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This should set off some religious fireworks on here......
http://www.godvine.com/Man-Dies-and-Returns-to-Life-on-the-Operating-Table-420.html
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a miracle is defined as a suspension of natural law (law of physics, etc)
if event X occurred on earth, it had to therefore abide with natural law in order for it to happen
So returning back to life (assuming its true) is thereby permissible under natural law
So there was no suspension of natural law
There was no miracle
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Yes, this is definitly a solid proof that god exist
(lol)
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Yeah Coach a really solid arguement for god... ::)
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His foundation lie in the Holy Mountain....Selah.
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Yeah Coach a really solid arguement for god... ::)
Yeah, what miracle's next on God's list? Man lives, and then dies!?
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This is going to be a fun thread with all of the atheist scientists on here and the explanations that will be made as what happen. lol
I'm just curious to see how many people are going to comment without actually watching the video.
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This is going to be a fun thread with all of the atheist scientists on here...lol.
No it's not. What exactly have you proven? Not a damn thing.
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This is going to be a fun thread with all of the atheist scientists on here...lol.
Tells us about Jesus, and his unbounded compassion for those around him who were poor, or afflicted, Coach.
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This is going to be a fun thread with all of the atheist scientists on here...lol.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt
The guy died and then returned back to life on the operating table <<< Let's say this is 100% true
how do you get from that to the truth of the existence of the Judeo-Christian God?
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Tells us about Jesus, and his unbounded compassion for those around him who were poor, or afflicted, Coach.
;D
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This is going to be a fun thread with all of the atheist scientists on here...lol.
When someone returns to life before ever even dying, that's Getbig.
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is that the same Dr from MuscleTech ???
(http://www.kulturystyka.sklep.pl/inne/muscletech/muscletech_cutl.jpg)
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a miracle is defined as a suspension of natural law (law of physics, etc)
if event X occurred on earth, it had to therefore abide with natural law in order for it to happen
So returning back to life (assuming its true) is thereby permissible under natural law
So there was no suspension of natural law
There was no miracle
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At least take a look.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10338a.htm
http://christiananswers.net/dictionary/miracle.html?zoom_highlight=miracle
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This is going to be a fun thread with all of the atheist scientists on here and the explanations that will be made as what happen. lol
I'm just curious to see how many people are going to comment without actually watching the video.
Do you believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny to?
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Here is another miracle.
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a miracle is defined as a suspension of natural law (law of physics, etc)
if event X occurred on earth, it had to therefore abide with natural law in order for it to happen
So returning back to life (assuming its true) is thereby permissible under natural law
So there was no suspension of natural law
There was no miracle
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He was dead for 40min, pronounced dead...dead as a door nail, gone.
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Roach, there are no such thing as miracles or fairy tales. End of thread.
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is that the same Dr from MuscleTech ???
(http://www.kulturystyka.sklep.pl/inne/muscletech/muscletech_cutl.jpg)
"Well, this creatinine saturated urine has been aging for one day, one week, and one month. The subject died this morning. We found this near the corpse."
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I can't explain what happen and neither can you.
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Do you believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny to?
What happen then? After being dead for 40 min.....what happen?
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He was dead for 40min, pronounced dead...dead as a door nail, gone.
So God took him out of heaven? I bet the guy was disappointed at that
It can still be said that because a person on earth was dead for 40 min then his heart started beating again, that it is sometimes (but rarely) permissible under the laws for nature for that event to occur. So still no suspension of natural laws and still no miracle.
Also see my previous post:
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt
The guy died and then returned back to life on the operating table <<< Let's say this is 100% true
how do you get from that to the truth of the existence of the Judeo-Christian God?
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I can't explain what happen and neither can you.
Looks like the Anator killed him.
:D
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I can't explain what happen and neither can you.
Well we can say what didnt happen and its called a miracle.
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So the guy was in Hell and God took him out of Hell?
Why doesnt he do that for everyone in Hell then?
???
