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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: BIG ACH on October 18, 2011, 01:33:01 PM
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GH15 - you have enlightened the internet with your vast and godly knowledge of proper hormone use. But I'm sure there is more to you than just that! :-D
Would you ever consider writing a guide for NATURAL bodybuilders? - Ones that don't want to step don't want to go down the path of homrona use!
Is there hope for natural bodybuilders? :D
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GH15 - you have enlightened the internet with your vast and godly knowledge of proper hormone use. But I'm sure there is more to you than just that! :-D
Would you ever consider writing a guide for NATURAL bodybuilders? - Ones that don't want to step don't want to go down the path of homrona use!
Is there hope for natural bodybuilders? :D
You can't close Pandora's box , the old saying applies, the biggest problem with steroids is they work.
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Yep steriuds do work!! And it is a pandoras box! But I wanted to see if gh15 had an alternative to us who have decided against it! And no I don't have any moral qualms against it... I myself have admitted to messing around in the grey area of pro hormones / pro steroids! I just don't think I can ever put myself through the real deal!
So does gh15 think we are a lost cause? Is there no way to attain monster-nous without it! :)
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or perhaps some cycles for those who dont want to compete but to be pretty gym rats
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Yep steriuds do work!! And it is a pandoras box! But I wanted to see if gh15 had an alternative to us who have decided against it! And no I don't have any moral qualms against it... I myself have admitted to messing around in the grey area of pro hormones / pro steroids! I just don't think I can ever put myself through the real deal!
So does gh15 think we are a lost cause? Is there no way to attain monster-nous without it! :)
Those are steroids...the real deal whether you like it or not.
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Yep steriuds do work!! And it is a pandoras box! But I wanted to see if gh15 had an alternative to us who have decided against it! And no I don't have any moral qualms against it... I myself have admitted to messing around in the grey area of pro hormones / pro steroids! I just don't think I can ever put myself through the real deal!
So does gh15 think we are a lost cause? Is there no way to attain monster-nous without it! :)
you aren't natural you stupid fuck. hormones = not natural. get the fuck out asshole.
also learn to PM gh15. don't need fucking threads about it. he will decide if he wants to answer your shitty questions.
fuck off.
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you aren't natural you stupid fuck. hormones = not natural. get the fuck out asshole.
also learn to PM gh15. don't need fucking threads about it. he will decide if he wants to answer your shitty questions.
fuck off.
unrageable.... ;D
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there is no such thing as natural bodybuilding , There are naturals out there but too weak to be considered bodybuilders. Inject yourselves to Glory.
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Bodybuilding is the muscle.
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Bodybuilding is all drugs.
Are you really saying its possible to build a decent physique without using some kind of PES / drugs?
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testosterona enanato adn propioneta ,, trenbolona acetato ,, hgh
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Whatever you want to call it, the last and only time I used M1T was in 2004 right before it was banned! And for the record, no natural organization has banned me from competing even when I straight up told them what I used because it was legal and over the counter!
The important thing is that I'm not taking anything now and haven't since M1T, and want to keep it that way! So going back on topic!
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Bodybuilding is all drugs.
Are you really saying its possible to build a decent physique without using some kind of PES / drugs?
Today's bodybuilding is all about drugs. Yes, you can build a decent physique without using some kind of PES/drugs. The questions you need to ask of yourself are -
Will you be satisfied with what you and you alone, are capable of achieving and are you willing to work hard, albeit infrequently for such a physique? If so, then welcome to what used to be called "physical culture". If not, too bad.
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natural bodybuilding lol....i've seen few guys at the gym popping few dbols before workout and calls themselves natural...
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Whatever you want to call it, the last and only time I used M1T was in 2004 right before it was banned! And for the record, no natural organization has banned me from competing even when I straight up told them what I used because it was legal and over the counter!
The important thing is that I'm not taking anything now and haven't since M1T, and want to keep it that way! So going back on topic!
you used and still use homo. you are not fooling anyone. go stick a needle up your ass.
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you used and still use homo. you are not fooling anyone. go stick a needle up your ass.
And why have you concluded that I still use?
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I remember GH15 once saying in one of his posts to a random thread he replied...."you're too pussy to use steroids". And I think that pretty much sums it all up, the way Gh15 thinks that is. Either use the steroids and get the ultimate alpha male physique together with your hard work at the gym, and diet. Or break your back everyday to attain half the muscle in one year that you could get in a month through steroids. I'm NOT saying anything, but probably predict the way GH15 would think about this question.
Signed Sincerely One Of GH15's pupils,
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I remember GH15 once saying in one of his posts to a random thread he replied...."you're too pussy to use steroids". And I think that pretty much sums it all up, the way Gh15 thinks that is. Either use the steroids and get the ultimate alpha male physique together with your hard work at the gym, and diet. Or break your back everyday to attain half the muscle in one year that you could get in a month through steroids. I'm NOT saying anything, but probably predict the way GH15 would think about this question.
Signed Sincerely One Of GH15's pupils,
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Fuck off Nav - you're not one of GH15's students! :D
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Fuck off Nav - you're not one of GH15's students! :D
Don't temp me bro ;D
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Big Ach- Do you not feel like a massive douche having a four year old pic of yourself as an avatar, with the way you look right now?
You gotta admit, it is kind of a jerkoff move? I mean you look NOTHING like that.
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I just dont think there is much he can write you have already maxed yourself out for muscle mass naturaly so what could he tell you to do? If you want to make any gains in the field of muscle it would be limited to strength. I mean he cant really write an article for someone he feels cant make gains it would boil down to keep doing what your doing.
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Big Ach- Do you not feel like a massive douche having a four year old pic of yourself as an avatar, with the way you look right now?
You gotta admit, it is kind of a jerkoff move? I mean you look NOTHING like that.
First of all my Avatar is actually 7 years old. You're right - I don't look like that anymore, and you know that because I've plastered a ton of pictures of myself and how I look right now, I haven't tried to hide that or pretend I look like my avatar at the moment.
My avatar is more of a symbol of what I've accomplished (And I'm proud of what I've accomplished), and the fact that I know I can go back to that look anytime I want when I come to compete again!
2003: 220 to 172 in 16 weeks
2004: 230 to 176 in 16 weeks
2007: 265 to 180 in 18 weeks
2008: 215 to 159 in 16 weeks
I should probably stop gaining so much weight in the off-season. But I genuinely don't give a fuck! lol So no I don't think its a jerk off move nor do I feel like a massive douche
Cheers bro 8)
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NO STEROIDS NO BODYBUILDING
gh15 approved
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NO STEROIDS NO BODYBUILDING
gh15 approved
No Insulina- No Philsulina ;D
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No Insulina- No Philsulina ;D
not funny. go attention whore yourself on another forum homo.
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No Insulina- No Philsulina ;D
correct
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not funny. go attention whore yourself on another forum homo.
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not funny. go attention whore yourself on another forum homo.
Hey, where'd you go pussy? Did your meltdowns leave you in tears so soon?
But seriously, are you really benching more than 125 pounds now? I mean, you did say those were old lifts. A whole two months old.
I am very satisfied with my other lifts.
My squat is 190lbs x 6. I just got there after doing 185lbs for 5 workouts.
My deadlift is around 220 x 5. I did 235 x 3 the other day. That was tough.
My bench press though is only 125lbs x 5. I was at 120lbs forever, 115lbs forever, 90lbs forever.
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He admitted to being bullied as a kid. That's why he took up weight lifting and transformed himself into the beast you see today.
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Hey, where'd you go pussy? Did your meltdowns leave you in tears so soon?
But seriously, are you really benching more than 125 pounds now? I mean, you did say those were old lifts. A whole two months old.
You following me through threads now? You really want to suck my dick huh?
Looks like I really hit a nerve LOLOLOL!
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No Insulina- No Philsulina ;D
Shit, so long as we're being clever, how's this?
No vaselina - no tbombz. Or Bay4Pay or "1", or... Shit! Who else here fags off? Fuck if I know. ;D
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Shit, so long as we're being clever, how's this?
No vaselina - no tbombz. Or Bay4Pay or "1", or... Shit! Who else here fags off? Fuck if I know. ;D
No Testerona - No Ronnie Colemona ;D
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You following me through threads now? You really want to suck my dick huh?
Looks like I really hit a nerve LOLOLOL!
Now you're reduce to borrowing my lines. Your emotional meltdowns sicken me.
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STAY POSITIVE FELLAS ;D
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let me tell you a story ,, you know my stiorys are boring sometime so i try to be short,, back in 07-08 or so i was with woman in room ,, i was on getbig,, it was when i didnt have much time to write a lot but i remember i was looking in pictures of bodybuild since i consider everyone in the thunderdome bodybuild...most atleast,, anyways i got to a picture of bignose lol yes yes your picture this pic in the avatar you have i think it was bigger when i saw it ,, and the woman in my place back then came to give me dinner since i like to be served with my meals lol,, anyways she look in that picture of big nose ..you,, and the first words come out of her mouth was ,, who is this freak ,, and he use too much steroid,, she had no clue about hormones,, i dont like female from industry ,, so she had no clue i didnt tell her a word about anything ,, she just saw a picture on a screen,,
now...the moral of the story for big nose and my pupils ,,
when a woman that has nothign to do with bodybuild ....see a pcitures and relate it to hormones....it stinks like a fart from vince fft rtf yy2k asshole,, see ...most female will let fellas pass they dont know what steroid is they think hard work natural born with good genetics balonie all day long...but the woman that night in my place related you with steroids....
thats all ill say ,, and she was right,, you did orals,,so you are not natural ,,
you are not some heavy juicer with years of experience,, but you live in orlando americana capital of all hormones,, where everybody is bodybuild and GOOD BODYBUILD!,, orlando is not some hole in pensilvania,, it is capital of bodybuild of americana ,, also cali both states in americana have many many great great bodybuild,, and you just one of them ....but to go and make fun of it and say this and that hard work and all that when you obviously baloon up to be crazy fat in the off time...i mean if you were real all about natural bodybuild...you would always keep in good shape always be lean ,, always walk 8% on regular basis ,, sit 180lb ,, natural bodybuiold are very very particular and really dont mes around ,, they are very few and they are rare and they dont walk around with 19+ inch arms no matter how fat they are lol
gh15 approved
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let me tell you a story ,, you know my stiorys are boring sometime so i try to be short,, back in 07-08 or so i was with woman in room ,, i was on getbig,, it was when i didnt have much time to write a lot but i remember i was looking in pictures of bodybuild since i consider everyone in the thunderdome bodybuild...most atleast,, anyways i got to a picture of bignose lol yes yes your picture this pic in the avatar you have i think it was bigger when i saw it ,, and the woman in my place back then came to give me dinner since i like to be served with my meals lol,, anyways she look in that picture of big nose ..you,, and the first words come out of her mouth was ,, who is this freak ,, and he use too much steroid,, she had no clue about hormones,, i dont like female from industry ,, so she had no clue i didnt tell her a word about anything ,, she just saw a picture on a screen,,
now...the moral of the story for big nose and my pupils ,,
when a woman that has nothign to do with bodybuild ....see a pcitures and relate it to hormones....it stinks like a fart from vince fft rtf yy2k asshole,, see ...most female will let fellas pass they dont know what steroid is they think hard work natural born with good genetics balonie all day long...but the woman that night in my place related you with steroids....
thats all ill say ,, and she was right,, you did orals,,so you are not natural ,,
you are not some heavy juicer with years of experience,, but you live in orlando americana capital of all hormones,, where everybody is bodybuild and GOOD BODYBUILD!,, orlando is not some hole in pensilvania,, it is capital of bodybuild of americana ,, also cali both states in americana have many many great great bodybuild,, and you just one of them ....but to go and make fun of it and say this and that hard work and all that when you obviously baloon up to be crazy fat in the off time...i mean if you were real all about natural bodybuild...you would always keep in good shape always be lean ,, always walk 8% on regular basis ,, sit 180lb ,, natural bodybuiold are very very particular and really dont mes around ,, they are very few and they are rare and they dont walk around with 19+ inch arms no matter how fat they are lol
gh15 approved
My avatar picture was before I ever used M1T though :D
You're right though, I'm not very particular unless its contest prep time!
