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The following is, hands down, THE MOST effective way to run insulin and growth hormone for muscle gain in the offseason. When dieting, it is recommended to change the way the gh is run to promote greater fat utilization throughout the day (remember, gh will shift your body's primary energy utilization from carbohydrates to fat). Later, I will post up an effective 4 month contest prep gh protocol that many pros have used and continue to follow.
I am not giving out doses here for the insulin because a lot of that comes down to individual sensitivity and experience.
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What do you need?
hgh and humalog (you can use humulin-r, though). IGF-1 DES can be helpful but not necessary, especially since no american research chemical/peptide suppliers carry real IGF-1, anyway.
The Protocol
- 5-10 mins before training: intramuscular injection of humalog, drink shake containing 10g dextrose/1iu insulin and ~50g whey protein.
- intra workout: consume shake containing 10g BCAA's, 10g creatine monohydrate, 7-10g dextrose/1iu insulin and ~25g whey protein
- immediately post workout: inject 10+ iu's hgh (no less than 10, 20-30 is the "sweet spot"). Method of injection is individually preferential though most would agree IV is the optimal.
- 30 mins post IV hgh injection: consume shake containing 7-10g dextrose/1iu of insulin and ~50g whey protein
- 60 mins post IV hgh injection: eat a meal containing 150-200g complex and simple carbohydrates and 100-150g protein
Notes
- if you are using humulin-r, inject it subcutaneously 90 minutes pre workout. I would also then recommend changing your preworkout eating to a full meal 2 hours prior, a shake as described in step 1 about 45-60 mins prior and then some glucose tablets upon entering the gym as well as the intra workout shake.
- if you are using real IGF-1 DES (note: it is very expensive, and from china), inject it bilaterally in muscles to be trained that day pre workout. Prepare to adjust carbohydrate intake accordingly as IGF-1 will lower insulin sensitivity.
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Welcome back sir! :D
Thank you!
Sport of peace.
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MORE!
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welcome back new god of hormona
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1 iu of insulin... ::)
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so you think both should be dosed once a day...what if gh is used alone without slin, still post workout only?
if not giving out specific doses, is there a certain correlation between gh and slin doses? ;D
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1 iu of insulin... ::)
10 grams of sugar per 1 iu of insulin.
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Thanks for posting BFG! A guru on this board who shall remain nameles(Tbombz) says you can get the exact same insulin like results without using insulin by just eating more carbs. What say you? I don't know if I should use the protocol you laid out, a methodical approach by a seasoned competitor. Or if I should just eat two more bananas a day and some gatorade like the resident village idiot, who shall remain nameless(Tbombz) says.
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Thanks for posting BFG! A guru on this board who shall remain nameles(Tbombz) says you can get the exact same insulin like results without using insulin by just eating more carbs. What say you? I don't know if I should use the protocol you laid out, a methodical approach by a seasoned competitor. Or if I should just eat two more bananas a day and some gatorade like the resident village idiot, who shall remain nameless(Tbombz) says.
;D ;D ;D
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Damn hgh i.v never heard of people doing that.
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Damn hgh i.v never heard of people doing that.
i asked gh15 once about it and he wrote it's effective way of administration but high doses can cause veins to collapse...not sure, though
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Thanks for posting BFG! A guru on this board who shall remain nameles(Tbombz) says you can get the exact same insulin like results without using insulin by just eating more carbs. What say you? I don't know if I should use the protocol you laid out, a methodical approach by a seasoned competitor. Or if I should just eat two more bananas a day and some gatorade like the resident village idiot, who shall remain nameless(Tbombz) says.
lol ;D
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some questions answered....
i didnt give specific insulin dosages because that has a lot to do with individual insulin sensitivity which is dependent on experience, length of time using it, other drugs, etc. More insulin does not always yield more positive results...while 15iu of insulin will cause greater nutrient shuttling than 5iu, 40iu may not be better than 20iu. There is eventually a "glass ceiling" on its nutrient shuttling capabilities and remember what happens to the nutrients that dont get shuttled into the muscles - they get stored as fat.
i also never said the best way to use insulin is once per day. Humalog should be administered via intramuscular injection prior to most meals on training days.