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So God took him out of heaven? I bet the guy was disappointed at that
It can still be said that because a person on earth was dead for 40 min then his heart started beating again, that it is sometimes (but rarely) permissible under the laws for nature for that event to occur. So still no suspension of natural laws and still no miracle.
Also see my previous post:
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt
The guy died and then returned back to life on the operating table <<< Let's say this is 100% true
how do you get from that to the truth of the existence of the Judeo-Christian God?
Magoo, not only did his heart stop beating for 40min, it's also that he was perfectly fine after the fact, no brain damage which happens usually after 6min of no oxygen to the brain (see Benny) no sign heart damage and is resuming a normal life. As to the highlighted, I like to contribute to FAITH. Prove to me that it was anything but...
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Another miracle ::)
Man Wakes After 21 Hours In Morgue Fridge In South Africa
JOHANNESBURG -- A South African man awoke to find himself in a morgue fridge – nearly a day after his family thought he had died, a health official said Monday.
Health department spokesman Sizwe Kupelo said the man awoke Sunday afternoon, 21 hours after his family called in an undertaker who sent him to the morgue after an asthma attack.
Morgue owner Ayanda Maqolo said he sent his driver to collect the body shortly after the family reported the death. Maqolo said he thought the man was around 80 years old.
"When he got there, the driver examined the body, checked his pulse, looked for a heartbeat, but there was nothing," Maqolo told the Associated Press.
But a day after staff put the body into a locked refrigerated compartment, morgue workers heard someone shouting for help. They thought it was a ghost, the morgue owner said.
"I couldn't believe it!" Maqolo said. "I was also scared. But they are my employees and I had to show them I wasn't scared, so I called the police."
After police arrived, the group entered the morgue together.
"I was glad they had their firearms, in case something wanted to fight with us," Maqolo said.
He said the man was pale when they pulled him out.
"He asked, 'How did I get here?'" Maqolo said.
The health department said the man was then taken to a nearby hospital for observation and later discharged by doctors who deemed him stable.
Kupelo, the health department spokesman, urged South Africans to call on health officials to confirm that their relatives are really dead.
The man's family was informed that he was alive during a family meeting convened to make funeral arrangements. They're very happy to have him home, Maqolo said.
But Maqolo said he is still trying to recover from the traumatic experience.
"I couldn't sleep last night, I had nightmares," he said. "But today I'm much better."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/25/man-wakes-after-21-hours-in-morgue-fridge_n_908886.html
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Another miracle ::)
Man Wakes After 21 Hours In Morgue Fridge In South Africa
JOHANNESBURG -- A South African man awoke to find himself in a morgue fridge – nearly a day after his family thought he had died, a health official said Monday.
Health department spokesman Sizwe Kupelo said the man awoke Sunday afternoon, 21 hours after his family called in an undertaker who sent him to the morgue after an asthma attack.
Morgue owner Ayanda Maqolo said he sent his driver to collect the body shortly after the family reported the death. Maqolo said he thought the man was around 80 years old.
"When he got there, the driver examined the body, checked his pulse, looked for a heartbeat, but there was nothing," Maqolo told the Associated Press.
But a day after staff put the body into a locked refrigerated compartment, morgue workers heard someone shouting for help. They thought it was a ghost, the morgue owner said.
"I couldn't believe it!" Maqolo said. "I was also scared. But they are my employees and I had to show them I wasn't scared, so I called the police."
After police arrived, the group entered the morgue together.
"I was glad they had their firearms, in case something wanted to fight with us," Maqolo said.
He said the man was pale when they pulled him out.
"He asked, 'How did I get here?'" Maqolo said.
The health department said the man was then taken to a nearby hospital for observation and later discharged by doctors who deemed him stable.
Kupelo, the health department spokesman, urged South Africans to call on health officials to confirm that their relatives are really dead.
The man's family was informed that he was alive during a family meeting convened to make funeral arrangements. They're very happy to have him home, Maqolo said.
But Maqolo said he is still trying to recover from the traumatic experience.
