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Wack Job Herman Cain's 999 Tax Man
« on: October 11, 2011, 10:41:39 PM »
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WASHINGTON -- Herman Cain's now-famous "9-9-9" tax plan was crafted by a rank-and-file investment adviser working at a Wells Fargo branch in an affluent rural Ohio town with a population of about 6,000 people.

Cain name-checked Richard Lowrie during Tuesday night's Republican debate on economic policy, and his campaign confirmed to HuffPost that Richard Lowrie Jr., a Wells Fargo employee in Pepper Pike, Ohio, outside of Cleveland, was the official adviser to his campaign who hammered out the "9-9-9" plan. The plan calls for creating a new 9 percent federal sales tax on everything consumers buy, while cutting the corporate tax rate to 9 percent and imposing a flat 9 percent income tax on all wages.

Cain said on "Meet the Press" that his program is "revenue-neutral," meaning it will raise exactly the same amount of tax money as the current tax system. By cutting corporate taxes and taxes for the wealthy,the program puts a heavy new tax burden on the poor and the middle class.

It is unusual for a presidential campaign to employ a local investment adviser as an economic policy expert. Major electoral campaigns typically seek out high-profile economists with federal policymaking experience or academic gravitas.

According to Lowrie's LinkedIn profile, his education tops out with a Bachelor of Science in accountancy from Case Western University. He has no formal training in economics, and there is no indication that he has ever worked on public policy.
According to that same profile, Lowrie's political experience includes working on the board of advisers for Americans For Prosperity, a hardline conservative outfit founded by the Koch Brothers, until 2008. In 2011, the group ran into trouble for posting fake eviction notices on the doors of Detroit families. Lowrie's LinkedIn profile also says he works on the volunteer advisory panel for the American Conservative Union.

Lowrie was not immediately available for comment.
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Re: Wack Job Herman Cain's 999 Tax Man
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2011, 10:45:26 PM »
I see Benny the coward is back.

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Re: Wack Job Herman Cain's 999 Tax Man
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2011, 10:54:37 PM »
Benny? Benny? Woah Benny....where did you go? LOL

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Re: Wack Job Herman Cain's 999 Tax Man
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2011, 06:34:08 AM »
Benny? Benny? Woah Benny....where did you go? LOL

He went to Huffington Post, to dredge up more left-winged garbage like this article he posted.

Of course, he didn't bother to cite the source, as he honestly thinks people here are stupid enough to think he came up with this mess on his own.


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Re: Wack Job Herman Cain's 999 Tax Man
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2011, 06:44:27 AM »
Fuck off you weak pussy. Why don't you go get your neck snapped for the millionth time on the political board you black turd.

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Re: Wack Job Herman Cain's 999 Tax Man
« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2011, 07:43:22 AM »
Cain's 9-9-9 plan is better than anyone else's including Obama's failed experiment. Next?

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Re: Wack Job Herman Cain's 999 Tax Man
« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2011, 07:50:01 AM »
Benny? Benny? Woah Benny....where did you go? LOL
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Never left, MexiMelt.
Are you still claiming Mexican citizenship? When are you sneaking back across the border to Guadalajara?
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Re: Wack Job Herman Cain's 999 Tax Man
« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2011, 07:58:41 AM »
Herman Cain is moving up in the polls almost daily


Say what you want about the man


But he is a candidate that we republicans can be proud of


He is a true businessman

and he will get us out of debt and get us heading in the right direction


Unlike that "city organizer" from Chicago or Kansas or Hawaii.....no one really knows where that arrogant sob obama is from????

obama has tried to turn this country into a socialistic society......we need him removed from office

you libs are petrified of Cain!!!! He just might beat your "city organizer".

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Re: Wack Job Herman Cain's 999 Tax Man
« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2011, 08:00:05 AM »
He went to Huffington Post, to dredge up more left-winged garbage like this article he posted.

Of course, he didn't bother to cite the source, as he honestly thinks people here are stupid enough to think he came up with this mess on his own.


Mantan McMoron is in the house! Wassup, Tobey!  ;D


How would I come up with this information "on my own", and who would be dumb enough to believe I did?  ::)
I don't have time to hire a private investigator to research each candidates bullshit, so I look up these things on news sites like anyone else.

