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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: Ontheway on December 03, 2011, 08:22:55 AM
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Ok I am totally clueless... Here are two pics...
First one from August... strict diet and workout EOD.... 250mg Enanthate a week and fatburners from GNC type of shop.
(http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q286/tisol01/IMG_0462.jpg)
88kg and feeling OK... I am comfortable with shape etc... I am not here to discuss genetics etc... I felt in great shape and the testo was basically to keep me floating and full of energy...
Then I started with 6iu HGH ED (except weekends). Norditropin from pharmacy (source unquestionable...) Kept the testo.
This is taken today... Nothing has changed... I actually feel worst than before... Last eight weeks I have changed the Enanthate to 100mg Propionate EOD and still 6iu HGH ED... I have even noticed that my midsection has flattened out, actually got wider somehow... and basically I am holding much more water... Diet stricter then ever and I have even added some mild diuretics last two weeks. More cardio as well...
(http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q286/tisol01/IMG_0964.jpg)
Once again i am no body builder, I am just a gym rat looking to stay in good shape on the beach and in suit... What I have understood only HGH and testo is enough to give you some noticeable changes... According to sources here, after some weeks already... Hair and nail growth, fatloss... But actually despite the fact that I am stricter than ever, and working harder than ever... the only thing I see is what I mentioned before, I am worst of. Wider middsection, bloating, and holding water.
As I said before I have no clue, the HGH is from pharmacy. It is as pure as possible. I am lost....
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Dude you look really bloated and as if you go and train Only your obliques directly for an hr in the gym.... I hope someone chimes in that can really diagnose this... Also 6iu at your development is alot but i doubt that matters. Just for future reference. Sorry man i hope someone can help you do look better in pic 1
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I am lost... Really.
I have totally stopped doing abs at the moment and I do more and more cardio... But as you see my development is getting worst. Not that I have ever been a body builder... But even as a gymrat I start to suck.
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There's almost a 100% guarantee there's insulin in your gh.
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Meaning?
It is from pharmacy, it can´t even be bunk... Same as the attached pic...
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-mADgO7nHgfo/TgcA3nVS2MI/AAAAAAAADXU/ZL904fb213E/s1600/1.jpeg)
I did start out with one Kigtropin, but I found it very questionable, and since it is this thing.
Even though visually the change is not that big around my midsection, pants that fell off before, now sometimes they are even hard to button... Almost as if my inner has grown....
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Actually for that last pic I had a hard time contracting and holding in my abs...
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Actually for that last pic I had a hard time contracting and holding in my abs...
That's exactly what a symptom of insulin abuse looks and feels like. Odd bloating, distention, discomfort. Even pharm grade stuff can be bunk/ fake.
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That's exactly what a symptom of insulin abuse looks and feels like. Odd bloating, distention, discomfort. Even pharm grade stuff can be bunk/ fake.
yeah, dude. you are just bloated. how many carbs are you eating a day? growth hormone causes lipolysis but it doesn't burn the free fatty acids that get released, so if you aren't actually running other steroids with it to help keep lean (250 test doesn't even count) once you get a natural insulin spike it will redeposit the fat back into your bodyfat and probably as visceral fat.
run some:
tren or,
dnp
problem solved
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Is there some way to test for insulin???
Should I also run it for HCG?
I am on a very low carb and low fat diet... Without going into it too much... I also feel that from certain food types I get like a ball! Pregnant... but lately almost from anything... Empty stomach does look ok... but at the end of the day I cant even contract my abs...
Although I did search a bit and bloating and moonface, water retention do seem to be HGH related sides for some people.
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you are definitely bloated, i don't think it's water retention. either you aren't used to the all protein diet and whatever you are eating is giving you bad gas or it's not passing through your intestines very well without the fats and carbs so you have bulk in your intestines distending your stomach. i don't know, i don't think hgh is the sole culprit something else is contributing. maybe those shitty gnc supplements are giving you bad gas? i have no idea what else you are doing.
it's not permanent if that's what you're worried about. distended stomachs are never permanent, usually bloat combined with visceral fat accumulation. intestinal growth is a myth
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IT IS NOT YOUR DIET, BUT MORE THAN LIKELY IT IS INSULIN NOT GH. I WANTED TO SAY THAT EARLIER BUT U SAID IT IS PHARM GRADE, IDK HOW OFTEN THEY FAKE IT THERE, BUT THAT IS NOT GH. GH WOULD WORK ON YOUR SHOULDERS MORE, AND GIVE YOU MORE UPPER TOP BODY FULLNESS. I SEE A SLIN GUT HERE.