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maybe ti wasnt this picture,, it was one of your pictures i cant see this one is too small,, it was one of your picturs when down to 6% dry,, cant remember which it was i think its this but not 100% sure,,been 4 years almsot
gh15 approved
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maybe ti wasnt this picture,, it was one of your pictures i cant see this one is too small,, it was one of your picturs when down to 6% dry,, cant remember which it was i think its this but not 100% sure,,been 4 years almsot
gh15 approved
I used M1T in 2004 a little while after I competed - two cycles (Felt like a freaking tank)
I competed again in 2007 and 2008 - maybe you're referring to one of those pictures then. And I'm always dry come show time ;)
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let me tell you a story ,, you know my stiorys are boring sometime so i try to be short,, back in 07-08 or so i was with woman in room ,, i was on getbig,, it was when i didnt have much time to write a lot but i remember i was looking in pictures of bodybuild since i consider everyone in the thunderdome bodybuild...most atleast,, anyways i got to a picture of bignose lol yes yes your picture this pic in the avatar you have i think it was bigger when i saw it ,, and the woman in my place back then came to give me dinner since i like to be served with my meals lol,, anyways she look in that picture of big nose ..you,, and the first words come out of her mouth was ,, who is this freak ,, and he use too much steroid,, she had no clue about hormones,, i dont like female from industry ,, so she had no clue i didnt tell her a word about anything ,, she just saw a picture on a screen,,
now...the moral of the story for big nose and my pupils ,,
when a woman that has nothign to do with bodybuild ....see a pcitures and relate it to hormones....it stinks like a fart from vince fft rtf yy2k asshole,, see ...most female will let fellas pass they dont know what steroid is they think hard work natural born with good genetics balonie all day long...but the woman that night in my place related you with steroids....
thats all ill say ,, and she was right,, you did orals,,so you are not natural ,,
you are not some heavy juicer with years of experience,, but you live in orlando americana capital of all hormones,, where everybody is bodybuild and GOOD BODYBUILD!,, orlando is not some hole in pensilvania,, it is capital of bodybuild of americana ,, also cali both states in americana have many many great great bodybuild,, and you just one of them ....but to go and make fun of it and say this and that hard work and all that when you obviously baloon up to be crazy fat in the off time...i mean if you were real all about natural bodybuild...you would always keep in good shape always be lean ,, always walk 8% on regular basis ,, sit 180lb ,, natural bodybuiold are very very particular and really dont mes around ,, they are very few and they are rare and they dont walk around with 19+ inch arms no matter how fat they are lol
gh15 approved
This is why I am your pupil. This fella GH15 says it like it is. He doesn't sugar coat it, add a little bit of sugar and a little bit of spice and voila. 8)
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just admit it your on the gear, trust me u will feel a lot better once u get it off your chest. then u can up the dosage and really start to look good
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Big Ach is natural ? ???
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No Insulina- No Philsulina ;D
Ach why do you train? What is the point in walking around at 20% for the majority of the year.
Just keep single digits ffs, i dont even know what to call guys that train like you do, you should be in shape 24/7.
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Here is a formula that I've seen from a few different reputable sources regarding a true naturals top muscular conditioned potential:
(Height in centimeters - 100) = Body weight in kilo ("shredded", i.e. 5-6% body fat).
Example: If your height is 180 cm (5'11), subtract 100 and you get 80.
80 kg (176 lbs) is your maximum muscular potential when you are in peak condition; rock hard abs with visible veins running across them, striated arms and delts, and so forth.
Thoughts?
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let me tell you a story ,, you know my stiorys are boring sometime so i try to be short,, back in 07-08 or so i was with woman in room ,, i was on getbig,, it was when i didnt have much time to write a lot but i remember i was looking in pictures of bodybuild since i consider everyone in the thunderdome bodybuild...most atleast,, anyways i got to a picture of bignose lol yes yes your picture this pic in the avatar you have i think it was bigger when i saw it ,, and the woman in my place back then came to give me dinner since i like to be served with my meals lol,, anyways she look in that picture of big nose ..you,, and the first words come out of her mouth was ,, who is this freak ,, and he use too much steroid,, she had no clue about hormones,, i dont like female from industry ,, so she had no clue i didnt tell her a word about anything ,, she just saw a picture on a screen,,
now...the moral of the story for big nose and my pupils ,,
when a woman that has nothign to do with bodybuild ....see a pcitures and relate it to hormones....it stinks like a fart from vince fft rtf yy2k asshole,, see ...most female will let fellas pass they dont know what steroid is they think hard work natural born with good genetics balonie all day long...but the woman that night in my place related you with steroids....
thats all ill say ,, and she was right,, you did orals,,so you are not natural ,,
you are not some heavy juicer with years of experience,, but you live in orlando americana capital of all hormones,, where everybody is bodybuild and GOOD BODYBUILD!,, orlando is not some hole in pensilvania,, it is capital of bodybuild of americana ,, also cali both states in americana have many many great great bodybuild,, and you just one of them ....but to go and make fun of it and say this and that hard work and all that when you obviously baloon up to be crazy fat in the off time...i mean if you were real all about natural bodybuild...you would always keep in good shape always be lean ,, always walk 8% on regular basis ,, sit 180lb ,, natural bodybuiold are very very particular and really dont mes around ,, they are very few and they are rare and they dont walk around with 19+ inch arms no matter how fat they are lol
gh15 approved
So your point is some bimbo who knows nothing about bodybuilding saw a guy with muscles and assumed he was on steroids
I can't imagine why you don't tell us more stories
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Here is a formula that I've seen from a few different reputable sources regarding a true naturals top muscular conditioned potential:
(Height in centimeters - 100) = Body weight in kilo ("shredded", i.e. 5-6% body fat).
Example: If your height is 180 cm (5'11), subtract 100 and you get 80.
80 kg (176 lbs) is your maximum muscular potential when you are in peak condition; rock hard abs with visible veins running across them, striated arms and delts, and so forth.
Thoughts?
Won`t be accurate........differen t bodytypes as well as age and dedication to training and diet come into play bigtime.
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natural bodybuilding lol....i've seen few guys at the gym popping few dbols before workout and calls themselves natural...
Sure you did twat....because so many people just do that out in the open. ::) 25+yrs in a gym and I have NEVER seen anyone do that in the open....and I have had friends who use. Your response should have read:
natural bodybuilding lol....i've seen few guys at the gym popping popped a few dbols before workout and calls themselves tell people I am natural...
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Won`t be accurate........differen t bodytypes as well as age and dedication to training and diet come into play bigtime.
Yep, and i think it's more like cm - 110 or 105 in reality when we talk contest ready ripped.
180cm = 70-75kg ripped.
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Hey, where'd you go pussy? Did your meltdowns leave you in tears so soon?
But seriously, are you really benching more than 125 pounds now? I mean, you did say those were old lifts. A whole two months old.
LOL
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Hope? Depends what you mean by "Hope" if by hope you mean:
Hopelessly competing at a high level and hoping to do well.
Or hoping to get as big and ripped as the pro's and top amateurs.
Then no, there is no hope!
Hope this helps :D
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Yep, and i think it's more like cm - 110 or 105 in reality when we talk contest ready ripped.
180cm = 70-75kg ripped.
Here's his more concise version, including a contest ready physique:
Furthermore, while 100 is a nice and round number, you'll obviously see some variance here as well. All things considered, a more precise formula for maximum muscular potential would look a little something like this:
(Height in cm) - 98-102 = kg body weight on competition day. Ripped and slightly dehydrated.
(Height in cm) - 96-100 = kg body weight. Ripped and under normal circumstances.
P.S. 180cm @ 75kg ripped is Spider-man's stats, so is Spider-man a lifetime natural? ;D ;D ;D
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Sure you did twat....because so many people just do that out in the open. ::) 25+yrs in a gym and I have NEVER seen anyone do that in the open....and I have had friends who use. Your response should have read:
natural bodybuilding lol....i've seen few guys at the gym popping popped a few dbols before workout and calls themselves tell people I am natural...
Owned
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Ach why do you train? What is the point in walking around at 20% for the majority of the year.
Just keep single digits ffs, i dont even know what to call guys that train like you do, you should be in shape 24/7.
Because I still look like I'm in better shape than 99% of the population, even at such high BF%
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Because I still look like I'm in better shape than 99% of the population, even at such high BF%
LOL, you still claim natural?
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LOL, you still claim natural?
Yes I do!
Whatever you want to call it, the last and only time I used M1T was in 2004 right before it was banned! And for the record, no natural organization has banned me from competing even when I straight up told them what I used because it was legal and over the counter!
The important thing is that I'm not taking anything now and haven't since M1T, and want to keep it that way!
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Yes I do!
Ok, good for you.
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Ok, good for you.
You don't believe that I'm not anything?... or do you just believe because I used M1T in 2004, I shouldn't be able to claim natural now?
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You don't believe that I'm not anything?... or do you just believe because I used M1T in 2004, I shouldn't be able to claim natural now?
Why would you use and then never use again? That makes zero sense.
Whats your natural structure, do u put fat on easily? I dont really see any nattys that fluctuate like you do.
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Why would you use and then never use again? That makes zero sense.
Whats your natural structure, do u put fat on easily? I dont really see any nattys that fluctuate like you do.
I used M1T back then because it was legal. I don't use anymore, because its now illegal (plain and simple).
My natural structure is that I've always been a skinny, scrawny kid (ectomorph-ish) before i ever touched a weight I was about 160-170 lbs and lanky! Never thought I put on fat easily or anything but my dad and bro are overweight, so maybe there's some of it in my genes.
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I know for a fact Big Ach uses ZERO Hormones.
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I used M1T back then because it was legal. I don't use anymore, because its now illegal (plain and simple).
My natural structure is that I've always been a skinny, scrawny kid (ectomorph-ish) before i ever touched a weight I was about 160-170 lbs and lanky! Never thought I put on fat easily or anything but my dad and bro are overweight, so maybe there's some of it in my genes.
Ok Ach i thought you were a decent guy but you are just coming out with tard arguments now. You gonna get lifed off for buying gear? Are there no other prohormones on the market?
You fluctuate in bodyweight and composition drastically, never really seen that with nattys, sorry.
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I used M1T back then because it was legal. I don't use anymore, because its now illegal (plain and simple).
My natural structure is that I've always been a skinny, scrawny kid (ectomorph-ish) before i ever touched a weight I was about 160-170 lbs and lanky! Never thought I put on fat easily or anything but my dad and bro are overweight, so maybe there's some of it in my genes.
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أحمد...
إذا انت عاوز تنافس في اللعبة الجربانه دي, خاصة في امريكا, لازم تستخدم الحاجات الوسخة دي
خامة جسمك ممتازة جاتك نيلة يا معفن!!! لوووووول
seriously bro... get on some hormones and win some shows... you have a tiny waist and big ass sliced biceps and great insertion points. looks like you'd blow the fuck up on hormones. why not do it? why not spend some time in egypt for a couple of months in egypt and blow up there before a show, then go back to the states and compete so it's all legal if that's your concern?
I can't understand why you try to work so hard while leaving out the most important aspect of this retarded game?
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GH15 - you have enlightened the internet with your vast and godly knowledge of proper hormone use. But I'm sure there is more to you than just that! :-D
Would you ever consider writing a guide for NATURAL bodybuilders? - Ones that don't want to step don't want to go down the path of homrona use!
Is there hope for natural bodybuilders? :D
I like Big Ach original idea for a natural bible. Maybe put it as a sticky under the natural bodybuilding section?
Also what about a bible for HRT/TRT? We don’t have that yet do we? Might be helpful since bodybuilders typically have more experience with hormones than do most doctors. ;)
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Ok Ach i thought you were a decent guy but you are just coming out with tard arguments now. You gonna get lifed off for buying gear? Are there no other prohormones on the market?
You fluctuate in bodyweight and composition drastically, never really seen that with nattys, sorry.
There are no other good legal pro-hormones on the market! Thats a fact, if there were I may be on them. If Dbol (and other oral steroids) were legal, I'd probably be on them - (Could never do injectables though).
Believe whatever you want buddy.... I'm being 100% honest man, you want to to change your opinion about me because you think my honesty is a tard argument so be it - I don't know you and you don't impact my life, just like I don't impact yours. lol....
