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its getting a bit rediculous around here latley
folks theres no magical recouperation time. infact there is no "time" only perfect physics of motion around the sun
doing 2 reps isnt going to make you magically do 3 next time.
but yet even veterans are vigirously trying to devolop new routines for maximum gaynes
i beginning to wonder if any of you get any thing really accomplished in life
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excellent post falcon. i completely agree with you on this point. those diagrams in the dr. squat thread seem ridiculous to me.
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I wouldn't know, I don't keep track of that garbage.
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I wouldn't know, I don't keep track of that garbage.
i used to and it goes something like this the more reps+pounds total you do the more conditioned you become whilst tailoring calories appropriatley
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excellent post falcon. i completely agree with you on this point. those diagrams in the dr. squat thread seem ridiculous to me.
yes i have that book i think from the late 70's or early 80's. all the info in it seems cool and interesting on paper but none of that shit is useful at all.
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Lift a weight
Eat a steak
Lift a bigger weight
Eat a bigger steak
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etc.
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ok good i was getting worried that no one would agree with me
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Lift heavy shit
Eat lots of dead animal
Rest
Repeat
Winning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D
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FLEX MAGAZINE SAYS THE OPPOSITE!! REPS AND TIMING AND SETS MATTER!
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Flex magazine is your scientific basis for training?
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Flex magazine is your scientific basis for training?
Yes. I have a shrine dedicated to flex magazine. Flex magazine = the ultimate science for weightlifting.
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its getting a bit rediculous around here latley
folks theres no magical recouperation time. infact there is no "time" only perfect physics of motion around the sun
doing 2 reps isnt going to make you magically do 3 next time.
but yet even veterans are vigirously trying to devolop new routines for maximum gaynes
i beginning to wonder if any of you get any thing really accomplished in life
BOOM!!
Johnny Falcon bringing the brutal truth.
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but what is making these people beleive that some silly pattern is going to give them more muscle gaynes and is going to bypass the laws of phsyics of just simply lifting heavy shit to get bigger/stronger
but what is making these people beleive that some silly pattern is going to give them more muscle gaynes ???
but what is making these people beleive that some silly pattern is going to give them more muscle gaynes ???
seriously i hate to see humanity at such a dumb state in this era of realization (for some...)
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excellent post falcon. i completely agree with you on this point. those diagrams in the dr. squat thread seem ridiculous to me.
what thread is this?
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Does any one pick up any books on physiology, anatomy or kinesiology or do you pull shit out of your asses? JF...you first.
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Does any one pick up any books on physiology, anatomy or kinesiology or do you pull shit out of your asses? JF...you first.
Coach, I don't care enough to learn about physiology, anatomy or kinesiology, as I am sure most people here don't. This is not my profession. Its a hobby for me and for most people here.
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Does any one pick up any books on physiology, anatomy or kinesiology or do you pull shit out of your asses? JF...you first.
Now you know how we feel when you talk politics...
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Now you know how we feel when you talk politics...
I've proven that as well. Look at the polls then look at the approval ratings of YOUR president. Hope this helps.
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what thread is this?
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?PHPSESSID=a96d1aa82d07fb6e0a87994ba94d10a3&topic=396641.0
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I've proven that as well. Look at the polls then look at the approval ratings of YOUR president. Hope this helps.
You havent proven a god damn thing...talk to me after Nov. 4 next year when you have a bewildered.look on your face wondering how the fuck could this have happened...same question i asked when your asshat bush got reelected.
Till then you and your other cronies keep hating....im gonna laugh so.hard.when it happens like i did.when he got elected and you were pissed....lmao
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Wiggs, if he wins (and he just may) it because there are A LOT of dumb ass people...lazy people, still hoping for that handout. You actually think this clown can win on his past history? lol. Lots of dumb MFer's out there.
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Does any one pick up any books on physiology, anatomy or kinesiology or do you pull shit out of your asses? JF...you first.
you dont need to know all the parts of a car in order to drive a car dumbass
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Worst fucking analogy ever. You aren't commenting on the car your questioning how it works. Dumbass!
