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Every person who is serious about bbing, watches his diet, training AND follows online boards like this, has tried at least ONCE an oral
steroid. Period.
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Every person who is serious about bbing, watches his diet, training AND follows online boards like this, has tried at least ONCE an oral
steroid. Period.
Adam in 3..............2........ ......1............
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a good natural is a dead one
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That's quite a claim...
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Every person who is serious about bbing, watches his diet, training AND follows online boards like this, has tried at least ONCE an oral
steroid. Period.
Never! I cut protein powder yrs back, just food now. I may do test since I'm in my 30s but that will be via doc, no billboard shit. Next?
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a good natural is a dead one
:D
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Never! I cut protein powder yrs back, just food now. I may do test since I'm in my 30s but that will be via doc, no billboard shit. Next?
If you run test, then you wouldn't be "natural"... So you're saying that where you get it from makes the difference as to if you can still claim natural? Come on man!!! That's just lying to yourself!!
I tend to agree with the premise of the thread but have no proof to say one way or the other
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Every person who is serious about bbing, watches his diet, training AND follows online boards like this, has tried at least ONCE an oral
steroid. Period.
Nope but when i reach what i percieve as a very strong base for me i will.
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Never! I cut protein powder yrs back, just food now. I may do test since I'm in my 30s but that will be via doc, no billboard shit. Next?
What do you have against protein powder?
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Every person who is serious about bbing, watches his diet, training AND follows online boards like this, has tried at least ONCE an oral
steroid. Period.
And you can speak for everyone on planet earth.... :-\
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Every person who is serious about bbing, watches his diet, training AND follows online boards like this, has tried at least ONCE an oral
steroid. Period.
What do you mean by '' serious about bbing''
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What do you have against protein powder?
Sugar and ch4, but i'd say true protein is the real deal.
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What do you mean by '' serious about bbing''
Watching Mr O and posing in your Y fronts to My All by Mariah Carey during the posedowns?
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Watching Mr O and posing in your Y fronts to My All by Mariah Carey during the posedowns?
;D
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Every person who is serious about bbing, watches his diet, training AND follows online boards like this, has tried at least ONCE an oral
steroid. Period.
If in 2005 a person had a few drinks should they be classified as an alcoholic in 2011?
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That's quite a claim...
It's like those gay guys who claim all men are gay. "If I'm gettin stuck in the ass, everyone is."
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If in 2005 a person had a few drinks should they be classified as an alcoholic in 2011?
You're not natural.
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Thats like saying every guy who has competed has sucked a judge's dick at least ONCE. Are there things, Meso? ;D
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I remember one of the best posts that Tom Prince made on Muscle Mayhem when it first got up and running, it was in regards to being natural or not. He said "who cares, why does every one have to turn someones physique into a 'is he natural or not?' argument?"
The ONLY time it should really turn into an argument is when you have douchebags like Adrain or Achilles trying (and doing so poorly) to scam people that they're natural so they can win something. Pretty pathetic that you can't win shit in life, so you jump on sauce and since you still can't win shit, you resort to lying...and still ain't winning shit.
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I remember one of the best posts that Tom Prince made on Muscle Mayhem when it first got up and running, it was in regards to being natural or not. He said "who cares, why does every one have to turn someones physique into a 'is he natural or not?' argument?"
The ONLY time it should really turn into an argument is when you have douchebags like Adrain or Achilles trying (and doing so poorly) to scam people that they're natural so they can win something. Pretty pathetic that you can't win shit in life, so you jump on sauce and since you still can't win shit, you resort to lying...and still ain't winning shit.
This I can agree with.
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If in 2005 a person had a few drinks should they be classified as an alcoholic in 2011?
No, but what about if you used m1t in 2005. Would you still be classified as a natural now?
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If in 2005 a person had a few drinks should they be classified as an alcoholic in 2011?
Youre not natural man, give it a rest. not natural, not even clean.
And you might have the best physique on the boards, arent you happy with that? You want the "natural" label as well?
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I remember one of the best posts that Tom Prince made on Muscle Mayhem when it first got up and running, it was in regards to being natural or not. He said "who cares, why does every one have to turn someones physique into a 'is he natural or not?' argument?"
The ONLY time it should really turn into an argument is when you have douchebags like Adrain or Achilles trying (and doing so poorly) to scam people that they're natural so they can win something. Pretty pathetic that you can't win shit in life, so you jump on sauce and since you still can't win shit, you resort to lying...and still ain't winning shit.
X2
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mr. gronk was natural the first 45 years of his life then..... ::) ::) ::)
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No, but what about if you used m1t in 2005. Would you still be classified as a natural now?
What you classify a person in 2011 that used m1t in 2005? CLean? Then so be it
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mr. gronk was natural the first 45 years of his life then..... ::) ::) ::)
Unprovoked meltdown.
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Unprovoked meltdown.
He's in a perpetual state of meltdown.
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What you classify a person in 2011 that used m1t in 2005? CLean? Then so be it
Adrain, you are a natural idol for a lot of people taking the hard road, the non steroid route...
Sometimes in the gym and I see the juicers loafing...I bust out a few extra reps shouting "Adrain, Adrain" in my Rocky voice. Those last reps are for you buddy, all for you.
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Every person who is serious about bbing, watches his diet, training AND follows online boards like this, has tried at least ONCE an oral
steroid. Period.
I haven't :-\
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Unprovoked meltdown.
lol ok if you think so :-X
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not me. but not like I have an insane physique to show for either.
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Adrain, you are a natural idol for a lot of people taking the hard road, the non steroid route...
Sometimes in the gym and I see the juicers loafing...I bust out a few extra reps shouting "Adrain, Adrain" in my Rocky voice. Those last reps are for you buddy, all for you.
Hahahahahha gold
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Youre not natural man, give it a rest. not natural, not even clean.
And you might have the best physique on the boards, arent you happy with that? You want the "natural" label as well?
I haven't given myself the "natural" label, I never bring up that word or start post talking about my status others always do. When ask what I use I tell and have told the truth. Never said I best or biggest or strongest I don't have a hateful word towards anyone. Lies will get nowhere lol the truth has gotten me nowhere either. I just train been doing so since 2005. You can build a good physique with juice! No you won't look like an ifbb bodybuilder! But one can have an above average build without juice.
