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Re: Chick, where do you put Heath based on what you saw last weekend?
« Reply #50 on: September 19, 2011, 06:02:35 PM »
Quote from: Chick on September 19, 2011, 06:01:43 PM
Its an issue that doesnt exist...except to those that dont how to assess a physique....

Thank you ,Chick.
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Re: Chick, where do you put Heath based on what you saw last weekend?
« Reply #51 on: September 19, 2011, 06:08:03 PM »
Quote from: Chick on September 19, 2011, 06:01:43 PM
Its an issue that doesnt exist...except to those that dont how to assess a physique....

When he first came out, it mattered

I remember his first NY pro (wich he won), I tought it was VERY close between him and Darrem Charles simply because Phil looked bizzar in the front relaxed

I would prove my point with pictures but bodybuilding.com took down the prejudging pictures from that show
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Re: Chick, where do you put Heath based on what you saw last weekend?
« Reply #52 on: September 19, 2011, 06:14:06 PM »
Quote from: Stavios on September 19, 2011, 06:08:03 PM
When he first came out, it mattered

I remember his first NY pro (wich he won), I tought it was VERY close between him and Darrem Charles simply because Phil looked bizzar in the front relaxed

I would prove my point with pictures but bodybuilding.com took down the prejudging pictures from that show

And what would that be?  That hell never win the Olympia??
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Re: Chick, where do you put Heath based on what you saw last weekend?
« Reply #53 on: September 19, 2011, 06:16:58 PM »
Bob, your answer please sir, phil in your top 5, may we have your top 5 ever, in order.
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Re: Chick, where do you put Heath based on what you saw last weekend?
« Reply #54 on: September 19, 2011, 06:21:35 PM »
Quote from: Chick on September 19, 2011, 06:14:06 PM
And what would that be?  That hell never win the Olympia??

no, what I am saying is that without the mass he has now, his narrowness was pretty much the only thing affecting him

now his shoulders and arms are so massive that he does not look narrow at all (on stage)
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Re: Chick, where do you put Heath based on what you saw last weekend?
« Reply #55 on: September 19, 2011, 06:23:38 PM »
Quote from: Wiggs on September 19, 2011, 06:16:58 PM
Bob, your answer please sir, phil in your top 5, may we have your top 5 ever, in order.

Cant put them in order, as I said...comparing different era champs isnt a fair representation...

Top 5 in no oder

Arnold
Haney
Dorian
Ronnie
Phil

What I will say is this...I believe Phil may be the greatest champion in terms of having the least amount of weaknesses/ most complete physique,  out of all of them...without question

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Re: Chick, where do you put Heath based on what you saw last weekend?
« Reply #56 on: September 19, 2011, 06:25:03 PM »
Quote from: Stavios on September 19, 2011, 06:21:35 PM
no, what I am saying is that without the mass he has now, his narrowness was pretty much the only thing affecting him

now his shoulders and arms are so massive that he does not look narrow at all (on stage)


He doesnt look as narrow when he turns his side deltd to the front like in his most muscular. It gives him the illusion of added width because of his great delts but yed, his skeletal structure is narrow.
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Re: Chick, where do you put Heath based on what you saw last weekend?
« Reply #57 on: September 19, 2011, 06:27:43 PM »
Quote from: Chick on September 19, 2011, 06:23:38 PM
Cant put them in order, as I said...comparing different era champs isnt a fair representation...

Top 5 in no oder

Arnold
Haney
Dorian
Ronnie
Phil

What I will say is this...I believe Phil may be the greatest champion in terms of having the least amount of weaknesses/ most complete physique,  out of all of them...without question



Great list and agree on your last point.

Prepare for meltdowns....lol
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Re: Chick, where do you put Heath based on what you saw last weekend?
« Reply #58 on: September 19, 2011, 06:29:25 PM »
Quote from: Chick on September 19, 2011, 06:23:38 PM
Cant put them in order, as I said...comparing different era champs isnt a fair representation...