I'm going to assume the comment about "eating more carbs is the same as using insulin" is sarcasm but whoever really touted that misguided belief as fact clearly knows nothing about bodybuilding, let alone human physiology.
hGH post workout should be administered IV. Your goal, when taking a large (ideally 20-30iu's) dosage of hgh immediately after resistance training is to enhance and optimize muscle protein synthesis induced anabolism. The faster, and more direct, the drug enters the bloodstream the more powerful it is. It is very easy, fast and painless and it is truly worth the results. Many pros who have switched from post workout IM to post workout IV have said the feel like 10 iu's IV = 20 iu's IM. Remember, most peer reviewed science studies you read on the effects of gh administration are giving the test subjects hgh intravenously.
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Also, in regards to blowing out a vein/track marks...that can be avoided for the most part by just backloading a fresh insulin needle to keep it sharp. Also, most guys do it in their hands and feet where it is much less noticeable.
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Also, in regards to blowing out a vein/track marks...that can be avoided for the most part by just backloading a fresh insulin needle to keep it sharp. Also, most guys do it in their hands and feet where it is much less noticeable.
WTF... :-X
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great thread
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Great to see BFG posting again!
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great thread
horrible thread
bro science at its worst..
bfg contributing more unnecessary over complication..
gh15 is god around here for a reason.. cuz this shit is simple..
no need for fancy protocols and trying to "time" your injections just right..
bfg= moron bodybuilder trying to find "the magic weapon"...
hint= there isnt one...
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i dont think im vs subq matters for humalog especially when we're talking use of ~5iu of liquid. its not going to take that long to absorb even in sub-q tissue. if someone thinks its a huge issue then they can just wait an extra 5 minutes before they start training
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horrible thread
bro science at its worst..
bfg contributing more unnecessary over complication..
gh15 is god around here for a reason.. cuz this shit is simple..
no need for fancy protocols and trying to "time" your injections just right..
bfg= moron bodybuilder trying to find "the magic weapon"...
hint= there isnt one...
You're just mad because he said this about you,
"I'm going to assume the comment about "eating more carbs is the same as using insulin" is sarcasm but whoever really touted that misguided belief as fact clearly knows nothing about bodybuilding, let alone human physiology. "
And yes BFG, here is the village idiot...Tbombz.
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horrible thread
bro science at its worst..
bfg contributing more unnecessary over complication..
gh15 is god around here for a reason.. cuz this shit is simple..
no need for fancy protocols and trying to "time" your injections just right..
bfg= moron bodybuilder trying to find "the magic weapon"...
hint= there isnt one...
there is a magic weapon and its human grade hgh ;)
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horrible thread
bro science at its worst..
bfg contributing more unnecessary over complication..
gh15 is god around here for a reason.. cuz this shit is simple..
no need for fancy protocols and trying to "time" your injections just right..
bfg= moron bodybuilder trying to find "the magic weapon"...
hint= there isnt one...
are you mad that you got owned?
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You're just mad because he said this about you,
"I'm going to assume the comment about "eating more carbs is the same as using insulin" is sarcasm but whoever really touted that misguided belief as fact clearly knows nothing about bodybuilding, let alone human physiology. "
And yes BFG, here is the village idiot...Tbombz.
::) lamefalsehood misquoted me and even if the quote was right bfg's response would have been idiotic... insulin works for a select few individuals... a very select few... the vast majority of peple will not get anything in return for even massive insulin abuse... you have to be on large doses of GH, be EXTREMELY heavily muscled, or be 1000000% ectomorph to benefit...
there is a magic weapon and its human grade hgh ;)
not a magic weapon.. takes big use and consistant use for mutation to happen... but if anything came close to magic, that would be it.. in combination with AAS.. however the idea that you must take it at a certain time in a certain fashion... complete and utter bullshit. in fact bfg's recommendation would be wrong anyways, ronnieT of bodyofscience just posted a while back that subq gh resulted in about twice as high of biological levels compared to intramscular or IV...
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10 grams of sugar per 1 iu of insulin.
My bad, I thought he was saying 1 iu of slin lol
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1000000% ectomorph to benefit...
What the hell is that? ::)
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1o0ui humulin n morning , 10ui gh am (pharma) + pm ( 10ui gh generic) for a year every day n now we ar talking
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The Protocol
- 5-10 mins before training: intramuscular injection of humalog, drink shake containing 10g dextrose/1iu insulin and ~50g whey protein.
- intra workout: consume shake containing 10g BCAA's, 10g creatine monohydrate, 7-10g dextrose/1iu insulin and ~25g whey protein - immediately post workout: inject 10+ iu's hgh (no less than 10, 20-30 is the "sweet spot"). Method of injection is individually preferential though most would agree IV is the optimal.
