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Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq
« Reply #25 on: October 21, 2011, 01:15:27 PM »
god it has gotta suck to a repubs this week.

obama is a wussy and he's killing bad guys.
repubs have been screaming its time to leave iraq - and now we are, and they're complaining.  

the GOp offering?  Settle for Flip Romney or wait to see what meltdown cain or perry have this week.  Not an ounce of dignity with a chance to win.

obama is looking better and better for 2012, champs.  Sucks, cause he's a mess and is blowing money in a dangerous manner... but wow, yall can't run anyone to beat hin.

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Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq
« Reply #26 on: October 21, 2011, 01:16:16 PM »
god it has gotta suck to a repubs this week.

obama is a wussy and he's killing bad guys.
repubs have been screaming its time to leave iraq - and now we are, and they're complaining.  

the GOp offering?  Settle for Flip Romney or wait to see what meltdown cain or perry have this week.  Not an ounce of dignity with a chance to win.

obama is looking better and better for 2012, champs.  Sucks, cause he's a mess and is blowing money in a dangerous manner... but wow, yall can't run anyone to beat hin.

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Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq
« Reply #27 on: October 21, 2011, 01:16:37 PM »
oh i see, unless a president personally pulls the trigger on a mission, he gets no credit.

Fine.

if pak had shot down that helicopter and strung our seals' bodies up on poles in the town square - repubs would have been LIVID at obama for calling the shots and sending them in.  He took very serious risk doing so.

How can follow this stuff so much yet be so wrong all the time?

You seem to think these minor fluctuations in ratings over a year out of the election actually mean something.  The man's been on a downward trend for a decent amount of time.
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Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq
« Reply #28 on: October 21, 2011, 01:21:41 PM »
same as polls over a year out are pointless

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Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq
« Reply #29 on: October 21, 2011, 01:23:45 PM »
same as polls over a year out are pointless

did you get your commemorative Birther Mug yet? 

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Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq
« Reply #30 on: October 21, 2011, 01:26:00 PM »
i ordered the beer mug

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Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq
« Reply #31 on: October 21, 2011, 01:26:14 PM »
same as polls over a year out are pointless

wait, you mean rudy didn't defeat hilary in a landslide?

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Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq
« Reply #32 on: October 22, 2011, 05:27:44 AM »
Iraq rejects US request to maintain bases after troop withdrawal



Obama announces the full withdrawal of troops from Iraq but fails to persuade Nouri al-Maliki to allow US to keep bases there


The US suffered a major diplomatic and military rebuff on Friday when Iraq finally rejected its pleas to maintain bases in the country beyond this year.

Barack Obama announced at a White House press conference that all American troops will leave Iraq by the end of December, a decision forced by the final collapse of lengthy talks between the US and the Iraqi government on the issue.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/oct/21/iraq-reject...


There seems to be some serious denial going on. The Obama administration did in fact negotiate to keep troops in Iraq. It was only after Al-Maliki rejected the terms of an extension (for troop prosecution immunity) of the old Bush agreement for US troops staying in Iraq that the US was forced to leave.

Obama did not decide to leave to fulfill a campaign promise, he was convinced to stay but legally can't without that agreement.

EDIT: For people who doubt the Guardian
http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/21/world/meast/iraq-us-troop...
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/obama-speak-ir...
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/22/world/middleeast/pres...
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/22/us-iraq-usa-o...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/a...

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Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq
« Reply #33 on: October 22, 2011, 05:58:41 AM »
this way, he can say "I got the troops out' which will help in a big way to cut off the balls of GOP contenders.

But at the same time, a small security force and bases 'don't count'.

no way in hell we wanna give those up.  The bases give us bargaining power FOREVER.  I said this shit 8 years ago on getbig - the bases aren't going a damn place.  cawksuckers who were like "this was is not about bases!" should STFU.