You've never seen anyone fluctuate so much like this because they are either (A) too lazy too go up so much in weight then have to diet it again or (B) they don't like putting on that much weight in the off-season!
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أحمد...
إذا انت عاوز تنافس في اللعبة الجربانه دي, خاصة في امريكا, لازم تستخدم الحاجات الوسخة دي
خامة جسمك ممتازة جاتك نيلة يا معفن!!! لوووووول
seriously bro... get on some hormones and win some shows... you have a tiny waist and big ass sliced biceps and great insertion points. looks like you'd blow the fuck up on hormones. why not do it? why not spend some time in egypt for a couple of months in egypt and blow up there before a show, then go back to the states and compete so it's all legal if that's your concern?
I can't understand why you try to work so hard while leaving out the most important aspect of this retarded game?
I lived in Egypt for about 4 years after undergrad before moving back to the states - never used any steroids there EVEN THOUGH ALL STEROIDS ARE LEGAL IN EGYPT - but I didn't because i was still competing in natural organizations in the US!
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I lived in Egypt for about 4 years after undergrad before moving back to the states - never used any steroids there EVEN THOUGH ALL STEROIDS ARE LEGAL IN EGYPT - but I didn't because i was still competing in natural organizations in the US!
a lot of other competitors compete in natural organizations and win... that doesn't stop them from being juiced out of their minds.
hell... most people on our saudi bb team are paying big bucks to people to teach them what to use to pass the tests... i'm sure they're all "natural"... LOL
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a lot of other competitors compete in natural organizations and win... that doesn't stop them from being juiced out of their minds.
hell... most people on our saudi bb team are paying big bucks to people to teach them what to use to pass the tests... i'm sure they're all "natural"... LOL
Thats just not my style then. lol
When I took M1T, any non-prescription over the counter products were legal with the OCB (www.theocbwebsite.com)
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أحمد...
إذا انت عاوز تنافس في اللعبة الجربانه دي, خاصة في امريكا, لازم تستخدم الحاجات الوسخة دي
خامة جسمك ممتازة جاتك نيلة يا معفن!!! لوووووول
seriously bro... get on some hormones and win some shows... you have a tiny waist and big ass sliced biceps and great insertion points. looks like you'd blow the fuck up on hormones. why not do it? why not spend some time in egypt for a couple of months in egypt and blow up there before a show, then go back to the states and compete so it's all legal if that's your concern?
I can't understand why you try to work so hard while leaving out the most important aspect of this retarded game?
By the way - I laughed so fucking hard reading that arabic! LOLLL
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Big Ach is a cool and nice guy.... 8) and I believe he's natural !
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Big Ach is a cool and nice guy.... 8) and I believe he's natural !
Thanks brotha - right back at you!
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Big Ach is a cool and nice guy.... 8) and I believe he's natural !
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if that's natural, then how come my arms aren't even 16" after all these years of suffering with decent genetics?
don't say "bad genetics" because then how come everyone in school was always weaker and smaller even before lifting weight
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Because I still look like I'm in better shape than 99% of the population, even at such high BF%
no you dont,, this is where your mistake is,, eventhough you use tablets....in this condition you dont look like bodybuild ,, you look more like a fella that train arms and go to gym 2-3 times a week ,, this is not better than 99% of fellas not even close,,especialy not in orlando americana where evryone is in shape and jucied to the max
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yea i agree, dont look too good there big achy, btw its easy as fuck to gain weight on an egyptian family diet, my buddy is egyptian and when i go there his mom and sisters feed me like a king and they always take into account the fact that im a bodybuilder.... really a great bunch of people, but they do lie tho ;D
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أحمد...
إذا انت عاوز تنافس في اللعبة الجربانه دي, خاصة في امريكا, لازم تستخدم الحاجات الوسخة دي
خامة جسمك ممتازة جاتك نيلة يا معفن!!! لوووووول
seriously bro... get on some hormones and win some shows... you have a tiny waist and big ass sliced biceps and great insertion points. looks like you'd blow the fuck up on hormones. why not do it? why not spend some time in egypt for a couple of months in egypt and blow up there before a show, then go back to the states and compete so it's all legal if that's your concern?
I can't understand why you try to work so hard while leaving out the most important aspect of this retarded game?
because he already done it,, he is not injection fella this is not thickness of injections,, it is orals,, you got to unerstand the place this fella live ....and the occupation he is doing which is engeneering student or whatevr,, in orlando americana 9 out of 10 fellas that train arre hormonized,, it capital of hormones,, he also is known with web site and work in ....engeneering area phd....if he admit to anything he is done and cooked when it come to future of his choice,,you got to understand this friends,,
its more com;kicated than you think ,, still! to lie about it is not right
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a lot of other competitors compete in natural organizations and win... that doesn't stop them from being juiced out of their minds.
hell... most people on our saudi bb team are paying big bucks to people to teach them what to use to pass the tests... i'm sure they're all "natural"... LOL
lol i cant believ you argue with him abotu this ,, you knwo bodybuild,, this is not natural arms nor natural weight ,, no body climb to 260lb and look half decent when 5'11 lol at 220-230 natursal they already look like bacon and sausage mix,,he has some density of oral user
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people have no idea that they don't look good when they're all bloofy, especially in america, they just look like every construction worker ever.
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nothing to do with being bloofy ,, bloofy is actualy good,, usualy bloofy fellas have the right muscle under just hidden to soem degree by water and some fat,, the thing with bignose is lol ...he has the weight go to the right places ,, yes he has fat stomack when on heavy side but the muscle is getting the size that only ONLY synetic hormone can give ,, especialy to arbs that have very weak arms all middle eastern arms suck ,, notice what come best with him...the arms....if delt are not as cupped or as thick it doesnt mean you are not hormonized....it mean you use hormones in the right period of time,, when DIETING! to keep as much muscle as possible on you ,, notice how true natural will loze all thickness and fella who use tablets doesnt ,, they remain alive from the side view,, they have some thiciknness even though they get into the 5-6% zone ,, thats becausee they use hormones mainly tablets,,
the hormonized look of inject is when you have big traps ,, swole forarms... and thick thick delts,,, fellas on tablets can manipulate this look so they can look natural and pass as naturals,, it is very important to understand that the so call natural competitors sit on computer so long as read so much about natural balonie and how to pass as natural that they become very good in this,, to you they will say 8 meals a day and diet change everything and they leanred their body so well....reality of the matter is this
they didnt see no fuckin improvment until they went on ....fat burners,, and tablets of syntetic hormones,,
the most shady fellas arounds are the ones who call themselves naturals,, because...they are very quiet and dont share a thing,, their all life approach is like this,, relashionships too ,, they wont talk unless you ask ,, and even when you ask they will only volunteer information that is limited ,, naturals are very good in this deciving approach ,, i have trained so many and its alwyas the same ALWAYS THE SAME
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Oh wise god of hormona! Can you please list for me exactly what orals you think I'm taking (aside from the M1t I already listed) at least you can give me some ideas, if I ever change my mind LOL!
You guys are underestimating yourselves! To get up to 265 lbs I was eating 4000 to 5000 calories a day and had over a 40 inch waist! Wasn't even when I was on M1T
I felt like a bulldozer at the time but was always out of breath!!
Now 225 - 230 is a much better place for me! 215 would be even better!
Stop kidding yourselves hombre! Gh15 may know a lot about hormona, I dunno, but he doesn't know about me and what I'm taking! :)
Gh15 this isn't a knock at you, I genuinely enjoy your posts! But come on buddy! Lol. You're wrong here!
And come on? I'm quiet now??? Lol
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again ,, im never wrong,, if i thoguht you were true natural i would point it and say it,, you are not ,, end of case,, you are not an injection bodybuild,, you are a tablet fella,, you are not swimming in orals every day of every week of every year,, you do your thing when needed,, trsut me on that....orlando americana you woudnt be able to get in to gymnasium for so long over there naturaly ,, you get discouraged very fast ,, it is bodybuidl capital of americana ,, its just too high competition ,, true naturals there walk 170-180 8-10% 5'10-5'11 ...rest are hormonized
and again even the true naturals lol are sadly on halodrol you can buy on amazon lol and on balonie they tried from doc they know that gave them some pills because they became bud budd with him in gymnasium ,, im telling you how it is and what i say is not up for argue ....i made fortune on so call naturals lol
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Why do you believe him when he says he only does orals, to me his physique seems like he should be very very skinny without hormones, he just has the bone structure of a small guy, when I look at his competition pictures it looks to me like a sophisticated cocktail of drugs is in his veins, he is much more advance than some guys who admit to using more than orals, also what do you mean it has nothing to do with bloofyness? I didn't say he didn't have no muscles, I said guys who are bloofy just don;t look good, they don't look like bodybuilders, they don't get second looks from girls when they are in a bar in florida, they look like every other bloofy ass guy
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he just doesnt have the thickness injection give ,, he has oral thickness,, its different,, he doesnt have the skin look of injection user ,, even water base compound give specific skin look that he doesnt have ,, this is 100% oral fella which.....is enough ,, oyu give some dianabola to fella liek this with arab fat in genetic aka family has tendency to get fat...and you feed him dianaboola and you get very big fella that is not in shape but the muscle grow ...same for m1t which is exactly oral steroid like dianabola ,,
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Here are some pics of some other great naturals... Let's take a poll and see how many GBers think the below guys are completely natural. I always get a kick out these natural/not natural debates. Not only because it really doesn't matter, but I like finding out how ignorant people are and I'm usually never surprised...
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BTW I don't know who any of the guys I just posted are or anything about them... They all have web sites though like Big Ach and actually that's how I found them, from links off Achs site. These guys are all natural though right big ach? Maybe that 1 halodrol cycle when it was legal so it doesn't count, but only that 1 time, so really they are 100% true naturals...
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yes but those are all on injects ,, they are severe abusers and long time users of injects and many type hormones that suit the fake natural ,, big nose is much less ,, he is trying to keep it somewhat belivable even to experienced cult members,, he is not doped like the ones you see ,, he is oral and only oral
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BTW I don't know who any of the guys I just posted are or anything about them... They all have web sites though like Big Ach and actually that's how I found them, from links off Achs site. These guys are all natural though right big ach? Maybe that 1 halodrol cycle when it was legal so it doesn't count, but only that 1 time, so really they are 100% true naturals...
halodrol to be hones twith you is better drug than winstrol lol this is how sad it is lol
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Here is my question: since these natural guys have such dominant genetics... OBVIOUSLY... why not jump on the hormones??
Seems to me with genetics like that, you'd probably be on the O stage in under 3 years no problem... Could probably be one of the few guys in the world to actually make a living from bodybuilding alone. As opposed to competing in these natural divisions where you'll never get the recognition your phenomenal genetics and physiques deserve.
Wow, I think I'm going to stop juicing. I feel like a dick now. Really. I feel like if I advance in bodybuilding that I'd just be stealing from these great naturals who really have the top genetics and deserve more recognition... damn... ;D ;D ::) ::)
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BigHer i actually believe I've taken more stuff than those guys, since I took m1t and they haven't.
I know all three of them very well, we've chilled many times and trained together! They are all natural! And all much more disciplined than me!
If it makes you feel better to say that they are juicing, do what you gotta do! But you'll be lying to yourself!
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you got to be crazy to think this fella in the 3 picture you put are anythig remotely close to clean! not natural but clean ,, im very surprized at you bignose,, what are you lieing about if you actualy say they are natural ....thats the question ,, i always give you the benefit of doubt and of my expertize and saying you are only on orals,,,but to say those fellas which are obvious hormonizers OBVIOUS,, the skin thickness ,, the muscle quality and density ,, the weight to height ratio and the specific muscle sculp ....to say they are natural? you dont even say clean ...yo usay natural ,, if you said look they are clean for 2 weeks ....id be like ok bignose is staying within some kind of reason ,, but to say natural?
they are not clean and not natural ,, they are hormonizers who could not make it to the next level thus stuck in lower level shows called natural shows or lower level nps shows which are not qualify worthy ,,
a natural is a bodybuild who couldnt make it to the next level...as simple as that,, not because he didnt use hormones but because his respond SUCKED
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BigHer i actually believe I've taken more stuff than those guys, since I took m1t and they haven't.