- 30 mins post IV hgh injection: consume shake containing 7-10g dextrose/1iu of insulin and ~50g whey protein
- 60 mins post IV hgh injection: eat a meal containing 150-200g complex and simple carbohydrates and 100-150g protein
Creatine monohydrate? ::) BCAA's? Really? ::)
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Creatine monohydrate? ::) BCAA's? Really? ::)
It's the famous Milos Shake.
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bfg, what's your take on long-acting slin? would it be beneficial to combine 1-2 shots of lantus a day, for example, with that pre-workout protocol? good info, btw...honest information regarding high level slin use is amazingly rare...thx!
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BFG must be huge
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bfg, what's your take on long-acting slin? would it be beneficial to combine 1-2 shots of lantus a day, for example, with that pre-workout protocol? good info, btw...honest information regarding high level slin use is amazingly rare...thx!
Lantus is a great addition to any serious competitor's arsenal. The standard protocol would be a shot of lantus in the morning and then IM humalog prior to (almost) every meal.
When I have some more time, i will lay out a full day of insulin usage protocol that will cover all the types used and when.
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What the hell is that? ::)
according to palumbo it is someone who by nature does not produce much exogenous insulin naturally, if there is such a thing :D
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BFG must be huge
BFG = Ronnie Coleman. :-*
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Creatine monohydrate? ::) BCAA's? Really? ::)
When you're fasted or sick, BCAAs have their place. I only buy them when they're on sale and stock up for when I'm dieting or suffering massive sickness. On that note though, I usually keep a couple vials of GH available for when I'm sick too so it doesn't take a toll.
Sort of an amateur looking insulin/GH protocol. Humalog is too fast and finicky. Humulin-R would be the way I'd personally go with pre workout insulin. I'd sip a shake pre and intra workout, then have a shake after pinning post-workout GH. No need to pin your insulin a thousand times with Humalog. It's too tough to predict what it's going to do when you're using an appreciable amount of it. Makes it basically useless for bodybuilding unless you can really find the sweet spot.
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When you're fasted or sick, BCAAs have their place. I only buy them when they're on sale and stock up for when I'm dieting or suffering massive sickness. On that note though, I usually keep a couple vials of GH available for when I'm sick too so it doesn't take a toll.
Sort of an amateur looking insulin/GH protocol. Humalog is too fast and finicky. Humulin-R would be the way I'd personally go with pre workout insulin. I'd sip a shake pre and intra workout, then have a shake after pinning post-workout GH. No need to pin your insulin a thousand times with Humalog. It's too tough to predict what it's going to do when you're using an appreciable amount of it. Makes it basically useless for bodybuilding unless you can really find the sweet spot.
not to mention that BCAA's have been linked to increased life span in humans.
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Buy the most that you can afford and divide by the number of days remaining in the year.
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when medical literature says something was "linked" with something, it means nothing, it's like if they were doing a study on 200 patients taking tylenol and one of them got cnacner, they will say tylenol is linked with cancer, meaningless
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when medical literature says something was "linked" with something, it means nothing, it's like if they were doing a study on 200 patients taking tylenol and one of them got cnacner, they will say tylenol is linked with cancer, meaningless
It's actually usually based on a significant regression model (which is almost equally as meaningless).
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what would the protocol be if on a budget and could only afford like 4 iu's gh a day?
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Buy the most that you can afford and divide by the number of days remaining in the year.
:D
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It's actually usually based on a significant regression model (which is almost equally as meaningless).
i'm gonna use this to sound smarter than someone in the future, thx
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hmm i dropped insulin recently all together, from some points Tbomz pointed out to me.but this thread makes me want to add it back in again. Honestly there are so many gh and slin protocols I don't know what to think of it, seems like a pain in the fucking ass and money :D
At least when you just use AAS you can live a normal life, slin was such a pain in the ass. Always worried about going hypo at work, worried about girl finding my gh in the fridge..AAS you can hide in a shoebox in your closet:)
question for BFG. Do any of the pros on stage fuck with this chinese generic gh? I know lots of guys say it's the same shit as I used 10iu for a few months myself, but I can't see guys like Cutler using red tops and blue tops with so much on the line.
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Is it safe to be shooting .5 to 1 ml of bac water into your veins?
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10+ius of HGH IV... LMAO...