"I couldn't sleep last night, I had nightmares," he said. "But today I'm much better."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/25/man-wakes-after-21-hours-in-morgue-fridge_n_908886.html
Huffington Post
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Love to sit here and play but work calls. Be back.
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Magoo, not only did his heart stop beating for 40min, it's also that he was perfectly fine after the fact, no brain damage which happens usually after 6min of no oxygen to the brain (see Benny) no sign heart damage and is resuming a normal life. As to the highlighted, I like to contribute to FAITH.
Coach, Let's say a muslim watched this video and said that Allah was watching and saw that this man was dying without ever hearing about Allah and brought him back to life to give him a 2nd chance to accept Allah. But instead when he came back to life, he accepted Jesus, and Allah is very disappointed.
can you prove this muslim wrong?
Also, you cannot forget the VERY big can of worms if you say that God took this man out of hell, that would beg the question "why doesnt he take everyone out of hell?" Lots of children in hell because they didn't accept Jesus.
It's not so simple Coach.
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Huffington Post
Did you happen to see the hilarious source where you got this fabricated story from?
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40 min without oxygen... does that leave the brain function compromised?
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Another miracle ::)
Man Wakes After 21 Hours In Morgue Fridge In South Africa
JOHANNESBURG -- A South African man awoke to find himself in a morgue fridge – nearly a day after his family thought he had died, a health official said Monday.
Health department spokesman Sizwe Kupelo said the man awoke Sunday afternoon, 21 hours after his family called in an undertaker who sent him to the morgue after an asthma attack.
Morgue owner Ayanda Maqolo said he sent his driver to collect the body shortly after the family reported the death. Maqolo said he thought the man was around 80 years old.
"When he got there, the driver examined the body, checked his pulse, looked for a heartbeat, but there was nothing," Maqolo told the Associated Press.
But a day after staff put the body into a locked refrigerated compartment, morgue workers heard someone shouting for help. They thought it was a ghost, the morgue owner said.
"I couldn't believe it!" Maqolo said. "I was also scared. But they are my employees and I had to show them I wasn't scared, so I called the police."
After police arrived, the group entered the morgue together.
"I was glad they had their firearms, in case something wanted to fight with us," Maqolo said.
He said the man was pale when they pulled him out.
"He asked, 'How did I get here?'" Maqolo said.
The health department said the man was then taken to a nearby hospital for observation and later discharged by doctors who deemed him stable.
Kupelo, the health department spokesman, urged South Africans to call on health officials to confirm that their relatives are really dead.
The man's family was informed that he was alive during a family meeting convened to make funeral arrangements. They're very happy to have him home, Maqolo said.
But Maqolo said he is still trying to recover from the traumatic experience.
"I couldn't sleep last night, I had nightmares," he said. "But today I'm much better."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/25/man-wakes-after-21-hours-in-morgue-fridge_n_908886.html
TIA, broah.
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40 min without oxygen... does that leave the brain function compromised?
Its a bogus story. Look where he pulled it from.
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40 min without oxygen... does that leave the brain function compromised?
Not on GB.I'ts required.
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Magoo, not only did his heart stop beating for 40min, it's also that he was perfectly fine after the fact, no brain damage which happens usually after 6min of no oxygen to the brain (see Benny) no sign heart damage and is resuming a normal life. As to the highlighted, I like to contribute to FAITH. Prove to me that it was anything but...
You can't prove a negative. It's a debate fail. i can't prove Rick Perry has stopped beating his wife. See what I mean?
Maybe it was faith. Maybe it's a false story. Maybe it's something else.
The man had no oxygen to brain for 40 minuntes - Is that possible? I'd love to see the evidence. I'd like to see the machine recordings showing zero breathing for 40 minutes. Not a link from "godvine.com". Nothing against the site, but isn't not exactly drudge or fox. This should be WORLD BREAKING NEWS. 40 minutes without oxygen completely reverses the medical community - toss it out the window.
