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Im on from March, end of March.
-750test, 600deca and sdrol (2 runs).
-deca was 16 weeks and test has been stable from there,
-sdrol was 4 weeks in the beginning and 3 weeks when I dropped deca at the 16 week mark.
Now,
Ive been doing hcg for 3 weeks now, one more week. 1500 e3d..broscience, dont ask why.
From next week I will drop to 250 test a week for 4 weeks and then cold turkey.
I want some opinions, my previous off went very very good... was actually very happy and enjoyed it lol seriously. I hope this one goes that good again.
I want some opinions.
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Im on from March, end of March.
-750test, 600deca and sdrol (2 runs).
-deca was 16 weeks and test has been stable from there,
-sdrol was 4 weeks in the beginning and 3 weeks when I dropped deca at the 16 week mark.
Now,
Ive been doing hcg for 3 weeks now, one more week. 1500 e3d..broscience, dont ask why.
From next week I will drop to 250 test a week for 4 weeks and then cold turkey.
I want some opinions, my previous off went very very good... was actually very happy and enjoyed it lol seriously. I hope this one goes that good again.
I want some opinions.
I've done several year + cycles, and come off for extended periods 3 times cold turkey. I, like you, enjoyed being off quite a bit for extended times and even seriously considered staying clean for life until I met theEsquire and started prepping him for his show and caught the bug because of his outrageous gains (63 lbs in one year while staying single digits bf).
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Im on from March, end of March.
-750test, 600deca and sdrol (2 runs).
-deca was 16 weeks and test has been stable from there,
-sdrol was 4 weeks in the beginning and 3 weeks when I dropped deca at the 16 week mark.
Now,
Ive been doing hcg for 3 weeks now, one more week. 1500 e3d..broscience, dont ask why.
From next week I will drop to 250 test a week for 4 weeks and then cold turkey.
I want some opinions, my previous off went very very good... was actually very happy and enjoyed it lol seriously. I hope this one goes that good again.
I want some opinions.
Giving your body a break from time to time is a good idea if your not tryin to go pro..do you run clomid or nolva?
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Giving your body a break from time to time is a good idea if your not tryin to go pro..do you run clomid or nolva?
No, are they really needed?
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In my opinion yes they are needed to help with recovery but some people opt to not use it..
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Im on from March, end of March.
-750test, 600deca and sdrol (2 runs).
-deca was 16 weeks and test has been stable from there,
-sdrol was 4 weeks in the beginning and 3 weeks when I dropped deca at the 16 week mark.
Now,
Ive been doing hcg for 3 weeks now, one more week. 1500 e3d..broscience, dont ask why.
From next week I will drop to 250 test a week for 4 weeks and then cold turkey.
I want some opinions, my previous off went very very good... was actually very happy and enjoyed it lol seriously. I hope this one goes that good again.
I want some opinions.
MESO NNNNNNOOOOOOOOOO!!!! Stay on bro ;D!
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MESO NNNNNNOOOOOOOOOO!!!! Stay on bro ;D!
Dont know man..I will do the 250 a week I was talking about, for couple weeks and see how I feel..If I feel like im ready, I will drop it to nothing and come off..
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i know its old fashioned, but i like to taper off,,, i know your body wont be making test at 250 a week anymore than it would at a gram a week, but i do think it helps ease back into being clean, physiologically too..
im due my winter beak soon, probly have a few more fun weeks then have a good 4 to 5 month off.. im 260+ at the moment, so i'll probly drop down to 230 after a few month, ive had 2 yr off and maintained that weight without looking too bad, loosing that semi pump and condition is depressing tho, you have to watch what u eat too, i can eat almost anything in consideration on, off a few slip ups and i look like shite!
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i know its old fashioned, but i like to taper off,,, i know your body wont be making test at 250 a week anymore than it would at a gram a week, but i do think it helps ease back into being clean, physiologically too..
im due my winter beak soon, probly have a few more fun weeks then have a good 4 to 5 month off.. im 260+ at the moment, so i'll probly drop down to 230 after a few month, ive had 2 yr off and maintained that weight without looking too bad, loosing that semi pump and condition is depressing tho, you have to watch what u eat too, i can eat almost anything in consideration on, off a few slip ups and i look like shite!
