Experience with HGH (past 4 months...) Nothing... Clueless...

[Ontheway]

Ok I am totally clueless... Here are two pics...

First one from August... strict diet and workout EOD.... 250mg Enanthate a week and fatburners from GNC type of shop.



88kg and feeling OK... I am comfortable with shape etc... I am not here to discuss genetics etc... I felt in great shape and the testo was basically to keep me floating and full of energy...

Then I started with 6iu HGH ED (except weekends). Norditropin from pharmacy (source unquestionable...) Kept the testo.

This is taken today... Nothing has changed... I actually feel worst than before... Last eight weeks I have changed the Enanthate to 100mg Propionate EOD and still 6iu HGH ED... I have even noticed that my midsection has flattened out, actually got wider somehow... and basically I am holding much more water... Diet stricter then ever and I have even added some mild diuretics last two weeks. More cardio as well...



Once again i am no body builder, I am just a gym rat looking to stay in good shape on the beach and in suit... What I have understood only HGH and testo is enough to give you some noticeable changes... According to sources here, after some weeks already... Hair and nail growth, fatloss... But actually despite the fact that I am stricter than ever, and working harder than ever... the only thing I see is what I mentioned before, I am worst of. Wider middsection, bloating, and holding water.

As I said before I have no clue, the HGH is from pharmacy. It is as pure as possible. I am lost....

[Max B]

Dude you look really bloated and as if you go and train Only your obliques directly for an hr in the gym.... I hope someone chimes in that can really diagnose this... Also 6iu at your development is alot but i doubt that matters. Just for future reference. Sorry man i hope someone can help you do look better in pic 1

[Ontheway]

I am lost... Really.

I have totally stopped doing abs at the moment and I do more and more cardio... But as you see my development is getting worst. Not that I have ever been a body builder... But even as a gymrat I start to suck.

[Rearden Metal]

There's almost a 100% guarantee there's insulin in your gh.

[Ontheway]

Meaning?

It is from pharmacy, it can´t even be bunk... Same as the attached pic...



I did start out with one Kigtropin, but I found it very questionable, and since it is this thing.

Even though visually the change is not that big around my midsection, pants that fell off before, now sometimes they are even hard to button... Almost as if my inner has grown....

[Ontheway]

Actually for that last pic I had a hard time contracting and holding in my abs...

[Rearden Metal]

Actually for that last pic I had a hard time contracting and holding in my abs...

That's exactly what a symptom of insulin abuse looks and feels like. Odd bloating, distention, discomfort. Even pharm grade stuff can be bunk/ fake.

[aesthetics]

That's exactly what a symptom of insulin abuse looks and feels like. Odd bloating, distention, discomfort. Even pharm grade stuff can be bunk/ fake.

yeah, dude. you are just bloated. how many carbs are you eating a day? growth hormone causes lipolysis but it doesn't burn the free fatty acids that get released, so if you aren't actually running other steroids with it to help keep lean (250 test doesn't even count) once you get a natural insulin spike it will redeposit the fat back into your bodyfat and probably as visceral fat.

run some:
tren or,
dnp

problem solved

[Ontheway]

Is there some way to test for insulin???

Should I also run it for HCG?

I am on a very low carb and low fat diet... Without going into it too much... I also feel that from certain food types I get like a ball! Pregnant... but lately almost from anything... Empty stomach does look ok... but at the end of the day I cant even contract my abs...

Although I did search a bit and bloating and moonface, water retention do seem to be HGH related sides for some people.

 

[aesthetics]

you are definitely bloated, i don't think it's water retention. either you aren't used to the all protein diet and whatever you are eating is giving you bad gas or it's not passing through your intestines very well without the fats and carbs so you have bulk in your intestines distending your stomach. i don't know, i don't think hgh is the sole culprit something else is contributing. maybe those shitty gnc supplements are giving you bad gas? i have no idea what else you are doing.

it's not permanent if that's what you're worried about. distended stomachs are never permanent, usually bloat combined with visceral fat accumulation. intestinal growth is a myth

[nosleep]

IT IS NOT YOUR DIET, BUT MORE THAN LIKELY IT IS INSULIN NOT GH. I WANTED TO SAY THAT EARLIER BUT U SAID IT IS PHARM GRADE, IDK HOW OFTEN THEY FAKE IT THERE, BUT THAT IS NOT GH. GH WOULD WORK ON YOUR SHOULDERS MORE, AND GIVE YOU MORE UPPER TOP BODY FULLNESS. I SEE A SLIN GUT HERE.

[gh15]

this is bunk gh ,, not legit gh in vial,, im not going to go to what iin it but its not gh ,,  you dont buy the mixed gh from sources only pharma where you can garentee it go from fridge to fridge ,, never the less not legit gh ,,the kigtropin you had...who is the source? there are bunk kigtropin around that are fakes,, you need legit kigtropin ,, this is over all what make fellas thik gh is not magic when they see what you just posted with this 2 pictures of you using BUNK gh,,and you can hav eall the sides effect almost of gh and for it stil be bunk,,

pm me names of sources

gh15 approved

[gh15]

yeah, dude. you are just bloated. how many carbs are you eating a day? growth hormone causes lipolysis but it doesn't burn the free fatty acids that get released, so if you aren't actually running other steroids with it to help keep lean (250 test doesn't even count) once you get a natural insulin spike it will redeposit the fat back into your bodyfat and probably as visceral fat.