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Worst fucking analogy ever. You aren't commenting on the car your questioning how it works. Dumbass!
Having been a poli sci and econ major in college, I'm going to jump at the opportunity for a political debate. To start, I'm very moderate in my views, not extreme to left or right either way. However, to play devils advocate here Coach, you must admit, President Obama was handed a disaster caused by, and not really even arguably, the worst president in history. I respect George W. Bush as a politician because even as fucked up as he may have left things, when he wanted a policy change or anything for that matter to get accomplished, he got it done about 95% of the time. Now, were the things he was changing and accomplinshing beneficial for our country, no, but he was a great politician. Then again, so was Hitler if you look at things from that perspective. Even Obama said all through his campaign leading up to the election that the necessary changes to correct the problems in this nation would take well beyond the 8 years he could possibly be president. He made it clear that change would be slow and things would get worse before better. Hell, even Mccain didn't want his possible election to be associated in any way with the former President because he knew how bad things had become and knew he'd have no shot of winning if he didn't make it clear that things would be different and he would bring change to issues that his party had caused.
My point is... of course Obama looks bad right now, but I don't think any other person in the world could be doing significantly better. If you hand a texas hold em' player 7-2 off suit, the only thing he can hope for is to see the flop for free and get lucky. Obama got handed 7-2 off suit and he's doing as well with it as anyone else could have. Our countries problems can only be fixed over slow, committed, long term change. We as Americans however have a tough time buying into that as we all need our immediate gratification. Regardless of who is elected in '12, don't be shocked when things are still not sunshine and rainbows in the USA.
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The problem with our current government and the US political system in general is that it is geared entirely around winning elections. Nobody actually wants to make the country a better place or do what's best for the largest portion of people; they want to win their next election. So you get a guy in office (e.g. Obama), takes a year to get settled in, might try to do some things the 2nd year, then it's time to work on getting re-elected again.
Obama in particular set himself up for a rough time I think by running such an incredible campaign. The 2008 election was such an overwhelming victory not just for him but for the Democratic party as a whole that I think it really opened some eyes in the GOP, who could have gone one of two ways afterwards:
(1) Realize they're not what the American people want in their leaders at the moment and shift left, work with the left, or try a different approach altogether (not what happened)
(2) Galvanize their party together and redouble their efforts, re-energize their base, i.e. stick it to the Democrats (what happened)
So now we're at a point where the two parties are completely gridlocked and won't work together at all, because if say you're a Republican and you support something a Democrat does, you'll get massacred by your in-party rivals in the next primary for doing so (and vice-versa for the Dems). Both parties just oppose and renounce any and everything the other party does, simply because it's "the other party", and it's all geared around greed, power, and winning, and not at all around what's actually important.
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The problem with our current government and the US political system in general is that it is geared entirely around winning elections. Nobody actually wants to make the country a better place or do what's best for the largest portion of people; they want to win their next election. So you get a guy in office (e.g. Obama), takes a year to get settled in, might try to do some things the 2nd year, then it's time to work on getting re-elected again.
Obama in particular set himself up for a rough time I think by running such an incredible campaign. The 2008 election was such an overwhelming victory not just for him but for the Democratic party as a whole that I think it really opened some eyes in the GOP, who could have gone one of two ways afterwards:
(1) Realize they're not what the American people want in their leaders at the moment and shift left, work with the left, or try a different approach altogether (not what happened)
(2) Galvanize their party together and redouble their efforts, re-energize their base, i.e. stick it to the Democrats (what happened)
So now we're at a point where the two parties are completely gridlocked and won't work together at all, because if say you're a Republican and you support something a Democrat does, you'll get massacred by your in-party rivals in the next primary for doing so (and vice-versa for the Dems). Both parties just oppose and renounce any and everything the other party does, simply because it's "the other party", and it's all geared around greed, power, and winning, and not at all around what's actually important.
