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Title: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: noeasywayout on October 02, 2011, 09:15:46 AM
 :o

Derek poundstone 200lb DB press 5 reps at 0:45



Ronnie coleman 200lb DB press 12 rep





Stan Efferding incline presses 210 pound dumbells for 9 reps

Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: affeman on October 02, 2011, 09:19:13 AM
I still think the dumbbells in "The Unbelieveable" are fake. He gets them in the starting position + the first rep so easily when everyone else is struggling like a MoFo just to get them from your knees back, seems fake to me.
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: affeman on October 02, 2011, 09:21:04 AM
Here's Efferding with 215s btw. Efferding is probably the strongest of em all.

Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: Fortress on October 02, 2011, 09:21:22 AM
Yes, Ronnie was/(still is) a very, VERY strong individual.

Him and Poundstone, at Coleman's biggest, are roughly the same size.

Everyone has his favored lifts. Poundstone is a pulling MACHINE. Deadlifts way more than Ronnie ever could. Derek is a freak on most every lift, although he doesn't put too, too much emphasis on benching crazy amounts of weight.

Ronnie's dumbell pressing strength doesn't fully equate to flat barbell bench, as well. He presses, at his best, what, five or so reps with five plates? I mean, this is still fantastic, but not what one would think when he smashes up 200s in dumbell exercises.

Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: mesmorph78 on October 02, 2011, 09:21:54 AM
I still think the dumbbells in "The Unbelieveable" are fake. He gets them in the starting position + the first rep so easily when everyone else is struggling like a MoFo just to get them from your knees back, seems fake to me.
no for a guy ronnies size 200 isnt that heavy
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: d0nny2600 on October 02, 2011, 09:23:03 AM
no for a guy ronnies size 200 isnt that heavy
They aren't fake...regardless of anyones size 200lb dumbbells are heavy.
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: affeman on October 02, 2011, 09:23:51 AM
Here's Efferding with 215s btw. Efferding is probably the strongest of em all.



Look how this fucker (Powerlifting world champion) is struggling just to get them up on his shoulders! And you guys wanna tell me Ronnie is conveniently repping them for 12. :D You guys must be completely retarded to believe that BS. ::)
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: TRock99 on October 02, 2011, 09:24:50 AM
I am here in Dallas and lived in Arlington when Ronnie first started BB, and he was strong as shit back then, knocking out 4 or 5 plates each side like most do for 2 or 3
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: noeasywayout on October 02, 2011, 09:25:07 AM
Here's Efferding with 215s btw. Efferding is probably the strongest of em all.



damn.... :o
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: G_Thang on October 02, 2011, 09:26:23 AM
I still think the dumbbells in "The Unbelieveable" are fake. He gets them in the starting position + the first rep so easily when everyone else is struggling like a MoFo just to get them from your knees back, seems fake to me.

i'm sure dopson keeps a bunch of fake stuff around metro, that's how branch tore a lat and ronnie had multiple tears his last yr. watch out kulco when you are doing those 800lb squats and 2000lb presses.

i find it hard to believe a man who prided himself on "light weight" would go that low.  
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: Fortress on October 02, 2011, 09:27:52 AM
They aren't fake...regardless of anyones size 200lb dumbbells are heavy.

They're not fake.

And to the jackass who claims 200s aren't heavy for a man Ronnie's size, please, just shut your mouth. Strength isn't linear. Greater and greater poundage requires greater and greater size and horsepower, if you will. Smaller increments, in other words, require proportionately greater strength capacities.

Fools need to shut their mouths when a subject is out of their depth if knowledge.
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: yates fan on October 02, 2011, 09:28:27 AM
ronnie was a good bit bigger than stan and had been using that weight for years is why he handles it so easy and was crazy strong on all his lifts.
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: Reeves on October 02, 2011, 09:28:44 AM
Without drugs, they are all pretty much regular guys.  Strong?  Only when full of shit.  And they are all full of shit.  ;D
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: TRock99 on October 02, 2011, 09:29:52 AM
Yeah like his squat was faked too  ::)
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: mass243 on October 02, 2011, 09:30:25 AM
Ronnie was huge
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: mesmorph78 on October 02, 2011, 09:33:24 AM
They're not fake.

And to the jackass who claims 200s aren't heavy for a man Ronnie's size, please, just shut your mouth. Strength isn't linear. Greater and greater poundage requires greater and greater size and horsepower, if you will. Smaller increments, in other words, require proportionately greater strength capacities.

Fools need to shut their mouths when a subject is out of their depth if knowledge.


 :-\
let me clause that
IMO for a guy on whatever coleman is on his size his strength and genetics... 200lb isnt heavy
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: YoungBlood on October 02, 2011, 09:35:46 AM
I still think the dumbbells in "The Unbelieveable" are fake. He gets them in the starting position + the first rep so easily when everyone else is struggling like a MoFo just to get them from your knees back, seems fake to me.

I saw "The Unbelievable" when it first came out, and up to this point you're the only one I've ever heard make a claim for Ronnie using fake weights. That's including message boards, people I've talked to and what I see/hear in the video.

I never once thought those were fake weights. The sound of them hitting the ground, or him struggling with them at the end of the set is enough for me and apparently everyone else that has seen the video to say they are not fake.
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: Fortress on October 02, 2011, 09:36:05 AM
:-\
let me clause that
IMO for a guy on whatever coleman is on his size his strength and genetics... 200lb isnt heavy

Fair enough. However, even on gas, 200s in pressing movements isn't light weight for ANYBODY. Well, maybe a prime Kazmaier (ha, ha), but very, very few others.