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This I can agree with.
so you agree with this because it's about adrian but when it comes to your freind gronk you lick his ass ;D
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so you agree with this because it's about adrian but when it comes to your freind gronk you lick his ass ;D
Lick his ass? Why bring Nasser nights into this ???
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Lick his ass? Why bring Nasser nights into this ???
yes you always lick your friends asses here.. adrain is not your friend so you believe he is lying about being natural but you have no problem to believe gronk was natural for 45 years then all of a sudden after being an old man decided to try roids!!!.. ::)
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yes you always lick your friends asses here..
How could I, Team Nasser wrote the book on that one 8)
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How could I, Team Nasser wrote the book on that one 8)
keep the jokes in that stupid fat thread and dont change the subject here :-X
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I haven't given myself the "natural" label, I never bring up that word or start post talking about my status others always do.
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Re: For the experts...Sevastase, QuakerOats, GH15...Natural or not??????
« Reply #30 on: October 13, 2008, 07:09:09 PM »
adrain { big koncrete} here to say my peace then Im done, As far as being a life time natural, its true! Ive never in my life taken any roids hgh of anything of that nature.
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I haven't given myself the "natural" label, I never bring up that word or start post talking about my status others always do. When ask what I use I tell and have told the truth. Never said I best or biggest or strongest I don't have a hateful word towards anyone. Lies will get nowhere lol the truth has gotten me nowhere either. I just train been doing so since 2005. You can build a good physique with juice! No you won't look like an ifbb bodybuilder! But one can have an above average build without juice.
so, have you, or have you not taken any form of PED including but not limited to: steroids; legal and/or illegal, insulin, Human Growth Hormone, or prohormones; in any dosages of the aforementioned during any point in your life?
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I haven't given myself the "natural" label, I never bring up that word or start post talking about my status others always do. When ask what I use I tell and have told the truth. Never said I best or biggest or strongest I don't have a hateful word towards anyone. Lies will get nowhere lol the truth has gotten me nowhere either. I just train been doing so since 2005. You can build a good physique with juice! No you won't look like an ifbb bodybuilder! But one can have an above average build without juice.
You get your ass handed on a plate on a routine basis around here and you still serve us this bullshit red hot as if it were going out of style?
Che just owned you, I owned you and you won't engage us because you've already lost. You only engage those you think you can win a war of words against and you still lose. You're pathetic.
In addition to whatever it is you take, you must take ostrich gonad suspension too, because you come off feeling if you hide your head in the sand that whatever you don't see won't see you.
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You get your ass handed on a plate on a routine basis around here and you still serve us this bullshit red hot as if it were going out of style?
Che just owned you, I owned you and you won't engage us because you've already lost. You only engage those you think you can win a war of words against and you still lose. You're pathetic.
In addition to whatever it is you take, you must take ostrich gonad suspension too, because you come off feeling if you hide your head in the sand that whatever you don't see won't see you.
I havent engaged anyone and Che can post whatever he likes! I've posted before I've purchased m1t at gnc when it was out and wasn't banned by the natural organizations. I've never broken any rules or tried to cheat the system? That was back in 06 it's 2011 now are the ph's still the in system? Call me clean or whatever at the end of the day I still believe a good physique can be built without steroids hgh or ph's.
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Every person who is serious about bbing, watches his diet, training AND follows online boards like this, has tried at least ONCE an oral
steroid. Period.
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ya he seems to speak for everyone
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fuck the weak, fuck all natties..
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Adrain bigger and stronger than Arnold.
Adrain stats:
Height: 6' 3"
Waist: 29"
Weight: 245lbs
Thighs: 28"
Calves: 17"
Chest: 50"
Forearms: 16"
Arms: 21"
Shoulders: 57"
Bench 520lbs.
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Adrain bigger and stronger than Arnold.
Adrain stats:
Height: 6' 3"
Waist: 29"
Weight: 245lbs
Thighs: 28"
Calves: 17"
Chest: 50"
Forearms: 16"
Arms: 21"
Shoulders: 57"
Bench 520lbs.
29" waist at 245lbs MY ASS
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Adrain bigger and stronger than Arnold.
Adrain stats:
Height: 6' 3"
Waist: 29"
Weight: 245lbs
Thighs: 28"
Calves: 17"
Chest: 50"
Forearms: 16"
Arms: 21"
Shoulders: 57"
Bench 520lbs.
Supps have come a long way
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Every person who is serious about bbing, watches his diet, training AND follows online boards like this, has tried at least ONCE an oral
steroid. Period.
L0L. IT'S ALWAYS EASY T0 SAY THIS T0 MAKE Y0URSELF FEEL BETTER.
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IT'S ALWAYS THE DEGENRATES AND GENETIC DEFECTS THAT ACCUSE EVEN PE0PLE WITH NATURAL STATS 0F TAKING DRUGS.
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I havent engaged anyone and Che can post whatever he likes! I've posted before I've purchased m1t at gnc when it was out and wasn't banned by the natural organizations. I've never broken any rules or tried to cheat the system? That was back in 06 it's 2011 now are the ph's still the in system? Call me clean or whatever at the end of the day I still believe a good physique can be built without steroids hgh or ph's.
Adrain bigger and stronger than Arnold.
Adrain stats:
Height: 6' 3"
Waist: 29"
Weight: 245lbs
Thighs: 28"
Calves: 17"
Chest: 50"
Forearms: 16"
Arms: 21"
Shoulders: 57"
Bench 520lbs.
Che-2
Lying Dipshit-0
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so, have you, or have you not taken any form of PED including but not limited to: steroids; legal and/or illegal, insulin, Human Growth Hormone, or prohormones; in any dosages of the aforementioned during any point in your life?
adrain
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adrain
Ph's in 2006
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If you're talking about truly massive and lean folks... the chance to meet a natural person is slim to nonexistent. Sooner or later folks who want that specific look(lean and at the same time super full) take the chemical route.
To each his own and given that someone does it well the results may be well worth it.
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29" waist at 245lbs MY ASS
What do you think my waist measures? (http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/img/user_images/growable/2011/09/26/11085693/profilepic/1nlu6KcTdq37AsIw6tHLXjrFJMW2175.jpeg)
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a good natural is a dead one
;D
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If in 2005 a person had a few drinks should they be classified as an alcoholic in 2011?