Show us the evidence. Not "the words of the faithful saved" on a religious site.
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2:09
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Ahhhh, good 'ole religion, the bastion of common sense :-)
"Dr. Laura Schlessinger is a radio personality who dispenses advice to people who call in to her radio show. Recently, she said that, as an observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus 18:22 and cannot be condoned under any circumstance. The following is an open letter to Dr. Laura penned by a east coast resident, which was posted on the Internet. It's funny, as well as informative:
Dear Dr. Laura:
Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other specific laws and how to follow them:
When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15:19- 24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?
I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?
A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?
Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?
Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?
I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)
I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.
Your devoted fan,
Jim"
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Different day, different religious story, all the same players.....could take this thread 20-30 pages if I wanted LOL!!
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Different day, different religious story, all the same players.....could take this thread 20-30 pages if I wanted LOL!!
Or, stop it in one, by turning water into wine. That's a miracle we all could get behind.
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I can't explain what happen and neither can you.
Which, of course, isn't sufficient to proclaim that a "miracle" has occurred. For millenia humans couldn't explain why lightning would streak across the sky; why rain fell from the sky; why solar and lunar eclipses happened. None of those things were miracles, despite inability of our ancestors to explain them.
You ask people to prove that it's not a miracle and that faith wasn't involved. Forgetting, for a moment, that you're the one making the extraordinary claim that a miracle occurred, and that therefore, you are the one who has the burden of proof, let me ask you this: what, exactly, would qualify as evidence in your opinion? In other words, what would prove to you that what happened, didn't involve anything supernatural?
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I have faith that people like Coach don't really exist.
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Its a bogus story. Look where he pulled it from.
I agree. Only morons belive anything they read/hear/see without questioning it first. You need a more reliable source than that pal... ::) A christian site using fake video documentarys to make their site more popular, and brainwash people into following their religion............... Oh boy where do I begin. :-X
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Some dizzying intellects in this thread.
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It's not a miracle- he was just on 10iu gh ed and 100mg ed tren ace,,
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Another miracle ::)
Man Wakes After 21 Hours In Morgue Fridge In South Africa
JOHANNESBURG -- A South African man awoke to find himself in a morgue fridge – nearly a day after his family thought he had died, a health official said Monday.
Health department spokesman Sizwe Kupelo said the man awoke Sunday afternoon, 21 hours after his family called in an undertaker who sent him to the morgue after an asthma attack.
Morgue owner Ayanda Maqolo said he sent his driver to collect the body shortly after the family reported the death. Maqolo said he thought the man was around 80 years old.
"When he got there, the driver examined the body, checked his pulse, looked for a heartbeat, but there was nothing," Maqolo told the Associated Press.
But a day after staff put the body into a locked refrigerated compartment, morgue workers heard someone shouting for help. They thought it was a ghost, the morgue owner said.
"I couldn't believe it!" Maqolo said. "I was also scared. But they are my employees and I had to show them I wasn't scared, so I called the police."
After police arrived, the group entered the morgue together.
"I was glad they had their firearms, in case something wanted to fight with us," Maqolo said.
He said the man was pale when they pulled him out.
"He asked, 'How did I get here?'" Maqolo said.
The health department said the man was then taken to a nearby hospital for observation and later discharged by doctors who deemed him stable.
Kupelo, the health department spokesman, urged South Africans to call on health officials to confirm that their relatives are really dead.
The man's family was informed that he was alive during a family meeting convened to make funeral arrangements. They're very happy to have him home, Maqolo said.
But Maqolo said he is still trying to recover from the traumatic experience.
"I couldn't sleep last night, I had nightmares," he said. "But today I'm much better."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/25/man-wakes-after-21-hours-in-morgue-fridge_n_908886.html
Watch the Sonny Chiba movie "Streetfighter" for the technique used to produce this state. :)
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All you pagans can send mee a post card from hell.
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Here is another miracle.
Brutal fucking denial!
