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WASHINGTON -- Herman Cain's now-famous "9-9-9" tax plan was crafted by a rank-and-file investment adviser working at a Wells Fargo branch in an affluent rural Ohio town with a population of about 6,000 people.
Cain name-checked Richard Lowrie during Tuesday night's Republican debate on economic policy, and his campaign confirmed to HuffPost that Richard Lowrie Jr., a Wells Fargo employee in Pepper Pike, Ohio, outside of Cleveland, was the official adviser to his campaign who hammered out the "9-9-9" plan. The plan calls for creating a new 9 percent federal sales tax on everything consumers buy, while cutting the corporate tax rate to 9 percent and imposing a flat 9 percent income tax on all wages.
Cain said on "Meet the Press" that his program is "revenue-neutral," meaning it will raise exactly the same amount of tax money as the current tax system. By cutting corporate taxes and taxes for the wealthy,the program puts a heavy new tax burden on the poor and the middle class.
It is unusual for a presidential campaign to employ a local investment adviser as an economic policy expert. Major electoral campaigns typically seek out high-profile economists with federal policymaking experience or academic gravitas.
According to Lowrie's LinkedIn profile, his education tops out with a Bachelor of Science in accountancy from Case Western University. He has no formal training in economics, and there is no indication that he has ever worked on public policy. According to that same profile, Lowrie's political experience includes working on the board of advisers for Americans For Prosperity, a hardline conservative outfit founded by the Koch Brothers, until 2008. In 2011, the group ran into trouble for posting fake eviction notices on the doors of Detroit families. Lowrie's LinkedIn profile also says he works on the volunteer advisory panel for the American Conservative Union.
Lowrie was not immediately available for comment.
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I see Benny the coward is back.
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Benny? Benny? Woah Benny....where did you go? LOL
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Benny? Benny? Woah Benny....where did you go? LOL
He went to Huffington Post, to dredge up more left-winged garbage like this article he posted.
Of course, he didn't bother to cite the source, as he honestly thinks people here are stupid enough to think he came up with this mess on his own.
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Fuck off you weak pussy. Why don't you go get your neck snapped for the millionth time on the political board you black turd.
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Cain's 9-9-9 plan is better than anyone else's including Obama's failed experiment. Next?
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Benny? Benny? Woah Benny....where did you go? LOL
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Never left, MexiMelt.
Are you still claiming Mexican citizenship? When are you sneaking back across the border to Guadalajara?
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Herman Cain is moving up in the polls almost daily
Say what you want about the man
But he is a candidate that we republicans can be proud of
He is a true businessman
and he will get us out of debt and get us heading in the right direction
Unlike that "city organizer" from Chicago or Kansas or Hawaii.....no one really knows where that arrogant sob obama is from????
obama has tried to turn this country into a socialistic society......we need him removed from office
you libs are petrified of Cain!!!! He just might beat your "city organizer".
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He went to Huffington Post, to dredge up more left-winged garbage like this article he posted.
Of course, he didn't bother to cite the source, as he honestly thinks people here are stupid enough to think he came up with this mess on his own.
Mantan McMoron is in the house! Wassup, Tobey! ;D
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How would I come up with this information "on my own", and who would be dumb enough to believe I did? ::)
I don't have time to hire a private investigator to research each candidates bullshit, so I look up these things on news sites like anyone else.
Where the article was found is irrelevant and a typical Mantan McMoron diversionary tactic. Citing "sources"...get the fuck outta here. I'm not writing a book or a college thesis. I'm posting on a internet message board, idiot. ::)
It is the FACTS CONTAINED THEREIN that matter, and of course are not even defended by the morons posting in this thread. It's not a left-wing or right-wing article, simply the truth. ;) This investment advisor has fewer credentials to be creating national tax policy than I do (much less, actually) and is therefore an absolute joke.
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This investment advisor has fewer credentials to be creating national tax policy than I do (much less, actually) and is therefore an absolute joke.
Political credential discussion is a point you should steer clear from.