Go fuck yourself
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color of truth ::)
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What do you think my waist measures? (http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/img/user_images/growable/2011/09/26/11085693/profilepic/1nlu6KcTdq37AsIw6tHLXjrFJMW2175.jpeg)
about the same number of CC's you shoot in those delts per week
33 or so
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What do you think my waist measures? (http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/img/user_images/growable/2011/09/26/11085693/profilepic/1nlu6KcTdq37AsIw6tHLXjrFJMW2175.jpeg)
Dunno. Post a picture with the tape measure around it. ;)
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Ph's in 2006
So you confirm that you have never, ever taken steroids or GH? Admitting to taking PH's is not the same as categorically denying the others.
Just clarify you have never taken these other things and I can keep my Adrain posters on the wall.
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he would normally be respected around here for his physique.
but instead he's just another liar.
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he would normally be respected around here for his physique.
but instead he's just another liar.
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Even Goodrum deserve more respect than that piece of shit Adrain
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I remember one of the best posts that Tom Prince made on Muscle Mayhem when it first got up and running, it was in regards to being natural or not. He said "who cares, why does every one have to turn someones physique into a 'is he natural or not?' argument?"
The ONLY time it should really turn into an argument is when you have douchebags like Adrain or Achilles trying (and doing so poorly) to scam people that they're natural so they can win something. Pretty pathetic that you can't win shit in life, so you jump on sauce and since you still can't win shit, you resort to lying...and still ain't winning shit.
They need to start classifying ALL "sports" as *natural* or *not natural* (pharmaceutically enhanced?")
Football
Baseball
Golf
Soccer
Tennis
You name it. Why only bodybuilding?
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So you confirm that you have never, ever taken steroids or GH? Admitting to taking PH's is not the same as categorically denying the others.
Just clarify you have never taken these other things and I can keep my Adrain posters on the wall.
To clarify I have taken ph's back in 2006 have not touch them since' Ive never taken steroids or hgh, never injected anything into my body I've never even been DRUNK or high! The stats where taken a few years back and I haven't updated them, every thing is pretty much the same except leg and calves have decreased due to non squatting/lower back issues. I don't own a tape measure and not about to buy one I haven't weighted myself in over a year now and never in my life have I measured my bf%. Off to gym now LEG DAY.
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To clarify I have taken ph's back in 2006 have not touch them since' Ive never taken steroids or hgh, never injected anything into my body I've never even been DRUNK or high! The stats where taken a few years back and I haven't updated them, every thing is pretty much the same except leg and calves have decreased due to non squatting/lower back issues. I don't own a tape measure and not about to buy one I haven't weighted myself in over a year now and never in my life have I measured my bf%. Off to gym now LEG DAY.
Phew..thanks Adrain. Yo, Adrain have a great - natty - leg workout bro.
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Every person who is serious about bbing, watches his diet, training AND follows online boards like this, has tried at least ONCE an oral
steroid. Period.
Not true. I know a guy who could do some damage at shows and he hasnt touched one steroid in his life. makess me jealous this looks just about as good as me when im juiced to the gills. he is just a hard worker always at the gym he is a definition gymrat. I mean no wife no kids no life. just goes to the gym after work and stays there for a few hrs and on the weekends hes there saturday and sunday. there hasnt been a day when I have been at the gym where he hasnt been there too.Ive talked to him and he knows a little bit about steroids like some of the names but he has never tried them he said he had a friend who tried anadrol and got sick in 2 days. all he does is take that EAS phosphagen he is that old school has never tried a diffrent brand. he tans and does the whole 9 yards. everybody in the gym asks this guy training questions! even I have he helped me with my training before I started juicing. we have worked out together many times. He spits on steroids and drugs. Im the opposite.He can tell when im using and makes me feel like a cheat when I am on a cycle. and I dont think he follows the boards I have not asked.but honestly this guy has legit 18inch arms that are in peak condition and a super thick chest all around great physique. anybody who saw him would swear he was a juicehead but he is not.I know I have mentioned this dude before and im sure your sick of hearing about him but he is honestly the best natural I have ever seen!
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Not true. I know a guy who could do some damage at shows and he hasnt touched one steroid in his life. makess me jealous this looks just about as good as me when im juiced to the gills. he is just a hard worker always at the gym he is a definition gymrat. I mean no wife no kids no life. just goes to the gym after work and stays there for a few hrs and on the weekends hes there saturday and sunday. there hasnt been a day when I have been at the gym where he hasnt been there too.Ive talked to him and he knows a little bit about steroids like some of the names but he has never tried them he said he had a friend who tried anadrol and got sick in 2 days. all he does is take that EAS phosphagen he is that old school has never tried a diffrent brand. he tans and does the whole 9 yards. everybody in the gym asks this guy training questions! even I have he helped me with my training before I started juicing. we have worked out together many times. He spits on steroids and drugs. Im the opposite.He can tell when im using and makes me feel like a cheat when I am on a cycle. and I dont think he follows the boards I have not asked.but honestly this guy has legit 18inch arms that are in peak condition and a super thick chest all around great physique. anybody who saw him would swear he was a juicehead but he is not.I know I have mentioned this dude before and im sure your sick of hearing about him but he is honestly the best natural I have ever seen!
You all always talk about how great naturals look that you know and how you know 100%that that person is/was natural.
A few points:
1. Steroid users in the gyms are a minority, not the majority. There are tons of people working out, "building their bodies" that train without using steroids.
2. Now when it comes to competitive bodybuilding, i'd say we come close to 100% steroid users, maybe a few misguided naturals in their first show, but i seriously even doubt that.
3. Naturals don't look great, looking like a natural is nothing to write home about. We are used to see roided up bodies from actors, rock stars, "celebrities" of any sort, athletes and bodybuilders.