Cool..did you run any hcg back then or will you run again?
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i did,, but was given to me, so i took it anyway,,,,, i'll just use nolva this time, was thinking of giving some peps a go, not sure yet
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So its been like 8 weeks since i stopped the hcg (1500 e4d for around 4 weeks ). Overall im on 250 test a week for 8+ weeks.
Did my last test shot yesterday. I stopping now.
When should I run hcg, Should i start it right away :-\ ?
After those yrs of juicing Im still asking for advice.. i want 2nd advice..I feel like this time i come off for good it will be a disaster. :-X
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I've done several year + cycles, and come off for extended periods 3 times cold turkey. I, like you, enjoyed being off quite a bit for extended times and even seriously considered staying clean for life until I met theEsquire and started prepping him for his show and caught the bug because of his outrageous gains (63 lbs in one year while staying single digits bf).
damn, what did he run? a lot of drol test and deca?
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So its been like 8 weeks since i stopped the hcg (1500 e4d for around 4 weeks ). Overall im on 250 test a week for 8+ weeks.
Did my last test shot yesterday. I stopping now.
When should I run hcg, Should i start it right away :-\ ?
After those yrs of juicing Im still asking for advice.. i want 2nd advice..I feel like this time i come off for good it will be a disaster. :-X
yeah, start the hcg now and then run it right up to your pct since hcg is suppressive. drop it when you start pct
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yeah, start the hcg now and then run it right up to your pct since hcg is suppressive. drop it when you start pct
I thought hcg would be my pct.. no?
I never understood how pct works.. so. ;D
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how was sdrol
nasty sides eh? ;D
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how was sdrol
nasty sides eh? ;D
hahahaha... ;D ;D :D :D
stroke in a bottle. ;D
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I thought hcg would be my pct.. no?
I never understood how pct works.. so. ;D
the treid n tested is hcg 10 days after your last shot, have a shot ed for 10 days still... novla 7 days after 1st shot, take for 30 plus days
i cant recall dosages for hcg, im comming off in a week or so's time, so i'll dig up the info, got it wrote down somwhere
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the treid n tested is hcg 10 days after your last shot, have a shot ed for 10 days still... novla 7 days after 1st shot, take for 30 plus days
i cant recall dosages for hcg, im comming off in a week or so's time, so i'll dig up the info, got it wrote down somwhere
Thanks man,
please look for that info and post it here... :) 8)
so the hcg goes 10 days after last test shot and nolva 7 days after 1st hcg shot fo 30 days? or am i wrong? ???
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I'm doing the same thing after christmas. Im thinking about using some Lr3 Igf from a good supplier it helps keep you pumped and full. I also use a couple different natural test boosters. Prob use clomid 50mg ed for the first 4 weeks. I fucken hate it but I feel like I need to be off for at least 3-4 months a year.
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I'm doing the same thing after christmas. Im thinking about using some Lr3 Igf from a good supplier it helps keep you pumped and full. I also use a couple different natural test boosters. Prob use clomid 50mg ed for the first 4 weeks. I fucken hate it but I feel like I need to be off for at least 3-4 months a year.
About test boosters? what would you recommend?
Last time i did the bulgarian tribestan for like 8 weeks....after 1.5-2 yrs on (read my other thread) and recovered great and felt great...but i dont know if the tribulus really worked...might have been my ability to recover. who knows.
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About test boosters? what would you recommend?
Last time i did the bulgarian tribestan for like 8 weeks....after 1.5-2 yrs on (read my other thread) and recovered great and felt great...but i dont know if the tribulus really worked...might have been my ability to recover. who knows.
I used trib once before and really liked it. Made me horny as hell! Like having to jerk off 2-3 times a day horny. I also use dermacrine sustain.
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Thanks man,
please look for that info and post it here... :) 8)
so the hcg goes 10 days after last test shot and nolva 7 days after 1st hcg shot fo 30 days? or am i wrong? ???
thats correct........... still looking for the dose,,, be in some note pad somwhere!
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About test boosters? what would you recommend?
