Getbig.com: American Bodybuilding, Fitness and Figure
Getbig Main Boards => Politics and Political Issues Board => Topic started by: Benny B on December 02, 2011, 06:45:00 AM
-
I wholeheartedly endorse this man to be the nominee of the repube party. Go Newt, go! You're in first place now...you've got Willard squirming!
Newt Gingrich expands on his support for child labor
The Republican presidential front-runner says 'really poor children in really poor neighborhoods have no habits of working and nobody around them who works' to earn money — 'unless it's illegal.'
By Paul West, Washington Bureau
December 1, 2011
Reporting from Johnston, Iowa
Doubling down on a plan that stirred controversy about his views on child labor, leading Republican presidential contender Newt Gingrich said Thursday that poor kids have no habit of earning money "unless it's illegal" and should be put to work in their schools.
At a party fundraising dinner in the Des Moines suburbs, the former House speaker launched into a defense of his proposal to teach the nation's poorest children the connection between "showing up" and earning money — by putting them to work in their schools in the country's poorest neighborhoods.
"I believe the kids could mop the floor and clean up the bathroom and get paid for it, and it would be OK," he said to applause.
Gingrich said, mockingly, that those on the left would oppose his idea because it might prompt the children to earn more money and eventually escape poverty, "and then who would rich liberals worry about?"
Earlier in the day, Gingrich offered more explosive rhetoric on the subject. During a meeting with Nationwide Insurance employees in Des Moines, he was asked to clarify his views on child labor laws, which he recently described as "truly stupid."
"Really poor children in really poor neighborhoods have no habits of working and nobody around them who works," Gingrich replied. "So they literally have no habit of showing up on Monday. They have no habit of staying all day. They have no habit of 'I do this and you give me cash,' unless it's illegal."
He said he favored putting children to work in paid jobs at the schools they attend "as early as is reasonable and practical."
Gingrich initially drew criticism for the idea after an appearance at Harvard last month, when he promised "extraordinarily radical proposals" to change America's "culture of poverty," such as allowing children as young as 9 to replace adult janitors at schools.
As he campaigned in Iowa on Thursday, Gingrich also outlined what he described as a rethinking of his candidacy, "sobered," he said, by the realization that he was emerging as a favorite to win his party's nomination.
"The longer I have thought about the very real possibility that I might have to serve, the more I realize that we have to clean up the Congress" as well as the executive branch, Gingrich said at the party dinner.
He said he had come to the realization that he would need to run "an American campaign," not merely a Republican one. And in an apparent reference to the need to diversify the GOP beyond its overwhelmingly white base, he said his campaign would be "open to people of every background."
"You and I know that is going to make some of our friends very uncomfortable," Gingrich said. But "if we truly want to rebuild America, we have to be prepared to make some of our friends very uncomfortable." The remark drew only a smattering of applause from the Polk County Republican crowd of 450, described by one dinner speaker as a mix of social moderates and conservatives.
The former speaker delivered a tongue-in-cheek warning to those who, he said, might be thinking about volunteering for his campaign, stating: "I have a passionate dedication to the work ethic."
Speaking to reporters after his dinner speech, Gingrich said he found his swift rise in the polls "disorienting," adding: "This is such a rapid change that we are having to rethink our own internal operations right now and where we are."
He said that as recently as two weeks ago, he would have not given such a sweeping speech about the future.
"Given where we are, I think this is the right stage setting to start saying to people, 'This is what a Gingrich presidency would look like. This is how really different it would be,'" he said.
-
And what is exactly wrong with this? Instead of being brought up expecting a handout from cradle to grave, kids can learn that hard work is rewarded. I started working at 12 years old on my Uncles cotton farm, and I'm not even black ;)
-
Maybe if your ghetto self would have worked from a younger age you would not be the lazy, shiftless, crack dealer slangin rock and bustin 40's at 10 am on the stoop.
-
-
Fuck the half breed piece of shit Benny. Destroy this thread :)
-
Okay, but how young are we talking about?
-
1) I agree with newt that kids need to be working
2) If Obama was the one saying this, repubs would be crying "leave my kids alone, I iwll teach them about the value of work...."
-
Okay, but how young are we talking about?