 
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: OTHstrong on October 02, 2011, 09:50:23 AM
I still think the dumbbells in "The Unbelieveable" are fake. He gets them in the starting position + the first rep so easily when everyone else is struggling like a MoFo just to get them from your knees back, seems fake to me.
Bro,making a statement like that is OUTRAGES, 800 lb squats and deads, 500lb bentover rows with perfect form, 13 plates on T-bar, 5 plates perside bench for reps, and you really think the 200's are fake, not a chance in hell are those fake, I would bet everything I own (which isn't much, but....)
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: apply85 on October 02, 2011, 09:54:50 AM
You guys give so much respect to people who can lift heavy weights because they inject particular hormones and they were born with lifting genetics, who gives a shit, ronnie is the man because of his attitude not because he could lift 200 pound dumbbells 12 times
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: Dr Dutch on October 02, 2011, 10:00:22 AM
Maybe it's 200 lbs for the 2 dumbells together....
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: claymore on October 02, 2011, 10:04:01 AM
All of ronnies lifts were legit.
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: mesmorph78 on October 02, 2011, 10:04:41 AM
Fair enough. However, even on gas, 200s in pressing movements isn't light weight for ANYBODY. Well, maybe a prime Kazmaier (ha, ha), but very, very few others.

 
agreed coleman was genetically strong...
thats why i made the statement ... i think he could move 300 for a couple reps maybe
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: The_Leafy_Bug on October 02, 2011, 10:07:13 AM
Can someone explain to me how these guys get the db up on their knee without their shoulder popping loose? I use the heaviest dbs in my gym (140s) and i have to have help putting them on my knees. Everytime i swing it forward i feel like my shoulder is going to rip loose. Maybe its because of my bird joints and it will be a problem ill always have. Anything past 120 i need help with.
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: closeline on October 02, 2011, 10:08:40 AM
i was in th e gym with zydrunas savickas, healthy fit savickas, he s the strongest  i ve ever seen regarding the weights he could move for low reps

ronnie did extremley heavy lifts at 6 percent of bodyfat while savickas was about 20percent and gallons of extra water with a much bigger bone and tendon frame


so for me ronnie is the strongest man ever, if you talk about real muscular strenght for 3+ reps

lower than 3 reps is all technique, big bones, and strong tendons ;D
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: BILL ANVIL on October 02, 2011, 10:10:56 AM
Im sure Poundstone could bench more if he trained for it, but bench press is pretty pointless in his line of work. Guy trains for pulling heavy shit, not pushing it
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: closeline on October 02, 2011, 10:11:04 AM
I saw "The Unbelievable" when it first came out, and up to this point you're the only one I've ever heard make a claim for Ronnie using fake weights. That's including message boards, people I've talked to and what I see/hear in the video.

I never once thought those were fake weights. The sound of them hitting the ground, or him struggling with them at the end of the set is enough for me and apparently everyone else that has seen the video to say they are not fake.

they are not fake

i wonder how anyone can belive this

i mean 200 isn t impossible, look at cormier, he did 5 reps to and he was not 70percent of ronnie s muscle diameters
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: Fortress on October 02, 2011, 10:21:24 AM

i think he could move 300 for a couple reps maybe


Absolutely not.
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: DroppingPlates on October 02, 2011, 10:24:06 AM
Poundstone took those DB's himself, while Ronnie had a humptie dumptie man for that. His ROM is almost 100%, while Ronnie's were about 50-60%
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: YoungBlood on October 02, 2011, 10:24:09 AM
they are not fake

i wonder how anyone can belive this

i mean 200 isn t impossible, look at cormier, he did 5 reps to and he was not 70percent of ronnie s muscle diameters

I don't think they're fake. Never have. ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: mesmorph78 on October 02, 2011, 10:25:11 AM
who knows... stan inclined 250's for reps...
mmmm maybe wishful thhinking
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: Fortress on October 02, 2011, 10:29:47 AM

so for me ronnie is the strongest man ever, if you talk about real muscular strenght for 3+ reps

lower than 3 reps is all technique, big bones, and strong tendons ;D

Ronnie the strongest?! Such an ignorant statement. Coleman, at his biggest and best, was one strong SOB, but please, dude.  

And below three is all technique, bone size and tendon strength? Even more ridiculousness.

I'll say it again. How can a board devoted to weight training have so many clueless individuals when it comes to strength and power?  ::)

Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: closeline on October 02, 2011, 11:04:16 AM
Ronnie the strongest?! Such an ignorant statement. Coleman, at his biggest and best, was one strong SOB, but please, dude.  

And below three is all technique, bone size and tendon strength? Even more ridiculousness.

I'll say it again. How can a board devoted to weight training have so many clueless individuals when it comes to strength and power?  ::)



i know you like fatter guys like the strongmans or powerlifters

maybe you are fat also
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: JasonH on October 02, 2011, 11:07:24 AM
Would have loved to know the stack Ronnie was on when he did those numbers. Crazy lifting all the way.
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: LittleJ on October 02, 2011, 11:16:27 AM
Can someone explain to me how these guys get the db up on their knee without their shoulder popping loose? I use the heaviest dbs in my gym (140s) and i have to have help putting them on my knees. Everytime i swing it forward i feel like my shoulder is going to rip loose. Maybe its because of my bird joints and it will be a problem ill always have. Anything past 120 i need help with.

140 is some heavy weight
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: Parker on October 02, 2011, 11:19:09 AM
Yes, Ronnie was/(still is) a very, VERY strong individual.

Him and Poundstone, at Coleman's biggest, are roughly the same size.

Everyone has his favored lifts. Poundstone is a pulling MACHINE. Deadlifts way more than Ronnie ever could. Derek is a freak on most every lift, although he doesn't put too, too much emphasis on benching crazy amounts of weight.

Ronnie's dumbell pressing strength doesn't fully equate to flat barbell bench, as well. He presses, at his best, what, five or so reps with five plates? I mean, this is still fantastic, but not what one would think when he smashes up 200s in dumbell exercises.


we don't know how much Ronnie could deadlift, because all we saw was Ronnie deadlifting 5 weeks out from the Mr. Olympia...look at Ronnie there. Poundstone in his life has never been in that condition nor that depleted. And that is a 5 week out Ronnie, and we are not talking about for any old contest. This was Mr. O, if Ronnie had hurt himself, he would have been out of the contest, and it would have like 98 all over again.

That is what amazes me. Ronnie did all these lifts 5 weeks out, when othes would have done moderate weights...as they would be generally weaker as they progressively diet.

But, as Shawn Ray said of Dorian, what made Ronnie, broke Ronnie.
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: G_Thang on October 02, 2011, 11:22:01 AM

But, as Shawn Ray said of Dorian, what made Ronnie, broke Ronnie.