This is a good point. Unfortunately it is a tough cycle to break or as you said, we're gridlocked. I also think that Americans are also not educated enough as whole to completely understand what is going. We treat the election like the superbowl and most everyone watches, but then for the 4 years that follow, how many Americans actually read at least a few times a week about what's going on and really understand the issues. I hate talking to people who think Gay Rights, Abortion, and other Social issues are the main problems in our country right now. I'm not downplaying those things, but they are moral beliefs that are up for debate and they are not contributing at all to our recession or pulling our country out of it for that matter. However, they are easy issues for uneducated people to take a stance on and they take little to no knowledge of the background behind them or any current events knowledge to really discuss.
If Americans are not educated on the real issues, like the one you mention, and they don't take a strong stance in a certain direction as a large majority to break the gridlock, it will never be broken.
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you dont need to know all the parts of a car in order to drive a car dumbass
The more you know about the car and its parts, the more you can tweak things here and there to get the most maximum performance. The same with a workout routine.
For instance, if you wanted to be a top level gymnast, you would have to adjust your workout accordingly as any one workout simply won`t do.
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its getting a bit rediculous around here latley
folks theres no magical recouperation time. infact there is no "time" only perfect physics of motion around the sun
doing 2 reps isnt going to make you magically do 3 next time.
but yet even veterans are vigirously trying to devolop new routines for maximum gaynes
i beginning to wonder if any of you get any thing really accomplished in life
The secret is listening to your body, if you are feeling tired and drained that is not the day to go hardcore in the gym
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Falcon is one of my favorite posters here, but I can't get on board with this.
If I have a program that outlines rep/weight progression schemes, I'm stronger at the end of it. If I just wing it, the gains aren't nearly as great.
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Falcon is one of my favorite posters here, but I can't get on board with this.
If I have a program that outlines rep/weight progression schemes, I'm stronger at the end of it. If I just wing it, the gains aren't nearly as great.
I used to do this. Outline a regimen for 8 weeks or so, go at it, and then change the regimen. Over the years though I found different things worked better for me and then instinctual training became much more beneficial. I went to train shoulders last nightand as I stepped into the gym I had an idea of what i was going to do... after my 3rd exercise though my shoulders were fried and pumped so bad that I had to sit and rest my arms on my quads just to take any pressure off of them. Originally in my head I was going to do more but my body told me I had killed it, so I stopped, moved on to training triceps and finished my workout. Some people fair better with a regimen, but if my regimen says 3 sets and if after 3 sets of pushing myself hard I still think I can get more out of it, you better believe a 4th set is getting done.
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I used to do this. Outline a regimen for 8 weeks or so, go at it, and then change the regimen. Over the years though I found different things worked better for me and then instinctual training became much more beneficial. I went to train shoulders last nightand as I stepped into the gym I had an idea of what i was going to do... after my 3rd exercise though my shoulders were fried and pumped so bad that I had to sit and rest my arms on my quads just to take any pressure off of them. Originally in my head I was going to do more but my body told me I had killed it, so I stopped, moved on to training triceps and finished my workout. Some people fair better with a regimen, but if my regimen says 3 sets and if after 3 sets of pushing myself hard I still think I can get more out of it, you better believe a 4th set is getting done.
I think that's fair, but I don't bodybuild. I generally do full body type workouts, and gauge progress by how much my squat/bench/deadlift/db snatch have increased. If fall into the trap of going in there and just doing those exercises without a 6 week plan, they don't really move much.
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I think that's fair, but I don't bodybuild. I generally do full body type workouts, and gauge progress by how much my squat/bench/deadlift/db snatch have increased. If fall into the trap of going in there and just doing those exercises without a 6 week plan, they don't really move much.
Makes sense... I bodybuild so I definitely don't measure my progress on strength of any lifts. My strength fluctuates by the day! lol
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Whatever Jason Genova says to do I'm going to go with that. ;D
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I don't think anyone really knows the body well enough to advocate such complex schemes as falcon is laughing at. People know many different ways to get big. When it comes to finding the "optimal" way, though, experts tend to develop theories that are simply unsupported by their observations.
All the studies so far aren't enough, aren't even 1% enough, to justify sort of training advice that is believed as dogma by countless experts and coaches the world over.
Ask one expert who believes he knows the optimal way to get you big / fast / strong etc. to get you there and he probably can. Ask another, who just as firmly believes many things which contradict the first, and he probably can too.
