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(CNN) -- The United States will withdraw almost all its troops from Iraq by the end of the year, as a current agreement with Iraq dictates, a U.S. official told CNN Friday.
Only about 150 troops, a negligible force, will remain to assist in arms sales.
The United States had expected that some of the roughly 40,000 Americans in Iraq would remain there to aid in training and security.
But the two nations were unable to reach a deal on a key issue regarding legal immunity for U.S. troops, a senior U.S. military official with direct knowledge of the discussions told CNN this month.
The United States wanted to retain immunity but the Iraqis refused to agree to that, opening up the prospect of Americans being tried in Iraqi courts and subjected to Iraqi punishment.
The negotiations were strained following WikiLeaks' release of a diplomatic cable that alleged Iraqi civilians, including children, were killed in a 2006 raid by American troops rather than in an airstrike as initially reported by the U.S. military.
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Chris Matthews: "This is 'Mission Accomplished' without the banner"
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Chris Matthews: "This is 'Mission Accomplished' without the banner"
Please tell me you didn't just quote mush-mouth?
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i did ;D
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i did ;D
Brutal.... ;D
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Let's place a wager on how long before andre starts another obama ass kicking thread?
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Fuck 'em... Time to get the hell out.
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Iran most be loving this.
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Only about 150 troops, a negligible force, will remain to assist in arms sales
F&F part 2 ;)
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Iran most be loving this.
didn't bush deliver us taht SOFA and departure plans long before obama took the oath?
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didn't bush deliver us taht SOFA and departure plans long before obama took the oath?
So, scratch off another issue that the left is trying to credit Obama for, but was actually accomplished by someone else:
(1) Bin Laden; the military and torture take ALL the credit
(2) Ghadaffi brought down by Nato
Thanks, 120. Thanks for stating the truth for once.
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So, scratch off another issue that the left is trying to credit Obama for, but was actually accomplished by someone else:
(1) Bin Laden; the military and torture take ALL the credit
(2) Ghadaffi brought down by Nato
Thanks, 120. Thanks for stating the truth for once.
didn't you complain about obama sending us to war in lybia
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killing 3 big terrorists... getting the US out of Iraq.
If 911 happened on a dem's watch - then the repub won office anc cleaned shit up like this...
yall would be dancing in the streets talking about how only repubs can keep u safe ;)
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killing 3 big terrorists... getting the US out of Iraq.
If 911 happened on a dem's watch - then the repub won office anc cleaned shit up like this...
yall would be dancing in the streets talking about how only repubs can keep u safe ;)
Obama hasn't changed anything that was originally put in by Bush in order to keep the USA safe. So what did he do again, what legislation did he pass that has improved on anything that Bush did, from surveillance to intelligence gathering, that should garner him any attention?
Not only that. But, who cares? Who cares about Ghadaffi? How was he affecting the USA? Remember, these are the same questions that Democrats and Libs made when USA went into Iraq and got Hussein.
I thought Obama was going to get the USA out of all the conflicts in the world?
You also forgot another thing that Obama killed. The economy. That is his biggest victim.
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in that case - give him credit for keeping strong republican policies, and ignoring the voices of reid and pelosi and the other anti-war types.
it was easy for bush to say yes to military men. obama had to disagree with the own people - and he did it.
you make a great point, dario73. Obama had to overcome MORE to keep these strong military policies in place!
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Obama has done NOTHING of value since he took office. FACT.
He is BY FAR THE WORST PRESIDENT EVER. Only Carter MIGHT be worse. Both, are Democratic chumps.
No amount of dead terrorists will bring this economy back to life.
Interesting how Libs and Dems smeared Bush with the labels or warmonger and "blood for oil" tyrant, but are now praising Obama.
If Obama keeps it up, he will put Hitler to shame. Oops, did I just use another Liberal comparison.
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Obama has done NOTHING of value since he took office. FACT.
He is BY FAR THE WORST PRESIDENT EVER. Only Carter MIGHT be worse. Both, are Democratic chumps.
No amount of dead terrorists will bring this economy back to life.
Interesting how Libs and Dems smeared Bush with the labels or warmonger and "blood for oil" tyrant, but are now praising Obama.
If Obama keeps it up, he will put Hitler to shame. Oops, did I just use another Liberal comparison.
Who is praising him? He should have been out of Iraq 2.5 years ago and he should have NEVER done anything in Libya.