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1. I dont like that the article infers that good ideas cant come from regular people.
2. Cain is a mathmatician.....A fucking mathmatician.
3. Cain dispelled any rumors that the plan would put burden on middle and poor class when he broke his plan down...watch him vs. Lawrence "scumbag" odonnell.
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Herman Cain is moving up in the polls almost daily
Say what you want about the man
But he is a candidate that we republicans can be proud of
He is a true businessman
and he will get us out of debt and get us heading in the right direction
Unlike that "city organizer" from Chicago or Kansas or Hawaii.....no one really knows where that arrogant sob obama is from????
obama has tried to turn this country into a socialistic society......we need him removed from office
you libs are petrified of Cain!!!! He just might beat your "city organizer".
Cain's Black ass isn't going anywhere in the GOP and you know it. ::) Stop peddling horseshit. This time next year the guy will be hosting a radio show and have a show on FOX News where he can tell angry whites what they want to here in Black-face.
Yes, the dems are "terrified" of Cain. lol Before we were "terrified" of Trump, "terrified" of Palin, "terrified" of Bachmann, etc. ::)
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Cain's 9-9-9 plan is better than anyone else's including Obama's failed experiment. Next?
No it isn't. What tax "experiment" has Obama had that has failed? Please explain.
Cain's 9-9-9 plan does not make sense fiscally, as has been pointed out by numerous studies. It is the flat tax regurgitated with a catchy name. It would put undue hardship on the poor and middle class (ie., virtually EVERYONE on this board), and be a field day for the wealthy.
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Herman Cain, "the Federal reserve is your friend."
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Fuck off you weak pussy.
What is "weak" is this pathetic gimmick of yours. Nothing about me is weak, son. ;)
Why don't you go get your neck snapped for the millionth time on the political board you black turd.
I posted on the political board for YEARS. Where were you, and when was my "neck snapped" there? ???
Tut-tut...your use of the above racial epithet would not be pleasing to Herman Cain. ;) If you are posting in this thread I assume you support him, no?
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Mantan McMoron is in the house! Wassup, Tobey! ;D
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How would I come up with this information "on my own", and who would be dumb enough to believe I did? ::)
I don't have time to hire a private investigator to research each candidates bullshit, so I look up these things on news sites like anyone else.
Where the article was found is irrelevant and a typical Mantan McMoron diversionary tactic. Citing "sources"...get the fuck outta here. I'm not writing a book or a college thesis. I'm posting on a internet message board, idiot. ::)
It is the FACTS CONTAINED THEREIN that matter, and of course are not even defended by the morons posting in this thread. It's not a left-wing or right-wing article, simply the truth. ;) This investment advisor has fewer credentials to be creating national tax policy than I do (much less, actually) and is therefore an absolute joke.
Try posting a link or simply giving the ORIGINAL author's name (Zach Carter), genius.
I read this article about 10 minutes before you posted it here. That's why I knew the source from where you lifted it.
As for being an absolute joke, that honor falls on Obama's economic team. They had all the so-called credentials. Yet, they ran like scalded dogs back to their schools, after their policies CRASHED AND BURNED.
Romer....GONE!!
Orczag....GONE!!!
Goolsbee....GONE!!!
Summers....GONE!!!
They flew the coop, with the lone exception of "Turbo Tax Timmy", the goofball who said we weren't in any danger of being upgraded.
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Hey Benny, I thought Libs weren't supposed to be racist? BTW, I'm far from Mexican. See Benny, its blacks like you, Farakkan, Sharpton, Jackson, Wright, etc who are the real racists of this couuntry. You're the typical angry lazy black who wants shit handed to him because he feels it's "owed" to him. Where at you at now Benny?
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1. I dont like that the article infers that good ideas cant come from regular people.
2. Cain is a mathmatician.....A fucking mathmatician.
3. Cain dispelled any rumors that the plan would put burden on middle and poor class when he broke his plan down...watch him vs. Lawrence "scumbag" odonnell.
1. It is a BAD idea, and if you are running for president of the United States, you need strong and seasoned economists to back your plan. Cain has none.