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this is bunk gh ,, not legit gh in vial,, im not going to go to what iin it but its not gh ,, you dont buy the mixed gh from sources only pharma where you can garentee it go from fridge to fridge ,, never the less not legit gh ,,the kigtropin you had...who is the source? there are bunk kigtropin around that are fakes,, you need legit kigtropin ,, this is over all what make fellas thik gh is not magic when they see what you just posted with this 2 pictures of you using BUNK gh,,and you can hav eall the sides effect almost of gh and for it stil be bunk,,
pm me names of sources
gh15 approved
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yeah, dude. you are just bloated. how many carbs are you eating a day? growth hormone causes lipolysis but it doesn't burn the free fatty acids that get released, so if you aren't actually running other steroids with it to help keep lean (250 test doesn't even count) once you get a natural insulin spike it will redeposit the fat back into your bodyfat and probably as visceral fat.
run some:
tren or,
dnp
problem solved
no the gh he use = bunk,, dont give him other things it is the gh and only the gh which is not gh
gh15 approved
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IT IS NOT YOUR DIET, BUT MORE THAN LIKELY IT IS INSULIN NOT GH. I WANTED TO SAY THAT EARLIER BUT U SAID IT IS PHARM GRADE, IDK HOW OFTEN THEY FAKE IT THERE, BUT THAT IS NOT GH. GH WOULD WORK ON YOUR SHOULDERS MORE, AND GIVE YOU MORE UPPER TOP BODY FULLNESS. I SEE A SLIN GUT HERE.
gh after 4 months!! would get him big time 3 dimentional delts pecs arms veins would be poping like maniac in harlem americana ,, 4 months is long long time especilay on pharm grade,, fucking 2 week on legit gh = what i just said even if on 5 iu ,, on 10 iu it happen within 2-3 day
he use bunk gh most likley filler with anti duretic might be insulina too ,, but filler with no gh in it no acitve gh maybe couple ius but the actual gh in it the number who need be in the vial is not existant
gh15 approved
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YA U CAN JUST TELL ITS NOT GH BY THE SHOULDERS, THATS THE FIRST SIGN.
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As I live in Eastern Europe, there is a little hard to give you the source.. It will not do anything. I think at least, but thanks GH15 for the proposal...
With the last bunch I actually went along to the pharmacy (backdoor), I saw the guy take it out from the pharmacy´s fridge (these vials), sealed in paper boxes as manufactured by Novo Nordisk... They went straight into a freezer bag and home to my fridge. OK I can´t tell how they got there...
Theoretically it should be the same as the ones you get when having them prescribed... The cartridges go into a pen and you shoot with that. But I just use an insulin needle to subtract the right amount...
Is there some way to test them? HCG I will see immediately, but Insulin??? Or IGF???
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You are starting to develop gh gut so i think it's legit.
You look less fuller due to diet, insulin insensitivity by gh usage and less response to test due to long time usage.
You have lost conditioning due to estrogen build-up from test and maybe from the gh.
Do you use any kind of anti-estrogen?
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No anti-estrogen... only some Nolva when I start to feel that my nipples are sore... But as it goes away I stop.
BUT: I have been cruising on 250mg test a week for tha past two years. I have been using that as a kind of base only building on it for 8weeks with tren or winny and getting a bit more cut. Then I would stop the "extras" and continue only with the test. Maybe stupid thing to do but it worked until now...
With the added GH, when I only wanted to feel a bit younger and more cut I start to loose conditioning every day... Also IF I start to develop GH gut wouldn´t I at least see some muscular development besides my intestines growing???
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Around here only a few bodybuilders use gh due to price. And the ones o do are on the 6-8iu mark. They use it mainly for cutting, steroids give all the mass.
A friend of mine recently tried gh and within days at 2iu got leanner everyday. Then he bumped to 4iu for a few weeks and 6iu every other day. He got very lean but in terms of size nothing happened. Steroid use was keept the same. Maybe protocol lenght was to short (only a 100iu bottle) to show results.