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Thanks for posting BFG! A guru on this board who shall remain nameles(Tbombz) says you can get the exact same insulin like results without using insulin by just eating more carbs. What say you? I don't know if I should use the protocol you laid out, a methodical approach by a seasoned competitor. Or if I should just eat two more bananas a day and some gatorade like the resident village idiot, who shall remain nameless(Tbombz) says.
lmao :D
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nice
thanks for post
plis make the 4 month contest prep gh protocol ;)
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hmm i dropped insulin recently all together, from some points Tbomz pointed out to me.but this thread makes me want to add it back in again. Honestly there are so many gh and slin protocols I don't know what to think of it, seems like a pain in the fucking ass and money :D
At least when you just use AAS you can live a normal life, slin was such a pain in the ass. Always worried about going hypo at work, worried about girl finding my gh in the fridge..AAS you can hide in a shoebox in your closet:)
question for BFG. Do any of the pros on stage fuck with this chinese generic gh? I know lots of guys say it's the same shit as I used 10iu for a few months myself, but I can't see guys like Cutler using red tops and blue tops with so much on the line.
worry about gf find gh
fuk that , kick her out
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if arnold didnt need to do that to look like he did, i dont see why i should do these crazy shit instead of just shooting and abusing aas 8)
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if arnold didnt need to do that to look like he did, i dont see why i should do these crazy shit instead of just shooting and abusing aas 8)
amen
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if arnold didnt need to do that to look like he did, i dont see why i should do these crazy shit instead of just shooting and abusing aas 8)
these guys dont understand, thats way too clear headed for them to understand
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these guys dont understand, thats way too clear headed for them to understand
Arnold's response to dianabol was 1 in 1000. Most guys are not going to look like that on dbol bro.
Do you really see yourself competing on stage at 240 looking "like a bodybuilder" at the rate your going without using gh? Even then, there are guys with worse genetics than arnold with more muscle mass than Arnold do to gh and insulin. True it may not be real muscle :D but they are competing at 250 at 5'10 while arnold never saw anything near that. Steve kuclo was what 240 on stage at your age and height. He was actually 21 bro, a fucking KID on stage at 240 pounds hard. Now Arnold was 3 inches taller, had 6 years of training more training under him and probably had been on AAS longer, (since he was early teens), and genetics kuclo could dream of. But never did see those numbers. Stop trying to oversimplify everything, stop trying to act like slow and steady wins the race. Van flat out said that's bullshit and that 99% of guys build all their muscle in their first few years of steroids, and then remain on the same drugs for 20 years to keep what they built. Nobody grows slowly and steadily on AAS, and wakes up one day a freak. Did you see Arnold at my age? He did not grow slowly and steadily lol he was a fucking monster before he turned 20. How much bigger did he get from 21 to 27? not much at all. But since I am not arnold no..I do not think it is practical for the typical white gym rat with average genes like you and myself to look impressive aka huge and lean..on just AAS.
You also can't say this stuff about Serge, poor example. I remember gh15 saying this word for word in an OLD post.
" for 99% of white guys, it is impossible to get big while staying lean and not putting on some fat. You need the calories, dont know about you but you want those 20 30 pounds you have to eat. Secondly live and die by the scale! Nothing make you feel better than first few weeks into legit dianabol and seeing scale fly. Yes Yes Kevin grow into show but this was from many years of trial and error trial and error! Lastly you are not Kevin." something like that..
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anyone tried 100 per day??
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Arnold's response to dianabol was 1 in 1000. Most guys are not going to look like that on dbol bro.
Do you really see yourself competing on stage at 240 looking "like a bodybuilder" at the rate your going without using gh? Even then, there are guys with worse genetics than arnold with more muscle mass than Arnold do to gh and insulin. True it may not be real muscle :D but they are competing at 250 at 5'10 while arnold never saw anything near that. Steve kuclo was what 240 on stage at your age and height. He was actually 21 bro, a fucking KID on stage at 240 pounds hard. Now Arnold was 3 inches taller, had 6 years of training more training under him and probably had been on AAS longer, (since he was early teens), and genetics kuclo could dream of. But never did see those numbers. Stop trying to oversimplify everything, stop trying to act like slow and steady wins the race. Van flat out said that's bullshit and that 99% of guys build all their muscle in their first few years of steroids, and then remain on the same drugs for 20 years to keep what they built. Nobody grows slowly and steadily on AAS, and wakes up one day a freak. Did you see Arnold at my age? He did not grow slowly and steadily lol he was a fucking monster before he turned 20. How much bigger did he get from 21 to 27? not much at all. But since I am not arnold no..I do not think it is practical for the typical white gym rat with average genes like you and myself to look impressive aka huge and lean..on just AAS.