Last time i did the bulgarian tribestan for like 8 weeks....after 1.5-2 yrs on (read my other thread) and recovered great and felt great...but i dont know if the tribulus really worked...might have been my ability to recover. who knows.
d-aspartic acid works and it's the supplement in those test boosters that causes the increase in natural test production
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About test boosters? what would you recommend?
Last time i did the bulgarian tribestan for like 8 weeks....after 1.5-2 yrs on (read my other thread) and recovered great and felt great...but i dont know if the tribulus really worked...might have been my ability to recover. who knows.
Well even Sibil said that tribulus doesn't work, and she likes to pushi supps.
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About test boosters? what would you recommend?
Test E 500mg per week :D
None of that herbal shit works, gtfo if you think it does, I work selling the rubbish and I have no problem telling customers its shit and all placebo or in your head, mind is a powerful tool. ;)
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Well even Sibil said that tribulus doesn't work, and she likes to pushi supps.
So what does she recommend when comming off?
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So what does she recommend when comming off?
Her personal service, she will personally make sure to get your test levels into the normal range ;D
someone just asked her at her Q&A if it's legit test booster and she asid that it doesn't work.
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Last time I just tapered off down to 250mg every 5th day for a few weeks. Then just came off. No hcg, nolva or clomid. First few weeks were just ok. Started eating more carbs and felt fine after. I love taking time off. I stay training heavy. I lose fullness but I stay fairly large. The beauty of it is - if you come off you can always go back on!
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Pussy.
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If your going to come off completely, just do it cold turkey, all those other things will just impede on your body's natural balancing out of it's hormones. No nolva, no clomid, nothing, they will just make the coming back period even longer, your body can recover by itself.
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If your going to come off completely, just do it cold turkey, all those other things will just impede on your body's natural balancing out of it's hormones. No nolva, no clomid, nothing, they will just make the coming back period even longer, your body can recover by itself.
well i think nolva and clomid are indeed "useless"...cant say the same about hcg though.
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If your going to come off completely, just do it cold turkey, all those other things will just impede on your body's natural balancing out of it's hormones. No nolva, no clomid, nothing, they will just make the coming back period even longer, your body can recover by itself.
nah... maybe if your under 25, but if youve been on long term and hitting 30 plus you do need a little help...
tapering off and pct,,,, just speaking from my own experience... i was able to maintain 230/235 in ok condtion for 2 yr clean doing this last time out
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nah... maybe if your under 25, but if youve been on long term and hitting 30 plus you do need a little help...
tapering off and pct,,,, just speaking from my own experience... i was able to maintain 230/235 in ok condtion for 2 yr clean doing this last time out
have you found the pct plan yet man? ;D
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Pussy.
Why am i a "pussy"?
because I want to rely on my own test production and not be dependant on an amp for the rest of my life?
I dont get it.
I love bbing but it gets me nowhere. If i had the money to do worthy cycles, yes I would stay on...but why bother on test and maybe an oral..
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have you found the pct plan yet man? ;D
i'll pm you soon as i do.............
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i'll pm you soon as i do.............
Me to bro.
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Why am i a "pussy"?
because I want to rely on my own test production and not be dependant on an amp for the rest of my life?
I dont get it.
I love bbing but it gets me nowhere. If i had the money to do worthy cycles, yes I would stay on...but why bother on test and maybe an oral..
Just a joke, good luck with your goals. :-*
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one word: clomid.. restore natural test like nothing else. before when i was on i had small balls, now i take between 50-100mg ed during cycle and balls are normal all the time even when on 200mg of tren ed.. just try it
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Just a joke, good luck with your goals. :-*
;D 8)
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HCG - Day 1-10: 1,000iu/ed
Followed by:
WK 1: Nolva 40mg/ed
WK 2: Nolva 40mg/ed
WK 3: Nolva 40mg/ed
WK 4: Nolva 20mg/ed
WK 5: Nolva 20mg/ed
or
HCG - Day 1-10: 1,000iu/ed
Followed by:
WK 1: Clomid 150mg/ed
WK 2: Clomid 150mg/ed
WK 3: Clomid 100mg/ed
WK 4: Clomid 50mg/ed
WK 5: Clomid 50mg/ed
With or without these plans it's going to take some time for your body to recover. Even with one of these plans it's going to take several months. But, you will reduce the total recovery time.