Top 5 in no oder

Arnold
Haney
Dorian
Ronnie
Phil

What I will say is this...I believe Phil may be the greatest champion in terms of having the least amount of weaknesses/ most complete physique,  out of all of them...without question



Chick, I am not asking this question to criticize your list, as these points are certainly subjective and arguable; however, what are Sergio Oliva's weaknesses?  I assume conditioning, but I think he is more "complete" than Haney, even though Lee had all of those wins.
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Re: Chick, where do you put Heath based on what you saw last weekend?
« Reply #59 on: September 19, 2011, 06:33:45 PM »
Quote from: Wiggs on September 19, 2011, 06:25:03 PM
He doesnt look as narrow when he turns his side deltd to the front like in his most muscular. It gives him the illusion of added width because of his great delts but yed, his skeletal structure is narrow.

yop

the only pose he looks REALLY narrow even nowadays is the abs and tighs

very noticable against Jay Cutler

Phil still wins that pose because of superior aesthetic tho
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Re: Chick, where do you put Heath based on what you saw last weekend?
« Reply #60 on: September 19, 2011, 06:34:53 PM »
Quote from: Chick on September 19, 2011, 06:23:38 PM
Cant put them in order, as I said...comparing different era champs isnt a fair representation...

Top 5 in no oder

Arnold
Haney
Dorian
Ronnie
Phil

What I will say is this...I believe Phil may be the greatest champion in terms of having the least amount of weaknesses/ most complete physique,  out of all of them...without question



agreed

he has no "weak" bodypart
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Re: Chick, where do you put Heath based on what you saw last weekend?
« Reply #61 on: September 19, 2011, 06:39:33 PM »
Quote from: Stavios on September 19, 2011, 06:08:03 PM
When he first came out, it mattered

I remember his first NY pro (wich he won), I tought it was VERY close between him and Darrem Charles simply because Phil looked bizzar in the front relaxed

I would prove my point with pictures but bodybuilding.com took down the prejudging pictures from that show
I have the Flex mag which covered both his wins, and his first DVD which shows vid of him I the front relaxed, I agree with you.
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Re: Chick, where do you put Heath based on what you saw last weekend?
« Reply #62 on: September 19, 2011, 06:40:20 PM »
Quote from: SilverSpoon on September 19, 2011, 06:29:25 PM
Chick, I am not asking this question to criticize your list, as these points are certainly subjective and arguable; however, what are Sergio Oliva's weaknesses?  I assume conditioning, but I think he is more "complete" than Haney, even though Lee had all of those wins.

You could make a case for Sergio being one of those 5 names...as for weaknesses...his back, and lack of separation overall.  Arms were big, but tris were most of them..
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Re: Chick, where do you put Heath based on what you saw last weekend?
« Reply #63 on: September 19, 2011, 06:41:54 PM »
Quote from: Wiggs on September 19, 2011, 06:27:43 PM
Great list and agree on your last point.

Prepare for meltdowns....lol
What happened to you dude? You used to bath in Kai's sperm now you treat Heath like he's the chosen one!!
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Re: Chick, where do you put Heath based on what you saw last weekend?
« Reply #64 on: September 19, 2011, 06:49:19 PM »
Quote from: Game Time on September 19, 2011, 06:41:54 PM
What happened to you dude? You used to bath in Kai's sperm now you treat Heath like he's the chosen one!!

Maybe when Kai comes in 100% ill revist...but right now its Phil. Phil is hood for business and business is bodybuilding.  8)

Kai would have to be mighty dry to beat Phil now. Hed have to come in 100% everytime...he needs 09 AC conditioning, only now and he needs to be no more than 255.
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Re: Chick, where do you put Heath based on what you saw last weekend?
« Reply #65 on: September 19, 2011, 06:51:23 PM »
Quote from: Wiggs on September 19, 2011, 06:49:19 PM
Maybe when Kai comes in 100% ill revist...but right now its Phil. Phil is hood for business and business is bodybuilding.  8)

plus he is well spoken and doesn't look like a complete retard

plus he doesn't get on his head during his routines

plus he doesn't fuck fruits

plus he doesn't have gay pictures of him with Rodney St-cloud all over the interwebz
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Re: Chick, where do you put Heath based on what you saw last weekend?
« Reply #66 on: September 19, 2011, 06:54:42 PM »
Quote from: Stavios on September 19, 2011, 06:51:23 PM
plus he is well spoken and doesn't look like a complete retard

plus he doesn't get on his head during his routines

plus he doesn't fuck fruits

plus he doesn't have gay pictures of him with Rodney St-cloud all over the interwebz
Completely agree.