The health and fitness world is not known for attracting intelligent people, and yet you can find countless supposed experts in every corner who have somehow synthesized the bits and scraps of scientific research that exist into a perfect system that coordinates things down to the last rep. Give me a break. ::)
Everyone who can write up a program to the last rep, percentage point of max, and second of rest... well, his reach has exceeded his grasp. These programs can be good guidelines, but taken as a total substitute for one's instincts as they so often are... that's a mistake.
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Lift some heavy ass weight, then lift even heavier ass weight next time.....that's about it.
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It's not rocket science.
Lift reasonably heavy weights, eat more than your maintenance calories to grow, eat less than your maintenance calories to lose weight. Done.
Oh to be a pro - add in lots of insulin, gh and aas.
Done. I could be a guru!!!
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Instinctive training and listening to your body are pure hogwash myths circulating in the dungeons of this world. Most are not gaining so they really don't know how to get bigger. The only reliable feedback is your soreness on the days following training. Yes, DOMS. Get em sore and you should grow...provided you eat enough food. No soreness = no rapid growth.
Those with long experience know that some days you feel like crap but have great workouts. On other days, you feel great but have a lousy workout.
There are many avenues to some gains but perhaps only one path to get huge. Volume and high intensity.
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Mentzer prescribed some off the wall volume towards his end. But he clarified that he put no number of sets on a workout or bodypart. He just didn't think more than one was nesscary. In other words precise was best. Meaning it might take one person 12 sets to develop their chest and another 8. Nothing is written in stone but keeping a log and organized routine works for the majority. Alot of trainers who don't keep track never progress or pay much attention to it. Everyone can handle a different amount of training load due to genetics,nutrition,sleep,job,and mental focus.
Of course there isn't a magical rep scheme. Most will agree for those with ave genetics and strength benifit from using 6-10 reps. This enables them to use moderate to heavy weight in a muscle building rep range. If the average person used 12-15 for all upper body movements it would be difficult to increase strength and monitor progress. Someone like Ronnie coleman was able to use a higher rep range with heavy weight which created a super freak. From my experience those who shoot for a higher rep range with heavy weight for the most part lax on form and also focus more about hitting x amount of reps than focusing on the set.
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Basil, DOM's doesn't mean anything. Where did you get this info? DOM's means you just injured the muscle by creating micro tears.
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Basile, gauging soreness is part of instinctive training. I am also not an advocate of what yóu said though that sore=growth because if that were the case, we'd have a lot of naturals much bigger than some IFBB pros.
What I do believe is that you need to exert maximum output and effort. Having played basketball, football, received certs in crossfit, and now bodybuilding I can say that I have trained in a variety of ways. The bottom line still remains, and it's very simple. Bust your ass on every workout. Eat and sleep. You will grow. After a while you will see that some workouts and diets induce growth better on you as an individual than others, but as long as you are going hard, you will make some sort of gains.
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Basil, DOM's doesn't mean anything. Where did you get this info? DOM's means you just injured the muscle by creating micro tears.
I always get bad DOMS when I haven't done a lift for a while, why is this ???
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I think biggest misconception in modern bodybuilding is this thing called "overtraining". What the fuck is this? Olympic lifters squat to their max every day, 7 days per week, 365 days per year. Yes they're constantly tired, sore and miserable, but this is what it takes to be best in this sport. Back in the day some incredibly impressive physiques were built on very high volume, every bodypart two or three times per week splits. It fucking worked, you can see that on their photos.
Arnold was HUGE. That's it guys, he WAS huge. He had bigger chest and arms than many pros nowadays. Maybe he didn't weight as much BUT he was HUGE.
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I think biggest misconception in modern bodybuilding is this thing called "overtraining". What the fuck is this? Olympic lifters squat to their max every day, 7 days per week, 365 days per year. Yes they're constantly tired, sore and miserable, but this is what it takes to be best in this sport. Back in the day some incredibly impressive physiques were built on very high volume, every bodypart two or three times per week splits. It fucking worked, you can see that on their photos.
