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And the Pussyfication of America continue ::)
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/jamey-rodemeyer-suicide-ny-police-open-criminal-investigation/story?id=14580832
Police have opened a criminal investigation in the suicide death of Buffalo, N.Y., 14-year-old Jamey Rodemeyer, who was bullied online with gay slurs for more than a year.
The teen's parents, friends and even Lady Gaga, who was his idol, have expressed outrage about what they say was relentless torment on social networking websites.
The Amherst Police Department's Special Victims Unit has said it will determine whether to charge some students with harassment, cyber-harassment or hate crimes. Police said three students in particular might have been involved. Jamey was a student at Heim Middle School.....
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sorry for the kid, but he was weak... wouldn't have lasted a day in sparta
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Bullying is human nature, we laugh at the weirdos, the ones who are different etc etc
You can't ban human nature even if we suck as a species.
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Bullying is human nature, we laugh at the weirdos, the ones who are different etc etc
You can't ban human nature even if we suck as a species.
x2. I think a lot of it stems from bad parenting in this generation; kids not being taught to stand up for themselves at a young age.
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I wish lady gaga would shut the hell up.
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Bullying is human nature, we laugh at the weirdos, the ones who are different etc etc
You can't ban human nature even if we suck as a species.
you need to think through the implications of an argument before using it. if we cant outlaw human nature then every behavior which could be called a normal human response would have to be legal. look in the thread about wifes/gfs cheating. how many guys said they would murder her. oh well, human nature. we want to killa bitch if she cheats. cant outlaw that. ;D just our nature.
the reason it cant be outlawed is because it opens up a slippery slope to the outlawing of all behaviors which might have any negative affects on any person. we must limit our laws to such actions which directly cause harm.
the problem isnt bullying, as stanolol said, its bad parenting. a child should be able to withstand any verbal insults, hatred, mockery thrown his way without it causing them any emotional trauma.
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people, esp. teenagers are mean; no way around that.
But bullies are dicks and their parents are dicks and their kids will grow up to be dicks. this is why we have prisons, welfare, and getbig.com
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Parents need to keep their kids off these networking sites. Bullying is part of society. I can see Europe being gay enought to try to outlaw it.
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you need to think through the implications of an argument before using it. if we cant outlaw human nature then every behavior which could be called a normal human response would have to be legal. look in the thread about wifes/gfs cheating. how many guys said they would murder her. oh well, human nature. we want to killa bitch if she cheats. cant outlaw that. ;D just our nature.
the reason it cant be outlawed is because it opens up a slippery slope to the outlawing of all behaviors which might have any negative affects on any person. we must limit our laws to such actions which directly cause harm.
the problem isnt bullying, as stanolol said, its bad parenting. a child should be able to withstand any verbal insults, hatred, mockery thrown his way without it causing them any emotional trauma.
Obviously I was talking about bullying, and nothing else. Did I say we can't ban other things that are natural for us (cheating,killing blabla)? No, and why did I say what I said? Well you said it well yourself in the bolded part. Stop putting words in my mouth.
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Parents should buy this book
''Dealing with Cyberbullying'' by Vince Goodrum .
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LOL... Jails for kids under 13 cus they like to talk shit is lady gags perfect world
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Parents should buy this book
''Dealing with Cyberbullying'' by Vince Goodrum .
lol ;D
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Bullying is harrassment real fucking simple. If you don't wanna pussify your kids make them hold up to the same legal standards as adults, give them order and boundries, for christ sake sometimes the right wing bullshit is completely full of shit.
I cannot understand how you want your kids to live in some medieval times type of anarchy just because it's the way you supposedly live, despite the fact you never faced any true bullying, only minor minor teasing and ball busting.
Chicken hawks of the worst type, kids need rules and fucking discipline, bullying in the age of hard ass nuns, versus the age when kids can basically do whatever the fuck they want until there 18 are completely different stories.
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Bullying is one of the things that I find uncomfortable and horrible to see.
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Obviously I was talking about bullying, and nothing else. Did I say we can't ban other things that are natural for us (cheating,killing blabla)? No, and why did I say what I said? Well you said it well yourself in the bolded part. Stop putting words in my mouth.
o rly !? lol.. lets see
Bullying is human nature
You can't ban human nature
the argument here is that since bullying is human nature, and we cant ban human nature, that we cant ban bullying.
in order for that to be true we couldnt ban ANYTHING that is human nature.
basic logic.