I think anyone would agree that a 5-10 year old or so probably shouldnt be working. They could though be instilled with work ethic. Taking out the trash, cleaning the erase board, sweeping the classroom, etc. That teaches responsibility and gives a sense of pride in your work. I would venture that starting at 5th grade, paying a 11-12 year old $10-$20 a week to just clean up the bathrooms, take out the trash, etc. would start kids on the right track. Give them 30 minutes at the end of the day, each day, to do these tasks. I'm sure cleaning companies do it now, so this could actually save schools money and instill good ethics in children. Benny---you fail as usual.
-
1) I agree with newt that kids need to be working
2) If Obama was the one saying this, repubs would be crying "leave my kids alone, I iwll teach them about the value of work...."
His brats will never work a day in their lives - just like him. A family a grifters and tax vacuums.
-
The more I hear from Newt, the more I like him.
Thanks Benny, i wasnt a big Newt fan before, but the more I read, the more I like him.
-
His brats will never work a day in their lives - just like him. A family a grifters and tax vacuums.
they'll work. they'll graduate Yale or Harvard and be laywers. they'll have the good life, but so do the kids of most rich ppl.
-
I wholeheartedly endorse this man to be the nominee of the repube party. Go Newt, go! You're in first place now...you've got Willard squirming!
Newt Gingrich expands on his support for child labor
The Republican presidential front-runner says 'really poor children in really poor neighborhoods have no habits of working and nobody around them who works' to earn money — 'unless it's illegal.'
By Paul West, Washington Bureau
December 1, 2011
Reporting from Johnston, Iowa
Doubling down on a plan that stirred controversy about his views on child labor, leading Republican presidential contender Newt Gingrich said Thursday that poor kids have no habit of earning money "unless it's illegal" and should be put to work in their schools.
At a party fundraising dinner in the Des Moines suburbs, the former House speaker launched into a defense of his proposal to teach the nation's poorest children the connection between "showing up" and earning money — by putting them to work in their schools in the country's poorest neighborhoods.
"I believe the kids could mop the floor and clean up the bathroom and get paid for it, and it would be OK," he said to applause.
Gingrich said, mockingly, that those on the left would oppose his idea because it might prompt the children to earn more money and eventually escape poverty, "and then who would rich liberals worry about?"
Earlier in the day, Gingrich offered more explosive rhetoric on the subject. During a meeting with Nationwide Insurance employees in Des Moines, he was asked to clarify his views on child labor laws, which he recently described as "truly stupid."
"Really poor children in really poor neighborhoods have no habits of working and nobody around them who works," Gingrich replied. "So they literally have no habit of showing up on Monday. They have no habit of staying all day. They have no habit of 'I do this and you give me cash,' unless it's illegal."
He said he favored putting children to work in paid jobs at the schools they attend "as early as is reasonable and practical."
Gingrich initially drew criticism for the idea after an appearance at Harvard last month, when he promised "extraordinarily radical proposals" to change America's "culture of poverty," such as allowing children as young as 9 to replace adult janitors at schools.
As he campaigned in Iowa on Thursday, Gingrich also outlined what he described as a rethinking of his candidacy, "sobered," he said, by the realization that he was emerging as a favorite to win his party's nomination.
"The longer I have thought about the very real possibility that I might have to serve, the more I realize that we have to clean up the Congress" as well as the executive branch, Gingrich said at the party dinner.
He said he had come to the realization that he would need to run "an American campaign," not merely a Republican one. And in an apparent reference to the need to diversify the GOP beyond its overwhelmingly white base, he said his campaign would be "open to people of every background."
"You and I know that is going to make some of our friends very uncomfortable," Gingrich said. But "if we truly want to rebuild America, we have to be prepared to make some of our friends very uncomfortable." The remark drew only a smattering of applause from the Polk County Republican crowd of 450, described by one dinner speaker as a mix of social moderates and conservatives.
The former speaker delivered a tongue-in-cheek warning to those who, he said, might be thinking about volunteering for his campaign, stating: "I have a passionate dedication to the work ethic."
Speaking to reporters after his dinner speech, Gingrich said he found his swift rise in the polls "disorienting," adding: "This is such a rapid change that we are having to rethink our own internal operations right now and where we are."
He said that as recently as two weeks ago, he would have not given such a sweeping speech about the future.