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Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq
« Reply #34 on: October 23, 2011, 06:00:43 AM »


About that Iraq withdrawal
By Glenn Greenwald
October 21, 2001

President Obama announced today that all U.S. troops will be withdrawn from Iraq by the end of the year, and this announcement is being seized upon exactly the way you would predict: by the Right to argue that Obama is a weak, appeasing Chamberlain and by Democrats to hail his greatness for keeping his promise and (yet again) Ending the War. It’s obviously a good thing that these troops are leaving Iraq, but let’s note three clear facts before either of these absurd narratives ossify:

First, the troop withdrawal is required by an agreement which George W. Bush negotiated and entered into with Iraq and which was ratified by the Iraqi Parliament prior to Obama’s inauguration. Let’s listen to the White House itself today: “’This deal was cut by the Bush administration, the agreement was always that at end of the year we would leave. . . .’ an administration official said.” As I said, it’s a good thing that this agreement is being adhered to, and one can reasonably argue that Obama’s campaign advocacy for the war’s end influenced the making of that agreement, but the Year End 2011 withdrawal date was agreed to by the Bush administration and codified by them in a binding agreement.

Second, the Obama administration has been working for months to persuade, pressure and cajole Iraq to allow U.S. troops to remain in that country beyond the deadline. The reason they’re being withdrawn isn’t because Obama insisted on this, but because he tried — but failed — to get out of this obligation

Third, there will still be a very substantial presence in that country, including what McClatchy called a “small army” under the control of the State Department. They will remain indefinitely, and that includes a large number of private contractors.

Read the full article at:

http://www.salon.com/2011/10/21/about_that_iraq_withdra... /


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U.S. Troop Withdrawal Motivated by Iraqi Insistence, Not U.S. Choice
by Yochi J. Dreazen
October 22, 2011

President Obama’s speech formally declaring that the last 43,000 U.S. troops will leave Iraq by the end of the year was designed to mask an unpleasant truth: The troops aren’t being withdrawn because the U.S. wants them out. They’re leaving because the Iraqi government refused to let them stay.

Obama campaigned on ending the war in Iraq but had instead spent the past few months trying to extend it. A 2008 security deal between Washington and Baghdad called for all American forces to leave Iraq by the end of the year, but the White House -- anxious about growing Iranian influence and Iraq’s continuing political and security challenges -- publicly and privately tried to sell the Iraqis on a troop extension. As recently as last week, the White House was trying to persuade the Iraqis to allow 2,000-3,000 troops to stay beyond the end of the year.

In Washington, many Republican lawmakers had spent recent weeks criticizing Obama for offering to keep a maximum of 3,000 troops in Iraq, far less than the 10,000-15,000 recommended by top American commanders in Iraq. That political point-scoring helped obscure that the choice wasn’t Obama’s to make. It was the Iraqis’, and recent interviews with officials in the country provided vivid evidence of just how unpopular the U.S. military presence there has become -- and just how badly the Iraqi political leadership wanted those troops to go home.

The only major Iraqi political bloc that was willing to speak publicly about a troop extension was the Kurdish alliance which governs the country’s north and has long had a testy relationship with Maliki and the country’s Sunni and Shia populations. But even Kurdish support was far from monolithic: Mahmoud Othman, an independent Kurdish lawmaker considered one of the most pro-American members of parliament, said in a recent interview that he wanted the U.S. troops out.

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http://www.nationaljournal.com/u-s-troop-withdrawal-mot...

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Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq
« Reply #35 on: October 23, 2011, 07:18:10 AM »
So, scratch off another issue that the left is trying to credit Obama for, but was actually accomplished by someone else:
 (1) Bin Laden; the military and torture take ALL the credit
 (2) Ghadaffi brought down by Nato international jewry

Thanks, 120. Thanks for stating the truth for once.

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Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq
« Reply #37 on: October 24, 2011, 06:09:00 AM »
Key general calls Iraq pullout plan a ‘disaster’
The Washington Times ^ | Sunday, October 23, 2011 | Rowan Scarborough




President Obama’s decision to pull all U.S. forces out of Iraq by Dec. 31 is an “absolute disaster” that puts the burgeoning Arab democracy at risk of an Iranian “strangling,” said an architect of the 2007 troop surge that turned around a losing war.