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o rly !? lol.. lets see
the argument here is that since bullying is human nature, and we cant ban human nature, that we cant ban bullying.
in order for that to be true we couldnt ban ANYTHING that is human nature.
basic logic.
Shh don't use reason with these people, for them to acknowledge that teens are just as or in most cases alot more evil than adults who rape, molest, etc, than they simplistic world would fall apart.
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Bullying is one of the things that I find uncomfortable and horrible to see.
I bullied your mom last night.
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o rly !? lol.. lets see
the argument here is that since bullying is human nature, and we cant ban human nature, that we cant ban bullying.
in order for that to be true we couldnt ban ANYTHING that is human nature.
basic logic.
I'm not going to argue semantics, if you REALLY thought I meant that we can't ban ANY human nature (which is what you said I did basically) then you are an idiot
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Personally, I think that bullying is a lot worse because now you can be a complete pussy and bully someone anonymously behind a computer screen or phone without risking their asses being beat. Most of these punks wouldn't even be bullies back in the day I grew up.
I mean, remember that dude that jumped off the bridge because he was videotaped having sex. I saw that kid and I would have horse-raped his ass (yes homo) if he ever even thought about trying that shit on me.
Most kids now are pussies anyway...play video games all day and jack off in the bathroom. Hell I played my Atari a little bit but I spent most of my time lifting around the building hitting that bench press.
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I'm not going to argue semantics, if you REALLY thought I meant that we can't ban ANY human nature (which is what you said I did basically) then you are an idiot
Were talking about banning bullying in fucking schools, the one place were authority is generally absolute, the goal of being there for the most part is to act as law abiding citizens, and a place that is suppose to be teaching values for the work place(like civility). So yes I agree with your far out point, but children are not the people you want living in a lawlessness.
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Were talking about banning bullying in fucking schools, the one place were authority is generally absolute, the goal of being there for the most part is to act as law abiding citizens, and a place that is suppose to be teaching values for the work place(like civility). So yes I agree with your far out point, but children are not the people you want living in a lawlessness.
Grown ups bully more than kids, just look at this board ffs. You can't ban something so elementary in social dynamics by law, it cannot be enforced. Only thing it would do is waste resources.
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Not enough fathers and mothers whoopin their kids asses is the problem!! Yeah, let's take away Jr's X-Box......that will teach him!!!!!!! As he opens his laptop, gameboy, cell phone and whatever other doodad those little fuckers have nowadays. ::)
* In before some whiny bitch douchebag starts going off about "child abuse". ::) ::)
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Bullying is harrassment real fucking simple. If you don't wanna pussify your kids make them hold up to the same legal standards as adults, give them order and boundries, for christ sake sometimes the right wing bullshit is completely full of shit.
I cannot understand how you want your kids to live in some medieval times type of anarchy just because it's the way you supposedly live, despite the fact you never faced any true bullying, only minor minor teasing and ball busting.
Chicken hawks of the worst type, kids need rules and fucking discipline, bullying in the age of hard ass nuns, versus the age when kids can basically do whatever the fuck they want until there 18 are completely different stories.
kids do need rules and discipline but they also need freedom of expression. its the kids who commit suicide because of bullying that really needed better parenting. the kids doig the bullying ought to have been taught better as well, but i bet you they would commit suicide if the tables were turned. its a sign of extreme emotional weakness to let the words of others affect you so, and parents should be fostering strength and confidence from a very young age.
I'm not going to argue semantics, if you REALLY thought I meant that we can't ban ANY human nature (which is what you said I did basically) then you are an idiot
semantics. lol. your the one who wrote it einstein. as i said, think about the implications of your arguments before using them. if you understand that what i wrote is the real reason why bullying ought not be banned then you should have said so in the first place instead of making the remark about it being human nature
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Grown ups bully more than kids, just look at this board ffs. You can't ban something so elementary in social dynamics by law, it cannot be enforced. Only thing it would do is waste resources.
Your confusing Ball busting with harassment. No one on here has to come here which makes that theory nonsensical. Just the same at work, or in most places in life, school is one of the few places that you are forced by law to attend.
Seriously the only thing that as an adult that can compare to adolescent bullying(the extreme cases) is rape, and assault.