4. If you doubt that someone might be on the sauce, he probably is or has been.
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Not true. I know a guy who could do some damage at shows and he hasnt touched one steroid in his life. makess me jealous this looks just about as good as me when im juiced to the gills. he is just a hard worker always at the gym he is a definition gymrat. I mean no wife no kids no life. just goes to the gym after work and stays there for a few hrs and on the weekends hes there saturday and sunday. there hasnt been a day when I have been at the gym where he hasnt been there too.Ive talked to him and he knows a little bit about steroids like some of the names but he has never tried them he said he had a friend who tried anadrol and got sick in 2 days. all he does is take that EAS phosphagen he is that old school has never tried a diffrent brand. he tans and does the whole 9 yards. everybody in the gym asks this guy training questions! even I have he helped me with my training before I started juicing. we have worked out together many times. He spits on steroids and drugs. Im the opposite.He can tell when im using and makes me feel like a cheat when I am on a cycle. and I dont think he follows the boards I have not asked.but honestly this guy has legit 18inch arms that are in peak condition and a super thick chest all around great physique. anybody who saw him would swear he was a juicehead but he is not.I know I have mentioned this dude before and im sure your sick of hearing about him but he is honestly the best natural I have ever seen!
Hi adrain
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Every person who is serious about bbing, watches his diet, training AND follows online boards like this, has tried at least ONCE an oral
steroid. Period.
This is not true
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I know i'm gonna get shit for this...Ive always been open about my steroid addiction but i only used clenbuterol here..not as impressive as adrian but i got pretty lean .....this was yearsss ago
(http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd472/EGUN17/198589_10150124926441817_545641816_7067084_5712478_n.jpg)
(http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd472/EGUN17/32003_413012611816_545641816_4825875_5200191_n.jpg)
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I have trained pure naturals. You don't see them very often.
What I am talking about is natural *structure* ~ whether or not they ended up juicing down the road after I got through with them, well, that's another story.
BUT! Every so often (rarely) someone walks into the gym for the first time and you can see the inherent genetic blessings they possess. I've seen it on women even more often, but that's because my gym is packed with females.
Some people are just born with a certain build that is already light-years ahead of the rest. It is RARE! But they are out there.
Haven't you ever seen a dude with calves that rival Mike Matarazzos that you know damn well has NEVER hit a weight in his life? Ever talked to someone like that? They are born that way.
For the most part, there is probably 99% lying going on in regards to steroids, but there is that 1% that nobody seems to think about in a positive way. Mark my words. They are out there.
They might even be crackheads and still look better than you do after all of your years of effort in the gym... and I'm not talking about Cormier.
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Supps have come a long way
nutrient timing and weider principles
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What do you think my waist measures? (http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/img/user_images/growable/2011/09/26/11085693/profilepic/1nlu6KcTdq37AsIw6tHLXjrFJMW2175.jpeg)
if you were a natural you would hop on 500mg of test and win the olympia.
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You all always talk about how great naturals look that you know and how you know 100%that that person is/was natural.
A few points:
1. Steroid users in the gyms are a minority, not the majority. There are tons of people working out, "building their bodies" that train without using steroids.
2. Now when it comes to competitive bodybuilding, i'd say we come close to 100% steroid users, maybe a few misguided naturals in their first show, but i seriously even doubt that.
3. Naturals don't look great, looking like a natural is nothing to write home about. We are used to see roided up bodies from actors, rock stars, "celebrities" of any sort, athletes and bodybuilders.
4. If you doubt that someone might be on the sauce, he probably is or has been.
very good posting VERY VERY GOOD POSTING,,
gh15 approved
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IT'S ALWAYS THE DEGENRATES AND GENETIC DEFECTS THAT ACCUSE EVEN PE0PLE WITH NATURAL STATS 0F TAKING DRUGS.
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I have trained pure naturals. You don't see them very often.
What I am talking about is natural *structure* ~ whether or not they ended up juicing down the road after I got through with them, well, that's another story.
BUT! Every so often (rarely) someone walks into the gym for the first time and you can see the inherent genetic blessings they possess. I've seen it on women even more often, but that's because my gym is packed with females.
Some people are just born with a certain build that is already light-years ahead of the rest. It is RARE! But they are out there.
Haven't you ever seen a dude with calves that rival Mike Matarazzos that you know damn well has NEVER hit a weight in his life? Ever talked to someone like that? They are born that way.
For the most part, there is probably 99% lying going on in regards to steroids, but there is that 1% that nobody seems to think about in a positive way. Mark my words. They are out there.
They might even be crackheads and still look better than you do after all of your years of effort in the gym... and I'm not talking about Cormier.
Steroids or not, genetics=everything!
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What do you think my waist measures? (http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/img/user_images/growable/2011/09/26/11085693/profilepic/1nlu6KcTdq37AsIw6tHLXjrFJMW2175.jpeg)
natural? hahahahhahahahhahah thanks i needed a good laugh hahahahahah oh brother ::)
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Every person who is serious about bbing, watches his diet, training AND follows online boards like this, has tried at least ONCE an oral
steroid. Period.
This is utter crap.
If you value your body and bodybuild for health (and vanity) only like me then you won't have ever taken drugs. PERIOD
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if you were a natural you would hop on 500mg of test and win the olympia.
in his case, 250mg would be enough i guess... ;D ;D ;D
What a fucking liar.
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This is utter crap.
If you value your body and bodybuild for health (and vanity) only like me then you won't have ever taken drugs. PERIOD
Are you not the guy who was bragging about being part of the UKBBF or something ::) yeah only naturals in that fed, your own boss old Bill was a juicer ::)
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in his case, 250mg would be enough i guess... ;D ;D ;D
What a fucking liar.
X2, typical chocolate face ::)
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Are you not the guy who was bragging about being part of the UKBBF or something ::) yeah only naturals in that fed, your own boss old Bill was a juicer ::)
I'm not part of any claimed natural association no.
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Here's a lifetime natural with a 29 inch waist @ 5'11" 158 6-7% but with a missing leg lol
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Here's a lifetime natural with a 29 inch waist @ 5'11" 158 6-7% but with a missing leg lol
You died for Getbig's sins..
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I'm not part of any claimed natural association no.
You did say you were part of the UK IFBB, if you are so into the ''natural'' bodybuilding why dont you fuck BNBF or one of those other twink feds instead of oiling up the roided musclemen in Bills fed ::) fucking schmoe ::)
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(http://www.davepalumbo.com/2006%20Photos/NPC%20TEAM%20UNIVERSE%20FREE/images/DSC07476.jpg)
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Every person who is serious about bbing, watches his diet, training AND follows online boards like this, has tried at least ONCE an oral
steroid. Period.
define what an oral steroid is?
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Adrain, you are a natural idol for a lot of people taking the hard road, the non steroid route...
