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WTF, can't believe this, one of the most beautiful cars ever created, is not mentioned:Not a musclecar...
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Not a musclecar...
And neither are the Audis, S2000s, Evos, BMWs, etc.
Musclecars were a strictly Detriot endeavor---with some being produced in Aussyland by the big three.
Not a musclecar...
And neither are the Audis, S2000s, Evos, BMWs, etc.
Musclecars were a strictly Detriot endeavor---with some being produced in Aussyland by the big three.
Corvettes are sports cars, after GIs came back from WWII they wanted the cars that they saw in England---Austin Healeys, etc. Small, light, two door, two passenger minimalist cars...great handling, etc.
Yea, I know fukin' BMW, Audi or any Japs shit ain't musclecars but I have always considered Corvette as musclecar... Guess I have to reconsider then :-\
I know this isnt a musclecar by your standards G-lean, but its a bad ass car anyway.I was gonna include the Viper with the Corvette-Viper modern day equivalent to the Shelby Cobra/Shelby Daytona...a world beater...Enzo Ferrari tried to get the Daytonas banned from racing as they were beating his 250 GTOs.
I was gonna include the Viper with the Corvette-Viper modern day equivalent to the Shelby Cobra/Shelby Daytona...a world beater...Enzo Ferrari tried to get the Daytonas banned from racing as they were beating his 250 GTOs.
Vipers were/are Corvette's main competition, as dumbass Ford didn't bring the T-bird back to what it originally was---a corvette fighter (in 1957, it was beating the Vettes in races), so Ford came out with the Ford GT...
Corvettes are sports cars, after GIs came back from WWII they wanted the cars that they saw in England---Austin Healeys, etc. Small, light, two door, two passenger minimalist cars...great handling, etc.
GM came up with the Vette, Ford came up with the Thunderbird...
By 1958, Ford abandoned the the 2 seater model, for 4 seats, Corvette soldiered on, handling and performance were the "sportscar's" forte.
Musclecars had big engines in relatively lighter (but gradually bigger) bodies---straight line perfornance was above all the King.
Engine tech was far ahead of tire and suspension tech. Styling was flamboyant, color represented that with Nicknames (Grabber, Plum), trim levels (Road Runner, Boss, etc).
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Didn't Ford already kill the GT40 program? I've seen 2 up close and they are one of the lowest stock build cars Ive ever seen. If Viper doesn't step up to the plate against the Vette ZR1, they will be left in the dust, no pun intended. Viper tries to keep things as traditional as possible when it comes to there builds. Meaning big engine, fat tires, big torque and a gas pedal. Dodge R&D needs to invest more into the traction issues the Viper has. What's the use of high HP when you can't really use it. At least from a standstill and not a race starting at 60-80 mph roll.Ford is bringing it back...the 2005 Ford GT, Ford was developing a V10 at the same time, that V10 can be found in the Shelby GR-1 concept car...upwards of 600 hp...that engine should have been put in the Ford GT.
Ford is bringing it back...the 2005 Ford GT, Ford was developing a V10 at the same time, that V10 can be found in the Shelby GR-1 concept car...upwards of 600 hp...that engine should have been put in the Ford GT.V10s just don't sound as good as a V8. Too many cylinders firing. And V12s have an exotic sound no doubt but to me the best sounding ones are V8s. The big blocks are mean as hell!
Ford had did something sneaky with the original GT, they had a show car and then said it was going to be released in 2005, they did this so that they could have the funds to produce the car.
And they set the target of the Ferrari F430---saying that the Ford could beat a Ferrari for less---albeit the
cheapest Ferrari. Ford again effs up, they had apparently either sold the name "GT40", or never really used it, because it was a nickname for the original 60s car, it was being used by another company, and that company said it was going to be XX million dollars to use the name.
The real diff between the Ford GT and the Vette ZR1 and the Viper, aside from the midengine of the Ford, is the Ford's interior was bespoked compared to the Viper or ZR1/ Z06. Viper looked like a kit car inside, Vette let's you down inside...Ford GT---it looked like a 100+k car inside...been inside one, love the switches, nice feel and weight to them.
The C7 Vette will correct that, and so will the next Viper, which will have help from Ferrari, but will keep the. V10.
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i thought the thread was named muscle cars !
i thought the thread was named muscle cars !
V10s just don't sound as good as a V8. Too many cylinders firing. And V12s have an exotic sound no doubt but to me the best sounding ones are V8s. The big blocks are mean as hell!
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I always thought the BMW Z8 roadster was tight, not very common at all.car had great look/lines,,,short lived ,,100 k plus,,,not everyday driver,battery issues ,,,same with the 850 nice look,,never took off...