As anti estrogen grab some masteron or proviron.
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Smell It, but as u have not had real GH you don't know the real smell of GH. But Gh has a weird smell or taste.
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That shit is romanian lol,never trust romanian gh bro,you can try dbol naps by ranbaxy,good stuff,test,but to buy gh from romania.not a good idea son ::)
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It is Romanian... :) You could by Hungarian as well but the authorities here slammed down on every pharmacy and doctor that handed out prescription HGH... It is really controlled... So then you have to go trough the border to get it... But the pharmacy is legit... But is is Romanian... :)
Personally I believe it is a lot harder to make a fake Norditropin cartridge with all the small details, than a vial of Kigtropin with a blue printed top on... I compared it to the Norditropin from Austria, looks the same but the Austrian stuff is a lot more expensive... even though you can buy it prescription free...
OK it is Eastern Europe so even pharmacies will go lengths to earn some extra cash, but I have personally done everything I can to verify the authenticity!
All people tell me that changes on GH will take time... months... It is a slow and expensive process until it hits... But reading this forum some will swear that GH change is almost instantaneous and you can see it from the first day... So who the hell to believe? But after 4 months and worse condition than before you get weird...
Could it be the testo insensitivity menti0ned above?? But fuck my stomach looks like a turtles back! and I am flat overall!
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Did you get CTS or any other sides?
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you guys are all dead wrong 8)
the HGH is good, notice in the second picture that he has the HGH "abs". His abs look like a turtle shell just like they are supposed to with HGH.
your problem is that your steroid dosage is WAY too fucking low.
250-300mg of roids a week won't put any more muscle on you, hgh or not
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you guys are all dead wrong 8)
the HGH is good, notice in the second picture that he has the HGH "abs". His abs look like a turtle shell just like they are supposed to with HGH.
your problem is that your steroid dosage is WAY too fucking low.
250-300mg of roids a week won't put any more muscle on you, hgh or not
Even then Stavios, he should have put at least some mass don't you think ?
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lol ,, hgh tutle abs,, intresting lol
hgh is bunk ,, this is not how legit hgh work ,, hgh changes happen from minute number 1,, you dont sit after 4 months look exactly same no matter what,, there is no such thing as hgh gut ,, it is insulina with hgh and lots of food that create the gut mainly insulina added to hgh that push food into everywhere as in push FATTT into the musce and the gut love it ,,
the gh used here is bunk ,, aka no legit gh
gh15 approved
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lol ,, hgh tutle abs,, intresting lol
hgh is bunk ,, this is not how legit hgh work ,, hgh changes happen from minute number 1,, you dont sit after 4 months look exactly same no matter what,, there is no such thing as hgh gut ,, it is insulina with hgh and lots of food that create the gut mainly insulina added to hgh that push food into everywhere as in push FATTT into the musce and the gut love it ,,
the gh used here is bunk ,, aka no legit gh
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yeah but he takes 250mg-300mg of roids a week, he can't get much bigger than that even with HGH no ?
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IT IS NOT YOUR DIET, BUT MORE THAN LIKELY IT IS INSULIN NOT GH. I WANTED TO SAY THAT EARLIER BUT U SAID IT IS PHARM GRADE, IDK HOW OFTEN THEY FAKE IT THERE, BUT THAT IS NOT GH. GH WOULD WORK ON YOUR SHOULDERS MORE, AND GIVE YOU MORE UPPER TOP BODY FULLNESS. I SEE A SLIN GUT HERE.
but wouldn't he feel faint/hypoglycemic-like symptoms if it was insulin?
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yeah but he takes 250mg-300mg of roids a week, he can't get much bigger than that even with HGH no ?
250-500 mg a week testosterona and 5-6 iu legit gh can put you 190-200lb 7% 5'10 if dedicate consistant bodybuild,, ofcourse trenbolona will make you much better condition and give more lean muscle but you can be 190lb over all 7% on 300-500 mg testosterona and 6 iu legit gh a day
gh15 approved
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GH 15
what about 500-600 test only with 15-20IU GH?? what wight will be that..
I'm all about modreat Test and high GH
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what about 500-600 test only with 15-20IU GH?? what wight will be that..