Arnold was HUGE. That's it guys, he WAS huge. He had bigger chest and arms than many pros nowadays. Maybe he didn't weight as much BUT he was HUGE.
Gotta give the NeuroCore and Plasmosis time to metabolize bro
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Basil, DOM's doesn't mean anything. Where did you get this info? DOM's means you just injured the muscle by creating micro tears.
Shhhh, you'll shatter his world. ::) ::)
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God, fuck this thread
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Instinctive training and listening to your body are pure hogwash myths circulating in the dungeons of this world. Most are not gaining so they really don't know how to get bigger. The only reliable feedback is your soreness on the days following training. Yes, DOMS. Get em sore and you should grow...provided you eat enough food. No soreness = no rapid growth.
Those with long experience know that some days you feel like crap but have great workouts. On other days, you feel great but have a lousy workout.
There are many avenues to some gains but perhaps only one path to get huge. Volume and high intensity.
Smells like bullshit to me. :-\
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I vary, one week go for max s , the following do sets of 15-20, always vary weight reps and exercises. works for me
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Heeeey, here's a thought? How about planning your training 12 weeks in advance in 4 week periodizations, keeping the sets and reps in moderate range and increasing weight in every lift each week?
"instinctive" training means basically means you believe in the bullshit of "muscle confusion" and "I really don't know how to plan my training so I'll just go to the gym and wing it".
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Instinctive training also means "I'm on a bunch of drugs and can do whatever the fuck".
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Instinctive training also means "I'm on a bunch of drugs and can do whatever the fuck".
this
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Instinctive training also means "I'm on a bunch of drugs and can do whatever the fuck".
True, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.
To get back to the original question, yes, I'm always looking for ways to work out more efficiently, down to minimising time taken to change plates etc. by doing things in a different order or whatever. Gives me something to think about between sets...
But yes, pick up heavy shit, put it down, repeat. Use the appropriate hormonal tools for your goal, eat well but not to excess. It isn't that difficult.
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Having been a poli sci and econ major in college, I'm going to jump at the opportunity for a political debate. To start, I'm very moderate in my views, not extreme to left or right either way. However, to play devils advocate here Coach, you must admit, President Obama was handed a disaster caused by, and not really even arguably, the worst president in history. I respect George W. Bush as a politician because even as fucked up as he may have left things, when he wanted a policy change or anything for that matter to get accomplished, he got it done about 95% of the time. Now, were the things he was changing and accomplinshing beneficial for our country, no, but he was a great politician. Then again, so was Hitler if you look at things from that perspective. Even Obama said all through his campaign leading up to the election that the necessary changes to correct the problems in this nation would take well beyond the 8 years he could possibly be president. He made it clear that change would be slow and things would get worse before better. Hell, even Mccain didn't want his possible election to be associated in any way with the former President because he knew how bad things had become and knew he'd have no shot of winning if he didn't make it clear that things would be different and he would bring change to issues that his party had caused.
My point is... of course Obama looks bad right now, but I don't think any other person in the world could be doing significantly better. If you hand a texas hold em' player 7-2 off suit, the only thing he can hope for is to see the flop for free and get lucky. Obama got handed 7-2 off suit and he's doing as well with it as anyone else could have. Our countries problems can only be fixed over slow, committed, long term change. We as Americans however have a tough time buying into that as we all need our immediate gratification. Regardless of who is elected in '12, don't be shocked when things are still not sunshine and rainbows in the USA.
Bush was hit with a lot worse circumstances than Obama with 9/11, but even during wartime we had a relatively stable economy, people were working with low UE and something unheard of during wartime....an economy that grew. I will agree that he shouldn't have signed on to the bailout, I was against that, I'm still against any bailout with regards to the private sector. Bailouts only exacerbate problems. Obama could have slowed or even reversed what has been happening, but instead it's worse 10 fold. When you have to borrow money to pay bills, you still have to pay back the money you've borrowed to pay those bills. What Obama or liberals in general don't get, is that the government does not create jobs. There's my little synopsis.