Agreed!  If he had went "light weight, baby!" in 06, he had #9 in the bank. 

anyway, the phil heath era is upon us.  Wow!  ::)
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: chaos on October 02, 2011, 11:23:56 AM
They're not fake.

And to the jackass who claims 200s aren't heavy for a man Ronnie's size, please, just shut your mouth. Strength isn't linear. Greater and greater poundage requires greater and greater size and horsepower, if you will. Smaller increments, in other words, require proportionately greater strength capacities.

Fools need to shut their mouths when a subject is out of their depth if knowledge.

Ronnie the strongest?! Such an ignorant statement. Coleman, at his biggest and best, was one strong SOB, but please, dude. 

And below three is all technique, bone size and tendon strength? Even more ridiculousness.

I'll say it again. How can a board devoted to weight training have so many clueless individuals when it comes to strength and power?  ::)


LMFAO!!! I like this guy. ;D
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: Reeves on October 02, 2011, 11:47:22 AM
Ronnie the strongest?! Such an ignorant statement. Coleman, at his biggest and best, was one strong SOB, but please, dude.  

And below three is all technique, bone size and tendon strength? Even more ridiculousness.

I'll say it again. How can a board devoted to weight training have so many clueless individuals when it comes to strength and power?  ::)



With regard to your question about this board as quoted above.  It's due to the fact that bodybuilding is all about looking strong.  Strongman and powerlifting are about being strong.  Of course I am neither of these, but that doesn't negate the truth of my words. ;D
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: Parker on October 02, 2011, 11:49:58 AM
Agreed!  If he had went "light weight, baby!" in 06, he had #9 in the bank. 

anyway, the phil heath era is upon us.  Wow!  ::)

Def, if he had listened to his body...with all that shit with is back...he'd be okay. He couldn't do like Levrone and tear a tri and lag and come up big at the O, Ronnie had to WIN the O.
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: supernick on October 02, 2011, 12:08:20 PM
most strong men dont even bench its not really needed for the events
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: BIG_STI on October 02, 2011, 12:45:30 PM
Can someone explain to me how these guys get the db up on their knee without their shoulder popping loose? I use the heaviest dbs in my gym (140s) and i have to have help putting them on my knees. Everytime i swing it forward i feel like my shoulder is going to rip loose. Maybe its because of my bird joints and it will be a problem ill always have. Anything past 120 i need help with.

Wimp, I'd always do them by myself until 3 years ago when I had a small tare on my bi from kicking the 130s up but my left arm went out to the side and put all the weight on my bicep, ouch
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: Immortal_Technique on October 02, 2011, 01:40:56 PM
Poundstone took those DB's himself, while Ronnie had a humptie dumptie man for that. His ROM is almost 100%, while Ronnie's were about 50-60%

This is incorrect. Watch the two videos. No way is Ronnie's movement 50-60% of Poundstones. Pretty comparible in fact. Except Ronnie does more than twice as much.
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: DroppingPlates on October 02, 2011, 02:01:14 PM
This is incorrect. Watch the two videos. No way is Ronnie's movement 50-60% of Poundstones a max ROM. Pretty comparible in fact. Except Ronnie does more than twice as much.

More like this. Poundstone's ROM is about 90%.

Apart from this, when I see his other vids, it seems that Poundstone is more into barbell work. On a regular BP Derek is prob stronger than Ronnie, so it's all relative. 
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: Man of Steel on October 02, 2011, 02:34:45 PM
Ronnie faked nothing with the weights...all legit.  Accept it and move on.
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: OTHstrong on October 02, 2011, 03:49:56 PM
Ronnie the strongest?! Such an ignorant statement. Coleman, at his biggest and best, was one strong SOB, but please, dude.  

And below three is all technique, bone size and tendon strength? Even more ridiculousness.

I'll say it again. How can a board devoted to weight training have so many clueless individuals when it comes to strength and power?  ::)


Seriously bro, his statement is not that far off, although I agree with you he certainly isn't the strongest, but I think he could have been if he trained for powerlifting instead of bodybuilding.
800 lb Deads for 2 reps when the world record at the time was only 925 and with very low bodyfat. Put thirty pounds of water and fat and have him focus on deads for 6 months religiously, he could have easily smashed the 925 world record.
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: The_Leafy_Bug on October 02, 2011, 03:50:55 PM
Wimp, I'd always do them by myself until 3 years ago when I had a small tare on my bi from kicking the 130s up but my left arm went out to the side and put all the weight on my bicep, ouch
Hahahahah EXACTLY my friend. That is what im trying to avoid. Everytime i sling those things on my knees i feel the strain and i think how do those guys fucking do that without hurting themselves.
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: chaos on October 02, 2011, 03:53:04 PM
Hahahahah EXACTLY my friend. That is what im trying to avoid. Everytime i sling those things on my knees i feel the strain and i think how do those guys fucking do that without hurting themselves.
Keep the DB as close to your body as possible. And I like to rock a little bit to gain extra momentum when I fling them up off the knee.
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: The_Leafy_Bug on October 02, 2011, 04:15:15 PM
Keep the DB as close to your body as possible. And I like to rock a little bit to gain extra momentum when I fling them up off the knee.
It isn't the flinging from the knee that hurts. I am fine with that. It is actually getting them on the knee that hurts because the dumbells are so long that you have to swing them out. I'll bend over and pick them up and be standing with them and then i have about half a foot length of DB to swing onto my knee before i can sit down with it. Maybe if i actually kick my leg backwards as i swing the db forward?
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: chaos on October 02, 2011, 04:20:15 PM
It isn't the flinging from the knee that hurts. I am fine with that. It is actually getting them on the knee that hurts because the dumbells are so long that you have to swing them out. I'll bend over and pick them up and be standing with them and then i have about half a foot length of DB to swing onto my knee before i can sit down with it. Maybe if i actually kick my leg backwards as i swing the db forward?
I just lean far enough to one side to keep the db off my body and swing it until it has enough momentum and swing them onto the front of my leg, usually 2-3 swings.