2. Who gives a shit? One of my best friends has a Ph.D in Math. He is not qualified to be president. The fact that Cain is a "mathematician" (which you repeatedly spelled wrong, "Wiggs") makes it all the more embarrassing that his numbers don't add up to a sensible plan.
3. I don't need to watch any single interview to know that 9-9-9 puts an undue burden on the poor and middle class. It is obvious just looking at the numbers. Cain couldn't even defend the numbers himself when confronted with the Bloomberg study last night.
No surprise one of getbig's resident House Negro's is in full throated support of Herman Cain! Oh, brother. ::)
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1. I dont like that the article infers that good ideas cant come from regular people.
2. Cain is a mathmatician.....A fucking mathmatician.
3. Cain dispelled any rumors that the plan would put burden on middle and poor class when he broke his plan down...watch him vs. Lawrence "scumbag" odonnell.
Cain carved him up like a Thanksgiving turkey.
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1. It is a BAD idea, and if you are running for president of the United States, you need strong and seasoned economists to back your plan. Cain has none.
2. Who gives a shit? One of my best friends has a Ph.D in Math. He is not qualified to be president. The fact that Cain is a "mathematician" (which you repeatedly spelled wrong, "Wiggs") makes it all the more embarrassing that his numbers don't add up to a sensible plan.
3. I don't need to watch any single interview to know that 9-9-9 puts an undue burden on the poor and middle class. It is obvious just looking at the numbers. Cain couldn't even defend the numbers himself when confronted with the Bloomberg study last night.
No surprise one of getbig's resident House Negro's is in full throated support of Herman Cain! Oh, brother. ::)
Try explaining why all of Obama's "strong and seasoned" economists BAILED on him, before his first terms was up. More importanly, why Obama's brilliant plans have had him at 9% unemployment (or highter) for 29 of the 33 months he's been in office.
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1. It is a BAD idea, and if you are running for president of the United States, you need strong and seasoned economists to back your plan. Cain has none.
2. Who gives a shit? One of my best friends has a Ph.D in Math. He is not qualified to be president. The fact that Cain is a "mathematician" (which you repeatedly spelled wrong, "Wiggs") makes it all the more embarrassing that his numbers don't add up to a sensible plan.
3. I don't need to watch any single interview to know that 9-9-9 puts an undue burden on the poor and middle class. It is obvious just looking at the numbers. Cain couldn't even defend the numbers himself when confronted with the Bloomberg study last night.
No surprise one of getbig's resident House Negro's is in full throated support of Herman Cain! Oh, brother. ::)
I tried to keep it cordial, but you go and get personal...now you went n i g - nog on me...why am i not surprised...dont be surprised when when i come with nukes from left field Andre.
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Let me break down why his flat tax is great. I'm in the 35% tax bracket. Even if you are in the 25% bracket your federal income tax would only be 9%.
The goods you purchase would be taxed at 9%. Even if you completely were even with consuming exactly what you made income it would still come out to 18% tax. Assuming with your income you are paying rent or a mortgage you would see an incredible saving and more money in your pocket. Business would be taxed at 9%.
Tax revenue would go up. Everyone is paying the same and it would be fair. No write offs. The amount in your pocket would make you smile when you got your pay check.
Cain has a tough sell with this plan. He should have said a flat 18% for federal income tax for everyone without a consumer tax. Look at your pay check for the few who have one on this site. Are you happy with what you take home? Maybe we should give the government a little more because they are so good at spending it.
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I tried to keep it cordial, but you go and get personal...now you went n i g - nog on me...why am i not surprised...dont be surprised when when i come with nukes from left field Andre.
BRING IT, you weak, soft, chicken & buscuit-eating Tom. ;)
And...in my best english, my name ain't "Andre," dipshit.
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Raising Cain?!?
