Thinking about comming off completely again..

[Meso_z]

Well even Sibil said that tribulus doesn't work, and she likes to pushi supps.

So what does she recommend when comming off?

[notsureifsrs]

So what does she recommend when comming off?

Her personal service, she will personally make sure to get your test levels into the normal range 

someone just asked her at her Q&A if it's legit test booster and she asid that it doesn't work.

[d0nny2600]

Last time I just tapered off down to 250mg every 5th day for a few weeks. Then just came off. No hcg, nolva or clomid. First few weeks were just ok. Started eating more carbs and felt fine after. I love taking time off. I stay training heavy. I lose fullness but I stay fairly large. The beauty of it is - if you come off you can always go back on!

[Swlabr]

Pussy.

[reppingfor20]

If your going to come off completely, just do it cold turkey, all those other things will just impede on your body's natural balancing out of it's hormones.  No nolva, no clomid, nothing, they will just make the coming back period even longer, your body can recover by itself.

[Meso_z]

If your going to come off completely, just do it cold turkey, all those other things will just impede on your body's natural balancing out of it's hormones.  No nolva, no clomid, nothing, they will just make the coming back period even longer, your body can recover by itself.

well i think nolva and clomid are indeed "useless"...cant say the same about hcg though.

[local hero]

If your going to come off completely, just do it cold turkey, all those other things will just impede on your body's natural balancing out of it's hormones.  No nolva, no clomid, nothing, they will just make the coming back period even longer, your body can recover by itself.

nah... maybe if your under 25, but if youve been on long term and hitting 30 plus you do need a little help...


tapering off and pct,,,, just speaking from my own experience... i was able to maintain 230/235 in ok condtion for 2 yr clean doing this last time out

[Meso_z]

nah... maybe if your under 25, but if youve been on long term and hitting 30 plus you do need a little help...


tapering off and pct,,,, just speaking from my own experience... i was able to maintain 230/235 in ok condtion for 2 yr clean doing this last time out

have you found the pct plan yet man?   

[Meso_z]

Pussy.

Why am i a "pussy"?

because I want to rely on my own test production and not be dependant on an amp for the rest of my life?

I dont get it.

I love bbing but it gets me nowhere. If i had the money to do worthy cycles, yes I would stay on...but why bother on test and maybe an oral..  

[local hero]

have you found the pct plan yet man?   

i'll pm you soon as i do.............

[makaveli25]

i'll pm you soon as i do.............

Me to bro.

[Swlabr]

Why am i a "pussy"?

because I want to rely on my own test production and not be dependant on an amp for the rest of my life?

I dont get it.

I love bbing but it gets me nowhere. If i had the money to do worthy cycles, yes I would stay on...but why bother on test and maybe an oral.. 

Just a joke, good luck with your goals.

[lesaucer]

one word: clomid.. restore natural test like nothing else. before when i was on i had small balls, now i take between 50-100mg ed during cycle and balls are normal all the time even when on 200mg of tren ed.. just try it

[Meso_z]

Just a joke, good luck with your goals.

 

[Arnold jr]

HCG - Day 1-10: 1,000iu/ed
Followed by:
WK 1: Nolva 40mg/ed
WK 2: Nolva 40mg/ed
WK 3: Nolva 40mg/ed
WK 4: Nolva 20mg/ed
WK 5: Nolva 20mg/ed

or

HCG - Day 1-10: 1,000iu/ed
Followed by:
WK 1: Clomid 150mg/ed
WK 2: Clomid 150mg/ed
WK 3: Clomid 100mg/ed
WK 4: Clomid 50mg/ed
WK 5: Clomid 50mg/ed

With or without these plans it's going to take some time for your body to recover. Even with one of these plans it's going to take several months. But, you will reduce the total recovery time.

[thelamefalsehood]

d-aspartic acid works and it's the supplement in those test boosters that causes the increase in natural test production

This!! DAA is some bad ass sh#t. I've ran clomid, nolv, hcg, etc. for PCT. Hands down DAA is the best, its not even close. I will say you have to up the dosage quite a bit, but it is one of those you can actually feel bringing you back.

