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A lot of people with shitty genes have being posting pictures wanting to be a pro bodybuilder and you have a lot of getbiggers living in wonderland who think they are the next big pro so I am going to give you a reality check and take you back to planet earth.
Take a look in the mirror, if you do not have wide shoulders but you have a small waist and small joints then you have a chance like a phil heath, if you are a blocky guy but you have wide shoulders and low lat insertions then you a chance like a jay cutler, if you have wide shoulders and a small waist you have a chance like a sergio oliva. If you do not look anything like what I just mention then just forget about being a pro bodybuilder you are wasting your time, if you do then lets look at the next thing.
Do you store bodyfat every easily and do you naturally have a smooth look then you are going to have a hard time getting in shape for a contest you are going to have to use some extreme measures that could fuck you up permanently or even kill you to have the required look to be a pro.
Are you naturally muscular do you lose bodyfat easily then taking the right products you will have the look required to be a pro. I know that gh15 fill up your heads with crap that taking quality products can make you pro but that is a load of horseshit if you do not have the genes and shape you can take all the drugs in the world and you will never be a pro if you do not believe me ask dave palumbo.
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I fukked your mom..................... .......................(again)
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A lot of people with shitty genes have being posting pictures wanting to be a pro bodybuilder and you have a lot of getbiggers living in wonderland who think they are the next big pro so I am going to give you a reality check and take you back to planet earth.
Take a look in the mirror, if you do not have wide shoulders but you have a small waist and small joints then you have a chance like a phil heath, if you are a blocky guy but you have wide shoulders and low lat insertions then you a chance like a jay cutler, if you have wide shoulders and a small waist you have a chance like a sergio oliva. If you do not look anything like what I just mention then just forget about being a pro bodybuilder you are wasting your time, if you do then lets look at the next thing.
Do you store bodyfat every easily and do you naturally have a smooth look then you are going to have a hard time getting in shape for a contest you are going to have to use some extreme measures that could fuck you up permanently or even kill you to have the required look to be a pro.
Are you naturally muscular do you lose bodyfat easily then taking the right products you will have the look required to be a pro. I know that gh15 fill up your heads with crap that taking quality products can make you pro but that is a load of horseshit if you do not have the genes and shape you can take all the drugs in the world and you will never be a pro if you do not believe me ask dave palumbo.
Good post.
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I fukked your mom..................... .......................(again)
well i have a dog called mad old mike or mom for short, the dog has being acting strange lately i hope this is the last time you will be fucking him please go get a human.
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LOL.Asking dave palumbo ::)
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What it takes? legit products ;)
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GH15's Cell Phone Number ;D
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A lot of people with shitty genes have being posting pictures wanting to be a pro bodybuilder and you have a lot of getbiggers living in wonderland who think they are the next big pro so I am going to give you a reality check and take you back to planet earth.
Take a look in the mirror, if you do not have wide shoulders but you have a small waist and small joints then you have a chance like a phil heath, if you are a blocky guy but you have wide shoulders and low lat insertions then you a chance like a jay cutler, if you have wide shoulders and a small waist you have a chance like a sergio oliva. If you do not look anything like what I just mention then just forget about being a pro bodybuilder you are wasting your time, if you do then lets look at the next thing.
Do you store bodyfat every easily and do you naturally have a smooth look then you are going to have a hard time getting in shape for a contest you are going to have to use some extreme measures that could fuck you up permanently or even kill you to have the required look to be a pro.
Are you naturally muscular do you lose bodyfat easily then taking the right products you will have the look required to be a pro. I know that gh15 fill up your heads with crap that taking quality products can make you pro but that is a load of horseshit if you do not have the genes and shape you can take all the drugs in the world and you will never be a pro if you do not believe me ask dave palumbo.
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Very good post but in my opinion half true...we all see guys when they are off and retired from the bodybuilding looking average, but when they competed in the IFBB Pro ranks did they did good. Many bodybuilders struggled without very good genetics and became very good IFBB Pro bodybuilders, NJ's own Rich Gaspari was one.
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Very good post but in my opinion half true...we all see guys when they are off and retired from the bodybuilding looking average, but when they competed in the IFBB Pro ranks did they did good. Many bodybuilders struggled without very good genetics and became very good IFBB Pro bodybuilders, NJ's own Rich Gaspari was one.
I think response to hormones and being able to withstand the amount of drugs needed is important as well. But you gotta have something to work with too.
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Very good post but in my opinion half true...we all see guys when they are off and retired from the bodybuilding looking average, but when they competed in the IFBB Pro ranks did they did good. Many bodybuilders struggled without very good genetics and became very good IFBB Pro bodybuilders, NJ's own Rich Gaspari was one.