When was the last time you were raped or a victim of an unprovoked assualt in the work place. If you think there totally different you know jack shit about what it means to be a victim in the clinical sense, and are just making shit up to feel at ease with the world.
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semantics. lol. your the one who wrote it einstein. as i said, think about the implications of your arguments before using them. if you understand that what i wrote is the real reason why bullying ought not be banned then you should have said so in the first place instead of making the remark about it being human nature
I had the same opinion or close to the same as you posted in the part i bolded. I didn't write it like that because sometimes you don't need to be exact in the way you formulate what you say for people to understand what you were thinking of.
Now tell me how God created himself when he didn't even exist in your theory of boredom and "non existence", mr Logic. ::)
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Not enough fathers and mothers whoopin their kids asses is the problem!! Yeah, let's take away Jr's X-Box......that will teach him!!!!!!! As he opens his laptop, gameboy, cell phone and whatever other doodad those little fuckers have nowadays. ::)
* In before some whiny bitch douchebag starts going off about "child abuse". ::) ::)
Exactly........
"If you keep that up I will put you in timeout".
Fer fucks fucking sake.
::)
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Your confusing Ball busting with harassment. No one on here has to come here which makes that theory nonsensical. Just the same at work, or in most places in life, school is one of the few places that you are forced by law to attend.
Seriously the only thing that as an adult that can compare to adolescent bullying(the extreme cases) is rape, and assault.
When was the last time you were raped or a victim of an unprovoked assualt in the work place. If you think there totally different you know jack shit about what it means to be a victim in the clinical sense, and are just making shit up to feel at ease with the world.
Yes yes, bullying is bad, still doesn't change that a law against it cannot be enforced efficiently and would only waste resources
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;D
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kids do need rules and discipline but they also need freedom of expression. its the kids who commit suicide because of bullying that really needed better parenting. the kids doig the bullying ought to have been taught better as well, but i bet you they would commit suicide if the tables were turned. its a sign of extreme emotional weakness to let the words of others affect you so, and parents should be fostering strength and confidence from a very young age.
That's such a fallancy it's not fit. What if these kids killing themselves are simply people with mental health disorders such as , bipolar, antisocial personaility disorder, fetal alcohol syndrome, sociopathy(not physcopathy), etc, you can't parent for that shit and these people need to learn to deal with their own problems as an adult. Therefore there should be laws to protect the portion of the population that is extremely vulnerable.
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I had the same opinion or close to the same as you posted in the part i bolded. I didn't write it like that because sometimes you don't need to be exact in the way you formulate what you say for people to understand what you were thinking of.
Now tell me how God created himself when he didn't even exist in your theory of boredom and "non existence", mr Logic. ::)
i think your making the mistake of assuming people can read your mind
its very easy to do
you DO need to be exact and explicit in the way you formulate what you say or else people will be left to guess. and more often than not they guess wrong.
i commit the same mistake all the time and i am often misundersttood
as for your question on metaphysics.. we can only guess.. that is just my idea of how it happened
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That's such a fallancy it's not fit. What if these kids killing themselves are simply people with mental health disorders such as , bipolar, antisocial personaility disorder, fetal alcohol syndrome, sociopathy(not physcopathy), etc, you can't parent for that shit and these people need to learn to deal with their own problems as an adult. Therefore there should be laws to protect the portion of the population that is extremely vulnerable.
no. if someone is so mentally unstable that they might kill themselves based on what others say about them then that is an argument for their detention in a mental health facility, not for the regulation of expression.
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i think your making the mistake of assuming people can read your mind
its very easy to do
you DO need to be exact and explicit in the way you formulate what you say or else people will be left to guess. and more often than not they guess wrong.
i commit the same mistake all the time and i am often misundersttood
as for your question on metaphysics.. we can only guess.. that is just my idea of how it happened
Translation: I knew exactly what you meant but I was being a know it all smart-ass and had to comment and give you a lecture on how to express yourself
whatever ::)
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Exactly........
"If you keep that up I will put you in timeout".
Fer fucks fucking sake.
::)
LMAO, I used to get "thumped" if I smarted off, now the parents just stand there like a bunch of retards and take it.
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Oh brooooooooooother ::) ::) ::) another "WEAR PURPLE DAY" coming up ::) ::) ::)
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no. if someone is so mentally unstable that they might kill themselves based on what others say about them then that is an argument for their detention in a mental health facility, not for the regulation of expression.