Sometimes in the gym and I see the juicers loafing...I bust out a few extra reps shouting "Adrain, Adrain" in my Rocky voice. Those last reps are for you buddy, all for you.
hahahahahha
:D
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Every person who is serious about bbing, watches his diet, training AND follows online boards like this, has tried at least ONCE an oral
steroid. Period.
No drug addicts just wish this was true....it somehow lessens their degree of personal accountability for their actions and makes everything bb-drug related par for the course. Now I've met some users on this board that are exceptions to this, but that's a very small number of folks.
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All genetics bitches. I myself is not a fan of massive roided up bods. I mean, I can admire it for what it is, but I NEVER want to look like Kai, Jay, Ronnie or Dorian. Even if I didn't have to use life-threatening amounts of insulin or duiretics would I ever want to look like them. Now saying that, most naturals look shit regardless of how long they've been training, but there is the very very VERY select few with awesome genetics that trains natural and looks great. Not massive and ripped, but a good 200lbs+ and at least 10-12% BF, although, I know fuck all about BF levels so 12% is just a guess. Check out a few rugby players (no homo). Whether they're natural or not I don't know, but I know they're heavily tested all the time so most of them should be natural.
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All genetics bitches. I myself is not a fan of massive roided up bods. I mean, I can admire it for what it is, but I NEVER want to look like Kai, Jay, Ronnie or Dorian. Even if I didn't have to use life-threatening amounts of insulin or duiretics would I ever want to look like them. Now saying that, most naturals look shit regardless of how long they've been training, but there is the very very VERY select few with awesome genetics that trains natural and looks great. Not massive and ripped, but a good 200lbs+ and at least 10-12% BF, although, I know fuck all about BF levels so 12% is just a guess. Check out a few rugby players (no homo). Whether they're natural or not I don't know, but I know they're heavily tested all the time so most of them should be natural.
Hahahaah, don't make it sound as if it were easy to look like a top 3 IFBB pro....
There are the very very very very very few selected naturals, well, they still look shittier than someone on moderate amounts of Test, maybe some Winstrol or Masteron.
You don't look like an IFBB pro "accidentally" because you shoot some steroids, but steroids will help you to look awesome.
hth.
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You get your ass handed on a plate on a routine basis around here and you still serve us this bullshit red hot as if it were going out of style?
Che just owned you, I owned you and you won't engage us because you've already lost. You only engage those you think you can win a war of words against and you still lose. You're pathetic.
In addition to whatever it is you take, you must take ostrich gonad suspension too, because you come off feeling if you hide your head in the sand that whatever you don't see won't see you.
has anyone tried nordics ostrich gonad suspension? i hear good things
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Hahahaah, don't make it sound as if it were easy to look like a top 3 IFBB pro....
There are the very very very very very few selected naturals, well, they still look shittier than someone on moderate amounts of Test, maybe some Winstrol or Masteron.
You don't look like an IFBB pro "accidentally" because you shoot some steroids, but steroids will help you to look awesome.
hth.
No they don't look shittier since not every schmoe on Winny or Test respond well to it. I've seen many guys shoot up and the only changes in their bodies are nuts shrinking and acne growing. There's no change in muscularity. None at all.
Where did I make it sounds as if it's easy to reach the top 3 of the Mr O? I said not everyone wants to look like a pro, top 3 or top 100, makes no difference. If ya want to try, triple the dosage.
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No they don't look shittier since not every schmoe on Winny or Test respond well to it. I've seen many guys shoot up and the only changes in their bodies are nuts shrinking and acne growing. There's no change in muscularity. None at all.
Where did I make it sounds as if it's easy to reach the top 3 of the Mr O? I said not everyone wants to look like a pro, top 3 or top 100, makes no difference. If ya want to try, triple the dosage.
Maybe if they had fake gear, but otherwise if you train and eat enough protein, it's impossible that you don't make any progress.
But i know what you mean, someone with no experience in the gym will not look good after one cycle, but people who know what they are doing and have some experience will look a lot better than before. It's proven many many times.
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Every person who is serious about bbing, watches his diet, training AND follows online boards like this, has tried at least ONCE an oral
steroid. Period.
Nope. Period.
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No they don't look shittier since not every schmoe on Winny or Test respond well to it. I've seen many guys shoot up and the only changes in their bodies are nuts shrinking and acne growing. There's no change in muscularity. None at all.
Where did I make it sounds as if it's easy to reach the top 3 of the Mr O? I said not everyone wants to look like a pro, top 3 or top 100, makes no difference. If ya want to try, triple the dosage.
Natural or juiced you have to train and train in a way that works the muscle, a lot of people train wrong, either pumping light nothing weights for a million reps ::) or using to momentum only to move heavy weight, or doing barely partial reps with a ROM of 1mm ::) saw that today in the gym ::)
i did a contest this past summer, i trained with a guy who also competed, i competed at heavyweight he competed at Welterweight, he took the exact same cycle i did, i sold him the gear and he asked me to give him everything i was taking, compounds and dose, he actually ended up using more than i did, he would finish 10ml of mast in 3-4 days ::) same amount lasted me 20 days, the big difference was he would skip training a lot and when he did show up he just pumped light weights with shitty form, all momentum, no isolation, no working the target muscle, no mind muscle connection, ended up i placed top 3 and he didnt place and everyone thought he was a natural, a bad natural, he looked stupid and completely out of place, our cycle was Tren A,Mast,Winstrol, Anadrol, plus any fat burners we could get plus dieuretics
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Natural or juiced you have to train and train in a way that works the muscle, a lot of people train wrong, either pumping light nothing weights for a million reps ::) or using to momentum only to move heavy weight, or doing barely partial reps with a ROM of 1mm ::) saw that today in the gym ::)
i did a contest this past summer, i trained with a guy who also competed, i competed at heavyweight he competed at Welterweight, he took the exact same cycle i did, i sold him the gear and he asked me to give him everything i was taking, compounds and dose, he actually ended up using more than i did, he would finish 10ml of mast in 3-4 days ::) same amount lasted me 20 days, the big difference was he would skip training a lot and when he did show up he just pumped light weights with shitty form, all momentum, no isolation, no working the target muscle, no mind muscle connection, ended up i placed top 3 and he didnt place and everyone thought he was a natural, a bad natural, he looked stupid and completely out of place, our cycle was Tren A,Mast,Winstrol, Anadrol, plus any fat burners we could get plus dieuretics
I had a workout partner who parroted my workout for almost 3 years, yet he barely looked as if he lifted. I, on the other hand, gained muscle while he did not. I agree with what you're saying, sans the gear of course.