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Who is praising him? He should have been out of Iraq 2.5 years ago and he should have NEVER done anything in Libya.
Blacken, 240, andre, and vince.
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Obama has done NOTHING of value since he took office. FACT.
He carefully weighed the decision to send troops into pakistan, less than a mile from their version of west point, kill a few men on the ground then execute bin laden.
Then he made the decision.
You can say he fcked the economy, healthcare, and everything else. But be fair. He had to approve it, and he did.
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The timeline was exactly as Bush and the Iraqi government agreed on. They also agreed at that time to relook the situation and see if we'd keep more troops. Last year we expected to keep about 15-30K. Obama couldn't get the Iraqi's to agree to continue the current SOFA without criminal oversight by the Iraqi judicial system. Two mistakes by the beloved barry...he didn't stay engaged with the Iraqi gov....as in personally enaged as had Bush. He allowed them to drift more toward Iran. He's further selling out the Kurds who are close to a shooting war with a waaaay more muslimcentric Turkey. If this goes tits up....this is all on Barry.
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He carefully weighed the decision to send troops into pakistan, less than a mile from their version of west point, kill a few men on the ground then execute bin laden.
That was blind luck - he happened to see the location during the para-jump he did when he shot the Somali pirates from mid-air and swam back to the States.
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Yes sir.....my commander n chief is an action figure...oh boy!
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That was blind luck - he happened to see the location during the para-jump he did when he shot the Somali pirates from mid-air and swam back to the States.
oh i see, unless a president personally pulls the trigger on a mission, he gets no credit.
Fine.
if pak had shot down that helicopter and strung our seals' bodies up on poles in the town square - repubs would have been LIVID at obama for calling the shots and sending them in. He took very serious risk doing so.
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:D
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just mad your man bush couldn't do the job :D
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god it has gotta suck to a repubs this week.
obama is a wussy and he's killing bad guys.
repubs have been screaming its time to leave iraq - and now we are, and they're complaining.
the GOp offering? Settle for Flip Romney or wait to see what meltdown cain or perry have this week. Not an ounce of dignity with a chance to win.
obama is looking better and better for 2012, champs. Sucks, cause he's a mess and is blowing money in a dangerous manner... but wow, yall can't run anyone to beat hin.
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god it has gotta suck to a repubs this week.
obama is a wussy and he's killing bad guys.
repubs have been screaming its time to leave iraq - and now we are, and they're complaining.
the GOp offering? Settle for Flip Romney or wait to see what meltdown cain or perry have this week. Not an ounce of dignity with a chance to win.
obama is looking better and better for 2012, champs. Sucks, cause he's a mess and is blowing money in a dangerous manner... but wow, yall can't run anyone to beat hin.
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oh i see, unless a president personally pulls the trigger on a mission, he gets no credit.
Fine.
if pak had shot down that helicopter and strung our seals' bodies up on poles in the town square - repubs would have been LIVID at obama for calling the shots and sending them in. He took very serious risk doing so.
How can follow this stuff so much yet be so wrong all the time?
You seem to think these minor fluctuations in ratings over a year out of the election actually mean something. The man's been on a downward trend for a decent amount of time.
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same as polls over a year out are pointless
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same as polls over a year out are pointless
did you get your commemorative Birther Mug yet?
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i ordered the beer mug
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same as polls over a year out are pointless
wait, you mean rudy didn't defeat hilary in a landslide?
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Iraq rejects US request to maintain bases after troop withdrawal
Obama announces the full withdrawal of troops from Iraq but fails to persuade Nouri al-Maliki to allow US to keep bases there
The US suffered a major diplomatic and military rebuff on Friday when Iraq finally rejected its pleas to maintain bases in the country beyond this year.
Barack Obama announced at a White House press conference that all American troops will leave Iraq by the end of December, a decision forced by the final collapse of lengthy talks between the US and the Iraqi government on the issue.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/oct/21/iraq-reject...
There seems to be some serious denial going on. The Obama administration did in fact negotiate to keep troops in Iraq. It was only after Al-Maliki rejected the terms of an extension (for troop prosecution immunity) of the old Bush agreement for US troops staying in Iraq that the US was forced to leave.
Obama did not decide to leave to fulfill a campaign promise, he was convinced to stay but legally can't without that agreement.
EDIT: For people who doubt the Guardian
http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/21/world/meast/iraq-us-troop...
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/obama-speak-ir...
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/22/world/middleeast/pres...