Lol that makes no sense, you can't know what's going on inside the mind of a teenager, even the teenagers themselves don't know what the fucks going on(the very nature of puberty), it's too early to tell and you do need a buffer zone. Most disorders of the sucidal type can't really be found out until early twenties.
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Translation: I knew exactly what you meant but I was being a know it all smart-ass and had to comment and give you a lecture on how to express yourself
whatever ::)
;D ;D ;D
the thing is, i didnt know what you meant, i had no idea. all i was going off of was your comment about not banning human nature. i havent read anything from you on your political ideology before so i really couldnt have gotten anything but what you explictly wrote out of your post.
which is what im talking about. in order to be understood you need to cover things from top to bottom
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;D ;D ;D
the thing is, i didnt know what you meant, i had no idea. all i was going off of was your comment about not banning human nature. i havent read anything from you on your political ideology before so i really couldnt have gotten anything but what you explictly wrote out of your post.
which is what im talking about. in order to be understood you need to cover things from top to bottom
Ok professor, I will be clear and explicit in the future.
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Oh brooooooooooother ::) ::) ::) another "WEAR PURPLE DAY" coming up ::) ::) ::)
well your quite the douchebag arent you.
Lol that makes no sense, you can't know what's going on inside the mind of a teenager, even the teenagers themselves don't know what the fucks going on(the very nature of puberty), it's too early to tell and you do need a buffer zone. Most disorders of the sucidal type can't really be found out until early twenties.
what your arguing for is simply impractical. where would you draw the line? how could a judge or police officer decide what is an insult and what is just constructive criticism? at what point does it become harrassment? what about playful teasing not meant to be hurtful? see, even if it made sense to put a ban on hateful speech, your already faced with a multitude of roadblocks in the enforcement os such a ban. it owuld be literally impossible to define and ineffective as a result. what you need to be arguing for is better parenting, both for the bullies and for the emotionally weak/sensitive. kids should understand to love and respect one another, but they also need to understand that life isnt fair, bad shit happens, and no matter what anyone says or does to you you have to remain on the positive track. if you wanted to mandate school programs that taught about morality and life lessons, i would be all for that. we definitely do need society as a whole to play a larger more beneficial role in the development of our youth. parents have proven themselves incapable of preparing their children for the world.
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LMAO, I used to get "thumped"
Oh brother ::).
Try shoes , whip ,belt buckle, tree switch and last but no least a brick that my mom threw at me when I was old enough(10yr/o) to run from her ;D .
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well your quite the douchebag arent you.
what your arguing for is simply impractical. where would you draw the line? how could a judge or police officer decide what is an insult and what is just constructive criticism? at what point does it become harrassment? what about playful teasing not meant to be hurtful? see, even if it made sense to put a ban on hateful speech, your already faced with a multitude of roadblocks in the enforcement os such a ban. it owuld be literally impossible to define and ineffective as a result. what you need to be arguing for is better parenting, both for the bullies and for the emotionally weak/sensitive. kids should understand to love and respect one another, but they also need to understand that life isnt fair, bad shit happens, and no matter what anyone says or does to you you have to remain on the positive track. if you wanted to mandate school programs that taught about morality and life lessons, i would be all for that. we definitely do need society as a whole to play a larger more beneficial role in the development of our youth. parents have proven themselves incapable of preparing their children for the world.
by all means Tbombz wear your Purple shirt in your cubical at work, make your statement
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Oh brother ::).
Try shoes , whip ,belt buckle, tree switch and last but no least a brick that my mom threw at me when I was old enough(10yr/o) to run from her ;D .
LOL, thumped was just when they were empty handed..... ;D My mom broke a wooden spoon on my arm for eating the cookie dough after she said not to. When she goes senile, she goes into one of those homes that doesn't change the diapers for days! :D
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LOL, thumped was just when they were empty handed..... ;D My mom broke a wooden spoon on my arm for eating the cookie dough after she said not to. When she goes senile, she goes into one of those homes that doesn't change the diapers for days! :D
Hahha, good times.