I know all three of them very well, we've chilled many times and trained together! They are all natural! And all much more disciplined than me!
If it makes you feel better to say that they are juicing, do what you gotta do! But you'll be lying to yourself!
I think it's funny that because you "chilled many times and trained together" that you know what these people do behind closed doors. Big Ach, I respect you. Not even being a dick. I have never once on this board attacked someone. You seem smart and hard working. How naive are you though??? Do you think every person I train with knows what I use or that I know what they use??? Do you think people just walk around advertising it??? I can think of 1 consistant training partner I have who I consider a good friend that we openly share our cycles with each other, but even then, it's not like I'm there pushing the plunger down on the guys needle so although I do trust him and believe him, I would never truly know!
It must be really nice to go through life thinking everyone is open and honest about everything they do. We all have secrets bro. We all have vices too. Some we share and others we keep to ourselves. Oh and when I say ourselves, I mean fucking no one!!!
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Also, I have no questions as to what people can accomplish naturally. I've stated many times that 8 of my 10 years of training were natural. I ake sure I get my food in and my sleep. I'm not a partier. I have an educationg, a good job, I work hard and live a bodybuilding lifestyle. I also do what is necessary to advance. I just haven't seen a reason to lie on a forum about use though. I can understand when guys lie to protect contracts, keep their jobs, etc... but on a bodybuilding forum??? Why are you even on here if you're not going to openly talk about every aspect of bodybuilding.
I'm here for 2 reasons:
1) to follow the bible and advance in bodybuilding.
2) entertainment. I have 2 computer screens up at work and Getbig is always minimized on one of them and when I take breaks to eat or have a long boring conference call, I join in the fun.
That's it! I don't see a reason to lie on here though...
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lol @ gh calling him bignose ;D
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I remember GH15 once saying in one of his posts to a random thread he replied...."you're too pussy to use steroids". And I think that pretty much sums it all up, the way Gh15 thinks that is. Either use the steroids and get the ultimate alpha male physique together with your hard work at the gym, and diet. Or break your back everyday to attain half the muscle in one year that you could get in a month through steroids. I'm NOT saying anything, but probably predict the way GH15 would think about this question.
Signed Sincerely One Of GH15's pupils,
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You summed it right there!
Why keep bodybuilding a healthy fit lifestyle? What good does it do to build a fit, strong decent, drug free body?
It makes a lot more sense to turn you ass into a pin cushion and go to any means to be a freak and social outcast.
Why be healthy when you can be a real man and drug addict...yee hah!!!!!!!
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Yes I do!
I guess you already know that is IMPOSSIBLE to even lift more then the bar without a lot of drugs. ::)
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I guess you already know that is IMPOSSIBLE to even lift more then the bar without a lot of drugs. ::)
Howard, that bar is heavy!
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Howard, that bar is heavy!
LOL.
We both know from having done it drugged before and without drugs or some compromise with prohormones or whatever.
Many of the guys on here who claim they KNOW what steroids can/ can't do have never been on a real cycle I bet.
A guy like GH15 realizes that you have to take a lot of juice for maximm gains and he is correct.
I would imagine to guys like him , it seems silly to bodybuilding without drugs.
The problem with THAT thinking is that it narrows bodybuilding into a drugged up freak cult activity.
Sure, GH15 is 100% correct, if and only if you want to try and get an IFBB pro card.
Ya see Big Arch, we both know a hard working guy in the gym can make decent gains with little or no drugs.
It makes a lot more sense in the long run to bodybuild for PERSONAL reasons.
Bodybuilding without drugs can be a LOT cheaper and a lot more healthy in the long run.
I'm on prescribed androgel and close to 53 now , so I guess I'm not really 100% natural.
Ya know what, I could care less about labels and enjoy doing my own thing in the gym.
I also enjoy seing the top enhanced pros and what they bring to the stage.
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again ,, im never wrong,, if i thoguht you were true natural i would point it and say it,, you are not ,, end of case,, you are not an injection bodybuild,, you are a tablet fella,, you are not swimming in orals every day of every week of every year,, you do your thing when needed,, trsut me on that....orlando americana you woudnt be able to get in to gymnasium for so long over there naturaly ,, you get discouraged very fast ,, it is bodybuidl capital of americana ,, its just too high competition ,, true naturals there walk 170-180 8-10% 5'10-5'11 ...rest are hormonized
and again even the true naturals lol are sadly on halodrol you can buy on amazon lol and on balonie they tried from doc they know that gave them some pills because they became bud budd with him in gymnasium ,, im telling you how it is and what i say is not up for argue ....i made fortune on so call naturals lol
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I agree with GH15, that the top bodybuilders in the world are all "juiced to the gills". No argument there.
You are correct that NOBODY can get to their maximum portential without drugs.
But it has been my experience and observation that a gifted guy who works hard can exceeed a lot of your so called natty lmits.
Doing bodybuilding with little or no drugs makes more sense for 99% of those who train.
Only the top 1% are gifted enough to ever have a prayer of making it in the pros right?
Why go thru all the legal hassles, financial costs and health riks with massive drug use if it is going to be a hobby anyway ?
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LOL.
We both know from having done it drugged before and without drugs or some compromise with prohormones or whatever.
Many of the guys on here who claim they KNOW what steroids can/ can't do have never been on a real cycle I bet.
A guy like GH15 realizes that you have to take a lot of juice for maximm gains and he is correct.
I would imagine to guys like him , it seems silly to bodybuilding without drugs.
The problem with THAT thinking is that it narrows bodybuilding into a drugged up freak cult activity.
Sure, GH15 is 100% correct, if and only if you want to try and get an IFBB pro card.
Ya see Big Arch, we both know a hard working guy in the gym can make decent gains with little or no drugs.
It makes a lot more sense in the long run to bodybuild for PERSONAL reasons.
Bodybuilding without drugs can be a LOT cheaper and a lot more healthy in the long run.
I'm on prescribed androgel and close to 53 now , so I guess I'm not really 100% natural.
Ya know what, I could care less about labels and enjoy doing my own thing in the gym.
I also enjoy seing the top enhanced pros and what they bring to the stage.
Howard, the above is a good post. I do have my goals set on an IFBB pro card, but what you said above is correct!
I have stated this before but I'll be clear again:
Set your goals and act accordingly! If you want to be an IFBB pro than you need to be realistic about what that is going to take. HOWEVER, if that's not your goal than maybe you need little to no hormones at all! I just don't like the lying and I don't understand it. All this "well I only take a little halodrol and you run full cycles but I look better so I must have better genetics" and blah blah ego driven bullshit! Just set your goals. When I used to be a personal trainer I would always ask my client first: What are your goals?? Once you have a goal you need to be proud that you are working toward a goal. You need to be proud of the fact that you are doing whatever it takes to achieve your goal because you take pride in achieving your goals. No reason to lie though. If you have a goal, be realistic about what it will take to achieve that and be proud of it and stand by it!
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Solid post Howard and bigher! There are many reasons why I chose not to use drugs, the legal aspect is just one part of it.
I've been lifting for about ten years and have been good friends with guys that have openly shared their cycle with me and guys that haven't! To each their own, and I don't care and don't judge!
I come on here for entertainment and I've never lied here!
My goals are to get as big as I possibly can without drugs, thats all, no ifbb pro card or anything remotely close for me!
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I agree with GH15, that the top bodybuilders in the world are all "juiced to the gills". No argument there.
You are correct that NOBODY can get to their maximum portential without drugs.
But it has been my experience and observation that a gifted guy who works hard can exceeed a lot of your so called natty lmits.
Doing bodybuilding with little or no drugs makes more sense for 99% of those who train.
Only the top 1% are gifted enough to ever have a prayer of making it in the pros right?
Why go thru all the legal hassles, financial costs and health riks with massive drug use if it is going to be a hobby anyway ?
OK... My only issue here is that even if there is a gifted guy who can exceed gh15's natural limits, those gifted people are rare! Problem is, most people don't want to admit that they're not one of those gifted people and that hormones are probably needed to achieve the goals and look they want to achieve physically.
It's also a matter of what kind of life you want to have. gh15 has made it clear on several occasions that drugs assist in making you be able to live a normal life at times while bodybuilding. You can eat normal foods at times, go out with a girl, and not have to worry about you're condition and look being totally fucked because the hormones are there to help with that. It allows you to bodybuild and maintain somewhat of a normal lifestyle... if you consider sticking hormones in yourself normal and are OK with that of course. ;D
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Here are some pics of some other great naturals... Let's take a poll and see how many GBers think the below guys are completely natural. I always get a kick out these natural/not natural debates. Not only because it really doesn't matter, but I like finding out how ignorant people are and I'm usually never surprised...
Third guy is christian bale ? lol
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again ,, im never wrong,, if i thoguht you were true natural i would point it and say it,, you are not ,, end of case,, you are not an injection bodybuild,, you are a tablet fella,, you are not swimming in orals every day of every week of every year,, you do your thing when needed,, trsut me on that....orlando americana you woudnt be able to get in to gymnasium for so long over there naturaly ,, you get discouraged very fast ,, it is bodybuidl capital of americana ,, its just too high competition ,, true naturals there walk 170-180 8-10% 5'10-5'11 ...rest are hormonized
and again even the true naturals lol are sadly on halodrol you can buy on amazon lol and on balonie they tried from doc they know that gave them some pills because they became bud budd with him in gymnasium ,, im telling you how it is and what i say is not up for argue ....i made fortune on so call naturals lol
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What is this halodrol u speak of on amazon is it like a dbol nock off
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What is this halodrol u speak of on amazon is it like a dbol nock off
Was a pro-hormone/steroid by Gaspari Nutrition (never tried it, but I wish I did) apparently the original one was VERY potent... They eventually got busted and had to change the formula, you can still find it on amazon and even in stores, but most likely its not the original one, when they changed it and re-released it, it didn't work anymore!
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Why backwards? Look at my name ;D (or maybe I just copy/pasted)
46. Natural Bodybuilding
45. Act naturally
44. Found missing
43. Resident alien
42. Advanced BASIC
41. Genuine imitation
40. Airline Food
39. Good grief
38. Same difference
37. Almost exactly
36. Government organization
35. Sanitary landfill
34. Alone together
33. Legally drunk
32. Silent scream
31. Living dead
30. Small crowd
29. Business ethics
28. Soft rock
27. Butt Head
26. Military Intelligence
25. Software documentation
24. New classic
23. Sweet sorrow
22. Childproof
21. “Now, then …”
20. Synthetic natural gas
19. Passive aggression
18. Taped live
17. Clearly misunderstood
16. Peace force
15. Extinct Life
14. Temporary tax increase
13. Computer jock
12. Plastic glasses
11. Terribly pleased
10. Computer security
9. Political science
8. Tight slacks
7. Definite maybe
6. Pretty ugly
5. Twelve-ounce pound cake
4. Diet ice cream
3. Working vacation
2. Exact estimate
1. Microsoft Works
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BigHer i actually believe I've taken more stuff than those guys, since I took m1t and they haven't.
I know all three of them very well, we've chilled many times and trained together! They are all natural! And all much more disciplined than me!
If it makes you feel better to say that they are juicing, do what you gotta do! But you'll be lying to yourself!
LMFAO!!!!