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Bush was hit with a lot worse circumstances than Obama with 9/11, but even during wartime we had a relatively stable economy, people were working with low UE and something unheard of during wartime....an economy that grew. I will agree that he shouldn't have signed on to the bailout, I was against that, I'm still against any bailout with regards to the private sector. Bailouts only exacerbate problems. Obama could have slowed or even reversed what has been happening, but instead it's worse 10 fold. When you have to borrow money to pay bills, you still have to pay back the money you've borrowed to pay those bills. What Obama or liberals in general don't get, is that the government does not create jobs. There's my little synopsis.
I think its funny that you reference 9/11 as "war time.". It was a terrorist attack, not a war. On the list of top 10 countries that spend money on their military, the US ranks #1 and we actually spend more money than the next 9 nations combined on that list. I am also not down playing 9/11. Hey, I'm from and still live in New York. The last time I checked though 9/11 was a few terrorists who took control of planes and flew them into buildings. War time makes it seem like a country sent their airforce, ground, and naval troops over to attack on American soil. Bush declared "war" which also wasn"t much of a fight. We sent our dominant military over seas to 3rd worls countries to flex our muscle and remind them who's boss. Also, Bush didn't have it nearly as bad as Obama to start. Bush accumulated more national debt than the history of presidency combined (feel free to check that). Bush also followed Clinton and the boom of the internet which did nothing but boost economy. Obama, wwwweeeelll he followed Bush... Enough said. Oh, and of course Bush bailed out the private sector. I think any president probably would... Someones gotta fund your partys next campaign...
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I think its funny that you reference 9/11 as "war time.". It was a terrorist attack, not a war. On the list of top 10 countries that spend money on their military, the US ranks #1 and we actually spend more money than the next 9 nations combined on that list. I am also not down playing 9/11. Hey, I'm from and still live in New York. The last time I checked though 9/11 was a few terrorists who took control of planes and flew them into buildings. War time makes it seem like a country sent their airforce, ground, and naval troops over to attack on American soil. Bush declared "war" which also wasn"t much of a fight. We sent our dominant military over seas to 3rd worls countries to flex our muscle and remind them who's boss. Also, Bush didn't have it nearly as bad as Obama to start. Bush accumulated more national debt than the history of presidency combined (feel free to check that). Bush also followed Clinton and the boom of the internet which did nothing but boost economy. Obama, wwwweeeelll he followed Bush... Enough said. Oh, and of course Bush bailed out the private sector. I think any president probably would... Someones gotta fund your partys next campaign...
Sorry, I meant war time as after 9/11
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Are you guys on this thread really convinced that if you take your little log book and write down every exercise, set, and rep you plan to do over the next 3 months that it will make a difference? I did that for several YEARS and let me tell you, it really doesn't. Don't over complicate your training, JUST TRAIN HARD.
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Oh and of course drugs make a difference. Even Coach on his HRT doeses knows this. Without them, you hit your natural limit and any chance at significant lean muscle mass growth diminishes. You can still train hard and have fun but you will just be spinning the wheels and refining the muscle you had hoping for maybe another 1/8th of an inch on your arms in lean mass with no additional fat gain by next year. I'm talking about guys who have trained natural and HARD for years btw, not just starting out.
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Bush also followed Clinton and the boom of the internet which did nothing but boost economy. .
I was no fan of Bush: Term 2, but this statement ignores the fact that the internet/tech bubble had already burst by the time Bush took office in 2000.
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Half this thread is about American politics...what has that to do with set/rep schemes?
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Half this thread is about American politics...what has that to do with set/rep schemes?
Obama is our blackest president = best genetics for bodybuilding in White House history.
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Obama is our blackest president = best genetics for bodybuilding in White House history.
;D
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Lift some heavy ass weight, then lift even heavier ass weight next time.....that's about it.
If only it were that linear.
That stops working after awhile....
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If only it were that linear.
That stops working after awhile....
Then it is time to UTD and blow up from within.
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I think biggest misconception in modern bodybuilding is this thing called "overtraining". What the fuck is this? Olympic lifters squat to their max every day, 7 days per week, 365 days per year. Yes they're constantly tired, sore and miserable, but this is what it takes to be best in this sport. Back in the day some incredibly impressive physiques were built on very high volume, every bodypart two or three times per week splits. It fucking worked, you can see that on their photos.