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/22/us-iraq-usa-o...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/a...
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this way, he can say "I got the troops out' which will help in a big way to cut off the balls of GOP contenders.
But at the same time, a small security force and bases 'don't count'.
no way in hell we wanna give those up. The bases give us bargaining power FOREVER. I said this shit 8 years ago on getbig - the bases aren't going a damn place. cawksuckers who were like "this was is not about bases!" should STFU.
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About that Iraq withdrawal
By Glenn Greenwald
October 21, 2001
President Obama announced today that all U.S. troops will be withdrawn from Iraq by the end of the year, and this announcement is being seized upon exactly the way you would predict: by the Right to argue that Obama is a weak, appeasing Chamberlain and by Democrats to hail his greatness for keeping his promise and (yet again) Ending the War. It’s obviously a good thing that these troops are leaving Iraq, but let’s note three clear facts before either of these absurd narratives ossify:
First, the troop withdrawal is required by an agreement which George W. Bush negotiated and entered into with Iraq and which was ratified by the Iraqi Parliament prior to Obama’s inauguration. Let’s listen to the White House itself today: “’This deal was cut by the Bush administration, the agreement was always that at end of the year we would leave. . . .’ an administration official said.” As I said, it’s a good thing that this agreement is being adhered to, and one can reasonably argue that Obama’s campaign advocacy for the war’s end influenced the making of that agreement, but the Year End 2011 withdrawal date was agreed to by the Bush administration and codified by them in a binding agreement.
Second, the Obama administration has been working for months to persuade, pressure and cajole Iraq to allow U.S. troops to remain in that country beyond the deadline. The reason they’re being withdrawn isn’t because Obama insisted on this, but because he tried — but failed — to get out of this obligation
Third, there will still be a very substantial presence in that country, including what McClatchy called a “small army” under the control of the State Department. They will remain indefinitely, and that includes a large number of private contractors.
Read the full article at:
http://www.salon.com/2011/10/21/about_that_iraq_withdra... /
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U.S. Troop Withdrawal Motivated by Iraqi Insistence, Not U.S. Choice
by Yochi J. Dreazen
October 22, 2011
President Obama’s speech formally declaring that the last 43,000 U.S. troops will leave Iraq by the end of the year was designed to mask an unpleasant truth: The troops aren’t being withdrawn because the U.S. wants them out. They’re leaving because the Iraqi government refused to let them stay.
Obama campaigned on ending the war in Iraq but had instead spent the past few months trying to extend it. A 2008 security deal between Washington and Baghdad called for all American forces to leave Iraq by the end of the year, but the White House -- anxious about growing Iranian influence and Iraq’s continuing political and security challenges -- publicly and privately tried to sell the Iraqis on a troop extension. As recently as last week, the White House was trying to persuade the Iraqis to allow 2,000-3,000 troops to stay beyond the end of the year.
In Washington, many Republican lawmakers had spent recent weeks criticizing Obama for offering to keep a maximum of 3,000 troops in Iraq, far less than the 10,000-15,000 recommended by top American commanders in Iraq. That political point-scoring helped obscure that the choice wasn’t Obama’s to make. It was the Iraqis’, and recent interviews with officials in the country provided vivid evidence of just how unpopular the U.S. military presence there has become -- and just how badly the Iraqi political leadership wanted those troops to go home.
The only major Iraqi political bloc that was willing to speak publicly about a troop extension was the Kurdish alliance which governs the country’s north and has long had a testy relationship with Maliki and the country’s Sunni and Shia populations. But even Kurdish support was far from monolithic: Mahmoud Othman, an independent Kurdish lawmaker considered one of the most pro-American members of parliament, said in a recent interview that he wanted the U.S. troops out.
Read the full article at:
http://www.nationaljournal.com/u-s-troop-withdrawal-mot...
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So, scratch off another issue that the left is trying to credit Obama for, but was actually accomplished by someone else:
(1) Bin Laden; the military and torture take ALL the credit
(2) Ghadaffi brought down by Nato international jewry
Thanks, 120. Thanks for stating the truth for once.
FIXED
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/10/24/obamas-war-crime-taking-credit-from-bush-adminsitration-for-ending-the-iraq-war.html
More lies from Obama, as always.
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Key general calls Iraq pullout plan a ‘disaster’
The Washington Times ^ | Sunday, October 23, 2011 | Rowan Scarborough
President Obama’s decision to pull all U.S. forces out of Iraq by Dec. 31 is an “absolute disaster” that puts the burgeoning Arab democracy at risk of an Iranian “strangling,” said an architect of the 2007 troop surge that turned around a losing war.