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natural my stinking hairy arab ass! those guys aren't even close. fucking bullshit.
a7mad... you're natural... well... clean... since M1t was the strongest shit i've ever done and i've only taken 20 mg for 4 weeks (i've been up to 2 grams of test and 100 mg dbol a day... not even close to what M1t was doing to me at 20 mg)... people here don't realize that when you've dieted down, you look as skinny as hell, your neck looks like you were a POW for 10 years... the only thing going for you is a disproportionally big bicep, good muscle insertion points, and thin skin (typical of egyptians)...
saw a pic of you after your contest wearing a t-shirt and eating pizza i think.... you looked like a marathon runner. don't see the big fuss on you... i'm impressed with your shape and how you get lean, but impressed in a sense of "if he went on the juice, he'd be something else!... too bad the guy is a dumbass (no offence, but i truly think that)" ... if you ever heard of a guy saving up $500K during 30 years, being cheap on everything and everyone he knows and not buying shit, suffering... because he wanted to buy a house... now, he bought the house... the house is apiece of shit but cost him 500K and he got robbed... what would you think of him??? "he has his own point of view?" fuck no, he's an idiot.... now the dude that buys shit he wants whenever he wants, saves up enough to pay for a 20 year 200K mortgage on a great house, and gets to enjoy life.... he didn't work harder, he was smarter and got better results and enjoyed life more... get the analogy?
now, all the pics in the previous posts of naturals??? LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL .... natural means 5'10 165 lbs looking great, sliced, shredded, but he has 14 inch arms... might look like 18 inch due to shape... and so on.... those guys are the exact opposite... their genetics are so shitty, that 18 inch arms look 14 inches, shitty insertion points, and are something like 5'9 187-198 lbs or more! give me a fucking break!!!!
these guys aren't genetically superior, and hard working with years of experience... it's the exact opposite!!!! they are genetically fucked in their response to gear and response to training and diet, they have to use steroids to compensate and just to look normal, then overload to look a bit better than naturals and call them selves "gifted" or hard working... LOOOOOOL... how do i know? seen it many times where i'm from... when gear is legal, and people have shitty genetics, they start coming to the guy who is open about his use and kinda understand how the shit works... you won't beleive what these idiots are doing.... and then they go and run their mouths in front of the big boys and say "well i'm natural and you just shove all those hormones up your ass, loser! atleast i work hard!" LOOOOOOL
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But it has been my experience and observation that a gifted guy who works hard can exceeed a lot of your so called natty lmits.
As I have and I'm not the most genetically gifted. I'm just persistent.
He needs to stick to giving the junkies advice.
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Buselmo bringing fifty types of awesome to this thread lol
Couldnt agree more bro.
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again ,, im never wrong,, if i thoguht you were true natural i would point it and say it,, you are not ,, end of case,, you are not an injection bodybuild,, you are a tablet fella,, you are not swimming in orals every day of every week of every year,, you do your thing when needed,, trsut me on that....orlando americana you woudnt be able to get in to gymnasium for so long over there naturaly ,, you get discouraged very fast ,, it is bodybuidl capital of americana ,, its just too high competition ,, true naturals there walk 170-180 8-10% 5'10-5'11 ...rest are hormonized
and again even the true naturals lol are sadly on halodrol you can buy on amazon lol and on balonie they tried from doc they know that gave them some pills because they became bud budd with him in gymnasium ,, im telling you how it is and what i say is not up for argue ....i made fortune on so call naturals lol
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You fucking twat.....you probably wouldn't be 160lbs soaking wet if you weren't taking anything. You know jack shit about training without drugs....you may know hormones...but thats it. You have no fucking clue whatsoever IF someone takes, WHAT they take, and HOW often.
Tell everyone how much G4P you have done. Let everyone see that their "god" is just another low life drug abuser. How long does it take to cry yourself to sleep at night knowing that what lies in the syringe and tablets is the only thing you live for.
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natural my stinking hairy arab ass! those guys aren't even close. fucking bullshit.
a7mad... you're natural... well... clean... since M1t was the strongest shit i've ever done and i've only taken 20 mg for 4 weeks (i've been up to 2 grams of test and 100 mg dbol a day... not even close to what M1t was doing to me at 20 mg)... people here don't realize that when you've dieted down, you look as skinny as hell, your neck looks like you were a POW for 10 years... the only thing going for you is a disproportionally big bicep, good muscle insertion points, and thin skin (typical of egyptians)...
saw a pic of you after your contest wearing a t-shirt and eating pizza i think.... you looked like a marathon runner. don't see the big fuss on you... i'm impressed with your shape and how you get lean, but impressed in a sense of "if he went on the juice, he'd be something else!... too bad the guy is a dumbass (no offence, but i truly think that)" ... if you ever heard of a guy saving up $500K during 30 years, being cheap on everything and everyone he knows and not buying shit, suffering... because he wanted to buy a house... now, he bought the house... the house is apiece of shit but cost him 500K and he got robbed... what would you think of him??? "he has his own point of view?" fuck no, he's an idiot.... now the dude that buys shit he wants whenever he wants, saves up enough to pay for a 20 year 200K mortgage on a great house, and gets to enjoy life.... he didn't work harder, he was smarter and got better results and enjoyed life more... get the analogy?
now, all the pics in the previous posts of naturals??? LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL .... natural means 5'10 165 lbs looking great, sliced, shredded, but he has 14 inch arms... might look like 18 inch due to shape... and so on.... those guys are the exact opposite... their genetics are so shitty, that 18 inch arms look 14 inches, shitty insertion points, and are something like 5'9 187-198 lbs or more! give me a fucking break!!!!
these guys aren't genetically superior, and hard working with years of experience... it's the exact opposite!!!! they are genetically fucked in their response to gear and response to training and diet, they have to use steroids to compensate and just to look normal, then overload to look a bit better than naturals and call them selves "gifted" or hard working... LOOOOOOL... how do i know? seen it many times where i'm from... when gear is legal, and people have shitty genetics, they start coming to the guy who is open about his use and kinda understand how the shit works... you won't beleive what these idiots are doing.... and then they go and run their mouths in front of the big boys and say "well i'm natural and you just shove all those hormones up your ass, loser! atleast i work hard!" LOOOOOOL
Look - I'm telling you what I believe... call me Naive or whatever you want... but I do believe they are natural. I obviously can't say that I know for SURE that they (or anyone else) are 100% drug free, because I don't live with them and see their lives 24/7, but I DO believe them.
Just because someone has achieved something that you have been unable to, doesn't mean its not possible!
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You fucking twat.....you probably wouldn't be 160lbs soaking wet if you weren't taking anything. You know jack shit about training without drugs....you may know hormones...but thats it. You have no fucking clue whatsoever IF someone takes, WHAT they take, and HOW often.
Tell everyone how much G4P you have done. Let everyone see that their "god" is just another low life drug abuser. How long does it take to cry yourself to sleep at night knowing that what lies in the syringe and tablets is the only thing you live for.
Hey dont you know you're talking to "GOD"?! ::) ::) I get a kick out of hearing the cycles the pro's take on there way to early graves but the GH15 ball gargling is reaching epic proportions around here. I like your style Krank (no homo)
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Hey dont you know you're talking to "GOD"?! ::) ::) I get a kick out of hearing the cycles the pro's take on there way to early graves but the GH15 ball gargling is reaching epic proportions around here. I like your style Krank (no homo)
You two lovebirds should get a room.
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You two lovebirds should get a room.
I think GH is pretty funny and def respect what he's doing. It's the newbs coming on here and blowing him that annoys me. Clogging up the board with "whats my bf%" threads
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Look - I'm telling you what I believe... call me Naive or whatever you want... but I do believe they are natural. I obviously can't say that I know for SURE that they (or anyone else) are 100% drug free, because I don't live with them and see their lives 24/7, but I DO believe them.
Just because someone has achieved something that you have been unable to, doesn't mean its not possible!
All drugs
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I freely admit I used to be delusional about "natural" training when I was younger too. GH15 could have saved me a shit load of money on garbage supplements. But I did pay my dues in the gym and to my benefit I dont need to be geared up to tear up the gym. When I have to read a PM from some 18yr old clown getting on his first cycle and he starts his question with "God of hormones what do you think blah blah blah..." it makes me sick. Juice at 18? If you need gear at 18 just quit before you start
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There's a ton of good pro steroids still on the market Big Ache Iron mag labs has a bunch of really good ones. Some are more powerful than dbol.
Checking out the site. but you know how many times I've heard that "this prohormone is better than dbol!"
The only reason I started taking m1t was because I was seeing drug users talking about how effective it is!
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Here is my question: since these natural guys have such dominant genetics... OBVIOUSLY... why not jump on the hormones??
Seems to me with genetics like that, you'd probably be on the O stage in under 3 years no problem... Could probably be one of the few guys in the world to actually make a living from bodybuilding alone. As opposed to competing in these natural divisions where you'll never get the recognition your phenomenal genetics and physiques deserve.
Wow, I think I'm going to stop juicing. I feel like a dick now. Really. I feel like if I advance in bodybuilding that I'd just be stealing from these great naturals who really have the top genetics and deserve more recognition... damn... ;D ;D ::) ::)
Fucking post of the year!! With the passion these guys obviously have for bb, they wouldnt take their tier 1 genetics to the next level with gear? Gimme a break. Their genetics and response to gear sucks and thats why they are lying their asses off winning natty shows. I def think my genetics are above avg and after 6yrs lifting natural, the next step was obvious
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As I have and I'm not the most genetically gifted. I'm just persistent.
He needs to stick to giving the junkies advice.
are you big and lean or big and fat ? theres a huge diference here
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are you big and lean or big and fat ? theres a huge diference here
Y's got a top notch physique on him.
dj approved
BTW, this fella here in this pic has been giving me nightmares recently lol
His stats here are 181cm @ 84kg, so there is a slim chance that maybe, just maybe he is a lifetime natty, and IMO he's got the perfect physique on him
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There's a ton of good pro steroids still on the market Big Ache Iron mag labs has a bunch of really good ones. Some are more powerful than dbol.
He knows this Mak. Lolz at there only ever being one decent prohormone according to Ach.
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Is this dude Natural - I say not - definite diuretic use
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Is this dude Natural - I say not - definite diuretic use
Tren condition all the way
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Y's got a top notch physique on him.
dj approved
BTW, this fella here in this pic has been giving me nightmares recently lol
His stats here are 181cm @ 84kg, so there is a slim chance that maybe, just maybe he is a lifetime natty, and IMO he's got the perfect physique on him
Dude his weight is meaningless, the weights/height ratios gh15 gives us are for the genetic elite nattys - that guy right there is enhanced , an AAS muscle has a look to it and this guy screams I jab my ass with lots of pricks (and needles) ;D
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=399199.0;attach=437187;image)
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Dude his weight is meaningless, the weights/height ratios gh15 gives us are for the genetic elite nattys - that guy right there is enhanced , an AAS muscle has a look to it and this guy screams I jab my ass with lots of pricks (and needles) ;D
Adonis said he was natural though
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Dude his weight is meaningless, the weights/height ratios gh15 gives us are for the genetic elite nattys - that guy right there is enhanced , an AAS muscle has a look to it and this guy screams I jab my ass with lots of pricks (and needles) ;D
He wouldn't lie bro he's Canadian.
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Adonis said he was natural though
Thats why he used to discuss his doses and cycles at length on elite till he was banned :D the guy is full of shit and a troll to the extreme.
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He wouldn't lie bro he's Canadian.
:D ;D
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Y's got a top notch physique on him.
dj approved
BTW, this fella here in this pic has been giving me nightmares recently lol
His stats here are 181cm @ 84kg, so there is a slim chance that maybe, just maybe he is a lifetime natty, and IMO he's got the perfect physique on him
LMFAO!!!!!
Do yourself a favor and do just ONE cycle of test and Dbol, and you KNOW he is not natural, not for years and years of steroid use.
That thickness, you will never get without drugs.
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Is this dude Natural - I say not - definite diuretic use
He's not, and that's not a fucking joke, he's from Romania and his dad has put him on steroids to make money with him.
Sick fucking shit.
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DK
Do you think Suzuki(Actual mr.Japan) is a natural bber?
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LMFAO!!!!!
Do yourself a favor and do just ONE cycle of test and Dbol, and you KNOW he is not natural, not for years and years of steroid use.
That thickness, you will never get without drugs.
Ok, you're probably right, coz this fella here in this youtube clip is very similar to the first fella, and it's obvious to me that this dude is chemically enhanced. So maybe now I'll be able to sleep better lol
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LMFAO!!!!!
Do yourself a favor and do just ONE cycle of test and Dbol, and you KNOW he is not natural, not for years and years of steroid use.
That thickness, you will never get without drugs.
Recently I saw the pic of Mr.Japan Suzuki. I would not be surprised if he says he is natural.
Because even the mediocre like me is thicker than this guy. Suzuki is way thicker.
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Ok, you're probably right, coz this fella here in this youtube clip is very similar to the first fella, and it's obvious to me that this dude is chemically enhanced. So maybe now I'll be able to sleep better lol
Its not obvious at all, he just has good shape. Lets not get ahead of ourselves here.