You also can't say this stuff about Serge, poor example. I remember gh15 saying this word for word in an OLD post.
" for 99% of white guys, it is impossible to get big while staying lean and not putting on some fat. You need the calories, dont know about you but you want those 20 30 pounds you have to eat. Secondly live and die by the scale! Nothing make you feel better than first few weeks into legit dianabol and seeing scale fly. Yes Yes Kevin grow into show but this was from many years of trial and error trial and error! Lastly you are not Kevin." something like that..
you completely misunderstood me.
i wasnt saying gh isnt necessary to look like the pro bodybuilders today.
i am saying that fancy drug protocols that time everything down to the minute and require complex drink mixes, IV injections, etc.. to be complete bullshit.
yes GH is needed. yes mega dosing is needed. slow and steady does win the race but you cant be slow and steady without GH and AAS abuse.
if one guy follows bfg's protocol with 1000mg test, 10iu gh, and 40iu slin.... and another guy uses 100mg test, 15iu gh, 40iu slin... doesnt matter whenever the fuck he injects it hes still going to get better results.
the timing of drug intake doesnt matter, the complexity of your drug stack doesnt matter, fancy amino acid drinks dont matter.. doseage and duration matter.
arnold ...... he had been taking handfuls of dbol from the age of 14... youd look pretty damn good if youd been doing the same.
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my bad bro... I just like provoking you to get a good response.. I know your right :)
fuck this bfg cat.
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you completely misunderstood me.
i wasnt saying gh isnt necessary to look like the pro bodybuilders today.
i am saying that fancy drug protocols that time everything down to the minute and require complex drink mixes, IV injections, etc.. to be complete bullshit.
yes GH is needed. yes mega dosing is needed. slow and steady does win the race but you cant be slow and steady without GH and AAS abuse.
if one guy follows bfg's protocol with 1000mg test, 10iu gh, and 40iu slin.... and another guy uses 100mg test, 15iu gh, 40iu slin... doesnt matter whenever the fuck he injects it hes still going to get better results.
the timing of drug intake doesnt matter, the complexity of your drug stack doesnt matter, fancy amino acid drinks dont matter.. doseage and duration matter.
arnold ...... he had been taking handfuls of dbol from the age of 14... youd look pretty damn good if youd been doing the same.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=401048.0;attach=439832;image)
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hmm i dropped insulin recently all together, from some points Tbomz pointed out to me.but this thread makes me want to add it back in again. Honestly there are so many gh and slin protocols I don't know what to think of it, seems like a pain in the fucking ass and money :D
At least when you just use AAS you can live a normal life, slin was such a pain in the ass. Always worried about going hypo at work, worried about girl finding my gh in the fridge..AAS you can hide in a shoebox in your closet:)
question for BFG. Do any of the pros on stage fuck with this chinese generic gh? I know lots of guys say it's the same shit as I used 10iu for a few months myself, but I can't see guys like Cutler using red tops and blue tops with so much on the line.
what are you crazy? lol how do you think we can afford 30-40 iu gh a day? pay americano 2000 dolaros kits? for same damn gh?
alexai is good enough for you? he use 30-40 iu kigtropin ,, looks to me better than any pharm grade americano gh
and the ifbb americana circle use lots of china gh ,,lots of nordic gh lots of kigtropin lots of hygetropin
my 2 top els cant stop talking about the kigtropin they are on ,, one of them told me he went to church wednsady and put a prayer for the source who cary it and the brand ,, i am not kidding you ,, i wish i did but i am not ,, he went to church to put a prey for the supplier and the brand ,, this is how much he like it
shoudl tell you something
gh15 approved
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Tbombs give it up bro, my friends an ifbb pro checked out this guys advice and says some of the top guys are defenitly using simuler protocols to what BFG says. Cmon bro you know a lot for a forum poster or a gymrat but your not in the same leagues as BFG, not even close, bro you've never even seen your abs ;)
Not bashing you bro, just saying 8)
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what are you crazy? lol how do you think we can afford 30-40 iu gh a day? pay americano 2000 dolaros kits? for same damn gh?
alexai is good enough for you? he use 30-40 iu kigtropin ,, looks to me better than any pharm grade americano gh
and the ifbb americana circle use lots of china gh ,,lots of nordic gh lots of kigtropin lots of hygetropin
my 2 top els cant stop talking about the kigtropin they are on ,, one of them told me he went to church wednsady and put a prayer for the source who cary it and the brand ,, i am not kidding you ,, i wish i did but i am not ,, he went to church to put a prey for the supplier and the brand ,, this is how much he like it
shoudl tell you something
gh15 approved
;D
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some questions answered....