Retired ArmyGen. John M. Keane was at the forefront of persuading President George W. Bush to scuttle a static counterinsurgency strategy and replace it with 30,000 reinforcements and a more activist, street-by-street counterterrorism tactic.

Today, even with that strategy producing a huge drop in daily attacks, Gen. Keane bluntly told The Washington Times that the United States again is losing.

“I think it’s an absolute disaster,” said Gen. Keane, who advised Gen. David H. Petraeus when he was top Iraq commander. “We won the war in Iraq, and we’re now losing the peace.”

U.S. troops will be vacating Iraq at a time when neither Baghdad’s counterterrorism skills nor its abilities to protect against invasion are at levels needed to fully protect the country, say analysts long involved in the nearly nine-year war.

“Forty-four hundred lives lost,” Gen. Keane said. “Tens of thousands of troops wounded. Over a couple hundred thousand Iraqis killed. We liberated 25 million people. There is only one Arab Muslim country that elects its own government, and that is Iraq.

“We should be staying there to strengthen that democracy, to let them get the kind of political gains they need to get and keep the Iranians away from strangling that country. That should be our objective, and we are walking away from that objective.”

Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton on Sunday warned Iran not to miscalculate the U.S. decision to withdraw its troops.

“No one, most particularly Iran, should miscalculate about our continuing commitment to and with the Iraqis going forward,”


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Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq
« Reply #38 on: October 24, 2011, 06:23:22 AM »
you can get as mad as you want about all of these details... bottom line?

in general election, the repub will have to give obama a total pass on nat'l security and the war.  no way will ROmney say "we should still be in iraq!" or "why did you have to kill kadaffi" or "What did bin laden ever do?"

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Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq
« Reply #39 on: October 24, 2011, 06:27:22 AM »
Obama hasn't changed anything that was originally put in by Bush in order to keep the USA safe. So what did he do again, what legislation did he pass that has improved on anything that Bush did, from surveillance to intelligence gathering, that should garner him any attention?
Not only that. But, who cares? Who cares about Ghadaffi? How was he affecting the USA?  Remember, these are the same questions that Democrats and Libs made when USA went into Iraq and got Hussein.
I thought Obama was going to get the USA out of all the conflicts in the world?
You also forgot another thing that Obama killed. The economy. That is his biggest victim.

Im pretty sure the economy was crippled before Obama took office did you just start following the news when OBama was elected?

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Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq
« Reply #40 on: October 24, 2011, 06:28:33 AM »
Im pretty sure the economy was crippled before Obama took office did you just start following the news when OBama was elected?

he also waited until obama won the election to stock up on guns.

gun store owners love guys like him.   "Buy now, since obama will be taking your guns".

how are those nationwide door-to-door gun confiscation programs going?

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Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq
« Reply #41 on: October 24, 2011, 06:28:53 AM »
Obama has done NOTHING of value since he took office. FACT.

He is BY FAR THE WORST PRESIDENT EVER. Only Carter MIGHT be worse. Both, are Democratic chumps.

No amount of dead terrorists will bring this economy back to life.

Interesting how Libs and Dems smeared Bush with the labels or warmonger and "blood for oil" tyrant, but are now praising Obama.

If Obama keeps it up, he will put Hitler to shame. Oops, did I just use another Liberal comparison.
Haha he is WAY better than the repub at killing terrorists/enemies thats for sure

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Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq
« Reply #42 on: October 24, 2011, 06:28:59 AM »
Key general calls Iraq pullout plan a ‘disaster’
The Washington Times ^ | Sunday, October 23, 2011 | Rowan Scarborough




President Obama’s decision to pull all U.S. forces out of Iraq by Dec. 31 is an “absolute disaster” that puts the burgeoning Arab democracy at risk of an Iranian “strangling,” said an architect of the 2007 troop surge that turned around a losing war.

