of the torse,,YEARS UPON YEARS OF FOUNDATION THERE...then look art philsulina ...the type of skin ...the hormonized fresh out of the bun factory look ,, you know like when whore get her boobs done? this is what it look like ,,,very very artifical and weak ,, this is just not it friends im very sorry ,, i would tell you if he was a top caliber,, he is not,, he is what we have now as in true no weakneses in comparing to the others....jason have large waist but still! can win the o !! if he come 100% ,,
the problem of philsulina is that he doesnt haev so call weakneses ,,he does but its in his build..as in calvicles... ,, so his probem is that he doenst have weakneses...this is his problem ,, it is because you took fella with no foundation ....and blew him up! EVERYTHING BLEW UP IN PROPORTION BECAUSE HE HAD NO TIME IN THE GYMNASIUM TO DEVELOP FOUNDATION....what he had was BIG ARMS and narrow calvicles,, everything grew in proportion to what it used to be when he started,,, its called BLOW UP FROM MEGA DOSE OF HORMONES on a phenominal responder,,
trust me you wil nevr see philsulina videos with heavy lifting ,,not ron style not dorian style not anyone style,, his muscle is like muscle suit! this is physiqe built mainly on machines which is good its good you can built physiqe on machines like i said it before you can build mr o on bowflex....but notice the no power look its just look weak ,, its muscular,, its conditioned due to low bodyfat,, its just what i call enough to pass...
you know how in the past ...well in some countries you gotta nail a in tests they consider c as failin their head,, in americana highschools you get c you are ok ,,you are fine,, philsulina is C ,, he did everything he needed to do to a minimum degree just enough to win the title ,, you cant build foundation if its not there before you explode on hgh and insulina mega dose,, it will never be there,,
he is very very similar to ken ,, very very similar,,ken we let forevr be as the up and coming never actualy made it....due to the times we live in and the bad generation of bodybuild...we made a ken wheeler like a mr o ...and to be honest he is not ken wheeler like ,, ken wheeler had better genetic flow,, he was more beautiful as in shape,,
philsulina is good ,, its just something stinks there ,, it stinks so bad you want to open the window take fresh air,, its sad because he is a truly nice fella ,, truly nice kid
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I totally agree with you. For some reason I just don't get the wow factor from Heath. There is nothing special about him compared to other Mr. Olympias in the past. The sad thing is that Tier 2 bodybuilders are now the Tier 1' because there really aren't that many special guys around anymore. Phil was hyped for years to be Mr. O and once the chance came they gave it to him. Not because he won it, but because someone else lost it.
People say he deservered it. Really? Why? He was better than a lineup that should be on the NY Pro card and not the Mr. Olympia card. The Elite freaks are done and there doesn't seem to be anyone coming up yet.
The crazy thing is that Evan Centopani screwed up. If he came in dry and in shape hell he may have won this or even got top 3. He MISSED a huge opportunity. But is Evan Tier 1? Not really to me. Another nice to look at physique but nothing WOW about it.
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Someone please explain how Phil is better than say dex?
That pic of Cormier is what is called Genetics.
Of the actual O winners i would go with:
Oliva
Dex
Arnie
Samir
Zane
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look at this picture,, look at it really really well,, this is not mr o material,, this is a fella that time everything right to build chemical illusion ,, again look in this picture especialy the pecs but the all upper torse,,notice in this one the arms take less attention since it is pointing to torse mainly ,, this is just weak weak physiqe on a mr o ,, it is sad ,, it immposible to put philsulina as how good he is because he is not done yet but i can assure you .....he is not only not top 5 but he may be the worst mr o EVER,, its between him ,,jason and franco,,
i really have nothing against the fella but take a goodo goood look at jason cutler developments of the torse,,YEARS UPON YEARS OF FOUNDATION THERE...then look art philsulina ...the type of skin ...the hormonized fresh out of the bun factory look ,, you know like when whore get her boobs done? this is what it look like ,,,very very artifical and weak ,, this is just not it friends im very sorry ,, i would tell you if he was a top caliber,, he is not,, he is what we have now as in true no weakneses in comparing to the others....jason have large waist but still! can win the o !! if he come 100% ,,
the problem of philsulina is that he doesnt haev so call weakneses ,,he does but its in his build..as in calvicles... ,, so his probem is that he doenst have weakneses...this is his problem ,, it is because you took fella with no foundation ....and blew him up! EVERYTHING BLEW UP IN PROPORTION BECAUSE HE HAD NO TIME IN THE GYMNASIUM TO DEVELOP FOUNDATION....what he had was BIG ARMS and narrow calvicles,, everything grew in proportion to what it used to be when he started,,, its called BLOW UP FROM MEGA DOSE OF HORMONES on a phenominal responder,,
trust me you wil nevr see philsulina videos with heavy lifting ,,not ron style not dorian style not anyone style,, his muscle is like muscle suit! this is physiqe built mainly on machines which is good its good you can built physiqe on machines like i said it before you can build mr o on bowflex....but notice the no power look its just look weak ,, its muscular,, its conditioned due to low bodyfat,, its just what i call enough to pass...
you know how in the past ...well in some countries you gotta nail a in tests they consider c as failin their head,, in americana highschools you get c you are ok ,,you are fine,, philsulina is C ,, he did everything he needed to do to a minimum degree just enough to win the title ,, you cant build foundation if its not there before you explode on hgh and insulina mega dose,, it will never be there,,
he is very very similar to ken ,, very very similar,,ken we let forevr be as the up and coming never actualy made it....due to the times we live in and the bad generation of bodybuild...we made a ken wheeler like a mr o ...and to be honest he is not ken wheeler like ,, ken wheeler had better genetic flow,, he was more beautiful as in shape,,
philsulina is good ,, its just something stinks there ,, it stinks so bad you want to open the window take fresh air,, its sad because he is a truly nice fella ,, truly nice kid
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Chick,
Totally respect your opinions and statements that you write on this board. What is your opinion on the above though? This can go hand in hand with things like "Phil didn't pay his dues," "No real time spent in the gym," and blah blah blah etc... BTW, I have nothing against Phil Heath. You will actually rarely if ever hear me knock an IFBB pro, let alone a Mr. O, as being a pro is something I aspire to. However, I don't think the abuse on insulin and such can be denied here, do you? Not that it matters, it is bodybuilding and we all just do what's necessary for the best physique, but still, just curious as to your thoughts on it all.
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IMHO.....
Shawn Ray had no weaknesses.....never won the Olympia....but he was very deserving....these blokes today are not even close to the guys from the 70s...80s....and early 90s......NOT EVEN CLOSE!
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Cant put them in order, as I said...comparing different era champs isnt a fair representation...
Top 5 in no oder
Arnold
Haney
Dorian
Ronnie
Phil
What I will say is this...I believe Phil may be the greatest champion in terms of having the least amount of weaknesses/ most complete physique, out of all of them...without question
I agree with this list, but I don't think Phil has the least number of weaknesses. '93 Yates, '91 Haney, '74 Schwarzenegger were all very complete and structurally superior to Phil.