Retired ArmyGen. John M. Keane was at the forefront of persuading President George W. Bush to scuttle a static counterinsurgency strategy and replace it with 30,000 reinforcements and a more activist, street-by-street counterterrorism tactic.
Today, even with that strategy producing a huge drop in daily attacks, Gen. Keane bluntly told The Washington Times that the United States again is losing.
“I think it’s an absolute disaster,” said Gen. Keane, who advised Gen. David H. Petraeus when he was top Iraq commander. “We won the war in Iraq, and we’re now losing the peace.”
U.S. troops will be vacating Iraq at a time when neither Baghdad’s counterterrorism skills nor its abilities to protect against invasion are at levels needed to fully protect the country, say analysts long involved in the nearly nine-year war.
“Forty-four hundred lives lost,” Gen. Keane said. “Tens of thousands of troops wounded. Over a couple hundred thousand Iraqis killed. We liberated 25 million people. There is only one Arab Muslim country that elects its own government, and that is Iraq.
“We should be staying there to strengthen that democracy, to let them get the kind of political gains they need to get and keep the Iranians away from strangling that country. That should be our objective, and we are walking away from that objective.”
Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton on Sunday warned Iran not to miscalculate the U.S. decision to withdraw its troops.
“No one, most particularly Iran, should miscalculate about our continuing commitment to and with the Iraqis going forward,”
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...
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you can get as mad as you want about all of these details... bottom line?
in general election, the repub will have to give obama a total pass on nat'l security and the war. no way will ROmney say "we should still be in iraq!" or "why did you have to kill kadaffi" or "What did bin laden ever do?"
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Obama hasn't changed anything that was originally put in by Bush in order to keep the USA safe. So what did he do again, what legislation did he pass that has improved on anything that Bush did, from surveillance to intelligence gathering, that should garner him any attention?
Not only that. But, who cares? Who cares about Ghadaffi? How was he affecting the USA? Remember, these are the same questions that Democrats and Libs made when USA went into Iraq and got Hussein.
I thought Obama was going to get the USA out of all the conflicts in the world?
You also forgot another thing that Obama killed. The economy. That is his biggest victim.
Im pretty sure the economy was crippled before Obama took office did you just start following the news when OBama was elected?
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Im pretty sure the economy was crippled before Obama took office did you just start following the news when OBama was elected?
he also waited until obama won the election to stock up on guns.
gun store owners love guys like him. "Buy now, since obama will be taking your guns".
how are those nationwide door-to-door gun confiscation programs going?
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Obama has done NOTHING of value since he took office. FACT.
He is BY FAR THE WORST PRESIDENT EVER. Only Carter MIGHT be worse. Both, are Democratic chumps.
No amount of dead terrorists will bring this economy back to life.
Interesting how Libs and Dems smeared Bush with the labels or warmonger and "blood for oil" tyrant, but are now praising Obama.
If Obama keeps it up, he will put Hitler to shame. Oops, did I just use another Liberal comparison.
Haha he is WAY better than the repub at killing terrorists/enemies thats for sure
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Key general calls Iraq pullout plan a ‘disaster’
The Washington Times ^ | Sunday, October 23, 2011 | Rowan Scarborough
President Obama’s decision to pull all U.S. forces out of Iraq by Dec. 31 is an “absolute disaster” that puts the burgeoning Arab democracy at risk of an Iranian “strangling,” said an architect of the 2007 troop surge that turned around a losing war.
Retired ArmyGen. John M. Keane was at the forefront of persuading President George W. Bush to scuttle a static counterinsurgency strategy and replace it with 30,000 reinforcements and a more activist, street-by-street counterterrorism tactic.
Today, even with that strategy producing a huge drop in daily attacks, Gen. Keane bluntly told The Washington Times that the United States again is losing.
“I think it’s an absolute disaster,” said Gen. Keane, who advised Gen. David H. Petraeus when he was top Iraq commander. “We won the war in Iraq, and we’re now losing the peace.”
U.S. troops will be vacating Iraq at a time when neither Baghdad’s counterterrorism skills nor its abilities to protect against invasion are at levels needed to fully protect the country, say analysts long involved in the nearly nine-year war.