"Given where we are, I think this is the right stage setting to start saying to people, 'This is what a Gingrich presidency would look like. This is how really different it would be,'" he said.
Must be trying to lose on purpose
-
The more I hear from Newt, the more I like him.
Thanks Benny, i wasnt a big Newt fan before, but the more I read, the more I like him.
hahaha
Priceless! ;D
-
1) I agree with newt that kids need to be working
2) If Obama was the one saying this, repubs would be crying "leave my kids alone, I iwll teach them about the value of work...."
very much true..Newt's the type of mean-spirited guy who would say child porn is acceptable because at least the kids are working :)
-
very much true..Newt's the type of mean-spirited guy who would say child porn is acceptable because at least the kids are working :)
hahahahahhaha
-
I can see it now, my Nikes made in America, by child labor, but hey, it's "made in the US", and only costs 1.00 per shoe.
-
Ice-T vs New-T
-
Giving children a challenging and rewarding educational experience while they are living within a two parent household would contribute far more than arming them with brooms and mops. If children in our schools are to work, than it should be unpaid, and rotated on a weekly basis as a minor additional duty in school(similar to what the military does). Rather, government ties funding to graduation rates, making more and more children less competitive as course work is constantly being dumbed down.
Lightening the criminal code which disproportionately affects the very base that Newt is talking about would go much further rather than sending a parent, brother, uncle, relative, friend, income-earner to prison for holding a sack of weed. Anti-discriminatory law needs to be expanded to those with criminal backgrounds (minus severe violent crimes and crimes against children).
One thing that is being done right is the rapidly progressing of the fostering and adoption programs. These have come a long way and have turned what are otherwise children who are hopeless into big contributors to society.
-
they'll work. they'll graduate Yale or Harvard and be laywers. they'll have the good life, but so do the kids of most rich ppl.
with really low grades no doubt
-
with really low grades no doubt
What were Obama's grades at Occidental, Columbia, and Harvard?
BTW - his little one looks like Aunt Jemiaema in the making.
-
What were Obama's grades at Occidental, Columbia, and Harvard?
BTW - his little one looks like Aunt Jemiaema in the making.
ha...your racism always get the best of you when you are under pressure and looking alike a fool
-
Interesting....all four black guys, I assume you actually all are, are the only ones who have a problem with this and I know I have seen at least one of you talk about more whites being on welfare than blacks. Put them all to to work... ghetto thugs and trailer park dwelling trash too. Seeing it as a racial issue says more about how you view your race than anything else.
oh, and of course 240 has to turn it into a repub/obama type of thing.... ::) ;D
-
ha...your racism always get the best of you when you are under pressure and looking alike a fool
What is racist about asking about obamas grades?
-
Interesting....all four black guys, I assume you actually all are, are the only ones who have a problem with this and I know I have seen at least one of you talk about more whites being on welfare than blacks. Put them all to to work... ghetto thugs and trailer park dwelling trash too. Seeing it as a racial issue says more about how you view your race than anything else.
oh, and of course 240 has to turn it into a repub/obama type of thing.... ::) ;D
Agreed - get the leg irons out and put these people on farms to work in the sweltering heat. Kick out the illegals and make the thugs till the fields, milk the cows, etc.
-
Interesting....all four black guys, I assume you actually all are, are the only ones who have a problem with this and I know I have seen at least one of you talk about more whites being on welfare than blacks. Put them all to to work... ghetto thugs and trailer park dwelling trash too. Seeing it as a racial issue says more about how you view your race than anything else.
oh, and of course 240 has to turn it into a repub/obama type of thing.... ::) ;D
again..I can invert that statement....why do all the white guys on here support it????......I don't know much about who is black on here but the problem is Newt doesn't care about black children...he and other Repubs NEVER discuss black issues period and NEVER even visit black neighborhoods....Newt cares more about using kids to bust up the custodians unions
-
What is racist about asking about obamas grades?
I guess u unconsciously wrote the Aunt Jemima remark huh?
-
Agreed - get the leg irons out and put these people on farms to work in the sweltering heat. Kick out the illegals and make the thugs till the fields, milk the cows, etc.
just like they did in the good ole days right Massa? ::)
-
I guess u unconsciously wrote the Aunt Jemima remark huh?
Oh that? I was restraining myself actually.