I'm all about modreat Test and high GH
;D
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i've said it before and i've said it again
HGH does NOT ... DOES NOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT TTTT CAUSE THE GUTS !!!!!!
IT WILL MAKE U LEAAAANERRRRRRRR AS IN SMALLER WAIST
PUT IN INSULINA AT A GOOD DOSE AND YOU HAVE YOUR GUT
;)
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So whats the conclusion this fella has bunk gh? Or is he using slin instead.....
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If gh doesn't cause internal organs to grow howcome every guy i know that starts using gh get's the "turtle abs", even when insulin is out of the game.
Around here bodybuilders started using gh circa 2001 and ALL of them developed the gut. Some more some less.
Nowadays with the cheap chinese gh every 150lbs guy is on it, so is his gut.
Insulin might agravate the problem but i can't say it is the main culprit.
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Because they eat huge meals maybe?Or maybe they eat more than they need to?Gh15 explained that today's pros who have no gut are very carefull with eating.
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Only been on it 8 months at 10-15 iu, but gh SUCKED in my gut and made the abs more delineated. I started insulin 3 weeks ago and if I pushed it up to 15iu 3x a day my gut bloated out BAD. So I pulled back the dose and only use pre or postworkout at 10-15iu.
It's the insulin that causes the guts. If someone isn't on insulin then they either have something going on with diabetes or the gh they're taking has insulin in it (which is why a lot of ppl report hypo symptoms on gh).
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I am truly sorry to hear this. My question is, while you say that your GH is direct from the pharmacy, are you the one who picked it up? If not, then I would assume at this point that the GH is bunk. In fact, I would assume it is bunk even if you yourself picked it up from the pharmacy.
I have personally been on real GH for only 8 days @ 5 iu a day, and I felt it the evening of day 1, and I am noticing changes to my physique quite literally by the day (no exaggeration). I am on kigs. I realize that kigs are very favorable on this board right now, but I am not on them due any mob mentality- rather a completely isolated event led me to take them (roommate going abroad and leaving me over 100 iu).
Having said that, I want to express my anger towards whoever burned you. NOTHING short of the abuse of children and animals and the trafficking of children where i am from gets me as disgusted as a scumbag selling a bunk product, because I view that act of terror as its own form of the abuse of another living creature.
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lol,, legit gh is the secret behind bodybuild friends lol i try to explain it in so many way,, fellas tlel 6 month 12 months,, tell they dont see thing,, ofcourse they tell it they want all for themslves or have no clue about bodybuild and are nto bodybuild only drug addict who use some gh with theri cocaino,, the main thing with stuff that is injected into blood...mix in water,, a medicine...that injected into blood wethe i m or sq it go into blood....and it effect is IMMEDIATE! ,, YOU DONT WAIT NO 10 DAY FOR GH TO WORK...IT WORK FIRST FUCKIN SECOND IN BLOOD,, WITH GOOD LEGIT PHARM GRADE GH YOU PUT IT IN TO BLOOD AND WHILE YOU PUT IT IN !! YOU ALREADY CAN SENSE TINGLING IN THE FEET AND HANDS AS IN SLIGHT CURPEL TUNEL ,,YOU CAN FEEL IT WHILE PRESSING THE NEEDLE INTO THE BLOOD! and this curpel tunel wont be strong or over way too strong,, it will be just enough to notice ,,minimal
with legit gh injected into blood you pass by the mirror look to the right and you dont need to go back to look ,, you see the tricep BULDGE! you see the line enhnced,, you see everyrthing going out 3 dimentional ,, you dont go back to miror and play imagine,, you see it with your glases on or off ,, it is there and you see it while midsection get smaller,, sudenly your testosterona doses dotn make you look boofy and too full,, sudenly the testoterona doesnt make your veins disapear....why? becaue hgh > testosterona,,
i keep teling you hgh everything! in bodybuild,,the bodybuild FIGHT ON HGH,, they buy and buy and buy ,, they dont mention it to anyone ,, they say 500 mg of testosterona while in reality they are on all you can eat gh bufet that never stop
gh15 approved
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so you mean it should be injected I.V. and not under fat? Maybe that is the problem???
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No dude dont do IV. Do it IM in your deltoids.