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d-aspartic acid works and it's the supplement in those test boosters that causes the increase in natural test production
This!! DAA is some bad ass sh#t. I've ran clomid, nolv, hcg, etc. for PCT. Hands down DAA is the best, its not even close. I will say you have to up the dosage quite a bit, but it is one of those you can actually feel bringing you back.
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HCG - Day 1-10: 1,000iu/ed
Followed by:
WK 1: Nolva 40mg/ed
WK 2: Nolva 40mg/ed
WK 3: Nolva 40mg/ed
WK 4: Nolva 20mg/ed
WK 5: Nolva 20mg/ed
or
HCG - Day 1-10: 1,000iu/ed
Followed by:
WK 1: Clomid 150mg/ed
WK 2: Clomid 150mg/ed
WK 3: Clomid 100mg/ed
WK 4: Clomid 50mg/ed
WK 5: Clomid 50mg/ed
With or without these plans it's going to take some time for your body to recover. Even with one of these plans it's going to take several months. But, you will reduce the total recovery time.
About hcg..is it 10 days after the last test shot?
Why is it ed? I thought It was better to run it e3d or e4d..
And nolva starts right after I finish the hcg right?
Thanks Arnold 8)
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This!! DAA is some bad ass sh#t. I've ran clomid, nolv, hcg, etc. for PCT. Hands down DAA is the best, its not even close. I will say you have to up the dosage quite a bit, but it is one of those you can actually feel bringing you back.
hmmm is it really that good? Im going to look into this, thanks. :)
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This!! DAA is some bad ass sh#t. I've ran clomid, nolv, hcg, etc. for PCT. Hands down DAA is the best, its not even close. I will say you have to up the dosage quite a bit, but it is one of those you can actually feel bringing you back.
Do you just buy pure d-aspartic acid??? How much do you take and for how long???
More details would be awesome....
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About hcg..is it 10 days after the last test shot?
Why is it ed? I thought It was better to run it e3d or e4d..
And nolva starts right after I finish the hcg right?
Thanks Arnold 8)
When HCG starts depends on how your cycle ends. If your cycle ends with any large ester base steroids HCG use will begin approximately 10 days after your last injection. If your cycle ends with all small ester base steroids your HCG use will begin approximately 2-3 days after your last injection.
The e3d or e4d protocol you're referring to is what some do when they use HCG while on cycle. Which is something while I was a fan of at one time I am not anymore. In-fact, I don't like the idea of on-cycle HCG use at all.
Nolva starts the day after your HCG use ends. You could even begin the Nolva the last few days of HCG use if you wanted, say the last 2-3 days and just make WK 1 of your Nolva use a 10 day WK but I'm not sure if it would be all that beneficial. There are some that say it is but I don't see it.
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When HCG starts depends on how your cycle ends. If your cycle ends with any large ester base steroids HCG use will begin approximately 10 days after your last injection. If your cycle ends with all small ester base steroids your HCG use will begin approximately 2-3 days after your last injection.
The e3d or e4d protocol you're referring to is what some do when they use HCG while on cycle. Which is something while I was a fan of at one time I am not anymore. In-fact, I don't like the idea of on-cycle HCG use at all.
Nolva starts the day after your HCG use ends. You could even begin the Nolva the last few days of HCG use if you wanted, say the last 2-3 days and just make WK 1 of your Nolva use a 10 day WK but I'm not sure if it would be all that beneficial. There are some that say it is but I don't see it.
Ok, got it Arnold. Thanks a lot.
Now, about the dosage of hcg. I can only find 1500ui amps...is it ok x10 days or too much?
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Ok, got it Arnold. Thanks a lot.
Now, about the dosage of hcg. I can only find 1500ui amps...is it ok x10 days or too much?
I'd do 1,000iu/ed for 10 days, so you'd need more than 1 amp. You'd need 7 amps at that dose.
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Do you just buy pure d-aspartic acid??? How much do you take and for how long???
More details would be awesome....