In all of the brouhaha about Cain’s rhetoric as he’s rising in the GOP polls, appealing directly to the Tea Party base that is steeped in white resentment and hatred of President Obama, Cain’s 9-9-9 tax plan tends to get overlooked. It’s a 9% tax on income, a 9% tax on business profits and a 9% national sales tax. Cain would entirely eliminate capital gains taxes – making even worse one of the most unfair income tax loopholes on the books.
On it’s face, Cain’s 9-9-9 scheme is obviously a tax break for the rich. Worse, it’s a tax increase for the folks with the lowest incomes. And as formulated it’s even a bad deal for many businesses and for job creation.
Cain’s plan taxes gross sales, less dividends and cost of purchases, but doesn’t include a deduction for wages. This is truly terrible for small businesses, many of which “profit” primarily by paying decent wages to worker-owners as well as their employees, who are often family members in the smaller enterprises.
Bruce Bartlett, writing at NYT’s Economix (check out his detailed analysis) summarizes the plan’s impact:
With no tax on capital gains, the rich would pay almost nothing, while elimination of all deductions and credits, as well as imposition of a national sales tax, must necessarily raise taxes on everyone else…
At a minimum, the Cain plan is a distributional monstrosity. The poor would pay more while the rich would have their taxes cut, with no guarantee that economic growth will increase and good reason to believe that the budget deficit will increase.
Even allowing for the poorly thought through promises routinely made on the campaign trail, Mr. Cain’s tax plan stands out as exceptionally ill conceived.
I honestly have no idea if Cain is a serious candidate or an egomaniacal crackpot seeking attention. Or both. In any case he definitely is some sort of crackpot. There’s something more than a bit disturbing about watching a black man gaining popularity – and profiting through his book sales and campaign fundraising – by appealing to the most ingrained resentments of the white Right, echoing their attacks on black people, the unemployed and the poor.
Cain appears on the election landscape as a shill for the worst of his audiences’ assumptions – attempting to minimize the legacy and impact of racism on the black community and demeaning black folks’ ability to act in their self-interest making pragmatic political choices as voters. He’s blasting anyone who resists the Tea Party/GOP’s barely-covert agenda to protect the rich who benefit from lower taxes and rising income inequality, and to further empower corporations.
Cain’s 9-9-9 tax plan – shifting the tax burden from the rich to the working poor and lower-middle class – fully reflects his broader role on the GOP stage. “Exceptionally ill-conceived,” as is Cain’s entire candidacy.
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BRING IT, you weak, soft, chicken & buscuit-eating Tom. ;)
And...in my best english, my name ain't "Andre," dipshit.
You're a sheep Andre...a lost angry, little sheep.
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So what happens to the poor who under the current plan pay no tax?
The poor pay their "fair share".
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You're sheep Andre...a lost angry, little sheep.
lol
So "lost" that I have a job with a happy marriage and a six-figure salary, while you are proud of being an obese, pot-smoking, unemployed, whore-monger. :P
Yes, a true credit to your race you are, "Wiggs." But at least you are not "angry" like me, right? ::)
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Hey Benny, I thought Libs weren't supposed to be racist? BTW, I'm far from Mexican. See Benny, its blacks like you, Farakkan, Sharpton, Jackson, Wright, etc who are the real racists of this couuntry. You're the typical angry lazy black who wants shit handed to him because he feels it's "owed" to him. Where at you at now Benny?
Looking for a response from Benny on this. You're by FAR the biggest racist on here.
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lol
So "lost" that I have a job with a happy marriage and a six-figure salary, while you are proud of being an obese, pot-smoking, unemployed, whore-monger. :P
Yes, a true credit to your race you are, "Wiggs." But at least you are not "angry" like me, right? ::)
right...all that and you're still a stupid c o o n....Andre
Amazing isnt it...Looks ok on the outside but really nothing more than a sheep.
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Preach on my brotha. Preach.....show us da way.
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Cain is one smart man.. he will bolw away obama if he gets the nomination
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No it isn't. What tax "experiment" has Obama had that has failed? Please explain.