Arnold was HUGE. That's it guys, he WAS huge. He had bigger chest and arms than many pros nowadays. Maybe he didn't weight as much BUT he was HUGE.
take a weight you can squat 15 reps with. do sets of 10 with it every day, for a total of 2000 reps per day. maybe 3000 if you're having a good day.
then tell me there's no such thing as overtraining. ::)
do you actually have any idea what you're talking about? olympic lifters are constantly tired, sore and miserable? i don't know any, but i would be absolutely shocked if this were the case.
i've seen top olympic lifting routines. top powerlifting routines. top bodybuilding routines. none of them are that much work compared to what i see people doing EVERY SINGLE DAY in ordinary gyms. most bodybuilders only take a handful of sets to failure... and not even what i would really call failure. yet in my college days i would see people going to failure every set, 12-16+ sets per body part, absolutely grueling workouts. i did it myself. it fucks you up when you look at something written down on a piece of paper and then go off on your own, trying to copy it without understanding the first thing about how the exercises are actually performed, as so many often do.
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Are you guys on this thread really convinced that if you take your little log book and write down every exercise, set, and rep you plan to do over the next 3 months that it will make a difference? I did that for several YEARS and let me tell you, it really doesn't. Don't over complicate your training, JUST TRAIN HARD.
If not they should be. I have 17-18 year old 190lb running backs box squatting 500lbs and benching 300+lbs. EVERYTHING IS A PROGRESSION.
If you know how write a sound program it works. If you don't, it won't. I'm not talking with drugs.
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take a weight you can squat 15 reps with. do sets of 10 with it every day, for a total of 2000 reps per day. maybe 3000 if you're having a good day.
then tell me there's no such thing as overtraining. ::)
do you actually have any idea what you're talking about? olympic lifters are constantly tired, sore and miserable? i don't know any, but i would be absolutely shocked if this were the case.
i've seen top olympic lifting routines. top powerlifting routines. top bodybuilding routines. none of them are that much work compared to what i see people doing EVERY SINGLE DAY in ordinary gyms. most bodybuilders only take a handful of sets to failure... and not even what i would really call failure. yet in my college days i would see people going to failure every set, 12-16+ sets per body part, absolutely grueling workouts. i did it myself. it fucks you up when you look at something written down on a piece of paper and then go off on your own, trying to copy it without understanding the first thing about how the exercises are actually performed, as so many often do.
http://www.averagebroz.com/ABG/Q_%26_A/Q_%26_A.html
one of his pupils.
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If not they should be. I have 17-18 year old 190lb running backs box squatting 500lbs and benching 300+lbs. EVERYTHING IS A PROGRESSION.
If you know how write a sound program it works. If you don't, it won't. I'm not talking with drugs.
I'd crush those twinks.
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Instinctive training also means "I'm on a bunch of drugs and can do whatever the fuck".
spot on.
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If not they should be. I have 17-18 year old 190lb running backs box squatting 500lbs and benching 300+lbs. EVERYTHING IS A PROGRESSION.
If you know how write a sound program it works. If you don't, it won't. I'm not talking with drugs.
are these results typical? i mean, no disrespect, but everyone knows that guy in highschool who could squat 5-600 lbs. some people are just strong...
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Does any one pick up any books on physiology, anatomy or kinesiology or do you pull shit out of your asses? JF...you first.
If you want success in bodybuilding, pick up a pharmacology book.
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its getting a bit rediculous around here latley
folks theres no magical recouperation time. infact there is no "time" only perfect physics of motion around the sun
doing 2 reps isnt going to make you magically do 3 next time.
but yet even veterans are vigirously trying to devolop new routines for maximum gaynes
i beginning to wonder if any of you get any thing really accomplished in life
Good luck with the 50 rep/40pound dumbell squats. ::)
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are these results typical? i mean, no disrespect, but everyone knows that guy in highschool who could squat 5-600 lbs. some people are just strong...
plenty of guys in hs on steroids