-
again..I can invert that statement....why do all the white guys on here support it????......I don't know much about who is black on here but the problem is Newt doesn't care about black children...he and other Repubs NEVER discuss black issues period and NEVER even visit black neighborhoods....Newt cares more about using kids to bust up the custodians unions
But again, you see it as a racial issue when there are more whites on welfare than blacks so why not put them ALL to work? Race has ZERO to do with it.
And as far as your "inversion" how about this....maybe most of the white guys on here were raised to expect an honest days pay from an honest days work and not that the govt should be taking care of them? We can play this all day...
-
just like they did in the good ole days right Massa? ::)
Definately. And the thugs should go through this daily.
-
But again, you see it as a racial issue when there are more whites on welfare than blacks so why not put them ALL to work? Race has ZERO to do with it.
And as far as your "inversion" how about this....maybe most of the white guys on here were raised to expect an honest days pay from an honest days work and not that the govt should be taking care of them? We can play this all day...
NEWS BULLETIN....blacks were brought up the same way....take away the wealth of whites and watch how fast their crime rate and welfare stats go up........
however you are right..we can play this game all day....but I never brought race into this thread..you did
-
Definately. And the thugs should go through this daily.
I always loved this movie
-
But again, you see it as a racial issue when there are more whites on welfare than blacks so why not put them ALL to work? Race has ZERO to do with it.
And as far as your "inversion" how about this....maybe most of the white guys on here were raised to expect an honest days pay from an honest days work and not that the govt should be taking care of them? We can play this all day...
Playa Lovas Andre and Benny and the others dont understand that.
-
NEWS BULLETIN....blacks were brought up the same way....take away the wealth of whites and watch how fast their crime rate and welfare stats go up........
however you are right..we can play this game all day....but I never brought race into this thread..you did
I know I brought up race, because of what I said. The only ones who have a problem with this, based on who has posted in this thread all just happen to be black ::) Yet, by your account, blacks and whites are raised the exact same way? I didn't grow up "wealthy" (in fact many grew up below the poverty line and didn't even know it where I grew up) and neither did many of the people I grew up around, yet a much smaller percentage turned to crime or are dependent on the govt for living. Why is that if we were "brought up the same way?"
-
I know I brought up race, because of what I said. The only ones who have a problem with this, based on who has posted in this thread all just happen to be black ::) Yet, by your account, blacks and whites are raised the exact same way? I didn't grow up "wealthy" (in fact many grew up below the poverty line and didn't even know it where I grew up) and neither did many of the people I grew up around, yet a much smaller percentage turned to crime or are dependent on the govt for living. Why is that if we were "brought up the same way?"
Because the reality is much different than our collective upbringings...Blacks are brought up to respect the law, get a job and work your way up to where you want to be in your career....but the reality is that many get diverted by whats going on in the street, lack of role models, and discrimination even when they choose to do the right thing......
not making excuses,,,just stating the reality
-
Because the reality is much different than our collective upbringings...Blacks are brought up to respect the law, get a job and work your way up to where you want to be in your career....but the reality is that many get diverted by whats going on in the street, lack of role models, and discrimination even when they choose to do the right thing......
not making excuses,,,just stating the reality
-
Because the reality is much different than our collective upbringings... Blacks are brought up to respect the law, get a job and work your way up to where you want to be in your career....but the reality is that many get diverted by whats going on in the street, lack of role models, and discrimination even when they choose to do the right thing......
not making excuses,,,just stating the reality
Wow.. Just wow.
The fact that you go on about race, and then try and make blanket statements about blacks and whites...
You realize if a white man said that shit, youd call him racist, right?
Lol.
Epic failure.
-
Wow.. Just wow.
The fact that you go on about race, and then try and make blanket statements about blacks and whites...
You realize if a white man said that shit, youd call him racist, right?
Lol.
Epic failure.
no...actually I'd call him truthful..the point trying to be conveyed here is that blacks (and whites for that matter) are not BROUGHT UP to commit crimes, and not work....but often the things going on around them in their environment cause them to do other wise..I've never seen any parent say "okay Johnny..go out, commit crimes and don't work...just collect welfare"
-
What were Obama's grades at Occidental, Columbia, and Harvard?
BTW - his little one looks like Aunt Jemiaema in the making.