Cain's 9-9-9 plan does not make sense fiscally, as has been pointed out by numerous studies. It is the flat tax regurgitated with a catchy name. It would put undue hardship on the poor and middle class (ie., virtually EVERYONE on this board), and be a field day for the wealthy.
The Obama Administration has been a complete failure. Just today we are seeing the collapse of Obamacare. He can't even screw people over correctly. That's pretty bad.
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New poll. Cain 43% Obama 41% as of today.
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benny go post this shit on the politics board!!! we do not come here to see this shit. ANd herman cain is great smart man u suck
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Cain-iac, Cain-iac on the floor !!!
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You like Cain? He's black, remember?
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You like Cain? He's black, remember?
I like Cain and would crawl over burning coals to vote for him over the Communist-in-Chief MaoBama - piss be upon him.
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and he will get us out of debt and get us heading in the right direction
Oh shut up you fucking moron. He won't do shit, just like Obama won't do shit, like Ron Paul won't do shit, like Romney won't do shit, like anyone would do shit. Jesus, I watch these idiotic, moronic candidates spouting the same old tired shit every 4 years 'We're taking the White House back!', 'We're taking the country back!', 'BLABLABLABLABLABLABLABLA BVBLAAAAAAAA', and every 4 years the same idiotic screaming halfwits at the rallies and internet forums believe this tripe. How's that been working out for you??
You're not getting out of debt, EVER. The world isn't getting out of debt, EVER. There's going to have to be a major correction somewhere. I don't know what it is or what it's going to be or how it's going to happen, but a thick fucking lying politician who would do and say ANYTHING to get elected, isn't going to solve nothing.
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Oh shut up you fucking moron. He won't do shit, just like Obama won't do shit, like Ron Paul won't do shit, like Romney won't do shit, like anyone would do shit. Jesus, I watch these idiotic, moronic candidates spouting the same old tired shit every 4 years 'We're taking the White House back!', 'We're taking the country back!', 'BLABLABLABLABLABLABLABLA BVBLAAAAAAAA', and every 4 years the same idiotic screaming halfwits at the rallies and internet forums believe this tripe. How's that been working out for you??
You're not getting out of debt, EVER. The world isn't getting out of debt, EVER. There's going to have to be a major correction somewhere. I don't know what it is or what it's going to be or how it's going to happen, but a thick fucking lying politician who would do and say ANYTHING to get elected, isn't going to solve nothing.
Common sheep that actually think politicians actually care about them. That they give a fuck about anyone but themselves and their rich friends that gave them money to run for office. Every president for the last 60 years is nothing more than a fucking goon in it for themselves.
Didn't Bush Sr say NO MORE TAXES, then he raised taxes. lol. Fuck all of these pigs.
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New poll. Cain 43% Obama 41% as of today.
So you'll pick anyone as long as he's a Republican? What if Palin was leading the polls? Would you pick that fucking ninny-head that couldn't point 10 countries on a map and would more than likely be snorting coke of Putin's dick (as someone here once put it) and be laughed at at UN conventions for knowing, well, fuck all? Politicians are all salesmen but in this case surrounded by 127 000 advisers and lobbyist with their own agendas. Do you actually think it REALLY matters which figurehead occupies the White House? Which party sits in the White House?
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So you'll pick anyone as long as he's a Republican? What if Palin was leading the polls? Would you pick that fucking ninny-head that couldn't point 10 countries on a map and would more than likely be snorting coke of Putin's dick (as someone here once put it) and be laughed at at UN conventions for knowing, well, fuck all? Politicians are all salesmen but in this case surrounded by 127 000 advisers and lobbyist with their own agendas. Do you actually think it REALLY matters which figurehead occupies the White House? Which party sits in the White House?
I want to see Palin naked.
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So you'll pick anyone as long as he's a Republican? What if Palin was leading the polls? Would you pick that fucking ninny-head that couldn't point 10 countries on a map and would more than likely be snorting coke of Putin's dick (as someone here once put it) and be laughed at at UN conventions for knowing, well, fuck all? Politicians are all salesmen but in this case surrounded by 127 000 advisers and lobbyist with their own agendas. Do you actually think it REALLY matters which figurehead occupies the White House? Which party sits in the White House?