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Adding steroids to an already genetically gifted structure is much like adding NOS to a Corvette Z06.
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I had a workout partner who parroted my workout for almost 3 years, yet he barely looked as if he lifted. I, on the other hand, gained muscle while he did not. I agree with what you're saying, sans the gear of course.
Exactly, gear or no gear, training correctly and working the muscle is important
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I think there are a lot of people on here underestimating natural capabilities!
NOW FEEL MY WRATH!!!!
(http://www.ahmedelattar.com/images/cape2.jpg)
(http://www.ahmedelattar.com/images/cape3.jpg)
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I think there are a lot of people on here underestimating natural capabilities!
NOW FEEL MY WRATH!!!!
(http://www.ahmedelattar.com/images/cape2.jpg)
(http://www.ahmedelattar.com/images/cape3.jpg)
2 points
1 - that's fucking gay
2 - you were not natural
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2 points
1 - that's fucking gay
2 - you were not natural
1 - You're fucking gay
2 - I have admitted to use of Pro-Hormones (and very strong ones too like M1T), but surprise surprise... Those pics (along with my avatar) were before I used them! Biatches! ;D
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I think there are a lot of people on here underestimating natural capabilities!
NOW FEEL MY WRATH!!!!
(http://www.ahmedelattar.com/images/cape2.jpg)
(http://www.ahmedelattar.com/images/cape3.jpg)
couldn't be gayer
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1 - You're fucking gay, sorry im not ::)
2 - I have admitted to use of Pro-Hormones (and very strong ones too like M1T), M1T is a steroid, stop making the ''its a prohormone ::)'' excuse, prohormone is just a homo name supp companies came up with to get around releasing designer experimental steroids into the supp stores ::) but surprise surprise... Those pics (along with my avatar) were before I used them! Biatches! ;D
Anyway you are fat and ugly ::)
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Anyway you are fat and ugly ::)
::) ::) ::)
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couldn't be gayer
Ok yeah that was pretty gay LOLLL....
First and last time I ever use props for a show!
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2 points
1 - that's fucking gay
2 - you were not natural
I think at least one of the above is true..... ::)
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I think there are a lot of people on here underestimating natural capabilities!
NOW FEEL MY WRATH!!!!
(http://www.ahmedelattar.com/images/cape2.jpg)
(http://www.ahmedelattar.com/images/cape3.jpg)
Wow.........I mean..........well...... .....you know when you think about it................wow.
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Could easily be 29" if he's black, plenty of black people have very narrow pelvis. I live in east london, second closest thing to living in Africa ;D, go down the gym seen plenty of the lads there have tiny waist, broad shoulders, one guys looks ridiculous looks like a girls waist, well under 30".
Most of them struggle to deadlift anything half decent too. Though I'd probably trade a big dl for a 29" waist. :-\ :D
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I think there are a lot of people on here underestimating natural capabilities!
NOW FEEL MY WRATH!!!!
(http://www.ahmedelattar.com/images/cape2.jpg)
(http://www.ahmedelattar.com/images/cape3.jpg)
holy fuck...The fuck is that sado-masochist shit necklace ? What in hell wen trhu your mind? first for posing in a tong in front of crowd of males, secondly while wearing such a disguise?
not going to end well.
Maaan, seriously... fucked up.
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u look good there ,,,minus the halloween costume ,,u must have bagged many bags of skittles and mounds with that costume.
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I think there are a lot of people on here underestimating natural capabilities!
NOW FEEL MY WRATH!!!!
(http://www.ahmedelattar.com/images/cape2.jpg)
(http://www.ahmedelattar.com/images/cape3.jpg)
That's his "super-hero" costume!
Big Ach is officially now known as "The Mandangalo"!!!!
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Yeah even I'm now admitting that was pretty bad LOL I didn't even place well at this show either or even win Best poser as I have many times in the past!
I was going for some sort of Robot Alien effect.... Only to end up looking like the gimp ala Pulp Fiction! LOL
The routine (minus the costume) was actually pretty cool though! but yeah wont be trying that again.
Worst part is, my dad, a very serious businessman, was in the crowd! Must have been confused as hell!
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Bro, why the necklace.. seriously lololol
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I think there are a lot of people on here underestimating natural capabilities!
NOW FEEL MY WRATH!!!!
(http://www.ahmedelattar.com/images/cape2.jpg)
(http://www.ahmedelattar.com/images/cape3.jpg)
Holy shit ,gayest thing I've ever seen on Getbig, Hahahaaa .
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First thing I thought of when I saw your picture was the scene in AVATAR where the huge truck drives by the guy in the wheelchair with the arrows sticking out of its tires.
I hope that makes ya feel better, ACH.
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Wow.........I mean..........well...... .....you know when you think about it................wow.
Exactly my thoughts.... :o :o :o :o :o :o
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Yeah even I'm now admitting that was pretty bad LOL I didn't even place well at this show either or even win Best poser as I have many times in the past!
I was going for some sort of Robot Alien effect.... Only to end up looking like the gimp ala Pulp Fiction! LOL
The routine (minus the costume) was actually pretty cool though! but yeah wont be trying that again.
Worst part is, my dad, a very serious businessman, was in the crowd! Must have been confused as hell!
He probably thought you were confused as hell.
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I think there are a lot of people on here underestimating natural capabilities!
NOW FEEL MY WRATH!!!!
(http://www.ahmedelattar.com/images/cape2.jpg)
(http://www.ahmedelattar.com/images/cape3.jpg)
Big Ach has no shame. Funny stuff.
He was giving the schmoes a preview of the goods. :-X
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He probably thought you were confused as hell.
I did 3 shows that year (and did pretty well except at that one with the fucking costume), I remember him sending out a bunch of my pictures to his friends like a proud father, but the none of the ones of me in that questionable outfit :-D lol
He DEFINITELY thought I was confused!!
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That's not Kai...
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I think there are a lot of people on here underestimating natural capabilities!
NOW FEEL MY WRATH!!!!