3grams a day, run as long as you want. sodium d-aspartic acid, look up "Serious nutritions D-aspartic Acid 150gr powder" it will show up on amazon or wherever else it's sold but i don't want to link it since i think when you link on amazon it shows who was the referrer
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I'd do 1,000iu/ed for 10 days, so you'd need more than 1 amp. You'd need 7 amps at that dose.
What if i do 1500ui for 10 days? 8) Sounds too much eh? :-\ ???
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Do you just buy pure d-aspartic acid??? How much do you take and for how long???
More details would be awesome....
I was buying Patrick Arnolds Test Force and then switched to Nutraplanets bulk version. I can't realty tell a difference between the two. I take 9-12 g a day and can definitely feel it more than the standard protocols.
I think it's kind of useless as a stand alone supplement. But when used for pct, it really shines.
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What if i do 1500ui for 10 days? 8) Sounds too much eh? :-\ ???
Might help out a little but it might be a little overkill...hard to say. But I doubt it would hurt anything.
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yep, was 1000 iu ed...... as far as im concerned it did help, after the initial weight loss, i maintained my size easily, im sure youl be the same
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Might help out a little but it might be a little overkill...hard to say. But I doubt it would hurt anything.
wise man speaking
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Thank you guys, im going to try this protocol. in about 4 days im starting. 8)
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I feel like my brother died. Or told us he was gay. Say it ain't so, Meso :'(
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I feel like my brother died. Or told us he was gay. Say it ain't so, Meso :'(
;D ;D
Man, im broke as hell right now...cant afford it.
Sorry for letting you down big guy.. :'( ;D :'( :-\
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Dude I told you I'd send you some bottles LOL.
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What would you guys use after hcg, clomid or nolva? ??? :-\ what are the differences between those two and your personal experiences.. :)
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i prefer nolva.......... ive used both and ust think nolva does the job better, just my personal preference
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i prefer nolva.......... ive used both and ust think nolva does the job better, just my personal preference
What about both? Best results I ever had was 100mg clomid for the first week and then 50mg ed for 3-5 weeks. I was using some tribulus and a some creatine. I actually kept a lot of my gains. I was using 50mcg of igf-1 bilaterrly. That really helped me keep a pump. Before workout I had a carbo force with a scoop of protien blended in very delicious!
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Guys I missed a day of pregnyl did 3 days 1500 ui but missed yesterday I was out of syringes and it was midnight too sleepy to go out and find. lol. I hope it wont hurt that i missed a day right? :-\ :-X
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If you come off and nothing works, make sure you have an AI and a DA on hand to deal with any estrogen/prolactin issues that might be keeping you shutdown.
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Guys I missed a day of pregnyl did 3 days 1500 ui but missed yesterday I was out of syringes and it was midnight too sleepy to go out and find. lol. I hope it wont hurt that i missed a day right? :-\ :-X
1500 iu is too much bro... so no, it won't hurt you. 250iu to 350iu twice weekly is a good protocol that's less likely to overstimulate your Leydigs
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Guys I missed a day of pregnyl did 3 days 1500 ui but missed yesterday I was out of syringes and it was midnight too sleepy to go out and find. lol. I hope it wont hurt that i missed a day right? :-\ :-X
You'll be fine. Just pick up where you left off.
1500 iu is too much bro... so no, it won't hurt you. 250iu to 350iu twice weekly is a good protocol that's less likely to overstimulate your Leydigs
He's in his PCT period, he's not on-cycle. 250-350 isn't going to do anything for him at this stage and 10-12 days at 1,500 (although 1,000iu is all that's necessary IMO) won't do any damage.
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You'll be fine. Just pick up where you left off.
He's in his PCT period, he's not on-cycle. 250-350 isn't going to do anything for him at this stage and 10-12 days at 1,500 (although 1,000iu is all that's necessary IMO) won't do any damage.
At what dosages are we talking about real damage?
Thank you guys. :)
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At what dosages are we talking about real damage?
Thank you guys. :)
You start getting into the 20+ day use with high doses during PCT you could start doing some damage.
A lot of guys, more than realize actually do more damage to the HPTA during the actual cycle HCG than they realize when they rely on it for month and months on end year after year.