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The people who always say crap like this are always the fools embarassed over their last vote i.e. Obama voters now too ashamed of themselves to admit they voted for this shit show.
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does Benny really think hes making people here support him and Obama? Sorry Benny you're making everyone hate you/Obama even more
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The people who always say crap like this are always the fools embarassed over their last vote i.e. Obama voters now too ashamed of themselves to admit they voted for this shit show.
I'll be too embarrassed to say that I actually voted, which thankfully I've never done in my 31 years alive. Make no mistake, I would vote ... if there was anyone to vote for. Unfortunately a certain demographic on this planet, and I include myself in that, want a bit more than tired slogans, bible waving and psychotic candidates (see Perry, Bachman off the top of my head) promising just about ANYTHING in order to get elected. Big donors and big business rule. Parasitic lobbyists rule. The president is a figurehead, a mannequin you polish up and roll out for the occasion when required. They know fuck all, they decided fuck all, they can't change fuck all. They don't even write their own fucking speeches or take sole decisions. Now tell me, what does it matter who sits in the White House? Are you that dumb that you actually believe that Democrats would make a difference over Republicans? Or vice versa?
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I'll be too embarrassed to say that I actually voted, which thankfully I've never done in my 31 years alive. Make no mistake, I would vote ... if there was anyone to vote for. Unfortunately a certain demographic on this planet, and I include myself in that, want a bit more than tired slogans, bible waving and psychotic candidates (see Perry, Bachman off the top of my head) promising just about ANYTHING in order to get elected. Big donors and big business rule. Parasitic lobbyists rule. The president is a figurehead, a mannequin you polish up and roll out for the occasion when required. They know fuck all, they decided fuck all, they can't change fuck all. They don't even write their own fucking speeches or take sole decisions. Now tell me, what does it matter who sits in the White House? Are you that dumb that you actually believe that Democrats would make a difference over Republicans? Or vice versa?
So why even discuss politicis if you are too pure, holy, un-tainted, and good for it?
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So why even discuss politicis if you are too pure, holy, un-tainted, and good for it?
I don't discuss politics at all. Not the intricacies at least since you can stick a blue or red label on it, you're still going to get the shit end of the stick.
Tell me something, you're almost psychotic single mindedness fascinate me. What has the democrats done for you lately? Forget endless links and technicalities. How did YOUR life get better under Obama and how has the country been better off the last 3 years under him?
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I don't discuss politics at all. Not the intricacies at least since you can stick a blue or red label on it, you're still going to get the shit end of the stick.
Tell me something, you're almost psychotic single mindedness fascinate me. What has the democrats done for you lately? Forget endless links and technicalities. How did YOUR life get better under Obama and how has the country been better off the last 3 years under him?
Obama has caused food, energy, health care, commodity inflation; created massive uncertainty to business, embarassed this nation, undermined the health care system, weakend our enery supplies, weaken our produictiove capacity, pissed away trillions on scams, etc.
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Obama has caused food, energy, health care, commodity inflation; created massive uncertainty to business, embarassed this nation, undermined the health care system, weakend our enery supplies, weaken our produictiove capacity, pissed away trillions on scams, etc.
Ok, and if it was the Republicans, what would they have done differently?
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I don't care who invented 9-9-9.. if it works
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Ok, and if it was the Republicans, what would they have done differently?
1. no obamaCare
2. no drilling bans
3. no stim bills to public sector unions
4. No cap n trade
5. No kagan or sotomayor
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I don't care who invented 9-9-9.. if it works
it doesn't, and it won't
tax revenue as a whole would drop like a rock and the deficit would soar
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it doesn't, and it won't
tax revenue as a whole would drop like a rock and the deficit would soar
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We have a massive spending problem, not a tax revenue problem.
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We have a massive spending problem, not a tax revenue problem.
we will have a revenue problem with this new plan on top of your supposed "spending" problem
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Benny= Using his high school portrait as his avatar