The other option is to rerack after each set and place the bench directly in front of the db's you are using so you can put them on your quads as you unrack them.
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: The_Leafy_Bug on October 02, 2011, 04:23:21 PM
I just lean far enough to one side to keep the db off my body and swing it until it has enough momentum and swing them onto the front of my leg, usually 2-3 swings.

The other option is to rerack after each set and place the bench directly in front of the db's you are using so you can put them on your quads as you unrack them.
Im a little bitch. I can press them but barely manage to carry them or rack them, plus not having a rack designed for weight that heavy doesn't help so im a drop and roller. They have to keep them on the floor. I got to a rag tag gym with a mishmash of equipment so im not that fortunate. I'll have to play with that but im tired of having to ask for a spotter when i lift them.
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: chaos on October 02, 2011, 04:28:38 PM
Im a little bitch. I can press them but barely manage to carry them or rack them, plus not having a rack designed for weight that heavy doesn't help so im a drop and roller. They have to keep them on the floor. I got to a rag tag gym with a mishmash of equipment so im not that fortunate. I'll have to play with that but im tired of having to ask for a spotter when i lift them.
I know it's blasphemy but maybe you can set them on a second bench perched in front of the bench you're using? Or just have some tiny tit push them in front of your leg while you stand with them instead of lifting them for you.
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: Marty Champions on October 02, 2011, 09:23:42 PM
lots of big bros sharing tips on how to use massive dumbells weights in this thread tonite
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: Per Se on October 03, 2011, 01:59:22 AM
Seriously bro, his statement is not that far off, although I agree with you he certainly isn't the strongest, but I think he could have been if he trained for powerlifting instead of bodybuilding.
800 lb Deads for 2 reps when the world record at the time was only 925 and with very low bodyfat. Put thirty pounds of water and fat and have him focus on deads for 6 months religiously, he could have easily smashed the 925 world record.

Agreed.
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: johnny1 on October 03, 2011, 02:15:12 AM
Coleman was Very Strong.
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on October 03, 2011, 02:33:14 AM
Coleman was Very Strong.


Exceptionally so
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: deceiver on October 03, 2011, 02:45:18 AM
Seriously bro, his statement is not that far off, although I agree with you he certainly isn't the strongest, but I think he could have been if he trained for powerlifting instead of bodybuilding.
800 lb Deads for 2 reps when the world record at the time was only 925 and with very low bodyfat. Put thirty pounds of water and fat and have him focus on deads for 6 months religiously, he could have easily smashed the 925 world record.

He never did 2 reps with 800. He did 1.5 rep, 1 rep in deadlift is from dead position. No bouncing and shit.

I don't think he could have touched 925 deadlift honestly. There are many guys who can deadlift 360kg. After 380kg it gets tricky usually and there are only few guys deadlifting 400kg.
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: LittleJ on October 03, 2011, 06:22:17 AM
Im a little bitch. I can press them but barely manage to carry them or rack them, plus not having a rack designed for weight that heavy doesn't help so im a drop and roller. They have to keep them on the floor. I got to a rag tag gym with a mishmash of equipment so im not that fortunate. I'll have to play with that but im tired of having to ask for a spotter when i lift them.


I think bb.com have some clips you can hook to barbells to put the db on.
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: Per Se on October 03, 2011, 06:26:31 AM
He never did 2 reps with 800. He did 1.5 rep, 1 rep in deadlift is from dead position. No bouncing and shit.

I don't think he could have touched 925 deadlift honestly. There are many guys who can deadlift 360kg. After 380kg it gets tricky usually and there are only few guys deadlifting 400kg.

How come you don't think he could do it?
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: G_Thang on October 03, 2011, 06:33:55 AM
He never did 2 reps with 800. He did 1.5 rep, 1 rep in deadlift is from dead position. No bouncing and shit.

I don't think he could have touched 925 deadlift honestly. There are many guys who can deadlift 360kg. After 380kg it gets tricky usually and there are only few guys deadlifting 400kg.

he's somewhere in the neighborhood of 5 weeks and doing maximum lifts while other guys are doing maintenance exercises.  in his day if he had taken 6 mths off for PLing, i'm sure he'd get 925 at 317bls or whatever he was during the off-season.  but again, ronnie was a bber, and still put some limits on his lifts, not to get hurt.   in 2006 he didn't listen to his body. 
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: MB on October 03, 2011, 06:49:25 AM
Ronnie's need to lift like a powerlifter ended his career early.  I'm sure he did it because he enjoyed it and wouldn't have changed a thing, but Ronnie without nerve damage and muscle tears could have kept winning Olympias. 
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: dr.chimps on October 03, 2011, 06:49:57 AM
I just lean far enough to one side to keep the db off my body and swing it until it has enough momentum and swing them onto the front of my leg, usually 2-3 swings.

The other option is to rerack after each set and place the bench directly in front of the db's you are using so you can put them on your quads as you unrack them.
I even put the set of dbs I'm using on on top the bottom row of dbs. Saves you a lot of wear and tear.  
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: Fortress on October 03, 2011, 12:00:18 PM
Seriously bro, his statement is not that far off, although I agree with you he certainly isn't the strongest, but I think he could have been if he trained for powerlifting instead of bodybuilding.
800 lb Deads for 2 reps when the world record at the time was only 925 and with very low bodyfat. Put thirty pounds of water and fat and have him focus on deads for 6 months religiously, he could have easily smashed the 925 world record.

Of course Ronnie could have become a contender at an Elite level, but please don't add well over 100 pounds to the man's deadlift with just some water and fat weight. There is a MASSIVE difference between 800 and 925 pounds.

The deadlift record was well over 925 at that time, too (hell, a 218-pound Ed Coan Sumo pulled 901 almost 20 years ago). And let's not forget Coleman is using wrist wraps when he pulls the double.

Oh, and many top BBs are strongest before a show as they're often on the greatest amount of sauce.

Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on October 03, 2011, 12:08:18 PM
Of course Ronnie could have become a contender at an Elite level, but please don't add well over 100 pounds to the man's deadlift with just some water and fat weight. There is a MASSIVE difference between 800 and 925 pounds.