(http://www.ahmedelattar.com/images/cape2.jpg)
(http://www.ahmedelattar.com/images/cape3.jpg)
You are a nice dude but that's gay as hell! :-X
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You are a nice dude but that's gay as hell! :-X
Thanks for the compliment about being nice! Its only gay if..... Nah... its fucking gay as hell LOL
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Every person who is serious about bbing, watches his diet, training AND follows online boards like this, has tried at least ONCE an oral
steroid. Period.
Fallacious argument. By definition, everyone who is training without drugs is a natural bodybuilder. Having taken steroids in the past is irrelevant. The effects of steroids are not permanent.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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this was gay too :-\
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this was gay too :-\
He is free to do whatever he wants!!!
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Anyway you are fat and ugly ::)
Big Ach is definitely not a looker, but he does have a good physique. :D :D
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Big Ach is definitely not a looker, but he does have a good physique. :D :D
Whatever fuck you guys!!! ;D
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Ach,
Your attitude couldn't be better. If you can't laugh at yourself then what's the point. Are you doing any shows this year?
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Ach,
Your attitude couldn't be better. If you can't laugh at yourself then what's the point. Are you doing any shows this year?
Yeah...the IHOP open ;D
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Yeah...the IHOP open ;D
LOLLL Speaking of.... there is this breakfast place here called Keke's... they have the BIGGEST chocolate chip pancakes dish EVER.... I'm not bullshitting when I say it takes me 3 days to finish it!!!
But no - I'm not doing any shows until I'm done with this PhD (Which should be another 2 to 3 years if I'm lucky!)
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LOLLL Speaking of.... there is this breakfast place here called Keke's... they have the BIGGEST chocolate chip pancakes dish EVER.... I'm not bullshitting when I say it takes me 3 days to finish it!!!
But no - I'm not doing any shows until I'm done with this PhD (Which should be another 2 to 3 years if I'm lucky!)
oh bro.,.. this is an execuse because you are lazy to diet for a show :P
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oh bro.,.. this is an execuse because you are lazy to diet for a show :P
Yeah ok fine.... LOL Fucking dieting for a show is hard work man! The worst is eating all your meals for the day, and you try to go to sleep but you just can't cause you're sooo damn hungry, and you're just laying in bed thinking about nothing but FOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!!! I'm a miserable fuck right around 6 weeks out!
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Yeah ok fine.... LOL Fucking dieting for a show is hard work man! The worst is eating all your meals for the day, and you try to go to sleep but you just can't cause you're sooo damn hungry, and you're just laying in bed thinking about nothing but FOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!!! I'm a miserable fuck right around 6 weeks out!
for me when i was dieting for a show it was like what you are saying for the first couple of weeks or so but then it was becoming more bearable gradually till it was the normal thing 8).. i mean the hardest part of any hard diet is the first part then when it passes and your system gets used to it everything is ok..
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couldn't be gayer
x1000000000000000
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was on his way to a team nasser meeting.. so had to worm up ;D
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Its only gay if you want it to be ;D
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Here's a lifetime natural with a 29 inch waist @ 5'11" 158 6-7% but with a missing leg lol
Stop posting your shitty pics...you look like you couldn't qualify for the lightweight division of Mr. Ethiopia.
.....your lack of a single muscle sickens me.
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Whatever fuck you guys!!! ;D
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gorgeous stud...all the way beefcake.
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Whatever fuck you guys!!! ;D
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like what Cramer said, "you just need a nose job"
:D
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LOLLL Speaking of.... there is this breakfast place here called Keke's... they have the BIGGEST chocolate chip pancakes dish EVER.... I'm not bullshitting when I say it takes me 3 days to finish it!!!
But no - I'm not doing any shows until I'm done with this PhD (Which should be another 2 to 3 years if I'm lucky!)
I go to Myrtle Beach a couple of times of year.....I swear every 100 yards is a breakfest house.
.....it's heaven ;D
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I dont understand who go pay to se natural bodybuilder show, rather go to the beach and see lifeguard, FREE :)
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=398105.0;attach=434685;image)(http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Wrestling/Bios/bradshaw.jpg)
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Not true. I know a guy who could do some damage at shows and he hasnt touched one steroid in his life. makess me jealous this looks just about as good as me when im juiced to the gills. he is just a hard worker always at the gym he is a definition gymrat. I mean no wife no kids no life. just goes to the gym after work and stays there for a few hrs and on the weekends hes there saturday and sunday. there hasnt been a day when I have been at the gym where he hasnt been there too.Ive talked to him and he knows a little bit about steroids like some of the names but he has never tried them he said he had a friend who tried anadrol and got sick in 2 days. all he does is take that EAS phosphagen he is that old school has never tried a diffrent brand. he tans and does the whole 9 yards. everybody in the gym asks this guy training questions! even I have he helped me with my training before I started juicing. we have worked out together many times. He spits on steroids and drugs. Im the opposite.He can tell when im using and makes me feel like a cheat when I am on a cycle. and I dont think he follows the boards I have not asked.but honestly this guy has legit 18inch arms that are in peak condition and a super thick chest all around great physique. anybody who saw him would swear he was a juicehead but he is not.I know I have mentioned this dude before and im sure your sick of hearing about him but he is honestly the best natural I have ever seen!
I am in full agreement here. I remember using Phosphagen when Muscle Media 2000 was in full swing, and I blew up quick. Phosphagen and Myoplex protein were bar none the best natural supplementation out there. BTW whitewidow knows his stuff!
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I am in full agreement here. I remember using Phosphagen when Muscle Media 2000 was in full swing, and I blew up quick. Phosphagen and Myoplex protein were bar none the best natural supplementation out there. BTW whitewidow knows his stuff!
Wasn't Phosphagen just Creatine?
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Wasn't Phosphagen just Creatine?
Isn't Ferrari just a car?
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Isn't Ferrari just a car?
Aren't you just a terrible gimmick?
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Aren't you just a terrible gimmick?
You weren't saying that when you were trying to be my pal in that other thread. Then I slammed you. And here we are.
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As if touring with Nickleback wasn't terrible enough already... :D
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Bullshit - im going into a show in 2018 - 42 yo natural gonna slay
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So muscular men don't exist. They only exist with drugs?