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I can't grasp how was that story taken to "prove" anything, regarding god. Not to mention that video is published on a site titled godvine.com. Religious people have a very interesing thought process going on to "pull" the reality closer to their twisted beliefs and illusions, very creative people when it comes to justifying various nonsense they believe in.
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Watch the Sonny Chiba movie "Streetfighter" for the technique used to produce this state. :)
And here I was positive you were going to chime in about your experiences being pronounced clinically dead. :(
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show me the scientific evidence that a human being's brain didn't receive oxygen for 40 minutes, and they didn't sustain any damage.
anyone?
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some terrific minds in this thread.....fantastic displays of knowledge
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show me the scientific evidence that a human being's brain didn't receive oxygen for 40 minutes, and they didn't sustain any damage.
anyone?
Just listen to or read anything by any liberal. There's proof enough that you can be nigh on brain dead and still function just above zombie level. ;D ;D
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show me the scientific evidence that a human being's brain didn't receive oxygen for 40 minutes, and they didn't sustain any damage.
anyone?
Anna Bågenholm, who in 1999, was submerged for over an hour in frigid waters. After she was removed from the water, she had no pulse, she wasn't breathing and she was pretty much frozen solid - her core body temperature was below 15 degrees.
She was successfully resuscitated, although she has suffered some nerve damage that limits the use of her hands. Still quite remarkable and a testament to the resiliency of the human body.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2000/02/03/broadcasts/main156476.shtml
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He was dead for 40min, pronounced dead...dead as a door nail, gone.
Coach, if you read anything to do with science, you would know that what actually constitutes true "death" is still disputed in the scientific community.
Coach, I would also like to add that just because something cant be explained it doesnt mean its Gods work. This argument is called "God of the gaps" Whenever there is a gap in understanding, there is a need to insert a divine explanation. However, there were many things we didnt know hundreds of years ago that we finally figured out without the use of God.
Sorry Coach, just because it cant be explained it doesnt mean God is the answer. that is very poor logic and not the way to argue a valid point.
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a miracle is defined as a suspension of natural law (law of physics, etc)
if event X occurred on earth, it had to therefore abide with natural law in order for it to happen
So returning back to life (assuming its true) is thereby permissible under natural law
So there was no suspension of natural law
There was no miracle
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lol owned.
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I believe there have been instances where corpses in morgues have returned to life. There are also instances where scratches were found on the underside of coffin lids!
So perhaps some people might have no signs of life and are pronounced dead by doctors but are still alive in some unusual sense. Occasionally some of these 'dead' people come back to life.
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It's behind you, it's behind me, it's in all of us watching from every perspective. It's timeless consciousness. Empty your mind of thought and stop thinking, stop talking. When you take time to shut your mind off, and just live in the moment, you'll see that we're all the same thing. We're just consciousness wrapped in another random individual genetic makeup. If you're reading this, you should understand that you're no different than me, i'm no different than you. If you can't understand that, think about it until you get it (or quit thinking until you get it). If you missed that you've either asserted your own reality, missed the true nature it, or both. You're immersed in the universe like a fish is immersed in the sea. It's all the same thing, all one. Why is that so hard to see? We're all a part of it. We awoke as consciousness, and we can't awake as nothing. We sleep and our consciousness drifts away. Now we don't take our body with us when we drift away. It's where you left it. You saw all those dreams go by didn't you? Or was that your consciousness viewing the dream? It certainly wasn't your eyes that saw it, yet you still saw it? Weird. Maybe there's more going on than this physical plane of awareness?
If you just quit cherishing opinions you'll see nothing but truth. Everything is as it is. When you start thinking about anything, you stray farther from the truth. People were once convinced the earth was flat. If we get ourselves stuck in any belief we're opening ourselves up to prejudice. It's the formless mind that can take any form. When you've formed beliefs there's very limited form to be taken. If you can keep your cup empty, it can easily be filled. Unless you've already filled it with strange beliefs.
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And here I was positive you were going to chime in about your experiences being pronounced clinically dead. :(
3 different times yet.