The deadlift record was well over 925 at that time, too (hell, a 218-pound Ed Coan Sumo pulled 901 almost 20 years ago). And let's not forget Coleman is using wrist wraps when he pulls the double.

Oh, and many top BBs are strongest before a show as they're often on the greatest amount of sauce.



 :o
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: Hulkotron on October 03, 2011, 12:09:50 PM
I don't care enough to go back and quote it but lol @ the guy who thinks Ronnie could press 300-lb dumbells for a couple reps.

Reminds me of those guys at the gym who press 225 for 8 with their platonic lifting partner rowing the last two off their chest and go around saying their max is 350.
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: chaos on October 03, 2011, 12:17:19 PM
Could have, should have, would have....all opinions and the facts show different.

Opinions are not facts.
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: OTHstrong on October 03, 2011, 12:18:35 PM
Of course Ronnie could have become a contender at an Elite level, but please don't add well over 100 pounds to the man's deadlift with just some water and fat weight. There is a MASSIVE difference between 800 and 925 pounds.

The deadlift record was well over 925 at that time, too (hell, a 218-pound Ed Coan Sumo pulled 901 almost 20 years ago). And let's not forget Coleman is using wrist wraps when he pulls the double.

Oh, and many top BBs are strongest before a show as they're often on the greatest amount of sauce.


First of all, NO, the record was NOT more then 925, look it up
Second, don't be such a simpleton, 30lb of fat and water? really that would be the only difference, how about dealifting 12 times a month instead of only 3 times?, easily could have smashed the record.
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: mesmorph78 on October 03, 2011, 12:26:15 PM
I don't care enough to go back and quote it but lol @ the guy who thinks Ronnie could press 300-lb dumbells for a couple reps.

Reminds me of those guys at the gym who press 225 for 8 with their platonic lifting partner rowing the last two off their chest and go around saying their max is 350.
I was that guy.....   the guy who probably knows more about training and heavy weight than a lot of people
i read somewhere ronnie pressed 250 for reps...hence why i made the statement
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on October 03, 2011, 12:29:26 PM
 :o
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: Nails on October 03, 2011, 12:33:02 PM


Didn't ronnie say anything past 200lbs db is very awkward to balance

these are the 250lbs at ronnies gym...


(http://www.bodybuildingdungeon.com/forums/attachments/bodybuilding-discussion/1648d1126372353-will-ronnie-ever-do-250lb-db-bench-press-ronnie-weekend0001-3-.jpg)
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: andreisdaman on October 03, 2011, 12:33:30 PM
You guys give so much respect to people who can lift heavy weights because they inject particular hormones and they were born with lifting genetics, who gives a shit, ronnie is the man because of his attitude not because he could lift 200 pound dumbbells 12 times

you're right about the attitude, wrong about the lifts
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: Nails on October 03, 2011, 12:35:51 PM
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_mC1TEdZ4gks/SxBaEd3IslI/AAAAAAAAC7E/StxsfBfZuaM/s1600/Ronnie+coleman+1++at+2003+Mr.+Olympia.JPG)


(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/14071/0/d/img_10481285379314.jpg)
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: Ursus on October 03, 2011, 12:40:29 PM
I don't even like cleaning 120's to shoulder then sitting down with them since I hurt my wrist. Kinda irrational fear to try them now.
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: G_Thang on October 03, 2011, 12:42:21 PM
:o

remember those weights were fake, so says some getbiggers.
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: Fortress on October 03, 2011, 12:45:17 PM
First of all, NO, the record was NOT more then 925, look it up
Second, don't be such a simpleton, 30lb of fat and water? really that would be the only difference, how about dealifting 12 times a month instead of only 3 times?, easily could have smashed the record.

What federation, champ? You do know there are approximately 900 powerlifting feds, right?

It's hilarious how some of you think there isn't much difference between an 800-pound pull and a 925. At this amount of weight, such an increment is HUGE.
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: Iceman1981 on October 03, 2011, 12:46:42 PM
Ronnie is one strong ass mofo.

"That's one 100-pound and 10 45-pound plates." On a T-Bar. Seriously WTF?
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: Fortress on October 03, 2011, 12:50:55 PM
Oh, and just to clarify: there are now TWO men who can pull 1,000 and above. Two.

But, yeah, Ronnie, with just some more fat, water and specificity training over several months, could pull 925.  ::)

Look, Ronnie was a freak of strength, sure, but let's keep shit on the level of reality.

Very, VERY, very few men are capable of pulling over 900, and those who can and do, usually have trained specifically for such a pursuit for many, many years and use boatloads of drugs ... obviously.

Coleman pulling two with wrist straps is totally amazing. However, I am quite certain the man was on as much sauce at that time as he'd ever been on, or would ever be on again.

Again, reality, people.  

 
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: OTHstrong on October 03, 2011, 12:57:40 PM
What federation, champ? You do know there are approximately 900 powerlifting feds, right?

It's hilarious how some of you think there isn't much difference between an 800-pound pull and a 925. At this amount of weight, such an increment is HUGE.
It s also hilarious how you think going from 3times a month dead to 12 times a month deads wouldnt add 15% in 6 months, also hilarious how you think there is no differance in strength from 6% bodyfat to 12%, also hilarious how you think a persons 1 rep max is also his 2 rep max, it's also hilarious how you make fun of people and say they dont know whay they are talking about when you refuse to believe that not 1 man exceeded 925 regardless of federation..............

it's also hilarious how I'm ranting away like an idiot ;D
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: mesmorph78 on October 03, 2011, 01:17:47 PM
Ronnie is one strong ass mofo.

"That's one 100-pound and 10 45-pound plates." On a T-Bar. Seriously WTF?
not greatly heavy
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: DroppingPlates on October 03, 2011, 01:25:43 PM

Didn't ronnie say anything past 200lbs db is very awkward to balance

these are the 250lbs at ronnies gym...