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A lot of insecure guys on this thread, freaking out about who is natural and who is not.
Whatever dudes!
GET BIG LAW: If he looks better than you, then he must be on drugs!
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There's a ton of good pro steroids still on the market Big Ache Iron mag labs has a bunch of really good ones. Some are more powerful than dbol.
they are not pro steroid,,they are steroid pure and simple,, fda doestn look into it same as they dont look into the supplmenet powder and rest of the balonie creatine and glutaminos,,fda doesnt have enough people to stop this this is the problem,, there are still steroids on the market available for everyone via over the counter,, real steroids same as dianabola
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whats that you fuckin retards eh? WHAT IS THST??
what do you think you are talking to some 2 year old infants? weho are you trying to lie to? what does it give you? dont you get that internet let you use steroids ALL OF YOU MAINLLLLY THE NATURAL WHO USE THE STRONGEST PRODUCTS!,, you think if you order descrete and usps get it to your door in a nice wrapping paper looking liek roses do you think you fool anyone?
you got here vetern of the cult will grant with many years of experience answer you and answer honestly and you keep on with the maybes whatever other excuse you can make to lieing scambags who lie about natural status
what is this?? look here WHAT IS THIS?
http://www.nextag.com/Cel-H-Drol/stores-html?nxtg=59fd0a280504-5F158D50CA9C4327
gh15 approved
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WHAT IS THST? HUH?? what is this???
http://www.nutritionarsenal.com/Competitive-Edge-Labs-H-Drol-60-capsules-P115.aspx
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what is this?
http://www.kigtropin.us/
this is not a site to buy from but this is give you the idea of what is sold for alllll naturals via fellas who buy it in bulk on the right! websites sinxce they got the right connection to legit websites
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so many internet pages,, so many ,, so dman any i just clicked on first 3 i saw,,you got so many hormones sold on internet you can get anything over the counter with little variation of the name,,you can get anything you want from hgh to aas to insulina to any ANY fat burner you want from clenbuterol to walmart ephedrine bronkaid,, to anti estrogens for research to anything ,, you can get damn pellets to make your own trenbolona ,, all natural do this ,, ALL NTURAL DO THIS in some way or another,,
the sad thing is this! the fake naturals who say they are naturals...sadly first drug they jump on inorder to maintain the natural ststus lol is TRENBOLONA,,why? because it is the easiest drug to get!,, so the fake naturals usualy use the STRONGEST DRUGS!
its their fucked up respond to hormones who make them losers!
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so many internet pages,, so many ,, so dman any i just clicked on first 3 i saw,,you got so many hormones sold on internet you can get anything over the counter with little variation of the name,,you can get anything you want from hgh to aas to insulina to any ANY fat burner you want from clenbuterol to walmart ephedrine bronkaid,, to anti estrogens for research to anything ,, you can get damn pellets to make your own trenbolona ,, all natural do this ,, ALL NTURAL DO THIS in some way or another,,
the sad thing is this! the fake naturals who say they are naturals...sadly first drug they jump on inorder to maintain the natural ststus lol is TRENBOLONA,,why? because it is the easiest drug to get!,, so the fake naturals usualy use the STRONGEST DRUGS!
its their fucked up respond to hormones who make them losers!
gh15 approved
lmao
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Ok gh15, all those links you just posted are no name brands, with no legitimate reviews, no legitimate backings, for all you know these could just be sugar pills! come on man post something legal and legit and I may be inclined to give it a shot.... Would probably get me banned from natural organizations for a few years or for life but I'm not opposed to being a legal Guinea pig!
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Ok gh15, all those links you just posted are no name brands, with no legitimate reviews, no legitimate backings, for all you know these could just be sugar pills! come on man post something legal and legit and I may be inclined to give it a shot.... Would probably get me banned from natural organizations for a few years or for life but I'm not opposed to being a legal Guinea pig!
Super DMZ by Ironmaglabs is all you need. 4 pills a day, you will be rockin and rolling.
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Super DMZ by Ironmaglabs is all you need. 4 pills a day, you will be rockin and rolling.
are you speaking from experience??
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are you speaking from experience??
Won't go there. The product is VERY strong. Stronger than anadrol, if that means anything to you. Sounds like you don't want to mess around with iffy products and DMZ is the least "iffy" product there is. Read around, blogs and what not will tell the story if you like. I have nothing to gain here, use at your discretion.
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are you big and lean or big and fat ? theres a huge diference here
<--- click the globe
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whats that you fuckin retards eh? WHAT IS THST??
what do you think you are talking to some 2 year old infants? weho are you trying to lie to? what does it give you? dont you get that internet let you use steroids ALL OF YOU MAINLLLLY THE NATURAL WHO USE THE STRONGEST PRODUCTS!,, you think if you order descrete and usps get it to your door in a nice wrapping paper looking liek roses do you think you fool anyone?
you got here vetern of the cult will grant with many years of experience answer you and answer honestly and you keep on with the maybes whatever other excuse you can make to lieing scambags who lie about natural status
what is this?? look here WHAT IS THIS?
http://www.nextag.com/Cel-H-Drol/stores-html?nxtg=59fd0a280504-5F158D50CA9C4327
gh15 approved
Reason they still front is because you're so susceptible to it. You give big ach credit for only doing pro hormones... this guy has been posting and showing his physique off for years, you think a guy who has a website is not gonna move on from m1t for so long? You think he isn't going to change his products from ripped prep stage to fat bloofy stage?
You like these guys, you're easily fooled by them really, flint fooled you, the guy who wants to learn to cut even though he is a dry 6-8 % but keeps asking you how to go down from 10%, lol, look at that guy's arms. Look at how short they are. He has girl genetics for arms, female t-rex genetics really, and he is always ripped and dry and never flat, yet you give him credit for natural status, that;s why they bullshit.
Big ach is a politician at heart, he likes people to think he likes them because then he has many friends and social status, he understands lying is key to success, and he is a narcissist to such a degree that he reveals his identity and even his family, so he has to say he took a drug that was legal, ok? He cornered himself into that lie, the guy is way past prohormones. I still like him because well he's good at being likable, but remember that you were a much bigger liar when you were their age and much more narcissistic, so in reality you should understand very well their lying tendencies
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Reason they still front is because you're so susceptible to it. You give big ach credit for only doing pro hormones... this guy has been posting and showing his physique off for years, you think a guy who has a website is not gonna move on from m1t for so long? You think he isn't going to change his products from ripped prep stage to fat bloofy stage?
You like these guys, you're easily fooled by them really, flint fooled you, the guy who wants to learn to cut even though he is a dry 6-8 % but keeps asking you how to go down from 10%, lol, look at that guy's arms. Look at how short they are. He has girl genetics for arms, female t-rex genetics really, and he is always ripped and dry and never flat, yet you give him credit for natural status, that;s why they bullshit.
Big ach is a politician at heart, he likes people to think he likes them because then he has many friends and social status, he understands lying is key to success, and he is a narcissist to such a degree that he reveals his identity and even his family, so he has to say he took a drug that was legal, ok? He cornered himself into that lie, the guy is way past prohormones. I still like him because well he's good at being likable, but remember that you were a much bigger liar when you were their age and much more narcissistic, so in reality you should understand very well their lying tendencies
Never knew GetBig was filled with so many expert psychologists! I commend you for my assessment, learned so much about myself on your post, so thanks for that!
Sounds like I'm a real master manipulator, I should partner up with Sev, maybe we can put our mental powers together and truly master the power of the human mind!!!....... And take over the world!! ::)
Ok, let me tell you something about myself, how I am on GetBig is EXACTLY how I am in real life, not trying to get everyone to like me and trying to manipulate anyone. This is me buddy! Ask anyone on any forum
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My man, you have a brain so you can manipulate your environment, everyone likes to be liked and I try to do the same thing most of the time, it is the psychology of social animals not just you
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Recently I saw the pic of Mr.Japan Suzuki. I would not be surprised if he says he is natural.
Because even the mediocre like me is thicker than this guy. Suzuki is way thicker.
this guy?
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-BTC7ASA5W-k/TVjcWUrr4eI/AAAAAAAAGaU/2zpo4hygPu4/s400/japanese.jpg)
natural??
::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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DK
Do you think Suzuki(Actual mr.Japan) is a natural bber?
LOL!!
No, he is full of stuff, especially he has that insulin look, sometimes you see him in the gym when he is a trainer, he looks like nothing, but when he trains, BOOOM!! he blows up.
He injects double or triple of what the other do, i am sure of that.
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Speak on this.
:D :D :D
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this is the type of fellas that will LOOK natural ,, yes they pass for natural ,, the reality is that they like anavar and other orals such as winstrol and turinabol..etc,, but! their consistancy with hormones is not there,,
very much oral look but! again this fella also is the type of fella that wil use creatine and glutamine and will have his meals arranged...he really try to be natural but the reality of the matter is that the final tune up is done by some kind or oral and fat burner ,,
i would pass it as a natural in todays world eventhough it is clean when its in natural state lol
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this is the type of fellas that will LOOK natural ,, yes they pass for natural ,, the reality is that they like anavar and other orals such as winstrol and turinabol..etc,, but! their consistancy with hormones is not there,,
very much oral look but! again this fella also is the type of fella that wil use creatine and glutamine and will have his meals arranged...he really try to be natural but the reality of the matter is that the final tune up is done by some kind or oral and fat burner ,,
i would pass it as a natural in todays world eventhough it is clean when its in natural state lol
gh15 approved
GH15, even with consistent diet and training and good genetics, its impossible to look like this naturally?
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GH15, even with consistent diet and training and good genetics, its impossible to look like this naturally?
no he has a pretty piss poor physique. shit legs.
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no he has a pretty piss poor physique. shit legs.
Are you doubting GH15? :o :o :o
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GH15, even with consistent diet and training and good genetics, its impossible to look like this naturally?
yes, sad thing, it's not hardly impressive lol
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yes, sad thing, it's not hardly impressive lol
but gh15 says he is on drugs :-\ :-\
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this can be achieved natural ,, but....as i said before...halodrom h drol all those things were taken by this fella,, those are steroids,, thsoe fellas are not consistant enouhg ,,
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Are you doubting GH15? :o :o :o
Nope I am always with gh15. His physique is obtainable without drugs but you have to be consistent with your training and diet. I doubt this guy is he probably slacks off and eats like shit often. I have seen better looking naturals than this clown.
his physique is shit as I said. no legs, average upper body.
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Nope I am always with gh15. His physique is obtainable without drugs but you have to be consistent with your training and diet. I doubt this guy is he probably slacks off and eats like shit often. I have seen better looking naturals than this clown.
his physique is shit as I said. no legs, average upper body.
the guy puts up an exercise related video every single day. how are you going to say he's inconsistent with his training?
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Nope I am always with gh15. His physique is obtainable without drugs but you have to be consistent with your training and diet. I doubt this guy is he probably slacks off and eats like shit often. I have seen better looking naturals than this clown.
his physique is shit as I said. no legs, average upper body.
Did you learn anything from his text book form? :D :D
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the guy puts up an exercise related video every single day. how are you going to say he's inconsistent with his training?
I don't watch his videos. I don't know how hard he trains, what he does, or how long he has been training.
His physique is shit. my point stands.
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his size is not impressive and can achieve natural.
so gh15 why do you think he uses some orals? Muscle shape/roundness?
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weight ? height?
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weight ? height?
elaborate?
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his damn weight andf height ? what are they
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Shut your fucking mouth, adrain!
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LOL!!
No, he is full of stuff, especially he has that insulin look, sometimes you see him in the gym when he is a trainer, he looks like nothing, but when he trains, BOOOM!! he blows up.
He injects double or triple of what the other do, i am sure of that.
Actualy, insulin looks shows opposite. They always look full even when they are sleeping.
I dont have any intention of defending Suzuki though..
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Actualy, insulin looks shows opposite. They always look full even when they are sleeping.
I dont have any intention of defending Suzuki though..
He looks different in the gym though than on stage, in the gym he blows up while training.
That's why i think it's insulin, because when he doesn't train he looks rather small. But i may be mistaken, anyways, he is not natural.