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You start getting into the 20+ day use with high doses during PCT you could start doing some damage.
A lot of guys, more than realize actually do more damage to the HPTA during the actual cycle HCG than they realize when they rely on it for month and months on end year after year.
What would you prefer afterwards? clomid or nolva? :)
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Why are you going off for broham ? Money etc ? or just want a break ?
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Why are you going off for broham ? Money etc ? or just want a break ?
Money man... money, school, gf, some legal issues I have. Cant even eat as I would like to.
Its just doent worth it...and If I did continue cycling cant do anything else besides test..cant afford anything else right now..so with only test its pointless.
Im gonna take a break and hope to be financial better in the future to do a 1 yr blast...sometime..
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What would you prefer afterwards? clomid or nolva? :)
Either will work just as well if you dose them right. Most guys don't run enough Clomid when they use it that. For example, 40mg of Nolva, to equal that in Clomid you'd need around 150mg. Again, for PCT purposes one is just as good as the other.
Money man... money, school, gf, some legal issues I have. Cant even eat as I would like to.
Its just doent worth it...and If I did continue cycling cant do anything else besides test..cant afford anything else right now..so with only test its pointless.
Im gonna take a break and hope to be financial better in the future to do a 1 yr blast...sometime..
If you're going to come off of everything for awhile you're doing the right thing running a PCT. It won't recover you outright, but it will improve the total recovery time and hopefully help you avoid a major crash. Once PCT has is complete and a few wks pass your test levels will more than likely dip down a little, but with a good PCT plan in your rear view mirror they shouldn't dip nearly as low as they would have without and you should have enough natural testosterone production for your body to function properly. Granted, it will still be lower than what's optimal but it should be high enough for proper function and should continue to increase.
As far as nothing but test...you might be surprised what a difference a low dose of test makes compared to nothing at all. If you were to stay off completely for a long time and then started running a TRT level of test, say 200mg every 7-10 days, you'd be pretty surprised in the difference.
People often make light of TRT doses when they become used to full blown cycles....I used to be one of them. But 18months of nothing and then a TRT script, that script is one of the most valuable things I own.
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Either will work just as well if you dose them right. Most guys don't run enough Clomid when they use it that. For example, 40mg of Nolva, to equal that in Clomid you'd need around 150mg. Again, for PCT purposes one is just as good as the other.
If you're going to come off of everything for awhile you're doing the right thing running a PCT. It won't recover you outright, but it will improve the total recovery time and hopefully help you avoid a major crash. Once PCT has is complete and a few wks pass your test levels will more than likely dip down a little, but with a good PCT plan in your rear view mirror they shouldn't dip nearly as low as they would have without and you should have enough natural testosterone production for your body to function properly. Granted, it will still be lower than what's optimal but it should be high enough for proper function and should continue to increase.
As far as nothing but test...you might be surprised what a difference a low dose of test makes compared to nothing at all. If you were to stay off completely for a long time and then started running a TRT level of test, say 200mg every 7-10 days, you'd be pretty surprised in the difference.
People often make light of TRT doses when they become used to full blown cycles....I used to be one of them. But 18months of nothing and then a TRT script, that script is one of the most valuable things I own.
What are the differences between nolva and clomid? Ive always used them "just because" I had read a pct plan or something, never ever did I researched them by myself.
Also, what would you recommend as a test booster? some guys above mentioned d-aspartic acid.
As far as TRT goes, im like 23-24 cant stand the thought I would be dependant on an amp for the rest of my life, at least not that early..
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I have not heard anybody mention DHEA. I think DHEA is one of the most overlooked pct items. you really only need 5 shots of 1,500 IU's of HCG maybe 10shots for you since you have been on for so long. I personally use HCG 1,500 HCG 4 -5 shots one EOD then I use both novla and clomid. nolva fucks with my vision for some reason makes me a tad dizzy at times. my eyes get a little blurry but that was mainly on some crappy IBE liquid nolva.