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by all means Tbombz wear your Purple shirt in your cubical at work, make your statement
why mock people who are trying to spread a message of love and peace? the shirts are to remember gay kids who were made fun of for being gay and commited suicide because of it. i agree the kids were weak for killing themselves but theres nothing to be made fun of. the people are good hearted and good intentioned, promoting a good cause trying to make a positive change in the world.
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LOL, thumped was just when they were empty handed..... ;D My mom broke a wooden spoon on my arm for eating the cookie dough after she said not to. When she goes senile, she goes into one of those homes that doesn't change the diapers for days! :D
Hahha, good times.
I swear my mother could throw things around corners!
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Bullying is harrassment real fucking simple. If you don't wanna pussify your kids make them hold up to the same legal standards as adults, give them order and boundries, for christ sake sometimes the right wing bullshit is completely full of shit.
I cannot understand how you want your kids to live in some medieval times type of anarchy just because it's the way you supposedly live, despite the fact you never faced any true bullying, only minor minor teasing and ball busting.
Chicken hawks of the worst type, kids need rules and fucking discipline, bullying in the age of hard ass nuns, versus the age when kids can basically do whatever the fuck they want until there 18 are completely different stories.
This.
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why mock people who are trying to spread a message of love and peace? the shirts are to remember gay kids who were made fun of for being gay and commited suicide because of it. i agree the kids were weak for killing themselves but theres nothing to be made fun of. the people are good hearted and good intentioned, promoting a good cause trying to make a positive change in the world.
Your opinion is not objective, you have a personal interest in this issue, therefore, I deem your opinion invalid.
Move along kid.
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why mock people who are trying to spread a message of love and peace? the shirts are to remember gay kids who were made fun of for being gay and commited suicide because of it. i agree the kids were weak for killing themselves but theres nothing to be made fun of. the people are good hearted and good intentioned, promoting a good cause trying to make a positive change in the world.
where the color shirt for the fat kid? the retarded kid? the mixed race kid?
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why mock people who are trying to spread a message of love and peace? the shirts are to remember gay kids who were made fun of for being gay and commited suicide because of it. i agree the kids were weak for killing themselves but theres nothing to be made fun of. the people are good hearted and good intentioned, promoting a good cause trying to make a positive change in the world.
Bullying will always be around.
Teasing will always be around.
Making fun of someone's sexual orientation will always be around.
Grade School/High School kids will always be mean.
There is nothing that can be done to change that....people need to quit blaming the internet/facebook/school system and start parenting again. If this keeps up, pretty soon American will have some liberal, single-mom raised, prissy, oversensitive, multi-racial whiner in the White House. ;D
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Your opinion is not objective, you have a personal interest in this issue, therefore, I deem your opinion invalid.
Move along kid.
funny, the ruling on prop 8(overturned the constitutional amendment banning gay marriage) was challenged because the judge who presided over the case was gay himsellf. there wasnt a an educated person in the entire judicial system who felt there was any argument to be made. the ruling stands. a precedent had been established long ago.. black judges allowed to decide cases on discrimination and segregation, women allowed to judge feminist movement cases..etc.
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Bullying will always be around.
Teasing will always be around.
Making fun of someone's sexual orientation will always be around.
Grade School/High School kids will always be mean.
There is nothing that can be done to change that....people need to quit blaming the internet/facebook/school system and start parenting again. If this keeps up, pretty soon American will have some liberal, single-mom raised, prissy, oversensitive, multi-racial whiner in the White House. ;D
we can decrease the amount of those things. yes, through parenting. but it takes a village to raise a child. we all need to promote good values.
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funny, the ruling on prop 8(overturned the constitutional amendment banning gay marriage) was challenged because the judge who presided over the case was gay himsellf. there wasnt a an educated person in the entire judicial system who felt there was any argument to be made. the ruling stands. a precedent had been established long ago.. black judges allowed to decide cases on discrimination and segregation, women allowed to judge feminist movement cases..etc.
You're not a highly educated and experienced judge.
You're just high.
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we can decrease the amount of those things. yes, through parenting. but it takes a village to raise a child. we all need to promote good values.
Almost fell for it.......the troll is weak with you. ::)
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You're not a highly educated and experienced judge.
You're just high.
u got owned. its ok. just shut up now.
Almost fell for it.......the troll is weak with you. ::)
almost fell for some truth? oh, dont do that !
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u got owned. its ok. just shut up now.
LMAO!!!