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Porsche Carrera GT, Lexus LFA, Lamborghini gallardo/ Audi R8, e60 M5, even Viper, all IMO shit on V8's in sound.
Best sounding V8's to me are high revving ones from Ferrari, Audi rs4, e9x m3's, and the exception c63 amg and isf. I prefer refinement sounding cars over muscle any day. That is not sayin they don't sound good though.
Sorry man but NOTHING shits on the American big block. Not even the Lamborghini V12 which makes me melt at the knees.
In regards to power, you're correct... Where Euro cars always win is the handling.where as the asians are the best as they stole the best of both worlds, european and american. :D
American cars do not go around curves very well.
In regards to power, you're correct... Where Euro cars always win is the handling.
American cars do not go around curves very well.
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May I add:
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It took a while but these three prove that American cars can be fast at the track, not just the strip.
I doubt that.
I've not driven the new Boss, but I'm sure it doesn't do very well. They're still using the same suspension as the GT, which sucks.
You were saying... ::)
Laguna Seca Lap Times:
2012 Boss 302 LS: 1:39.50
2009 Audi R8 V10: 1:40.20
2008 Nissan GTR: 1:40.45
2010 Mercedes SLS AMG: 1:40.74
Here's the full list.
1. Dodge Viper SRT-10 ACR 1:33.92 138 '08 600 / 1536 Chris Winkler
2. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Z07 Package 1:34.43 137 '11 512 / 1394 Motor Trend
3. Devon GTX 1:35.08 136 0 659 / 0 Devon
4. Porsche 911 GT2 RS 1:35.56 136 '10 620 / 1370 Excellence
5. Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 1:35.80 135 '08 647 / 1530 Motor Trend
6. Ferrari 458 Italia 1:36.22 135 '09 570 / 1485 Motor Trend
7. Nissan GT-R 1:36.35 135 '11 530 / 1736 Motor Trend
8. Lexus LF-A 1:36.39 135 '10 560 / 1609 Motor Trend
9. Audi R8 GT 1:36.39 135 '10 560 / 1520 Motor Trend
10. Porsche 911 GT3 RS 1:36.77 134 '10 450 / 1400 Motor Trend
11. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Z07 Package 1:37.40 133 '11 512 / 1394 Motor Trend
12. Porsche 911 Turbo 1:37.80 133 '09 500 / 1570 Car and Driver
13. Mercedes SLS AMG 1:38.82 131 '10 571 / 1620 Motor Trend
14. Ford Mustang Boss 302 LS 1:39.50 130 '12 446 / 1573 Road and Track
And that is the LS edition (Laguna Seca) Which is not the 302 Boss.
Which includes a standard Torsen limited-slip rear differential, and revised suspension tuning.
So, that's a different animal than the 302 Boss.
In bold, I have highlighted the more current models of the cars you say the Mustang 302 Boss was dominating.
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You missed the point entirely. You claim it will suck. It's a very competitive car, especially for the price. Find a car in that $ range that will beat it.
I guess it depends on the cost.
If the rumor is true and it's 40k, then sure, but I doubt it will be that cheap to be honest.
Not sure what the US cost is, but up here in Canada the loaded Boss (non laguna Seca) MSRP's for around $52,000. Some delaers are juicing the MSRP's on the Lagunas a bit.
If that's the case, then you are looking at upwards of 60,000 for the LS I'm sure. That's close to GTR range as well as Corvette Z06 range here in the US.
It's relative... If you can get the LS for under 50K US, then sure... it's a great deal.
Up here we pay way more than that for GTR's and Z06's, even when our dollar is at par. We're just lucky that way.
The GTR MSRP is around 90K, but I've seen people get them for 75.
The Z06 is 75K MSRP, but I've seen people get into them for 65K.
It's it's definitely dependent of a few things.
But you're right, at 60K even, it's not a bad deal.
Sorry man but NOTHING shits on the American big block. Not even the Lamborghini V12 which makes me melt at the knees.
It's all subjective. Those cars do nothing for me. I'm more about refinement, high rev, sophisticated engineering. Anyone can stuff a big motor and go fast in a striaght line. There's more to a car than that. Thats my preference.
But American cars of today for the most part have improved and are different like the caddys and the srt8 300c, but you can see the European influence. From a whole "car," standpoint euros/germans build a better car. They built an "overall," better car. You just got to drive them to understand that everything feels right. From the chassis, suspension, to steering, they are perfect. You just gotta be a car guy. I don't feel American cars, sure cars like 302 boss, zo6, acr vipers can lap laps fast, but they don't "feel" right to me. Hard to explain.
Euros > American
Euros are all in one, like an athlete in a classy suit!
I agree except for the Caddy and the ZR1.