(http://www.bodybuildingdungeon.com/forums/attachments/bodybuilding-discussion/1648d1126372353-will-ronnie-ever-do-250lb-db-bench-press-ronnie-weekend0001-3-.jpg)

Damn, those are like road rollers. Even standing with them let your delts and forarms cry.
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: Dr Dutch on October 03, 2011, 01:27:23 PM
Damn, those are like road rollers. Even standing with them let your delts and forarms cry.
I think heavy db's are great.
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: DroppingPlates on October 03, 2011, 01:28:37 PM
I think heavy db's are great.

My favorite tools in the gym!
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: Fortress on October 03, 2011, 01:30:28 PM
It s also hilarious how you think going from 3times a month dead to 12 times a month deads wouldnt add 15% in 6 months, also hilarious how you think there is no differance in strength from 6% bodyfat to 12%, also hilarious how you think a persons 1 rep max is also his 2 rep max, it's also hilarious how you make fun of people and say they dont know whay they are talking about when you refuse to believe that not 1 man exceeded 925 regardless of federation..............

it's also hilarious how I'm ranting away like an idiot ;D

What are you on about?

The deadlift, from a powerlifting standpoint, shouldn't be trained more than once each week, MAX. Some of the very best deadlifters work the lift only once or twice in a month. It is extremely taxing on the system, unlike any other exercise, including squat. Why do you think competitors stop pulling as much as one month out from a meet?

I was the one who said the record at the time of Ronnie's two reps was far greater than 925. Are you on crack? What you suggest I said is the exact opposite of what I did say. What a tosser.

Listen, to think Coleman would have an easy time putting over 100 pounds onto his 800-pound pull is pure lunacy. Could he have done it? Possibly, sure. But even if he could have, it wouldn't have been easy. Not in the slightest.

In many ways, extra bodyweight can hinder deadlifting performance. It's not uncommon for powerlifters to move up a weight class and, if not lose weight on the bar, at least not gain all that much. It isn't like squat and bench where extra bodyweight GREATLY enhances performance.

To suggest a 365-pound Ronnie would immediately deadlift 900 pounds because he pulled (with wrist straps) 800 for two at 325 or whatever is nonsense. Especially when one considers, as I said, the man was on ungodly amounts of sauce when he did that videotaped pull.



Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: Palpatine Q on October 03, 2011, 01:30:42 PM
Can someone explain to me how these guys get the db up on their knee without their shoulder popping loose? I use the heaviest dbs in my gym (140s) and i have to have help putting them on my knees. Everytime i swing it forward i feel like my shoulder is going to rip loose. Maybe its because of my bird joints and it will be a problem ill always have. Anything past 120 i need help with.

I just deadlift them to my knee level and then sit back on the bench, now they are on my knees.

you can't do that you are saying ?
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: Hulkotron on October 03, 2011, 01:34:04 PM
Big Nasser El-Snbt has two gym-bitches who do this "pick up the dumbells" shit for him.

I was that guy.....   the guy who probably knows more about training and heavy weight than a lot of people
i read somewhere ronnie pressed 250 for reps...hence why i made the statement


Yes I'm sure you're an expert in the dynamics of pressing 300 pounds in each hand ::)
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: ChristopherA on October 03, 2011, 01:47:08 PM
What are you on about?

The deadlift, from a powerlifting standpoint, shouldn't be trained more than once each week, MAX. Some of the very best deadlifters work the lift only once or twice in a month. It is extremely taxing on the system, unlike any other exercise, including squat. Why do you think competitors stop pulling as much as one month out from a meet?

I was the one who said the record at the time of Ronnie's two reps was far greater than 925. Are you on crack? What you suggest I said is the exact opposite of what I did say. What a tosser.

Listen, to think Coleman would have an easy time putting over 100 pounds onto his 800-pound pull is pure lunacy. Could he have done it? Possibly, sure. But even if he could have, it wouldn't have been easy. Not in the slightest.

In many ways, extra bodyweight can hinder deadlifting performance. It's not uncommon for powerlifters to move up a weight class and, if not lose weight on the bar, at least not gain all that much. It isn't like squat and bench where extra bodyweight GREATLY enhances performance.

To suggest a 365-pound Ronnie would immediately deadlift 900 pounds because he pulled (with wrist straps) 800 for two at 325 or whatever is nonsense. Especially when one considers, as I said, the man was on ungodly amounts of sauce when he did tha videotaped pull.




You keep bringing up how much juice Ronnie was on. Like the powerlifter's who set the records arent on all kinds of stuff?
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: OTHstrong on October 03, 2011, 01:52:06 PM
What are you on about?

The deadlift, from a powerlifting standpoint, shouldn't be trained more than once each week, MAX. Some of the very best deadlifters work the lift only once or twice in a month. It is extremely taxing on the system, unlike any other exercise, including squat. Why do you think competitors stop pulling as much as one month out from a meet?

I was the one who said the record at the time of Ronnie's two reps was far greater than 925. Are you on crack? What you suggest I said is the exact opposite of what I did say. What a tosser.
Listen, to think Coleman would have an easy time putting over 100 pounds onto his 800-pound pull is pure lunacy. Could he have done it? Possibly, sure. But even if he could have, it wouldn't have been easy. Not in the slightest.

In many ways, extra bodyweight can hinder deadlifting performance. It's not uncommon for powerlifters to move up a weight class and, if not lose weight on the bar, at least not gain all that much. It isn't like squat and bench where extra bodyweight GREATLY enhances performance.

To suggest a 365-pound Ronnie would immediately deadlift 900 pounds because he pulled (with wrist straps) 800 for two at 325 or whatever is nonsense. Especially when one considers, as I said, the man was on ungodly amounts of sauce when he did tha videotaped pull.




I obviously made a typo. the deadlift record was not over 925, so you are the one that said it was and you where wrong and still wrong, are you on crack. In a recent interview with Benedikt Magnussan, the world record holder, he says he deadlifts 3 times a week, again your lack of research is showing
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on October 03, 2011, 01:53:03 PM
You keep bringing up how much juice Ronnie was on. Like the powerlifter's who set the records arent on all kinds of stuff?