run some:
tren or,
dnp

problem solved

no the gh he use = bunk,, dont give him other things it is the gh and only the gh which is not gh

gh15 approved

[gh15]

IT IS NOT YOUR DIET, BUT MORE THAN LIKELY IT IS INSULIN NOT GH. I WANTED TO SAY THAT EARLIER BUT U SAID IT IS PHARM GRADE, IDK HOW OFTEN THEY FAKE IT THERE, BUT THAT IS NOT GH. GH WOULD WORK ON YOUR SHOULDERS MORE, AND GIVE YOU MORE UPPER TOP BODY FULLNESS. I SEE A SLIN GUT HERE.

gh after 4 months!! would get him big time 3 dimentional delts pecs arms veins would be poping like maniac in harlem americana ,, 4 months is long long time especilay on pharm grade,, fucking 2 week on legit gh = what i just said even if on 5 iu ,, on 10 iu it happen within 2-3 day

he use bunk gh most likley filler with anti duretic might be insulina too ,, but filler with no gh in it no acitve gh maybe couple ius but the actual gh in it the number who need be in the vial is not existant

gh15 approved

[nosleep]

YA U CAN JUST TELL ITS NOT GH BY THE SHOULDERS, THATS THE FIRST SIGN.

[Ontheway]

As I live in Eastern Europe, there is a little hard to give you the source.. It will not do anything. I think at least, but thanks GH15 for the proposal...

With the last bunch I actually went along to the pharmacy (backdoor), I saw the guy take it out from the pharmacy´s fridge (these vials), sealed in paper boxes as manufactured by Novo Nordisk... They went straight into a freezer bag and home to my fridge. OK I can´t tell how they got there...

Theoretically it should be the same as the ones you get when having them prescribed... The cartridges go into a pen and you shoot with that. But I just use an insulin needle to subtract the right amount...

Is there some way to test them? HCG I will see immediately, but Insulin??? Or IGF???

[falco]

You are starting to develop gh gut so i think it's legit.
You look less fuller due to diet, insulin insensitivity by gh usage and less response to test due to long time usage.
You have lost conditioning due to estrogen build-up from test and maybe from the gh.
Do you use any kind of anti-estrogen?

[Ontheway]

No anti-estrogen... only some Nolva when I start to feel that my nipples are sore... But as it goes away I stop.

BUT: I have been cruising on 250mg test a week for tha past two years. I have been using that as a kind of base only building on it for 8weeks with tren or winny and getting a bit more cut. Then I would stop the "extras" and continue only with the test. Maybe stupid thing to do but it worked until now...

With the added GH, when I only wanted to feel a bit younger and more cut I start to loose conditioning every day... Also IF I start to develop GH gut wouldn´t I at least see some muscular development besides my intestines growing???

[falco]

Around here only a few bodybuilders use gh due to price. And the ones o do are on the 6-8iu mark. They use it mainly for cutting, steroids give all the mass.
A friend of mine recently tried gh and within days at 2iu got leanner everyday. Then he bumped to 4iu for a few weeks and 6iu every other day. He got very lean but in terms of size nothing happened. Steroid use was keept the same. Maybe protocol lenght was to short (only a 100iu bottle) to show results.
As anti estrogen grab some masteron or proviron. 

[e.coli]

Smell It, but as u have not had real GH you don't know the real smell of GH. But Gh has a weird smell or taste.

[ChevChelios]

That shit is romanian lol,never trust romanian gh bro,you can try dbol naps by ranbaxy,good stuff,test,but to buy gh from romania.not a good idea son 

[Ontheway]

It is Romanian... You could by Hungarian as well but the authorities here slammed down on every pharmacy and doctor that handed out prescription HGH... It is really controlled... So then you have to go trough the border to get it... But the pharmacy is legit... But is is Romanian...

Personally I believe it is a lot harder to make a fake Norditropin cartridge with all the small details, than a vial of Kigtropin with a blue printed top on... I compared it to the Norditropin from Austria, looks the same but the Austrian stuff is a lot more expensive... even though you can buy it prescription free...

OK it is Eastern Europe so even pharmacies will go lengths to earn some extra cash, but I have personally done everything I can to verify the authenticity!

All people tell me that changes on GH will take time... months... It is a slow and expensive process until it hits... But reading this forum some will swear that GH change is almost instantaneous and you can see it from the first day... So who the hell to believe? But after 4 months and worse condition than before you get weird...

Could it be the testo insensitivity menti0ned above?? But fuck my stomach looks like a turtles back! and I am flat overall!

[Swlabr]

Did you get CTS or any other sides?

[Stavios]

you guys are all dead wrong 

the HGH is good, notice in the second picture that he has the HGH "abs". His abs look like a turtle shell just like they are supposed to with HGH.

your problem is that your steroid dosage is WAY too fucking low.

250-300mg of roids a week won't put any more muscle on you, hgh or not

[Siimply]

you guys are all dead wrong 

the HGH is good, notice in the second picture that he has the HGH "abs". His abs look like a turtle shell just like they are supposed to with HGH.

your problem is that your steroid dosage is WAY too fucking low.

250-300mg of roids a week won't put any more muscle on you, hgh or not

Even then Stavios, he should have put at least some mass don't you think ?