I won't argue with the retarded anymore, you're too stupid to see what an idiot you are. Impossible to have a conversation or debate with someone that cannot be objective and open minded.......even while he's smoking a joint while scraping rails and being fisted.......LOL!!! ;D
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so some kids die / suicide and get their feelings hurt, and of course this makes bullying "bad"?
what happens if we successfully "ban bullying"... perhaps something even worse? how come no one asks this question? :-\
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u got owned. its ok. just shut up now.
almost fell for some truth? oh, dont do that !
Cyber Bullying: ALWAYS bad....unless I want to make someone feel like shit....then it's not bullying, because I'm against bullying....so I'm allowed to do it to people who aren't against it.
Seriously, the shit that comes out of candizzle's account is the kind of unchecked blissfully-ignorant naivete that comes along once a generation, tops.
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x2. I think a lot of it stems from bad parenting in this generation; kids not being taught to stand up for themselves at a young age.
actually it goes further than that. everytime someone gets into a fight anymore..at school, playground ect. parents (or somebody) calls the police. charges are filed. kids can;t even fight anymore. the system will not allow you to take up for yourself. its sad really.
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Cyber Bullying: ALWAYS bad....unless I want to make someone feel like shit....then it's not bullying, because I'm against bullying....so I'm allowed to do it to people who aren't against it.
Seriously, the shit that comes out of candizzle's account is the kind of unchecked blissfully-ignorant naivete that comes along once a generation, tops.
did i hurt your feelings at some point in time sweetheart?
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that fat kid in Australia didn't put up with it.
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did i hurt your feelings at some point in time sweetheart?
I'm just enjoying the absurdity that is tbombz top off an anti-bullying tirade by mocking someone, a form of bullying, by telling them they "got owned."
The level of irony in your approach of bullying people into not bullying people is breathtaking. So the only "feelings" on my part is a mix of amusement and bemusement over your involvement in this thread.
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Oh brother ::).
Try shoes , whip ,belt buckle, tree switch and last but no least a brick that my mom threw at me when I was old enough(10yr/o) to run from her ;D .
My parents had peach, dogwood, and apple trees in the back. The peach tree switches were the worst, as they were supple, and had "crack" to them...
My parents had simple rules:You spoke when spoken to. You never interrupted adults, and if you had a question, you said "excuse me". If said adults didn't answer you (while they were talking), then you walk away. You said, "yes please" and "thank you". And you took your hat off in the house (or building). You didn't back talk or raise your voice to your parents.
I had my share of bullies, and when I stood up for myself, that was the end of it, and I also felt like I accomplished something---I grew as person.
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I'm just enjoying the absurdity that is tbombz top off an anti-bullying tirade of mocking someone, a form of bullying, by telling them they "got owned."
The level of irony in your approach of bullying people into not bullying people is breathtaking. So the only "feelings" on my part is a mix of amusement and bemusement over your involvement in this thread.
Shut the fuck up you little bitch, ;D, nobody is saying that the concept of ball busting should go away. These bullying laws aren't to reflect 90 percent of the population. These laws are to protect a minority of the population. As I said before if you compare your minor ball busting with the true victims your an insensitive chicken hawk.
The idea of the laws is to give some liability to the schools, who basically turn a blind eye to the shit, because there to afraid to put down some discipline(due to the law). If schools have a greater degree of liability it will motivate them to make a difference.
Seriously my few gay friends were terrorized by this shit, and they were helpless to do a thing about it. It was pretty fucked up if you ask me, again I've seen the same experience with the kids that are now suffer from mental health issues.
If your generally normal, you don't face fuck all in terms of bullying, but these kids get destroyed. And it ain't cuz there pussies as I assure you these people have crazy think skin.
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Sad story bro. What was his Getbig handle???
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I'm just enjoying the absurdity that is tbombz top off an anti-bullying tirade by mocking someone, a form of bullying, by telling them they "got owned."
The level of irony in your approach of bullying people into not bullying people is breathtaking. So the only "feelings" on my part is a mix of amusement and bemusement over your involvement in this thread.
this is getbig dumasss... if you dont understand our culture that aint my fault
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this is getbig dumasss... if you dont understand our culture that aint my fault
beautiful.
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beautiful.
around here its common knowledge that insults are affection in disguise. we give each other tough love. its a male thing. a form of bonding without the sappyness. get with the program