You know it's interesting point you make , I wonder what the differences in drug regimens are
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: ChristopherA on October 03, 2011, 02:14:58 PM
You know it's interesting point you make , I wonder what the differences in drug regimens are
We need to post a pic of a top powerlifter so GH15 can tell us exactly what he's on.  ;D
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on October 03, 2011, 02:20:46 PM
We need to post a pic of a top powerlifter so GH15 can tell us exactly what he's on.  ;D

LMFAO

Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: yates fan on October 03, 2011, 03:07:29 PM
bodyweight doesnt help with deadlifts as much as it does squats and the bench,example ed coan pulled 900 at 220,then moved up to the 242#class and even the 275#class briefly and while his squat and bench went uo considerably he never pulled 900# again.
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: Fortress on October 03, 2011, 03:57:59 PM
You keep bringing up how much juice Ronnie was on. Like the powerlifter's who set the records arent on all kinds of stuff?

Of course they are. I don't say what I do about Ronnie's use as a way to exclude the use by strength athletes. If you don't understand why I make the comment, than what can I do? You simply don't understand much.
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: Fortress on October 03, 2011, 04:01:43 PM
I obviously made a typo. the deadlift record was not over 925, so you are the one that said it was and you where wrong and still wrong, are you on crack. In a recent interview with Benedikt Magnussan, the world record holder, he says he deadlifts 3 times a week, again your lack of research is showing

What a fucktard. There were top powerlifters pulling over 925 at that time, man. Like I say in another post much earlier, Coan yanked 901 at 219 pounds bodyweight almost 20 friggin' years ago. Are you only looking at one federation's records or something?

And, yes, Benedikt ... Does he pull three times each week FROM THE FLOOR?

Regardless, I never said there aren't lifters who do unusual (less practiced) routines, did I? No, I did not.

Fuck sakes.
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: OTHstrong on October 03, 2011, 04:23:27 PM
Of course they are. I don't say what I do about Ronnie's use as a way to exclude the use by strength athletes. If you don't understand why I make the comment, than what can I do? You simply don't understand much.
Your logic is so flawed its not even funny,your theory works against you so badly, let me explain; everyone knows there are certain compounds that add strength and a lot more that apply to physique only which Coleman took in abundance, now if you factor in the 75% of his arsenol is not strength related and therefore elimated, he can therefore increase the compounds that increase strength dramatically, but this of course won't bring up hs deads, cause according to you nothing will, how are you going to argue this

You already are makng a fool of yourself when not sdmitting that he did these feats of strength not living like a powerlifter and that if he went to powerlifting lifestyle religiously he would not change, like saying an a somone that hasn't trained in mma beats up a top mma fighter with pure aggression and power, now he trains mma religiously but doesn't change, ::) give it up :-\
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: OTHstrong on October 03, 2011, 04:26:09 PM
What a fucktard. There were top powerlifters pulling over 925 at that time, man. Like I say in another post much earlier, Coan yanked 901 at 219 pounds bodyweight almost 20 friggin' years ago. Are you only looking at one federation's records or something?

And, yes, Benedikt ... Does he pull three times each week FROM THE FLOOR?

Regardless, I never said there aren't lifters who do unusual (less practiced) routines, did I? No, I did not.

Fuck sakes.
Now you are resorting to name call, OK you f-retard I can do that too, prove tome some was pulling more then 925 at that time you reatrd, you know nothing about this if you don't even know that
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: Fortress on October 03, 2011, 04:33:00 PM
Now you are resorting to name call, OK you f-retard I can do that too, prove tome some was pulling more then 925 at that time you reatrd, you know nothing about this if you don't even know that

I can think of several early-to-mid 900s that were being pulled as far back as the mid-'90s. Hell, a quick scan of records on the 'net will yield the exact numbers.

Why do you think hitting a grand has been such a major thing for the past 30 years? Because SEVERAL HAVE COME SO CLOSE.
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: Fortress on October 03, 2011, 04:33:35 PM
Your logic is so flawed its not even funny,your theory works against you so badly, let me explain; everyone knows there are certain compounds that add strength and a lot more that apply to physique only which Coleman took in abundance, now if you factor in the 75% of his arsenol is not strength related and therefore elimated, he can therefore increase the compounds that increase strength dramatically, but this of course won't bring up hs deads, cause according to you nothing will, how are you going to argue this

You already are makng a fool of yourself when not sdmitting that he did these feats of strength not living like a powerlifter and that if he went to powerlifting lifestyle religiously he would not change, like saying an a somone that hasn't trained in mma beats up a top mma fighter with pure aggression and power, now he trains mma religiously but doesn't change, ::) give it up :-\

Okay, you win.  ::)
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: OTHstrong on October 03, 2011, 04:41:37 PM
Now you are resorting to name call, OK you f-retard I can do that too, prove tome some was pulling more then 925 at that time you reatrd, you know nothing about this if you don't even know that
Everyone was talking about this when his video came out nearly ten years ago, 925 was record, magazines, internet boards everyone was talking about 925, it is well knowed until Andy Bolton came along dumbass
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: OTHstrong on October 03, 2011, 04:42:11 PM
Okay, you win.  ::)
I know :-*
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: hangclean on October 03, 2011, 04:48:35 PM
You know it's interesting point you make , I wonder what the differences in drug regimens are
test, anadrol, dbol, tren (or deca). In large amounts.
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: Fortress on October 03, 2011, 04:50:21 PM
You're wrong, but I grow tired of this.
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: hangclean on October 03, 2011, 04:50:40 PM
by the way, fortress is the only one talking sense in this thread.  The difference between 800 and 900 in the deadlift is enourmous.  Without straps, I would guess he was good for maybe 850 in his prime.
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: Hulkotron on October 03, 2011, 04:58:19 PM
Well, that's what I used when I totaled over 2100.  Most of the other guys I know use a combination of those drugs and recently a lot of guys use huge doses of anavar before meets.