i didnt give specific insulin dosages because that has a lot to do with individual insulin sensitivity which is dependent on experience, length of time using it, other drugs, etc. More insulin does not always yield more positive results...while 15iu of insulin will cause greater nutrient shuttling than 5iu, 40iu may not be better than 20iu. There is eventually a "glass ceiling" on its nutrient shuttling capabilities and remember what happens to the nutrients that dont get shuttled into the muscles - they get stored as fat.
i also never said the best way to use insulin is once per day. Humalog should be administered via intramuscular injection prior to most meals on training days.
I'm going to assume the comment about "eating more carbs is the same as using insulin" is sarcasm but whoever really touted that misguided belief as fact clearly knows nothing about bodybuilding, let alone human physiology.
hGH post workout should be administered IV. Your goal, when taking a large (ideally 20-30iu's) dosage of hgh immediately after resistance training is to enhance and optimize muscle protein synthesis induced anabolism. The faster, and more direct, the drug enters the bloodstream the more powerful it is. It is very easy, fast and painless and it is truly worth the results. Many pros who have switched from post workout IM to post workout IV have said the feel like 10 iu's IV = 20 iu's IM. Remember, most peer reviewed science studies you read on the effects of gh administration are giving the test subjects hgh intravenously.
whats up BFG Great post as usual glad to see a nre thread of yours can you answer 2 quick questions for me?
in the protocol you only list ONE humolg shot pre work out.. there is no post work out humolog shot administered as well either after the immediate hgh shot and before the 30 min shake? or do you do another humolog before the 60 min prior meal?
also for the dextorose when looking at product do you judge the carbs or straight sugar? example carbo force has 100 carb 15 sugar is the 10 g dextrose per 1 iu calculated off the sugar or carb count or both combined? so if u took 10iu insulin will one of these do the trick?
also can straight fruit be used in substitute dextrose or juice?
i would like to trythis protocol in the offseason so if you can take a minute to asnwer these just wana be sure I am gettin it right
Thanks !
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worry about gf find gh
fuk that , kick her out
x2
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BFG- can you clarify the use of Humulin-R? have Humulog coming but Humulin on hand.
Specifically do you take an AM dose as well? Or just pre workout? Post workout? Sorry, it didn't read clearly to me.
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good post but im curious why so many carbs? myself i have trouble saying lean when gaining, even on very clean diet, and tons of cardio from top trainer a known guy from boards. ive already put one some fat with just 1 pre-workout 8g carb per iu (5iu) pre-workout shot of humalin r
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good post but im curious why so many carbs? myself i have trouble saying lean when gaining, even on very clean diet, and tons of cardio from top trainer a known guy from boards. ive already put one some fat with just 1 pre-workout 8g carb per iu (5iu) pre-workout shot of humalin r
avoid eating fat within the window where insulin circulating in yiour bloodstream, since it will shuttle fat directly into fat tissue.
but, i assume most of your fat you put on is probably water or just some bloat? wouldn't be worried about it if your diet is really "clean" and you do a ton of cardio.
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1o0ui humulin n morning , 10ui gh am (pharma) + pm ( 10ui gh generic) for a year every day n now we ar talking
How do you not sleep all day....3iu of kigs in the am made me sleepy as shit!
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anyone tried 100 per day??
amen to that I think with out a twinkle of a doubt they where hitting 150-200mg on dbol sometimes and running the shit almost non stop. If i had to offer someone advice on how to get big the easiest after observing it for a long time. It would be buy a little test and a 1000-5000 dbols and eat them like candy.
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Ran into a guy at my gym who I had not saw in 6months. At that time he was 50yrs old, 6ft 2in probably 185 decent build, fairly lean but not built. He had not worked out at all previous to joining the gym. Today I was doing Tris and when i was done with my set I saw this dude again.
He looked different. WAY different.
Delts, full capped.
Arms, way bigger and sliced
This guy LOOKED 10 YRS YOUNGER. Glowed.
We had a chat. He's on 4iu gh and 300mgs week test cyp.
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Ran into a guy at my gym who I had not saw in 6months. At that time he was 50yrs old, 6ft 2in probably 185 decent build, fairly lean but not built. He had not worked out at all previous to joining the gym. Today I was doing Tris and when i was done with my set I saw this dude again.