Those cars are absolutely on part with anything put out by the Euros or Japanese
It's all subjective. Those cars do nothing for me. I'm more about refinement, high rev, sophisticated engineering. Anyone can stuff a big motor and go fast in a striaght line. There's more to a car than that. Thats my preference.
But American cars of today for the most part have improved and are different like the caddys and the srt8 300c, but you can see the European influence. From a whole "car," standpoint euros/germans build a better car. They built an "overall," better car. You just got to drive them to understand that everything feels right. From the chassis, suspension, to steering, they are perfect. You just gotta be a car guy. I don't feel American cars, sure cars like 302 boss, zo6, acr vipers can lap laps fast, but they don't "feel" right to me. Hard to explain.
Euros > American
Euros are all in one, like an athlete in a classy suit!
I agree except for the Caddy and the ZR1.
Those cars are absolutely on part with anything put out by the Euros or Japanese
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ever ride in a GS90? Will eat Vipers, etc for breakfast! This one is a '95...fast as hell! Owner/builder let me drive it!
Yea, I know fukin' BMW, Audi or any Japs shit ain't musclecars but I have always considered Corvette as musclecar... Guess I have to reconsider then :-\
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From yesterday.
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V6 = fail
I doubt that.
I've not driven the new Boss, but I'm sure it doesn't do very well. They're still using the same suspension as the GT, which sucks.
A 305 HP V6 there dude. NA to boot.
Think about this.
The stock Mustang 5.0 in 1995 only put out 240.
The Cobra with the 351 only put out 300HP.
This V6 puts out as much horsepower as a V8 did 15 years ago... I think that says something about the technology of where the V6 has gone.
I'm sure your car is nicer... Does it make your penis feel bigger now?
Some valid points, I simply find irony in one who tries to knock a new Boss 302 for its handling, which you've never driven, claiming that Mustangs suck, yet you drive a very heavy much lesser handling and performing car with a V6. The new Mustang is a superior performer to the Challenger, regardless of variant. But people have there own tastes.
And yes, my car is nicer. ;D
A v6 just simply can't be considered a muscle car
So is mine.
That car was a rental, but that's neither here nor there.
Had you asked me my opinion on the challenger I would have told you all of the problems it has.
Instead you decided to "get me" with the fact it's a V6.
That's getbig for you.
Why not?
My car is not a muscle car. But then I drive imports.
There is a Porsche in this thread and it's a turbo charged flat 6.
Anyone going to say it doesn't have enough muscle?
I find your basis for what is and isn't muscle to be suspect.
That V6 has more horsepower than the 351 cobra 15 years ago but that would be ok in this thread also.
And how much torque does it have?? A 6 cylinder is closer to a sports car than a muscle car
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All the way gay
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So is mine.
That car was a rental, but that's neither here nor there.
Had you asked me my opinion on the challenger I would have told you all of the problems it has.
Instead you decided to "get me" with the fact it's a V6.
That's getbig for you.
Why not?
My car is not a muscle car. But then I drive imports.
There is a Porsche in this thread and it's a turbo charged flat 6.
Anyone going to say it doesn't have enough muscle?
I find your basis for what is and isn't muscle to be suspect.
That V6 has more horsepower than the 351 cobra 15 years ago but that would be ok in this thread also.
No, the V6 Challenger is not a muscle car, and here's why. By nature, the V8 is associated with a muscle car. Regardless of output of the V6, there will be a more powerful V8 variant available, which is considered the muscle car. The Challenger is a land yacht, so a 300 HP V6 is not going to impress by today's standards. You're trying to compare today's V6 output vs V8's from 15 years ago as justification to call a v6 a muscle car. Standards change and so long as the a V8 is an option, the V6 is just the poor man's, or secretaries version by most definitions. And no, the Porsche is not a muscle car either, it's a sports car.
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Daimler-Benz has discontinued the Maybach.
Really?Bad news for Rick Ross, no more "Maybach Music" :'(
That's bad news for street view :(
Daimler-Benz has discontinued the Maybach.
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Hi guys.. probably last view of cool cars from streets of SP... hope you enjoyed :'( :'(
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That's an Americano car :-\
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Lol at automatic shift... the owner should learn how to drive first.
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Lol at automatic shift... the owner should learn how to drive first.
Oops!!
any MOPAR lovers out there? These all belonged to my friend. Because of the RICO statutes, every single one of them were confiscated...in all hehad around 60 original numbers matching hemi rag challengers, pistol grip 'hemi 'cudas, you name it...B bodies as well, chargers, super bees, road runners...etc here's just a few. Enjoy!
Modern MuscleMan, they should learn when to quit. Those pics of the Challengers with the Superbird/Daytona Charger wings don't look good at all! :-[
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This is very cool for Mercedes... straight from SP of course:
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