Wow, you've reached a new low....talking about Obama's children. ::)
-
when i was a teacher, we had very minimal janitor staff, so i had the kids clean the room every day at the end of the day.
just like they clean their room at home, just like they wash their dishes after they eat, just like they mow the grass of the yard they play in every day.
they were the ones messing up the classroom - and they're LESS likely to mess it up (or more likely to clean as they go) when they know they'll be hitting that mess at 2:50 each day anyway.
-
http://timesfreepress.com/news/2011/dec/04/deja-vu/?opinioncartoons
-
"I believe the kids could mop the floor and clean up the bathroom and get paid for it, and it would be OK," he said to applause.
Shit, this is exactly what we need.
Maybe Benny, if you had mopped floors as a child and learned a work ethic, you wouldn't be mopping floors today.
-
Shit, this is exactly what we need.
Maybe Benny, if you had mopped floors as a child and learned a work ethic, you wouldn't be mopping floors today.
Lol. Benny posts from Rikers. I'm sure he mops the floors there as well.
-
I thought going to school WAS the job of children?
Am I the only one who sees that 8 hours of school is a job?
-
I thought going to school WAS the job of children?
Am I the only one who sees that 8 hours of school is a job?
Where is live these kids start at 8 and get out at 2 and have a lunch. Etc.
-
Where is live these kids start at 8 and get out at 2 and have a lunch. Etc.
Where I live they start at 8 and get out after 3.
1/2 hour for lunch.
Still even if it's 7 hours or so... That's a job.
Newt is being stupid here... Going to school IS their job.
-
again..I can invert that statement....why do all the white guys on here support it????......I don't know much about who is black on here but the problem is Newt doesn't care about black children...he and other Repubs NEVER discuss black issues period and NEVER even visit black neighborhoods....Newt cares more about using kids to bust up the custodians unions
You mean like dead beat dads, mothers with multiple children from multiple fathers, drug addiction, crime, education?
You see its not the govt job to give you special rights or assistance. Its the govts job to provide a level playing field which it does.
Its the black leaders and the black community that needs to address the black problems. Instead they turn a blind eye to them and blame their problems on others.
-
You mean like dead beat dads, mothers with multiple children from multiple fathers, drug addiction, crime, education?
You see its not the govt job to give you special rights or assistance. Its the govts job to provide a level playing field which it does.
Its the black leaders and the black community that needs to address the black problems. Instead they turn a blind eye to them and blame their problems on others.
I don't get your point here but my point is that Newt and other Republicans do NOT represent all the people..they seldom go into black or Hispanic neighborhoods and talk to them yet they make pronouncements about whats best for the community
-
I don't get your point here but my point is that Newt and other Republicans do NOT represent all the people..they seldom go into black or Hispanic neighborhoods and talk to them yet they make pronouncements about whats best for the community
Why should they? Blacks dont want to hear about self responsibility and hard work. Any time anyone mentions it they get called rasis.
-
Hey, having poor kids cleaning up the shit and piss in the bathrooms of their more well-to-do classmates - what could be a better training for their life to come?
The school counselor could spent her time interviewing 30 dirt-poor inner-city kids for the school's janitorial opening.
Then again, for many kids school is nothing more than a babysitting facility that their parents send them to in hopes it does a better job of raising them than they can provide because they are too lazy or just uninterested in trying. If these public schools down here are any indication, then it seems that over half the kids in them don't give a shit about learning anything in the first place. They do nothing but get in the way of the students who do. So maybe some of them do need to find a job while in school for no other reason than because after school they are just going to be on welfare or disability anyway.
-
Hey, having poor kids cleaning up the shit and piss in the bathrooms of their more well-to-do classmates - what could be a better training for their life to come?
great point. I read a cool Q earlier.... someone should ask trump and newt (with all their business experience) how many poor black kids they've employed over the years.
I remember trump choosing that sweaty kissass Bill on the season 1 of APprentice, over Kwami, who was way more qualified and did way better in competitions.
-
great point. I read a cool Q earlier.... someone should ask trump and newt (with all their business experience) how many poor black kids they've employed over the years.
I remember trump choosing that sweaty kissass Bill on the season 1 of APprentice, over Kwami, who was way more qualified and did way better in competitions.
beautiful point