He looked different. WAY different.
Delts, full capped.
Arms, way bigger and sliced
This guy LOOKED 10 YRS YOUNGER. Glowed.
We had a chat. He's on 4iu gh and 300mgs week test cyp.
So, using gh15's translation that would be 12iu gh and 900mg/wk cyp.
Nice.
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So, using gh15's translation that would be 12iu gh and 900mg/wk cyp.
Nice.
hahah Well, I know the gh dose claim is accurate but its possible he is using some eq. This bastard is veiny.
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if arnold didnt need to do that to look like he did, i dont see why i should do these crazy shit instead of just shooting and abusing aas 8)
This. That protocol is way too complicated, it surely can't be that complicated...10iu IV? Not for me. Maybe if I was going to compete onstage but I'm happy as a 6'5" 250lb gymrat.
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Ran into a guy at my gym who I had not saw in 6months. At that time he was 50yrs old, 6ft 2in probably 185 decent build, fairly lean but not built. He had not worked out at all previous to joining the gym. Today I was doing Tris and when i was done with my set I saw this dude again.
He looked different. WAY different.
Delts, full capped.
Arms, way bigger and sliced
This guy LOOKED 10 YRS YOUNGER. Glowed.
We had a chat. He's on 4iu gh and 300mgs week test cyp.
lol
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worry about gf find gh
fuk that , kick her out
lmfao
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today i did 5iu humalin r 90 mins pre-workout and no liquid carbs,,,,just used my regular meal to supply the carbs which was 10oz chicken and 8oz yams....didnt go hypo during 70 mins of weights and another 30 mins cardio,,,glucose never got below 75,,,,looks like regular carbs can be used and you dont need all the liquid carbs (for guys like me who get fat easy).
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today i did 5iu humalin r 90 mins pre-workout and no liquid carbs,,,,just used my regular meal to supply the carbs which was 10oz chicken and 8oz yams....didnt go hypo during 70 mins of weights and another 30 mins cardio,,,glucose never got below 75,,,,looks like regular carbs can be used and you dont need all the liquid carbs (for guys like me who get fat easy).
Of course, real food is far better than supplements!
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So, using gh15's translation that would be 12iu gh and 900mg/wk cyp.
Nice.
LOL, so true
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There might be some ignorant impressionable kids on here because of the truth that blindly do what is on this forum BUT the one thing that will kill you is isulin if you just dive in ,some of the stuff being suggesyed is probably best if shown to them when ready.
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There might be some ignorant impressionable kids on here because of the truth that blindly do what is on this forum BUT the one thing that will kill you is isulin if you just dive in ,some of the stuff being suggesyed is probably best if shown to them when ready.
Honesty is the key, not feat mongering!
No one is taking about diving into huge doses, nor is anyone recommending them. Slow and steady with a stack of drugs that work in tandem to increase and compound efficacy while minimizing health implications. This is always the way to go.
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yeah but should be said as precaution ,
young guys are more likely to know someone who has slin in their fridge than eg gh ,
just neded to be said it is deadly ,Not fear mongering just informing like you said :)
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10ui gh am + 10ui gh pm
50 ui lentus morning
100mcg 1gflr3 post wo ( 3 times a week )
i like it
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lol
Its even more amazing that this 50yr old man basically has only been training for a YEAR.
The last 6 months on 4 iu and 300 mg test PER WEEK.
His personality before was laid back. Now he is spazy/happy.
I was BLOWN away at how different he looked. AMAZED.
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Its even more amazing that this 50yr old man basically has only been training for a YEAR.
The last 6 months on 4 iu and 300 mg test PER WEEK.
His personality before was laid back. Now he is spazy/happy.
I was BLOWN away at how different he looked. AMAZED.
yes,, im aware of it lol,, soem of this fellas here think 5'6 fellas just wake up 220 lb7% lol they dont get the amount of drugs who go into the blood with those fellas,, the doses of hgh and insulina lol
the lies are so big the deciving is so huge ,, thats why i slander ronheris ,, thats why i slander lay nortom ,, thats why i talk so much balonie about danta and sons,, the lies are so big...you wait and see march 2012 ,, i will say whatever i think to the t ,, it will be so truthful it will make their head explode ,, but someone has to out it
gh15 approved
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hGH post workout should be administered IV this would be the must stupid thing i ever heard.
do do hgh IV never ever it will not go ind faster and HGH is not made for iv use!!
if it was it would be on the label then you buy from a pharmacy. just shoot it in the muscle.