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they sure exist lol only not on a bodybuild stage,, not amateur and not ifbb pro stage,,
there is no natural bodybuild I keep saying this for generation and you can see how big it made me..
there is no natural in bodybuild and fitness,, they don't even get to a 5th place in the local country club show.. true natural that is.. taking epistane doesn't make you natural,, taking ephedra does not make you natural..
true natural = food and training..
gh15 approved
lion of Judah
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they sure exist lol only not on a bodybuild stage,, not amateur and not ifbb pro stage,,
there is no natural bodybuild I keep saying this for generation and you can see how big it made me..
there is no natural in bodybuild and fitness,, they don't even get to a 5th place in the local country club show.. true natural that is.. taking epistane doesn't make you natural,, taking ephedra does not make you natural..
true natural = food and training..
gh15 approved
lion of Judah
As whitewidow mentioned there are guys that only take Phosphagen and could win state level shows. You are WAY OFF in your assessments.
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they sure exist lol only not on a bodybuild stage,, not amateur and not ifbb pro stage,,
there is no natural bodybuild I keep saying this for generation and you can see how big it made me..
there is no natural in bodybuild and fitness,, they don't even get to a 5th place in the local country club show.. true natural that is.. taking epistane doesn't make you natural,, taking ephedra does not make you natural..
true natural = food and training..
gh15 approved
lion of Judah
Ephedra makes me not natural? Fuck you're stupid
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^it is under my level to even answer ths things.. go look for me in 2005,,
new generation.. man,, generation nothingness truly now is eveey fucking where,, controlling everything,,
what a damn disaster,,
gh15 approved
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Ephedra makes me not natural? Fuck you're stupid
why doesn't it count?
you can't get as lean without stims as you can with em.
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why doesn't it count?
you can't get as lean without stims as you can with em.
really, why is that?
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Organized, structured resistance exercise is not natural...
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I started training 32 years ago at 168 pounds. Never had any intention of competing. I just enjoyed training and what it did to my body. Hard training meant I could eat what I liked too as we all know supplements don't work - Just bullshit to make the companies who produce loads of money.
Without supplements or any steroids or growth enhancement drugs of ANY kind, I have steadily grown to the point where I am now a lean (ish) 230 pounds with a 49 inch chest, 18 inch arms, 27 inch thighs, 34 in waist etc etc .... This is bodybuilding to me.
You CAN build a great physique without steroids or any drugs.
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^absolitly you can being very good physiqe with out hormones.. but! you wont get anywhere in competitive bodybuild.. and you will never i repeat NEVER! be advance bodybuild or fitness levels,,
by advance i mean everyone who step on stage pretty much in more than a little local competition in the local kindergarden.. even there you will maybe find 1-2 naturals and rest are hormonized,, yesyes even in that kindergarden local competition,,
gh15 approved
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I started training 32 years ago at 168 pounds. Never had any intention of competing. I just enjoyed training and what it did to my body. Hard training meant I could eat what I liked too as we all know supplements don't work - Just bullshit to make the companies who produce loads of money.
Without supplements or any steroids or growth enhancement drugs of ANY kind, I have steadily grown to the point where I am now a lean (ish) 230 pounds with a 49 inch chest, 18 inch arms, 27 inch thighs, 34 in waist etc etc .... This is bodybuilding to me.
You CAN build a great physique without steroids or any drugs.
You've discovered you can build yourself to these proportions, it does not follow that it's true for everyone. Why, because we all vary on our genetic ability to hypertrophy.
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I started training 32 years ago at 168 pounds. Never had any intention of competing. I just enjoyed training and what it did to my body. Hard training meant I could eat what I liked too as we all know supplements don't work - Just bullshit to make the companies who produce loads of money.
Without supplements or any steroids or growth enhancement drugs of ANY kind, I have steadily grown to the point where I am now a lean (ish) 230 pounds with a 49 inch chest, 18 inch arms, 27 inch thighs, 34 in waist etc etc .... This is bodybuilding to me.
You CAN build a great physique without steroids or any drugs.
Thank you for saying and posting this. So many believe otherwise.
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i put here back in 2007 i believe my table fo rnatural limits,, im not going to look for it i hve no time right now but you can get it on my site too its in both places,,
you will never find a 5'9 230 8% natural.. never ever not a human being not in your universe,,
doesn't exist.. infact you wont even find 200lb 5'9 at single digit truly natural.. it simply does not! exist,,
i coached and train 1000s in my life,, i competed among the best of the best,, i get payed 1000s for 30 days of following my words like robots.. if im telling you there is no true naturals at the number i say that = there are none! not in your universe
gh15 approved
lion of Judah
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I started training 32 years ago at 168 pounds. Never had any intention of competing. I just enjoyed training and what it did to my body. Hard training meant I could eat what I liked too as we all know supplements don't work - Just bullshit to make the companies who produce loads of money.
Without supplements or any steroids or growth enhancement drugs of ANY kind, I have steadily grown to the point where I am now a lean (ish) 230 pounds with a 49 inch chest, 18 inch arms, 27 inch thighs, 34 in waist etc etc .... This is bodybuilding to me.
You CAN build a great physique without steroids or any drugs.
do you have pics to validate your claims? A lean 230 is huge....unless you are extremely tall.
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do you have pics to validate your claims? A lean 230 is huge....unless you are extremely tall.
"Lean (ish)" probably means at least 20%.
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do you have pics to validate your claims? A lean 230 is huge....unless you are extremely tall.
No pics as that's just not the type of bodybuilder I am - I'm lean against normal but not bodybuilding lean. Muscles all separated with fibres visible on flexing, good arm vascularity but not lean enough to have much elsewhere - abs and serratus visible but not particularly cut. ie all my muscles are clearly visible and separated.
If I could strip current fat to competitive levels now, I'd be 200 pounds cut / 185 ripped at 5ft 11 so not that big. In reality though, I have lost loads of muscle trying to get leaner so now happy to stay muscular at 16 and half stone. Plenty big enough for a normal life. I Eat what I like, walk off any excess (I walk 30 miles a week) and just enjoy natural bodybuilding. Funny as now I am bigger or as big as 99% of the IFBB pros I grew up watching on stage in the '80's and '90's and a whole lot healthier. I win ;D
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To me
Natural always meant the guys who took shit that your body produces naturally
So run as much test, slin, gh, and t3/t4
And still al natural