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his damn weight andf height ? what are they
What's your cycle?
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this can be achieved natural ,, but....as i said before...halodrom h drol all those things were taken by this fella,, those are steroids,, thsoe fellas are not consistant enouhg ,,
gh15 approved
Blah Blah Blah douche. You know jack shit. Everyone that lifts is taking something....what a fucking twat you are. No wonder your mom likes it in the ass....she doesn't want another failed attempt like you
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Speak on this.
:D :D :D
Jesus fucking christ, so this dude is on gear to get this build?
This is getting stupid now. That is an average natty build, no drugs at all lol
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Ok gh15, all those links you just posted are no name brands, with no legitimate reviews, no legitimate backings, for all you know these could just be sugar pills! come on man post something legal and legit and I may be inclined to give it a shot.... Would probably get me banned from natural organizations for a few years or for life but I'm not opposed to being a legal Guinea pig!
All those companies are run by the same half dozen guys. They open up shell companies and distribute the steroids they source from China under a different company, then they shut it down and sell it under another shell company. Same half dozen guys that have been doing it for half a decade. There are a bunch of others getting their slice of the pie too. Between all these people, lets just say it's easy as fuck to get oral steroids anywhere in the world.
After Anabolic Xtreme and the first few companies like Gaspari stopped selling these, guys have been sourcing steroids from China like there's no tomorrow. There have been a few lulls and FDA scares, but for the most part it's business as usual. And almost none of these are pro hormones, they're straight up steroids. SOME of them are legit pro hormones, but even so, that shit isn't natural. They're usually proprietary blends of potent steroids with cheap pro hormones mixed in. Whatever will turn a profit for these guys.
And just so you know, m1t is the most POTENT steroid ever. I've seen guys put on a lean 20lbs of mass in a month. Even with injectables, you'll never see anything as crazy as this. Yes, they were all guys under 200lbs but even serious bodybuilders I know have put on insane mass with m1t. If it weren't so toxic, I'd probably run a bit myself. My body doesn't like orals, but I've used m1t and have seen what it can do first hand. No one who uses something as strong as m1t can claim natural. "Clean", but that's a stupid term. That's like an alcohol who's currently sober... just splitting hairs.
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All those companies are run by the same half dozen guys. They open up shell companies and distribute the steroids they source from China under a different company, then they shut it down and sell it under another shell company. Same half dozen guys that have been doing it for half a decade. There are a bunch of others getting their slice of the pie too. Between all these people, lets just say it's easy as fuck to get oral steroids anywhere in the world.
After Anabolic Xtreme and the first few companies like Gaspari stopped selling these, guys have been sourcing steroids from China like there's no tomorrow. There have been a few lulls and FDA scares, but for the most part it's business as usual. And almost none of these are pro hormones, they're straight up steroids. SOME of them are legit pro hormones, but even so, that shit isn't natural. They're usually proprietary blends of potent steroids with cheap pro hormones mixed in. Whatever will turn a profit for these guys.
And just so you know, m1t is the most POTENT steroid ever. I've seen guys put on a lean 20lbs of mass in a month. Even with injectables, you'll never see anything as crazy as this. Yes, they were all guys under 200lbs but even serious bodybuilders I know have put on insane mass with m1t. If it weren't so toxic, I'd probably run a bit myself. My body doesn't like orals, but I've used m1t and have seen what it can do first hand. No one who uses something as strong as m1t can claim natural. "Clean", but that's a stupid term. That's like an alcohol who's currently sober... just splitting hairs.
You bring up very good points my man. What your saying makes it all very sketchy. Back when M1T was legal. It was being sold by legitimate companies, that were a known brand, and that had a reputation. Even the original Halodrol was sold by one of the biggest supplement companies in existence today (Gaspari). In a way, you knew what you were getting.
These companies listed though, who knows what, where, who they are?
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Blah Blah Blah douche. You know jack shit. Everyone that lifts is taking something....what a fucking twat you are. No wonder your mom likes it in the ass....she doesn't want another failed attempt like you
there is no naturla bodybuild,, there never was and there never will be,, you are hormonized too,,but what you are is filth liar!,, that is worst,, to sit on bodybuildl board day in and day out and lie ,, cant get worse than that and you do it....so yo ucan say douch and you cay whore and you can say anal sex ...reality of the matter is that in a prison of your choice youd be all 3...FELLAS DO NOT LIKE LIARS IN THE REAL WORLD
retard
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You bring up very good points my man. What your saying makes it all very sketchy. Back when M1T was legal. It was being sold by legitimate companies, that were a known brand, and that had a reputation. Even the original Halodrol was sold by one of the biggest supplement companies in existence today (Gaspari). In a way, you knew what you were getting.
These companies listed though, who knows what, where, who they are?
First part is true, but although these companies are sketchy they are definitely sourcing real steroid powders. They're cheap as hell. You can get kilograms for pennies.
As long as it will make the end user get BIG, they will put it in a capsule and sell it.
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there is no naturla bodybuild,, there never was and there never will be,, you are hormonized too,,but what you are is filth liar!,, that is worst,, to sit on bodybuildl board day in and day out and lie ,, cant get worse than that and you do it....so yo ucan say douch and you cay whore and you can say anal sex ...reality of the matter is that in a prison of your choice youd be all 3...FELLAS DO NOT LIKE LIARS IN THE REAL WORLD
retard
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Yes, I am hormonized....wasn't like that when I was competing, nor was I for about 2+ after I was done with it. I take 100mg of test a week...be more than happy to AGAIN show you the bottle. I sit at 5'9 and 205 (208 on a good day).....yeah, I am on massive amounts of shit ::). You can bet your 2" cock on that. The only liar here is you fuck nuts. Amazing how you claim I "sit on bodybuildl board day in and day out and lie" is amazing....your post count compared to mine. HA HA. I should post the PM you sent me earlier this week.
Oh, and why would I be in prison? I am not the one selling shit to people like you do....keep your mouth shut before I slap the taste out of your mouth, bitch
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Yes, I am hormonized....wasn't like that when I was competing, nor was I for about 2+ after I was done with it. I take 100mg of test a week...be more than happy to AGAIN show you the bottle. I sit at 5'9 and 205 (208 on a good day).....yeah, I am on massive amounts of shit ::). You can bet your 2" cock on that. The only liar here is you fuck nuts. Amazing how you claim I "sit on bodybuildl board day in and day out and lie" is amazing....your post count compared to mine. HA HA. I should post the PM you sent me earlier this week.
Oh, and why would I be in prison? I am not the one selling shit to people like you do....keep your mouth shut before I slap the taste out of your mouth, bitch
lol even with simple things you lie,, i neevr send pms EVER,, the only one i send pm is gear101 ,,he is elf ,, and i also sent pm to 240 back in 2006 i think ,, those were my only pms ever sent from gh15
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lol even with simple things you lie,, i neevr send pms EVER,, the only one i send pm is gear101 ,,he is elf ,, and i also sent pm to 240 back in 2006 i think ,, those were my only pms ever sent from gh15
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Maybe I should post it.....you sent it. Just like Vince's PM's to you....Oh, and by the way...when you say "neevr, EVER".....that means just that...no exceptions. HA HA....what a shit stain you are.
You should stick to worrying when your schmoe will be coming over to provide you with drugs in exchange for some cash. Right? Or am I lying that you do that?
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Maybe I should post it.....you sent it. Just like Vince's PM's to you....Oh, and by the way...when you say "neevr, EVER".....that means just that...no exceptions. HA HA....what a shit stain you are.
You should stick to worrying when your schmoe will be coming over to provide you with drugs in exchange for some cash. Right? Or am I lying that you do that?
you have weird infatuation with gay for pay,, not all bodybuild are doing this,, not even majority ,, some SOME do it ,, many bodybuild are very much hetrosexual ,,
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lol even with simple things you lie,, i neevr send pms EVER,, the only one i send pm is gear101 ,,he is elf ,, and i also sent pm to 240 back in 2006 i think ,, those were my only pms ever sent from gh15
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you sent me a p.m. ONE time.. it didnt make any sense to me at the time.. i had begged you to reply in p.m. to a question for a few weeks.. you responded with a few words, one syllable each.. i understand now what it meant.. but the point is you did p.m. me one time... and now i feel special ;D
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you sent me a p.m. ONE time.. it didnt make any sense to me at the time.. i had begged you to reply in p.m. to a question for a few weeks.. you responded with a few words, one syllable each.. i understand now what it meant.. but the point is you did p.m. me one time... and now i feel special ;D
yes it i think i did pm you one time back few years yes,,i do remember this nwo
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You bring up very good points my man. What your saying makes it all very sketchy. Back when M1T was legal. It was being sold by legitimate companies, that were a known brand, and that had a reputation. Even the original Halodrol was sold by one of the biggest supplement companies in existence today (Gaspari). In a way, you knew what you were getting.
These companies listed though, who knows what, where, who they are?
Bruce Kneller
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this can be achieved natural ,, but....as i said before...halodrom h drol all those things were taken by this fella,, those are steroids,, thsoe fellas are not consistant enouhg ,,
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When are you going to tell us what YOUR fucking cycle is, tardbucket. Why don't you tell us.
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When are you going to tell us what YOUR fucking cycle is, tardbucket. Why don't you tell us.
STFU, whitewidow.
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STFU, whitewidow.
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you have weird infatuation with gay for pay,, not all bodybuild are doing this,, not even majority ,, some SOME do it ,, many bodybuild are very much hetrosexual ,,
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SOME?? LOL LOL.....just like there are no natural bodybuild....there are no IFBB pro that do not dabble in G4P and/or drug dealing. As far as infatuation....why do you avoid answering if you do it. Simple....you do it (if youreally ARE IFBB pro bodybuild). I never said all bodybuild are gay....just that they do G4P to pay for drugs...you included. Just deny it like a good liar that u are.
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STFU, whitewidow.
Shut the fuck up you stupid donkey. Before I jam a loaded syringe through your pupils.
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Shut the fuck up you stupid donkey. Before I jam a loaded syringe through your pupils.
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Super DMZ by Ironmaglabs is all you need. 4 pills a day, you will be rockin and rolling.
this is wat ive herd does anyone know exactly what it is and if its legit
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this is wat ive herd does anyone know exactly what it is and if its legit
Solid stuff. It's Superdrol and Dymethazine in combination 10mg and 10mg. Nice stuff, got strong didn't feel nasty from it at 2 tabs a day.
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How do I know so much about this shit? I was really deep into the Golds Bodybuilding scene for many years. I hung out with Lee Priest. Lee ,myself, Paul Dillett and a few others used to party together. I competed in the SoCal Scene until the later half of the 90's. I always worked as a personal trainer in the venice, marina area and worked a night shift at UPS too. I still work for UPS. But when you hang in such a crew, you hear it all. Some BS and a whole lot of truth. I had close friends who moved out here that got involved heavily in G4P. A really close friend of mine that I grew up with back east ended up as a colt model after coming for a visit and then became a huge male escort. he got really fucked up, and eventually died from Steroid abuse. he was a great guy but he really went to the wrong side. 75% of the guys that came through Golds eventually went G4P. For one reason or another. They all say they wont but eventually do. They just get lazy and dont want to work. They dont even want to work as bouncers. They are really a lazy bunch.
So GHfucktard....are you saying the guys now dont do the G4P as much as guys in the past? Why dont you tell us a story or two of when you met Joe or Ben? Everyone knows that most, if not all, IFBB pro guys have that meeting. Come on, tell us about how he said he was going to bring you to America and make you a champion....LMAO
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Krankenstein, question in all seriousness... what is it you have against gh15??? I don't know who he is nor do I care. I also don't care if he fucked male donkeys lol, what does it matter??? His advice on how to get to the top of bodybuilding is gold. The ones who have actually executed his protocols and seen the results know this. However it seems like whenever he posts, you don't jump in and argue what he says like a lot of the people who don't agree with him do, you just attack him with some claims of g4p... sooooo I guess I'm just curious, but what gives???