10gram of crabs pr 1iu. way to much. i will say 5-7 a most
to much bro science on this thread
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So, using gh15's translation that would be 12iu gh and 900mg/wk cyp.
Nice.
LOL........Spot ON!!!!
War
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hGH post workout should be administered IV this would be the must stupid thing i ever heard.
do do hgh IV never ever it will not go ind faster and HGH is not made for iv use!!
if it was it would be on the label then you buy from a pharmacy. just shoot it in the muscle.
10gram of crabs pr 1iu. way to much. i will say 5-7 a most
to much bro science on this thread
1) Are you saying that something injected directly in the vein will not enter the bloodstream faster than if the same substance is injected subcutaneously?
2) hGH is meant to be injected IV.
3) Since when is bodybuilding about doing exactly what is "on the label?"
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1) Are you saying that something injected directly in the vein will not enter the bloodstream faster than if the same substance is injected subcutaneously?
2) hGH is meant to be injected IV.
3) Since when is bodybuilding about doing exactly what is "on the label?"
hgh is not "meant" to be directed iv
while it certainly would enter the bloodstream faster if injected iv than compared with other methods, effectiveness is a whole other issue.
Its a shame that such a good topic sands again in flaming and bashing. You don't have to agree with each other, thats why its a DISCUSSION form.
I especially like the subjects of injectable 17 alpha methylated oral available roids. Old scientific studies patents from Ciba shows that from the beginning Ciba patented injectable Dianabol I wrote about it here: http://juicedmuscle.com/jmblog/content/dianabolr-history-use-and-dosages
Personally I believe its only a fraction hepatotoxic compared to oral usage and even that is highly exagerated. The old Ciba research also showed that an increased metabolism (by example from using T3 increases excretion and thus decreases bioavailability)
Also the fact (?) that IV is superior to sub-q?
A detailed pamphlet on subcutaneous injections in PDF form is available from the National Institutes of Health. It provides background, detailed instructions and some useful tips. It will be particularly useful to patients who elect to self-administer any part of their therapy in this form and generally helpful to anyone who wants to understand this important delivery mechanism.
The effect of the size of the drug molecule makes a difference. Remember, we said blood capillaries are like fine tubes with very small pores through which stuff passes from the blood system into the lymph pools around cells. Drugs that are composed of small, water soluble molecules are readily taken up by the blood circulation. Larger molecules, or those that are more fat soluble, do not find it easy to get in through the fine holes in the blood capillaries. These types of drug molecules stay in the lymphatic system, gradually working their way through the many lymph nodes and the like, until they are finally returned back into the blood circulation when the lymph drains back at the junction of your jugular and subclavian veins.
Sounds interesting, right? If even a small percent of the drug travels through the lymphatic system, as opposed to the general blood circulation, you might expect to get more bang for the buck, right? Right. The second abstract below shows that subcutaneous injection is more efficient than intravenous administration, for fludarabine administration in Lupus. The efficiency of oral, IV and subcutaneous administration are, respectively, 54: 100: 105.
The formulations of the old injectables where amde of PEG and PG. Newer ones with "super solvent" Guiacogol and today with newer methods like cold solving and "wetting" I posted about it here:
http://juicedmuscle.com/showthread.php?4648-Oxy-ject&p=37811
http://juicedmuscle.com/archive/index.php/t-4249.html
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hgh is not "meant" to be directed iv
while it certainly would enter the bloodstream faster if injected iv than compared with other methods, effectiveness is a whole other issue.
Studies and NIH pamphlets get thrown out the window when we are discussing bodybuilding drug science. Try 16iu's of serostim IV and tell me it feels the same as 16iu's IM or sub-q...that is, after you wake up.
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i absolutely agree with you that real world results matter, science doesnt.
but you were making an argument for IV Gh with scientific arguments, to which i replied with scientific facts.
if you simply said "it works better this way, period."
then i wouldnt have repsonded at all, given i havent tried the two methods to compare on my own.
but i could refute you statement about trying 16iu IV vs. 16IU subq... of course the IV will knock you out and youll feel more instant effects. what matters is results over time though.
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but i could refute you statement about trying 16iu IV vs. 16IU subq... of course the IV will knock you out and youll feel more instant effects. what matters is results over time though.
Agreed and there's a reason why most competitive pros and many top amateurs are doing it this way (IV) now; it works better.