[Meso_z]

HCG - Day 1-10: 1,000iu/ed
Followed by:
WK 1: Nolva 40mg/ed
WK 2: Nolva 40mg/ed
WK 3: Nolva 40mg/ed
WK 4: Nolva 20mg/ed
WK 5: Nolva 20mg/ed

or

HCG - Day 1-10: 1,000iu/ed
Followed by:
WK 1: Clomid 150mg/ed
WK 2: Clomid 150mg/ed
WK 3: Clomid 100mg/ed
WK 4: Clomid 50mg/ed
WK 5: Clomid 50mg/ed

With or without these plans it's going to take some time for your body to recover. Even with one of these plans it's going to take several months. But, you will reduce the total recovery time.

About hcg..is it 10 days after the last test shot?

Why is it ed? I thought It was better to run it e3d or e4d..

And nolva starts right after I finish the hcg right?

Thanks Arnold

[Meso_z]

This!! DAA is some bad ass sh#t. I've ran clomid, nolv, hcg, etc. for PCT. Hands down DAA is the best, its not even close. I will say you have to up the dosage quite a bit, but it is one of those you can actually feel bringing you back.

hmmm is it really that good? Im going to look into this, thanks. 

[Mega Man]

This!! DAA is some bad ass sh#t. I've ran clomid, nolv, hcg, etc. for PCT. Hands down DAA is the best, its not even close. I will say you have to up the dosage quite a bit, but it is one of those you can actually feel bringing you back.

Do you just buy pure d-aspartic acid??? How much do you take and for how long???

More details would be awesome....

[Arnold jr]

About hcg..is it 10 days after the last test shot?

Why is it ed? I thought It was better to run it e3d or e4d..

And nolva starts right after I finish the hcg right?

Thanks Arnold

When HCG starts depends on how your cycle ends. If your cycle ends with any large ester base steroids HCG use will begin approximately 10 days after your last injection. If your cycle ends with all small ester base steroids your HCG use will begin approximately 2-3 days after your last injection.

The e3d or e4d protocol you're referring to is what some do when they use HCG while on cycle. Which is something while I was a fan of at one time I am not anymore. In-fact, I don't like the idea of on-cycle HCG use at all.

Nolva starts the day after your HCG use ends. You could even begin the Nolva the last few days of HCG use if you wanted, say the last 2-3 days and just make WK 1 of your Nolva use a 10 day WK but I'm not sure if it would be all that beneficial. There are some that say it is but I don't see it.

[Meso_z]

When HCG starts depends on how your cycle ends. If your cycle ends with any large ester base steroids HCG use will begin approximately 10 days after your last injection. If your cycle ends with all small ester base steroids your HCG use will begin approximately 2-3 days after your last injection.

The e3d or e4d protocol you're referring to is what some do when they use HCG while on cycle. Which is something while I was a fan of at one time I am not anymore. In-fact, I don't like the idea of on-cycle HCG use at all.

Nolva starts the day after your HCG use ends. You could even begin the Nolva the last few days of HCG use if you wanted, say the last 2-3 days and just make WK 1 of your Nolva use a 10 day WK but I'm not sure if it would be all that beneficial. There are some that say it is but I don't see it.

Ok, got it Arnold. Thanks a lot.

Now, about the dosage of hcg. I can only find 1500ui amps...is it ok x10 days or too much?

[Arnold jr]

Ok, got it Arnold. Thanks a lot.

Now, about the dosage of hcg. I can only find 1500ui amps...is it ok x10 days or too much?

I'd do 1,000iu/ed for 10 days, so you'd need more than 1 amp. You'd need 7 amps at that dose.

[aesthetics]

Do you just buy pure d-aspartic acid??? How much do you take and for how long???

More details would be awesome....

3grams a day, run as long as you want. sodium d-aspartic acid, look up "Serious nutritions D-aspartic Acid 150gr powder" it will show up on amazon or wherever else it's sold but i don't want to link it since i think when you link on amazon it shows who was the referrer

[Meso_z]

I'd do 1,000iu/ed for 10 days, so you'd need more than 1 amp. You'd need 7 amps at that dose.

What if i do 1500ui for 10 days?  Sounds too much eh?   

[thelamefalsehood]

Do you just buy pure d-aspartic acid??? How much do you take and for how long???

More details would be awesome....

I was buying Patrick Arnolds Test Force and then switched to Nutraplanets bulk version. I can't realty tell a difference between the two.  I take 9-12 g a day and can definitely feel it more than the standard protocols.
I think it's kind of useless as a stand alone supplement. But when used for pct, it really shines.