“Forty-four hundred lives lost,” Gen. Keane said. “Tens of thousands of troops wounded. Over a couple hundred thousand Iraqis killed. We liberated 25 million people. There is only one Arab Muslim country that elects its own government, and that is Iraq.
“We should be staying there to strengthen that democracy, to let them get the kind of political gains they need to get and keep the Iranians away from strangling that country. That should be our objective, and we are walking away from that objective.”
Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton on Sunday warned Iran not to miscalculate the U.S. decision to withdraw its troops.
“No one, most particularly Iran, should miscalculate about our continuing commitment to and with the Iraqis going forward,”
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...
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Key General???....he's been retired for 8 years.....give me a break ::)
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Key General???....he's been retired for 8 years.....give me a break ::)
and his only message is "We should STAY in iraq FOREVER"
I spose mccain was too busy to repeat that standard line?
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President Obama’s decision to pull all U.S. forces out of Iraq by Dec. 31 is an “absolute disaster” that puts the burgeoning Arab democracy at risk of an Iranian “strangling,” said an architect of the 2007 troop surge that turned around a losing war.
Retired ArmyGen. John M. Keane was at the forefront of persuading President George W. Bush to scuttle a static counterinsurgency strategy and replace it with 30,000 reinforcements and a more activist, street-by-street counterterrorism tactic.
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Vince , aka "Rambo", knows more than the General who drew up the surge that worked. Got it.
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you can get as mad as you want about all of these details... bottom line?
in general election, the repub will have to give obama a total pass on nat'l security and the war. no way will ROmney say "we should still be in iraq!" or "why did you have to kill kadaffi" or "What did bin laden ever do?"
I have bashed Obama for some time along with anyone else but he has done a MUCH better job than the previous administration at killing bad guys
If it were up to me i would make him Foreign Secretary
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/10/24/obamas-war-crime-taking-credit-from-bush-adminsitration-for-ending-the-iraq-war.html
More lies from Obama, as always.
Bump for 240, Vince, Blacken , aka Whork,
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I have bashed Obama for some time along with anyone else but he has done a MUCH better job than the previous administration at killing bad guys
If it were up to me i would make him Foreign Secretary
Has nothing to do with him.
As time goes by intelligence gathering methods and coordination between agencies become better. They become better at what they do. It is totally unreasonable to expect the same results at the beginning of an operation against an unknown enemy as compared to years of toiling against such enemy. Recent killings of terrorrists are only the fruits of prior work done in years past. Nothing to do with Obama. No matter who was the president now, it was a matter of time before the USA got Bin Laden and only a matter of time before the USA improved itself in finding and killing terrorists. It is a process that has nothing to do with who is in the oval office.
Gadaffi? Please. His fate was sealed when NATO enforced its fly zones. And even then Obama was wrong. "Days, not weeks".
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Bump for 240, Vince, Blacken , aka Whork,
An article that no one will even pay attention to ::)
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Vince , aka "Rambo", knows more than the General who drew up the surge that worked. Got it.
33, aka "Just another balding 30-something getbigger", knows more about the economy than Timothy Geithner.
Got it.
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Great post i totally agree
However the same things applies to the economy, long term politics etc
So there seems to be a double standard here
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An article that no one will even pay attention to ::)
You still want sharia law?
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33, aka "Just another balding 30-something getbigger", knows more about the economy than Timothy Geithner.
Got it.
LOL. I will post my predicitions from 2008 vs Geithners' record and let anyone have at it.
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LOL. I will post my predicitions from 2008 vs Geithners' record and let anyone have at it.
You know where Geithner worked before right?
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LOL. I will post my predicitions from 2008 vs Geithners' record and let anyone have at it.
part of geithner's job - just like the president - is to SELL CONFIDENCE in the US economy.
He's a cheerleader. Just like the president. Bush knew on Sept 14th that things were about to go south tomorrow - and he STILL had to recite the standard "we're working on fixing things..." Why? To minimize the impact/damage.
Geithner knows 100000x more about the economy than you do. What he says publicly serve an agenda. Same way you might not let out all info on a court case in court. You know everything about it - but there are times to hold info, right?
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You know where Geithner worked before right?
uuugghhh yyyeeaaahhh - he was head of the NY Fed under Paulson and his right hand man.
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part of geithner's job - just like the president - is to SELL CONFIDENCE in the US economy.
He's a cheerleader. Just like the president. Bush knew on Sept 14th that things were about to go south tomorrow - and he STILL had to recite the standard "we're working on fixing things..." Why? To minimize the impact/damage.