I use pharmacy tabs now both with the nolva and clomid. clomid is real important-IMO. they made my testes come back to life. I hate to say it but my testes did shrink! but the clomid brought them back to full size. clomid is a great PCT drug. I would run it over nolva anyday but it is good to use some nolva some guys use it for a month. 1st week- 20mg, 2nd week-30mg 3rd week 40mg 4th week 40mg. now the tabs I get are 20mg so taking 30mg I have to split them . most of these guys who suggest using it in that fashion use the liquid stuff sold by IBE or other reserach companys I don't think IBE is even around anymore. Now of days I just stick to 20mg nolva for just a few weeks.and take 100mg clomid for a few weeks. then I start using DHEA and tribex
some people dont believe in herbal supplements and some do. I think they work and it stacks good with DHEA. I think a good natural stack is trib and DHEA. both are super cheap. DHEA changes some peoples lives. usually older people but it is a great PCT choice-IMO. I dont know why you guys stay on so long? I get my gains in the first month always pick-up about 20 pounds within the first 4 weeks then just continue the cycle for another 4 weeks to get strength gains and gives me time to introduce my cutting drugs before I come off.. A 8 week blitz cycle can work great if you know how to run them right.
Author L.Rea wrote a book called building the perfect beast and he preaches alot about blitz cycles. this way you can recover quickly not fuck up your HPTA to bad and can cycle again within a few months if you want. Now if you are shooting to be a Pro it is diffrent you have to run gear at least 10 months out of the year. HGH all year. but when a pro comes off for a few months they always continue HGH and usually the HCG,novla and clomid,DHEA. I got my PCT from a powerlifter who is a olympic power-lifter and I can list his exact PCT. but he was the one who turned me on to DHEA. when you buy DHEA or a good trib product buy it at whole foods somewhere that buy very high quality products. they do not sell crap. and DHEA is cheap! so is a good trbulus. but I would definatey use these two compounds after your HCG and clomid and nolva.Like I already said I just don't get it? why go on for so long? unless you are doing shows or are a pro.
basically Author L. Reas
blitz cycle theory is to megadose for 8 weeks and you will get the same gains as you would from a &guy cycle and you can recover without doing to much damage to the HPTA
and can go back on fairly quickly if you want to. this theory I think is more for gymrats but this is what I do. even my next cycle where I was planning on running for alot longer I might just change it to a blitz cycle I will bulk for 4 weeks then use my cutting drugs for 4 weeks, I like this approach because I get all my gains after 4-5 weeks and then just use the gear for strength after 8 weeks I then get into PCT. after the HCG,Nolva and clomid. I can keep some size just using DHEA,Trib and usually I use Vitargo CGL. It is a good creatine blend with vitargo(waixy starch maize) it really does give you some strength. I can tell. this creatine you have to load for 5 days meaning 2 drinks a day and then after that 1 drink a day. But I am not bullshitting it is not a garbage product. It will help you keep your gains. also HGH is the best choice to use for your PCT if you want to keep your gains. sounds like cash is an issue. Since I do not compete I only run 1 cycle a year near spring/summer time I do run a small amount of HGh all year but just 4Iu's and my natural test always comes back up in the high 700's after a few months.this is without the DHEA as well. I think your doing the right thing by coming off mezo-repair your body so you dont have to use Test shots every week. Bodybuilding can become a addiction and so can the drugs involved. You have to be careful.good luck. hope everything works out. and remeber there is nothing wrong with running HGH year long.It is just spendy
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Soon im starting clomid fellas..
Its a fertility drug im im not mistaken right?
Should I be carefull when I f*** my gf without any rubber during the time i take this stuff? :-\
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What are the differences between nolva and clomid? Ive always used them "just because" I had read a pct plan or something, never ever did I researched them by myself.
Also, what would you recommend as a test booster? some guys above mentioned d-aspartic acid.
As far as TRT goes, im like 23-24 cant stand the thought I would be dependant on an amp for the rest of my life,
When it comes to PCT there's not any difference of any note. Both stimulate the release of LH and FSH...primarily LH which is the most important.
Test boosters .....most things in the store are crap. You can do more for your test levels by eating red meat, whole eggs and nuts and sleeping 8-9hrs a night than any OTC booster
As for your other question, clomid is used for ovarian stimulation, that has nothing to do with you.