I can't stand interviews with Kai, the dude can't give a straight answer. Always ends up going on some rant. I'm not a huge fan of his physique, although I can't deny he's a mass monster/freak.

Phil is the best of both worlds, very well spoken, great physique that holds a good amount of size.
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Re: Chick, where do you put Heath based on what you saw last weekend?
« Reply #67 on: September 19, 2011, 06:57:55 PM »
Quote from: Chick on September 19, 2011, 06:23:38 PM
Cant put them in order, as I said...comparing different era champs isnt a fair representation...

Top 5 in no oder

Arnold
Haney
Dorian
Ronnie
Phil

What I will say is this...I believe Phil may be the greatest champion in terms of having the least amount of weaknesses/ most complete physique,  out of all of them...without question



Arnold and no Sergio, failure.
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Re: Chick, where do you put Heath based on what you saw last weekend?
« Reply #68 on: September 21, 2011, 12:03:33 AM »
Quote from: Chick on September 19, 2011, 06:23:38 PM
Cant put them in order, as I said...comparing different era champs isnt a fair representation...

Top 5 in no oder

Arnold
Haney
Dorian
Ronnie
Phil

What I will say is this...I believe Phil may be the greatest champion in terms of having the least amount of weaknesses/ most complete physique,  out of all of them...without question



WHAT'S Y0UR TAKE 0N HIM HAVING N0 F0UNDATI0N FR0M MEGA ABUSE 0F INSULIN?
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Re: Chick, where do you put Heath based on what you saw last weekend?
« Reply #69 on: September 21, 2011, 01:00:42 AM »
Quote from: Chick on September 19, 2011, 06:01:43 PM
Its an issue that doesnt exist...except to those that dont how to assess a physique....

Exactly - its nonsense to keep going on about narrow clavicals. As I have said before, look at the development of the delt heads, and the traps, back etc. He had it all. If you are going to judge the O on clavical length, then a human skeleton could win it.
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Re: Chick, where do you put Heath based on what you saw last weekend?
« Reply #70 on: September 21, 2011, 01:46:53 AM »
Quote from: Chick on September 19, 2011, 06:01:43 PM
Its an issue that doesnt exist...except to those that dont how to assess a physique....

Hahahahahaha which is 99.99% of Getbig
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Re: Chick, where do you put Heath based on what you saw last weekend?
« Reply #71 on: September 21, 2011, 01:55:13 AM »
Quote from: Chick on September 19, 2011, 02:02:17 PM
Top 5 of all time without question...

hard to compare with Levrone, as they are from 2 different eras...never thought it was fair to compare.

hard to find a weakness on Phil...

 ::) ::) ::)

heath is a great bb and won fair and square and imo he deserved to beat jay last year too but his chest is a clear weak point size wise, not horrible but still doesnt go perfect with the rest of him!!..
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Re: Chick, where do you put Heath based on what you saw last weekend?
« Reply #72 on: September 21, 2011, 02:06:36 AM »
Fat "Wiggs" wont recover.  ;D
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Re: Chick, where do you put Heath based on what you saw last weekend?
« Reply #73 on: September 21, 2011, 02:08:35 AM »
Quote from: Meso_z on September 21, 2011, 02:06:36 AM
Fat "Wiggs" wont recover.  ;D

Why is that?
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Re: Chick, where do you put Heath based on what you saw last weekend?
« Reply #74 on: September 21, 2011, 02:08:59 AM »
Quote from: Sherief Shalaby on September 21, 2011, 01:55:13 AM
::) ::) ::)

heath is a great bb and won fair and square and imo he deserved to beat jay last year too but his chest is a clear weak point size wise, not horrible but still doesnt go perfect with the rest of him!!..

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=350552.msg4932596#msg4932596
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