Retired ArmyGen. John M. Keane was at the forefront of persuading President George W. Bush to scuttle a static counterinsurgency strategy and replace it with 30,000 reinforcements and a more activist, street-by-street counterterrorism tactic.

Today, even with that strategy producing a huge drop in daily attacks, Gen. Keane bluntly told The Washington Times that the United States again is losing.

“I think it’s an absolute disaster,” said Gen. Keane, who advised Gen. David H. Petraeus when he was top Iraq commander. “We won the war in Iraq, and we’re now losing the peace.”

U.S. troops will be vacating Iraq at a time when neither Baghdad’s counterterrorism skills nor its abilities to protect against invasion are at levels needed to fully protect the country, say analysts long involved in the nearly nine-year war.

“Forty-four hundred lives lost,” Gen. Keane said. “Tens of thousands of troops wounded. Over a couple hundred thousand Iraqis killed. We liberated 25 million people. There is only one Arab Muslim country that elects its own government, and that is Iraq.

“We should be staying there to strengthen that democracy, to let them get the kind of political gains they need to get and keep the Iranians away from strangling that country. That should be our objective, and we are walking away from that objective.”

Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton on Sunday warned Iran not to miscalculate the U.S. decision to withdraw its troops.

“No one, most particularly Iran, should miscalculate about our continuing commitment to and with the Iraqis going forward,”


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Key General???....he's been retired for 8 years.....give me a break ::)
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Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq
« Reply #43 on: October 24, 2011, 06:30:18 AM »
Key General???....he's been retired for 8 years.....give me a break ::)

and his only message is "We should STAY in iraq FOREVER"

I spose mccain was too busy to repeat that standard line?

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Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq
« Reply #44 on: October 24, 2011, 06:31:44 AM »
President Obama’s decision to pull all U.S. forces out of Iraq by Dec. 31 is an “absolute disaster” that puts the burgeoning Arab democracy at risk of an Iranian “strangling,” said an architect of the 2007 troop surge that turned around a losing war.

Retired ArmyGen. John M. Keane was at the forefront of persuading President George W. Bush to scuttle a static counterinsurgency strategy and replace it with 30,000 reinforcements and a more activist, street-by-street counterterrorism tactic.




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Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq
« Reply #45 on: October 24, 2011, 06:32:27 AM »
you can get as mad as you want about all of these details... bottom line?

in general election, the repub will have to give obama a total pass on nat'l security and the war.  no way will ROmney say "we should still be in iraq!" or "why did you have to kill kadaffi" or "What did bin laden ever do?"

I have bashed Obama for some time along with anyone else but he has done a MUCH better job than the previous administration at killing bad guys

If it were up to me i would make him Foreign Secretary

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Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq
« Reply #47 on: October 24, 2011, 07:18:08 AM »
I have bashed Obama for some time along with anyone else but he has done a MUCH better job than the previous administration at killing bad guys

If it were up to me i would make him Foreign Secretary

Has nothing to do with him.

As time goes by intelligence gathering methods and coordination between agencies become better. They become better at what they do. It is totally unreasonable to expect the same results at the beginning of an operation against an unknown enemy as compared to years of toiling against such enemy. Recent killings of terrorrists are only the fruits of prior work done in years past. Nothing to do with Obama. No matter who was the president now, it was a matter of time before the USA got Bin Laden and only a matter of time before the USA improved itself in finding and killing terrorists. It is a process that has nothing to do with who is in the oval office.

Gadaffi? Please. His fate was sealed when NATO enforced its fly zones. And even then Obama was wrong. "Days, not weeks".

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Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq
« Reply #48 on: October 24, 2011, 07:19:53 AM »
Bump for 240, Vince, Blacken , aka Whork,


An article that no one will even pay attention to ::)
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Re: Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq
« Reply #49 on: October 24, 2011, 07:24:38 AM »
Vince , aka "Rambo", knows more than the General who drew up the surge that worked.   Got it.   

33, aka "Just another balding 30-something getbigger", knows more about the economy than Timothy Geithner.

Got it.