Where the article was found is irrelevant and a typical Mantan McMoron diversionary tactic. Citing "sources"...get the fuck outta here. I'm not writing a book or a college thesis. I'm posting on a internet message board, idiot.  ::)

It is the FACTS CONTAINED THEREIN that matter, and of course are not even defended by the morons posting in this thread. It's not a left-wing or right-wing article, simply the truth.  ;) This investment advisor has fewer credentials to be creating national tax policy than I do (much less, actually) and is therefore an absolute joke.
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Re: Wack Job Herman Cain's 999 Tax Man
« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2011, 08:01:45 AM »
This investment advisor has fewer credentials to be creating national tax policy than I do (much less, actually) and is therefore an absolute joke.

Political credential discussion is a point you should steer clear from.
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Re: Wack Job Herman Cain's 999 Tax Man
« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2011, 08:03:30 AM »
1. I dont like that the article infers that good ideas cant come from regular people.
2.  Cain is a mathmatician.....A fucking mathmatician.
3. Cain dispelled any rumors that the plan would put burden on middle and poor class when he broke his plan down...watch him vs. Lawrence "scumbag" odonnell.
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« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2011, 08:03:57 AM »
Herman Cain is moving up in the polls almost daily


Say what you want about the man


But he is a candidate that we republicans can be proud of


He is a true businessman

and he will get us out of debt and get us heading in the right direction


Unlike that "city organizer" from Chicago or Kansas or Hawaii.....no one really knows where that arrogant sob obama is from????

obama has tried to turn this country into a socialistic society......we need him removed from office

you libs are petrified of Cain!!!! He just might beat your "city organizer".

Cain's Black ass isn't going anywhere in the GOP and you know it.  ::) Stop peddling horseshit. This time next year the guy will be hosting a radio show and have a show on FOX News where he can tell angry whites what they want to here in Black-face.

Yes, the dems are "terrified" of Cain. lol Before we were "terrified" of Trump, "terrified" of Palin, "terrified" of Bachmann, etc.  ::)
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Re: Wack Job Herman Cain's 999 Tax Man
« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2011, 08:06:53 AM »
Cain's 9-9-9 plan is better than anyone else's including Obama's failed experiment. Next?
No it isn't. What tax "experiment" has Obama had that has failed? Please explain.

Cain's 9-9-9 plan does not make sense fiscally, as has been pointed out by numerous studies. It is the flat tax regurgitated with a catchy name. It would put undue hardship on the poor and middle class (ie., virtually EVERYONE on this board), and be a field day for the wealthy.
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Re: Wack Job Herman Cain's 999 Tax Man
« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2011, 08:09:39 AM »
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Herman Cain, "the Federal reserve is your friend."

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Re: Wack Job Herman Cain's 999 Tax Man
« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2011, 08:10:35 AM »
Fuck off you weak pussy.

What is "weak" is this pathetic gimmick of yours. Nothing about me is weak, son.  ;)

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Why don't you go get your neck snapped for the millionth time on the political board you black turd.
I posted on the political board for YEARS. Where were you, and when was my "neck snapped" there?  ???

Tut-tut...your use of the above racial epithet would not be pleasing to Herman Cain.  ;) If you are posting in this thread I assume you support him, no?
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Re: Wack Job Herman Cain's 999 Tax Man
« Reply #15 on: October 12, 2011, 08:11:32 AM »
Mantan McMoron is in the house! Wassup, Tobey!  ;D


How would I come up with this information "on my own", and who would be dumb enough to believe I did?  ::)
I don't have time to hire a private investigator to research each candidates bullshit, so I look up these things on news sites like anyone else.

Where the article was found is irrelevant and a typical Mantan McMoron diversionary tactic. Citing "sources"...get the fuck outta here. I'm not writing a book or a college thesis. I'm posting on a internet message board, idiot.  ::)

It is the FACTS CONTAINED THEREIN that matter, and of course are not even defended by the morons posting in this thread. It's not a left-wing or right-wing article, simply the truth.  ;) This investment advisor has fewer credentials to be creating national tax policy than I do (much less, actually) and is therefore an absolute joke.

Try posting a link or simply giving the ORIGINAL author's name (Zach Carter), genius.

I read this article about 10 minutes before you posted it here. That's why I knew the source from where you lifted it.

As for being an absolute joke, that honor falls on Obama's economic team. They had all the so-called credentials. Yet, they ran like scalded dogs back to their schools, after their policies CRASHED AND BURNED.