Geithner knows 100000x more about the economy than you do. What he says publicly serve an agenda. Same way you might not let out all info on a court case in court. You know everything about it - but there are times to hold info, right?
Read confidence men and come back to me fool.
Geithner was put there by Obama to protect the bankers who bankrolled his campaign.
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WOW.
Are these leftists attempting to argue about who is Geithner, who he worked with and trying to dismiss the fact that Obama sold out to corporations?
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WOW.
Are these leftists attempting to argue about who is Geithner, who he worked with and trying to dismiss the fact that Obama sold out to corporations?
240, Blacken, Vince, Straw, Andre, et al, will DO ANYTHING to protect Obama.
I will give Obama credit for not getting in the way with spec ops and some of the others in doing the intel to get the terrorists, but to act like he is manning the Apaches, GMAFB.
And the economy? Really?
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Great post i totally agree
However the same things applies to the economy, long term politics etc
So there seems to be a double standard here
No double standard. Just your inability to understand the differences between military intelligence and economics/politics. I can't believe you are comparing them. So, FBI and CIA working together, along with improve techinques by the military is somehow on the same level as Obamanomics and his political idealogy. You remind me of my retarded cousin.
What Obama has done with the economy has been proven by history that it does not work. Government doesn't create jobs and pumping money back into the economy by proping failed companies don't stimulate the economy at all. Yet, he still pushed for it and continued Bush's policies. The left stated Bush was a disaster, so what does that make Obama when he doubled up on everything Bush did?
Try to keep up, spanky.
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Just because he is called the "commander in chief" doesn't mean the president is actually involved in strategizing military operations. Seems like people don't comprehend that at all.
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Just because he is called the "commander in chief" doesn't mean the president is actually involved in strategizing military operations. Seems like people don't comprehend that at all.
did president obama have to APPROVE that bin laden mission? yes or no?
If not obama - then WHO made the decision?
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did president obama have to APPROVE that bin laden mission? yes or no?
If not obama - then WHO made the decision?
Whateber - once obama was even given the choice, and more than one other person knew of the choice, Obama had no choice.
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Whateber - once obama was even given the choice, and more than one other person knew of the choice, Obama had no choice.
WTF are you talking about?
Once obama gave the order to kill OBL.... Obama had no choice? WTF, dude? It's just getting stupid up in here.
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WTF are you talking about?
Once obama gave the order to kill OBL.... Obama had no choice? WTF, dude? It's just getting stupid up in here.
No - once panetta went to Obama and told him they figured out where Obama was hiding, or at least believed to have been hiding and had a chance to take him out - guess what 240 - Obama was left w no decision.
Imagine he said no and we got hit again and Panetta or others went public with it that obama turned it down?
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No - once panetta went to Obama and told him they figured out where Obama was hiding, or at least believed to have been hiding and had a chance to take him out - guess what 240 - Obama was left w no decision.
Imagine he said no and we got hit again and Panetta or others went public with it that obama turned it down?
really? I was under the impression they pretty much knew he was there for the last year. They had agents living next door? they knew who was there all the time.
Obama needed a poll bump, so he went for it. Chances are, we probably have known where he's been a lot longer than that.
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Fuck 'em... Time to get the hell out.
YEP
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So, scratch off another issue that the left is trying to credit Obama for, but was actually accomplished by someone else:
(1) Bin Laden; the military and torture take ALL the credit
(2) Ghadaffi brought down by Nato
Thanks, 120. Thanks for stating the truth for once.
still delusional I see
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Obama hasn't changed anything that was originally put in by Bush in order to keep the USA safe. So what did he do again, what legislation did he pass that has improved on anything that Bush did, from surveillance to intelligence gathering, that should garner him any attention?
Not only that. But, who cares? Who cares about Ghadaffi? How was he affecting the USA? Remember, these are the same questions that Democrats and Libs made when USA went into Iraq and got Hussein.
I thought Obama was going to get the USA out of all the conflicts in the world?
You also forgot another thing that Obama killed. The economy. That is his biggest victim.
Blacken..this guy is a fool..why bother arguing with him>>>,,his hypocrisy is amazing
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Obama has done NOTHING of value since he took office. FACT.
He is BY FAR THE WORST PRESIDENT EVER. Only Carter MIGHT be worse. Both, are Democratic chumps.
No amount of dead terrorists will bring this economy back to life.