What do guys take right before meets (like day-of)?
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: hangclean on October 03, 2011, 04:59:33 PM
What do guys take right before meets (like day-of)?
ephedrine and halotestin.  problem is most UG halotestin is fake nowadays.
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: hangclean on October 03, 2011, 05:00:39 PM
If you can find real stenox, that is the good stuff.
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: ChristopherA on October 03, 2011, 05:23:46 PM
Of course they are. I don't say what I do about Ronnie's use as a way to exclude the use by strength athletes. If you don't understand why I make the comment, than what can I do? You simply don't understand much.
Gotcha he's maxed out as far as drug usage. Duh was tarded for a sec there
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: the_swami on October 03, 2011, 08:37:19 PM
Ronnie will likely be the strongest BB in the history of the sport..................f orever
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: Nasty Nate on October 03, 2011, 09:37:38 PM
ephedrine and halotestin.  problem is most UG halotestin is fake nowadays.

how much of each of these ?
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: Steve Namat on October 03, 2011, 10:32:02 PM
Awesome lifts!

And the 200s weren't too heavy for Ronnie...of course it's not fake!

This is me with 170s, I wasn't at my strongest at all and I'm nowhere to the size and strength of Ronnie...

Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: BB on October 03, 2011, 11:49:40 PM
On Benni's deadlift training, this was his training program as offered up by a training partner in 2009 or so, and if you look at his traing hall tapes they are still doing similar work-

Week A
Deadlift warm up to about 80%
80% 8setx2reps
Platform deadlift about 3-4inch high
Train with weights from 40-70%
4-6set x 4reps Speed!
Then go down to about 40-50% 2setx8reps

Week B
Deadlift. Work up to 3rep max.
Platform deadlift about 3-4inch high
With weights from 50-75%
4-6set x 3-5reps Speed
Then go down to about 50% for 2setsx8reps

Week C
Jeff Jet Method Deadlift ( This is hard to write down )
When you do Jeff Jet Method deadlift you start by doing a rack pull. Then your training partners take the rack away and you go down and then up! Then your partners put the rack back in! The rep starts up by your thighs then you go down and up again ( I hope you get it )
A guy from America told us about this. His name is Jeff Jet. We started doing this because pretty much everything me and Benedikt can pull up we can do more reps! So we thought this would be a great way to do work with much more weight to shock the body! It worked!

Jeff Jet Method Deadlift - Go up in 1-3reps max ( Do what the day allows!! )
Platform deadlift about 3-4inch high
4set x 4-6reps with weights from 50-60%


Deadlifts are trained 1x a week.

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Now my commentary on various things touched on in this thread-


Now, just a caveat, many guys at the top levels are more instinctive, so there might be changes that never make it to print.

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Now as to whether jacking Ronnie up to 300+ lbs in the offseason would help? Maybe, maybe not. As mentioned, when guys add weight, many times their squats go up, but their deads drop because the mechanics of their pulls change. Hence the old powerlifting axiom "keep adding weight till your deadlift goes down".

From what I've seen and judging him against others in the strength sports, I'd bet he'd wind up with a #2200- 2300 rawish total or so.

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As far as drugs go,

Dianabol, Anadrol, and Test are always the base drugs. Figure a gram to 2 grams of those a week. Tren is added in by some now, it's a bit more popular withe younger lifters. Eq and Deca are more popular with the older guys. Anavar and Halotestin are popular if you can find a quality source and have the money to run them right. Many just run Halo on training days and pre meet. Anavar has to be at least 50mg+ a day to be worthwhile in many people's eyes. Superdrol sometimes gets added in sometimes too.

Pre meet-

Ephedrine, Halo, Dianabol, Anadrol, and if you can find them, Cheque Drops are used, but have lost some favor.

Many guys just bump the Anadrol and Dianabol to 100mg/d for Dianabol and 150-200mg/d for Anadrol the week of the meet and leave it at that.

Cheque Drops have to be timed exactly against attempts or they'll do more harm than good many times.

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One last thing, it was mentioned that Strongmen don't bench or bench infrequently at the higher levels, that's mis-information. They all bench and bench a lot. There are times that inclines or Push presses, etc.... are given more emphasis by some. But the bench is still a bread and butter lift.
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: NotMrAverage on October 04, 2011, 05:15:44 AM
Test susp + halotestin + D-bol + Tren Ace...I broke some records on this stack minus the tren ace (did EQ instead). Tren Ace was not around then...maybe some parabolan amps but they were to hard to get...But now when itīs aN easier find just go with it... READ THE BIBLE FROM GOD JUST DO IT!
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: noeasywayout on October 04, 2011, 05:19:50 AM
Ronnie is one strong ass mofo.

"That's one 100-pound and 10 45-pound plates." On a T-Bar. Seriously WTF?

 ;)
 light weight....
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: Palpatine Q on October 04, 2011, 05:27:51 AM
;)
 light weight....


Dude makes you want to lift some heavy ass weight...straight up.

the only BBer whose vids make me want to train
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: Red Hook on October 04, 2011, 05:30:08 AM
I still think the dumbbells in "The Unbelieveable" are fake. He gets them in the starting position + the first rep so easily when everyone else is struggling like a MoFo just to get them from your knees back, seems fake to me.

lol, classic getbig...you think that the dumbbells are fake because he didn't struggle enough on the first rep for you?  ::)
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: StanZoLOL on October 04, 2011, 05:37:02 AM
Awesome lifts!

And the 200s weren't too heavy for Ronnie...of course it's not fake!

This is me with 170s, I wasn't at my strongest at all and I'm nowhere to the size and strength of Ronnie...



Good stuff there; made them look light.
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: WillGrant on October 04, 2011, 05:48:35 AM
Fair enough. However, even on gas, 200s in pressing movements isn't light weight for ANYBODY. Well, maybe a prime Kazmaier (ha, ha), but very, very few others.

 
Mes warms up with the 200's and he is natty - all jamaican food budddaaaayyyy
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: andreisdaman on October 04, 2011, 06:08:50 AM
;)
 light weight....



Ronnie's a monster....I can only do 4 plates max...he's amazing
Title: Re: amazing how strong Ronnie was!
Post by: purenaturalstrength on October 04, 2011, 06:51:21 AM
Ronnie the strongest?! Such an ignorant statement. Coleman, at his biggest and best, was one strong SOB, but please, dude.  

And below three is all technique, bone size and tendon strength? Even more ridiculousness.

I'll say it again. How can a board devoted to weight training have so many clueless individuals when it comes to strength and power?  ::)



actually he makes a lot of sense