Romer....GONE!!

Orczag....GONE!!!

Goolsbee....GONE!!!

Summers....GONE!!!

They flew the coop, with the lone exception of "Turbo Tax Timmy", the goofball who said we weren't in any danger of being upgraded.

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Re: Wack Job Herman Cain's 999 Tax Man
« Reply #16 on: October 12, 2011, 08:12:30 AM »
Hey Benny, I thought Libs weren't supposed to be racist? BTW, I'm far from Mexican. See Benny, its blacks like you, Farakkan, Sharpton, Jackson, Wright, etc who are the real racists of this couuntry. You're the typical angry lazy black who wants shit handed to him because he feels it's "owed" to him. Where at you at now Benny?

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Re: Wack Job Herman Cain's 999 Tax Man
« Reply #17 on: October 12, 2011, 08:17:58 AM »
1. I dont like that the article infers that good ideas cant come from regular people.
2.  Cain is a mathmatician.....A fucking mathmatician.
3. Cain dispelled any rumors that the plan would put burden on middle and poor class when he broke his plan down...watch him vs. Lawrence "scumbag" odonnell.
1. It is a BAD idea, and if you are running for president of the United States, you need strong and seasoned economists to back your plan. Cain has none.

2. Who gives a shit? One of my best friends has a Ph.D in Math. He is not qualified to be president. The fact that Cain is a "mathematician" (which you repeatedly spelled wrong, "Wiggs") makes it all the more embarrassing that his numbers don't add up to a sensible plan.

3. I don't need to watch any single interview to know that 9-9-9 puts an undue burden on the poor and middle class. It is obvious just looking at the numbers. Cain couldn't even defend the numbers himself when confronted with the Bloomberg study last night.

No surprise one of getbig's resident House Negro's is in full throated support of Herman Cain! Oh, brother.  ::)
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Re: Wack Job Herman Cain's 999 Tax Man
« Reply #18 on: October 12, 2011, 08:22:34 AM »
1. I dont like that the article infers that good ideas cant come from regular people.
2.  Cain is a mathmatician.....A fucking mathmatician.
3. Cain dispelled any rumors that the plan would put burden on middle and poor class when he broke his plan down...watch him vs. Lawrence "scumbag" odonnell.

Cain carved him up like a Thanksgiving turkey.

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Re: Wack Job Herman Cain's 999 Tax Man
« Reply #19 on: October 12, 2011, 08:24:19 AM »
1. It is a BAD idea, and if you are running for president of the United States, you need strong and seasoned economists to back your plan. Cain has none.

2. Who gives a shit? One of my best friends has a Ph.D in Math. He is not qualified to be president. The fact that Cain is a "mathematician" (which you repeatedly spelled wrong, "Wiggs") makes it all the more embarrassing that his numbers don't add up to a sensible plan.

3. I don't need to watch any single interview to know that 9-9-9 puts an undue burden on the poor and middle class. It is obvious just looking at the numbers. Cain couldn't even defend the numbers himself when confronted with the Bloomberg study last night.

No surprise one of getbig's resident House Negro's is in full throated support of Herman Cain! Oh, brother.  ::)

Try explaining why all of Obama's "strong and seasoned" economists BAILED on him, before his first terms was up. More importanly, why Obama's brilliant plans have had him at 9% unemployment (or highter) for 29 of the 33 months he's been in office.

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Re: Wack Job Herman Cain's 999 Tax Man
« Reply #20 on: October 12, 2011, 08:26:04 AM »
1. It is a BAD idea, and if you are running for president of the United States, you need strong and seasoned economists to back your plan. Cain has none.

2. Who gives a shit? One of my best friends has a Ph.D in Math. He is not qualified to be president. The fact that Cain is a "mathematician" (which you repeatedly spelled wrong, "Wiggs") makes it all the more embarrassing that his numbers don't add up to a sensible plan.

3. I don't need to watch any single interview to know that 9-9-9 puts an undue burden on the poor and middle class. It is obvious just looking at the numbers. Cain couldn't even defend the numbers himself when confronted with the Bloomberg study last night.