Interesting how Libs and Dems smeared Bush with the labels or warmonger and "blood for oil" tyrant, but are now praising Obama.
If Obama keeps it up, he will put Hitler to shame. Oops, did I just use another Liberal comparison.
Better watch out..the Jews are gonna come after you
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He carefully weighed the decision to send troops into pakistan, less than a mile from their version of west point, kill a few men on the ground then execute bin laden.
Then he made the decision.
You can say he fcked the economy, healthcare, and everything else. But be fair. He had to approve it, and he did.
100% true...but fairness isn't an option for these anti-Obama haters
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The timeline was exactly as Bush and the Iraqi government agreed on. They also agreed at that time to relook the situation and see if we'd keep more troops. Last year we expected to keep about 15-30K. Obama couldn't get the Iraqi's to agree to continue the current SOFA without criminal oversight by the Iraqi judicial system. Two mistakes by the beloved barry...he didn't stay engaged with the Iraqi gov....as in personally enaged as had Bush. He allowed them to drift more toward Iran. He's further selling out the Kurds who are close to a shooting war with a waaaay more muslimcentric Turkey. If this goes tits up....this is all on Barry.
not Obama's fault.the Iraqi's wouldn't agree to it because that was their way to get us out of their and save face..they wanted us to leave and this was a convenient excuse.,..they wouldn't dare just tell us to leave after all we did ..so that was their excuse..they had no intention of giving our troops the immunity we wanted..I'm actually glad they didit...let them have their god-forsaken country
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That was blind luck - he happened to see the location during the para-jump he did when he shot the Somali pirates from mid-air and swam back to the States.
this statement is really idiotic...HOW can it be blind luck?...I guess our troops were strolling down the street and someone said.."look, theres Bin Laden"????
Don't be a dumbass
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oh i see, unless a president personally pulls the trigger on a mission, he gets no credit.
Fine.
if pak had shot down that helicopter and strung our seals' bodies up on poles in the town square - repubs would have been LIVID at obama for calling the shots and sending them in. He took very serious risk doing so.
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How can follow this stuff so much yet be so wrong all the time?
You seem to think these minor fluctuations in ratings over a year out of the election actually mean something. The man's been on a downward trend for a decent amount of time.
agreed..he has been on a downward trend....but still at least give him credit for the things he's done RIGHT
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thanks bro. anytime a leader take GREAT political risk - and it works - he gets some. Had the mission failed, and we lost 40 Seals in pakistan's military HQ because obama had a hunch OBL was there... holy shit, we'd hear about it every day.
Kinda like the QB gets the credit for the win, the coach gets the blame for the loss.
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thanks bro. anytime a leader take GREAT political risk - and it works - he gets some. Had the mission failed, and we lost 40 Seals in pakistan's military HQ because obama had a hunch OBL was there... holy shit, we'd hear about it every day.
Kinda like the QB gets the credit for the win, the coach gets the blame for the loss.
We never would have heard about it.
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Haha he is WAY better than the repub at killing terrorists/enemies thats for sure
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We never would have heard about it.
o rly? pakistan was raising a shitfit - adn they were hiding OBL. Imagine their noise if we invaded like that for nothing.
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WOW.
Are these leftists attempting to argue about who is Geithner, who he worked with and trying to dismiss the fact that Obama sold out to corporations?
The Republicans have been selling out to corporations for years...you complain now????
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Just because he is called the "commander in chief" doesn't mean the president is actually involved in strategizing military operations. Seems like people don't comprehend that at all.
we know that.....yet if the mission was unsuccessful you and everyone else would have blamed him.....CAN'T YOU SEE THE HYPOCRISY IN YOURSELF??????
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WTF are you talking about?
Once obama gave the order to kill OBL.... Obama had no choice? WTF, dude? It's just getting stupid up in here.
you just now noticing this????.. ;)
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No - once panetta went to Obama and told him they figured out where Obama was hiding, or at least believed to have been hiding and had a chance to take him out - guess what 240 - Obama was left w no decision.
Imagine he said no and we got hit again and Panetta or others went public with it that obama turned it down?
Jesus Christ you're DUMB!!!..and who do you think appointed Panetta???????????????????????????????????????
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http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/10/25/128294/as-us-iraqi-troop-talks-faltered.html
Wow! Talk about Obama incompetence and malfeasance in office!
FUBO. FUJB. FUHC. FUANDRE! FUBLACKEN!