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Krankenstein, question in all seriousness... what is it you have against gh15??? I don't know who he is nor do I care. I also don't care if he fucked male donkeys lol, what does it matter??? His advice on how to get to the top of bodybuilding is gold. The ones who have actually executed his protocols and seen the results know this. However it seems like whenever he posts, you don't jump in and argue what he says like a lot of the people who don't agree with him do, you just attack him with some claims of g4p... sooooo I guess I'm just curious, but what gives???
Krankenstein is an insecure homosexual fucktard, that's why he has something against gh15.
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Krankenstein, question in all seriousness... what is it you have against gh15??? I don't know who he is nor do I care. I also don't care if he fucked male donkeys lol, what does it matter??? His advice on how to get to the top of bodybuilding is gold. The ones who have actually executed his protocols and seen the results know this. However it seems like whenever he posts, you don't jump in and argue what he says like a lot of the people who don't agree with him do, you just attack him with some claims of g4p... sooooo I guess I'm just curious, but what gives???
he is into the gay for pay aspect,, to eaxch his own lol ,, he want to hear storys about gay for pay ,, he wont relax until then lol
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he is into the gay for pay aspect,, to eaxch his own lol ,, he want to hear storys about gay for pay ,, he wont relax until then lol
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No douche bag....you are an IFBB pro and therefore you are into G4P. Just like you say all naturals take drugs. You have your 'factual statement', I have mine. So, why not deny that you do? IFBB pro = drug dealer + G4Per simple equation + Liar
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and i don't mean natural as in only steroids without growth hormonas and philsulinas
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who is this
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who is this
someone on high dose tren
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someone on high dose tren
the trapozoidz look insanely high
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LOL, you're delusional.
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good genetics, hard work, lots of food. but haters gon' hate..
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(http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd472/EGUN17/jeffwillet.jpg)
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who is this
Swedish dude, his pic was posted on Martin Berkhan's blog. Berkhan helped him with contest prep.
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THE physique - looks great.
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Of course very gay of me to notice, but there's something weird with his groin area...
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good genetics, hard work, lots of food. but haters gon' hate..
drugs aside..you underestimate the importance of food, and overestimate the importance of training. More people have gotten huge training like idiots, taking lot of drugs, and eating like bodybuilders...then people who train like you suggest (smart), eat 3 meals a day, and take lots of drugs.
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Jesus fucking christ, so this dude is on gear to get this build?
This is getting stupid now. That is an average natty build, no drugs at all lol
pecs are not average natty build
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natural is maxed out at this
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this is not natural anymore, even with the best genetics ever
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this is not natural anymore, even with the best genetics ever
because of the pecs?
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because of the pecs?
because i know a old fart in my gym who knows him since early 60s telling me over and over that d-bol was introduced to him by the old marnul at approx 15 yrs old
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Lifetime natty?
Dude has the perfect physique IMO
Spider-man who? lol
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this is not natural anymore, even with the best genetics ever
no, now you're really pushing it, THESE pics of arnold can be achieved naturally are u fucking kidding me? just because maybe he isn't doesnt mean it cant be done. that is not a good example. actually arnold IS natural there... u think u need steroids to look like that? LOLLLLL
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hes not saying you can't achieve it naturally, he's saying he's not natural because for whatever reason it's common knowledge arnold was on dbols by 15... probably because he was a part of the state sponsored program who put everyone on drugs
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hes not saying you can't achieve it naturally, he's saying he's not natural because for whatever reason it's common knowledge arnold was on dbols by 15... probably because he was a part of the state sponsored program who put everyone on drugs
how's it common knowledge? has it been proven? has he admitted that? no its not, just because he was on as a teen doesnt mean you know what the fuck hes doing in those pics.. jesus now everyones a fucking expert. arnold was double that in thickness when he was really ON in his pics at like 17 18
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how's it common knowledge? has it been proven? has he admitted that? no its not, just because he was on as a teen doesnt mean you know what the fuck hes doing in those pics.. jesus now everyones a fucking expert. arnold was double that in thickness when he was really ON in his pics at like 17 18
Nah, bro. You're confused.
Sure, people CAN attain a certain physique without drugs. But you give people WAY too much credit and you're way too gullible.
You haven't sent any money to any Nigerian princes lately, have you? ;) ;D
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Nah, bro. You're confused.
Sure, people CAN attain a certain physique without drugs. But you give people WAY too much credit and you're way too gullible.
You haven't sent any money to any Nigerian princes lately, have you? ;) ;D
Ha, I ve never been beat or scammed in my life, and def not gullible i call out people here on a daily basis, if im going to have to agree with you, then arnold looks like shit in those pics
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Ha, I ve never been beat or scammed in my life, and def not gullible i call out people here on a daily basis, if im going to have to agree with you, then arnold looks like shit in those pics
Well, a lot of juicers have convinced you that they're natural without even having to lift a finger or say a word. Don't be fooled. Anyone who spends a serious amount of time in the gym will eventually see the light and start juicing. There's no such thing as natural bodybuilding. There's just "going to the gym and putting on a little muscle" if we're talking about naturals training in the gym.
You max out so quickly when you're natural and you make gains so slowly. I don't even like admitting this, but even a fucking douche bag can go on a shitty steroid cycle for a couple months and look better than most life time naturals. That alone discourages me from ever "going natural". You can get to a certain point and look pretty good amongst average Joes, but who wants to be the fella that blends into the crowd? Who wants to only look decent when a fake-natural looks a million times better?
I personally do not like drug abuse. I use gear and other PEDs, but I do it sparingly and safely. Even running just a bit over supraphysiological doses, gear will take you MUCH further than training naturally. The only people that train naturally and for life are delusional weirdos. If someone can compel themselves to train for years without pinning anything and looking like dog crap, they must have mental issues.
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Well, a lot of juicers have convinced you that they're natural without even having to lift a finger or say a word. Don't be fooled. Anyone who spends a serious amount of time in the gym will eventually see the light and start juicing. There's no such thing as natural bodybuilding. There's just "going to the gym and putting on a little muscle" if we're talking about naturals training in the gym.
You max out so quickly when you're natural and you make gains so slowly. I don't even like admitting this, but even a fucking douche bag can go on a shitty steroid cycle for a couple months and look better than most life time naturals. That alone discourages me from ever "going natural". You can get to a certain point and look pretty good amongst average Joes, but who wants to be the fella that blends into the crowd? Who wants to only look decent when a fake-natural looks a million times better?
I personally do not like drug abuse. I use gear and other PEDs, but I do it sparingly and safely. Even running just a bit over supraphysiological doses, gear will take you MUCH further than training naturally. The only people that train naturally and for life are delusional weirdos. If someone can compel themselves to train for years without pinning anything and looking like dog crap, they must have mental issues.
LOL i agree buddy, I'm an "elf" too my friend, I know the ropes a bit ;)
Don't really get fooled either, I just feel bad for guys who look like shit in the gym who use so i tell myself their natural as not to be too full of myself, LOL
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LOL i agree buddy, I'm an "elf" too my friend, I know the ropes a bit ;)
Don't really get fooled either, I just feel bad for guys who look like shit in the gym who use so i tell myself their natural as not to be too full of myself, LOL
Don't mind me. As you can see from my post history I'm going on an ephenrina induced posting spree tonight. ;D
I just hate, hate, FUCKING HATE, when people do actually believe these liars. I take it personally because it feels like they've suckered me again. I used to believe fuckers like this and it digs under my skin.
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Don't mind me. As you can see from my post history I'm going on an ephenrina induced posting spree tonight. ;D
I just hate, hate, FUCKING HATE, when people do actually believe these liars. I take it personally because it feels like they've suckered me again. I used to believe fuckers like this and it digs under my skin.
But how do you know they are not natural bro? Have you put in 10 years of constantly pushing yourself in the gym, watching your diet and never having a month of?
Huh punk? Have you? That's right cause you just dont have the mental fortitude to stick it out for that long and find out what the body is really capable of attaining naturally.
Just kidding ;D , fake-natties always use the same "Well have you..." defense. Yea bro, like Im really going to waste 10 years of my time.
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But how do you know they are not natural bro? Have you put in 10 years of constantly pushing yourself in the gym, watching your diet and never having a month of?
Huh punk? Have you? That's right cause you just dont have the mental fortitude to stick it out for that long and find out what the body is really capable of attaining naturally.
Just kidding ;D , fake-natties always use the same "Well have you..." defense. Yea bro, like Im really going to waste 10 years of my time.
Hahahaha, you fucker! Nearly got me. ;)
No kidding, man. True natties, fake natties, whatever. They can own me all they want. If it takes them two decades to do what I can in 5 years, I'll stick needles down my pee hole for fuck sakes. All the time they waste in the gym, and all the chicken and broccoli... Man, I'll let them win all the arguments they want. They won't see a fight from me because they've got enough issues! lol ;D
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But how do you know they are not natural bro? Have you put in 10 years of constantly pushing yourself in the gym, watching your diet and never having a month of?
Huh punk? Have you? That's right cause you just dont have the mental fortitude to stick it out for that long and find out what the body is really capable of attaining naturally.
Just kidding ;D , fake-natties always use the same "Well have you..." defense. Yea bro, like Im really going to waste 10 years of my time.
believe it or not most guys born before 1980 did put a substantial amount of time in completely natural, not gonna say how old i am but i was 27 before i did my first cycle after 10 years of training natural and it was only 3 amps of Sustenon a week and 25mg. of d bol a day and i gained more in 6 months than i had in 10 years of being natural.
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Lifetime natty?
Dude has the perfect physique IMO
Spider-man who? lol
Why the fuck are you still so delusional?
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(http://www.replaymma.com/wp-content/gallery/ring-girls/americana-shoulder-lock-03.jpg)
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believe it or not most guys born before 1980 did put a substantial amount of time in completely natural, not gonna say how old i am but i was 27 before i did my first cycle after 10 years of training natural and it was only 3 amps of Sustenon a week and 25mg. of d bol a day and i gained more in 6 months than i had in 10 years of being natural.
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theres your proof,,,
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Purple thong
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what's up with those weird faces
you're he's doing ???
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what's up with those weird faces you're he's doing ???
Total self love.
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I think they should have free mental health screenings for these guys
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what's up with those weird faces you're he's doing ???
He's mentally retarded. Don't make fun.
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I think they should have free mental health screenings for these guys
That would destroy bodybuilding.
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(http://www.replaymma.com/wp-content/gallery/ring-girls/americana-shoulder-lock-03.jpg)
typical americana whore can't even get americana right
generation nothingness
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lol this is not me, b-itchs
He's one of the bests upcoming bodybuilders of Brazil, witch is my country btw..
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lol this is not me, b-itchs
He's one of the bests upcoming bodybuilders of Brazil, witch is my country btw..
ok we believe you that you are not him ::) ::)
try to control your face when you pose next time it affects judging ;D
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I like Big Ach original idea for a natural bible. Maybe put it as a sticky under the natural bodybuilding section?
Also what about a bible for HRT/TRT? We don’t have that yet do we? Might be helpful since bodybuilders typically have more experience with hormones than do most doctors. ;)
Sorry didn't realize it at the time I posted the above. But someone had posted a link once... I think it was: http://gh15approved.blogspot.com/ (http://gh15approved.blogspot.com/) and I don't recall exactly where in the blog, but it did have a section outlining the natural lifter. It was spot on! So maybe that ends the idea of a natural bible being needed.
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Well, a lot of juicers have convinced you that they're natural without even having to lift a finger or say a word. Don't be fooled. Anyone who spends a serious amount of time in the gym will eventually see the light and start juicing. There's no such thing as natural bodybuilding. There's just "going to the gym and putting on a little muscle" if we're talking about naturals training in the gym.
You max out so quickly when you're natural and you make gains so slowly. I don't even like admitting this, but even a fucking douche bag can go on a shitty steroid cycle for a couple months and look better than most life time naturals. That alone discourages me from ever "going natural". You can get to a certain point and look pretty good amongst average Joes, but who wants to be the fella that blends into the crowd? Who wants to only look decent when a fake-natural looks a million times better?
I personally do not like drug abuse. I use gear and other PEDs, but I do it sparingly and safely. Even running just a bit over supraphysiological doses, gear will take you MUCH further than training naturally. The only people that train naturally and for life are delusional weirdos. If someone can compel themselves to train for years without pinning anything and looking like dog crap, they must have mental issues.
great post buddy
I think this way too