No surprise one of getbig's resident House Negro's is in full throated support of Herman Cain! Oh, brother.  ::)

I tried to keep it cordial, but you go and get personal...now you went n i g - nog on me...why am i not surprised...dont be surprised when when i come with nukes from left field Andre.
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Re: Wack Job Herman Cain's 999 Tax Man
« Reply #21 on: October 12, 2011, 08:28:47 AM »
Let me break down why his flat tax is great.  I'm in the 35% tax bracket.  Even if you are in the 25% bracket your federal income tax would only be 9%.  

The goods you purchase would be taxed at 9%.  Even if you completely were even with consuming exactly what you made income it would still come out to 18% tax.  Assuming with your income you are paying rent or a mortgage you would  see an incredible saving and more money in your pocket.  Business would be taxed at 9%.  

Tax revenue would go up.  Everyone is paying the same and it would be fair.  No write offs.  The amount in your pocket would make you smile when you got your pay check.

Cain has a tough sell with this plan.  He should have said a flat 18% for federal income tax for everyone without a consumer tax.  Look at your pay check for the few who have one on this site.  Are you happy with what you take home?  Maybe we should give the government a little more because they are so good at spending it.

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Re: Wack Job Herman Cain's 999 Tax Man
« Reply #22 on: October 12, 2011, 08:41:08 AM »
I tried to keep it cordial, but you go and get personal...now you went n i g - nog on me...why am i not surprised...dont be surprised when when i come with nukes from left field Andre.
BRING IT, you weak, soft, chicken & buscuit-eating Tom.  ;)

And...in my best english, my name ain't "Andre," dipshit.
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Re: Wack Job Herman Cain's 999 Tax Man
« Reply #23 on: October 12, 2011, 08:45:03 AM »
Raising Cain?!?

In all of the brouhaha about Cain’s rhetoric as he’s rising in the GOP polls, appealing directly to the Tea Party base that is steeped in white resentment and hatred of President Obama, Cain’s 9-9-9 tax plan tends to get overlooked. It’s a 9% tax on income, a 9% tax on business profits and a 9% national sales tax.  Cain would entirely eliminate capital gains taxes – making even worse one of the most unfair income tax loopholes on the books.

On it’s face, Cain’s 9-9-9 scheme is obviously a tax break for the rich. Worse, it’s a tax increase for the folks with the lowest incomes.  And as formulated it’s even a bad deal for many businesses and for job creation.

Cain’s plan taxes gross sales, less dividends and cost of purchases, but doesn’t include a deduction for wages.  This is truly terrible for small businesses, many of which “profit” primarily by paying decent wages to worker-owners as well as their employees, who are often family members in the smaller enterprises.

Bruce Bartlett, writing at NYT’s Economix (check out his detailed analysis) summarizes the plan’s impact:

    With no tax on capital gains, the rich would pay almost nothing, while elimination of all deductions and credits, as well as imposition of a national sales tax, must necessarily raise taxes on everyone else…

    At a minimum, the Cain plan is a distributional monstrosity. The poor would pay more while the rich would have their taxes cut, with no guarantee that economic growth will increase and good reason to believe that the budget deficit will increase.

    Even allowing for the poorly thought through promises routinely made on the campaign trail, Mr. Cain’s tax plan stands out as exceptionally ill conceived.


I honestly have no idea if Cain is a serious candidate or an egomaniacal crackpot seeking attention. Or both. In any case he definitely is some sort of crackpot. There’s something more than a bit disturbing about watching a  black man gaining popularity – and profiting through his book sales and campaign fundraising – by appealing to the most ingrained resentments of the white Right, echoing their attacks on black people, the unemployed and the poor.

Cain appears on the election landscape as a shill for the worst of his audiences’ assumptions – attempting to minimize the legacy and impact of racism on the black community and demeaning black folks’ ability to act in their self-interest making pragmatic political choices as voters. He’s blasting anyone who resists the Tea Party/GOP’s barely-covert agenda to protect the rich who benefit from lower taxes and rising income inequality, and to further empower corporations.

Cain’s 9-9-9 tax plan – shifting the tax burden from the rich to the working poor and lower-middle class – fully reflects his broader role on the GOP stage. “Exceptionally ill-conceived,” as is Cain’s entire candidacy.
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Re: Wack Job Herman Cain's 999 Tax Man
« Reply #24 on: October 12, 2011, 08:45:49 AM »
BRING IT, you weak, soft, chicken & buscuit-eating Tom.  ;)

And...in my best english, my name ain't "Andre," dipshit.

You're a sheep Andre...a lost angry, little sheep.
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