That is true they look average when they come off, but my point was that the average looking dude with great natural shape and the genes would be a pro, but if you do not have the natural shape and genes drugs alone will not help you. guys like gaspari are exceptions not the norm he has the ability to get into unreal condition when completing so although his genes where not great, condition helped him to be a pro.
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That is true they look average when they come off, but my point was that the average looking dude with great natural shape and the genes would be a pro, but if you do not have the natural shape and genes drugs alone will not help you. guys like gaspari are exceptions not the norm he has the ability to get into unreal condition when completing so although his genes where not great, condition helped him to be a pro.
and a lot of other stuff a lot,,,,,
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i thought you were going to lay out your polished G4P routine
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You're a fag.
Hope this helps.
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"Big" Dan Hill.................... .......end of thread!
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That is true they look average when they come off, but my point was that the average looking dude with great natural shape and the genes would be a pro, but if you do not have the natural shape and genes drugs alone will not help you. guys like gaspari are exceptions not the norm he has the ability to get into unreal condition when completing so although his genes where not great, condition helped him to be a pro.
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Very good point!
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He may be someone's gimmick I dunno, but I think "the trainer" is a good poster...
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A lot of people with shitty genes have being posting pictures wanting to be a pro bodybuilder and you have a lot of getbiggers living in wonderland who think they are the next big pro so I am going to give you a reality check and take you back to planet earth.
Take a look in the mirror, if you do not have wide shoulders but you have a small waist and small joints then you have a chance like a phil heath, if you are a blocky guy but you have wide shoulders and low lat insertions then you a chance like a jay cutler, if you have wide shoulders and a small waist you have a chance like a sergio oliva. If you do not look anything like what I just mention then just forget about being a pro bodybuilder you are wasting your time, if you do then lets look at the next thing.
Do you store bodyfat every easily and do you naturally have a smooth look then you are going to have a hard time getting in shape for a contest you are going to have to use some extreme measures that could fuck you up permanently or even kill you to have the required look to be a pro.
Are you naturally muscular do you lose bodyfat easily then taking the right products you will have the look required to be a pro. I know that gh15 fill up your heads with crap that taking quality products can make you pro but that is a load of horseshit if you do not have the genes and shape you can take all the drugs in the world and you will never be a pro if you do not believe me ask dave palumbo.
I agree with this thread! GH15 will ruin your guys wallets. it dosn't matter how much gear or HGH you use. if you dont have a insane natural foundation it will not happen. you will know by the age of 16 if you have what it takes. plus you have to be naturally very strong! HGh and steroids do not add that much strength maybe 10-20% on some lifts. they will kake you look a bit more muscular but not nearly enough to be a pro. I will say this nnot to be a racist but african americans run professional sports wether its basketball,football, baseball, bodybuilding african americans have a easier time putting on muscle and responding to gear. for some reason affrican americans are born with better tendond, joints and ligaments. look how high most of them can jump. and look at how they can easily get 6-8 packs some african americans are born with 6 packs! They definately have an advantage in any sport. Its the bodybuilding knowledge they lack I see so many afrcian americans who come in the gym who are real lean but have those tendons that can handle alot of weight guys who can bench 275pds and weigh 160pds. with a shitty non existent diet. so many Mr.O's are out there but they just don't have interest in bodybuilding or using HGH and steroids. lots of ronnie colemans and phil heaths out there if not better just not interested in being a bodybuilder as it is a lifestyle most do not want to live. If you want to be a Bodybuilder you almost have to have live the lifestyle and it means eating properly, getting the right amount of sleep, training your ass off till almost the point of tears, and then the drug aspect multiple daily injections it gets to be a sickness and even then you dont make much money. its nice to have a great physique and get some women and stick out in the gym but becomming a top tier pro is extremely hard. people assume bodybuilders are dimwits and not smart but the truth is the best bodybuilders are very smart guys. very smart. you have to be.Real top tier bodybuilders are not idiots! very smart people.tehy have bodybuilding down to a science. also think about the cost before you start out on your dream of becoming a pro.food, HGH, steroids, tanning, gym memborships, massages, accupuncture, gurus. it gets expensive.
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^I really wanna read this but I just can't
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Whitewhidow is just plain dumb... You fucking moron,you say 10-20%?I saw guys going from 200 lbs bench press to 260 with 40 dbol a day and some shitty test.So where is your 10-20%?I went from 230 naturally on bench press to 310 after couple of months of 500 mg trenbologna and some test added.So where is your 10-20% you lying douchebag?
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maybe in 1980 ::) this is generation nothingness. hard work and genetics don't mean shit. Insulina is the name of the game
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It's very simple really.. Provding you have the time, funds, health, age and a steady diet on your side it comes down to this:
The shape you have in the first place and how you respond to the drugs.
If you got a moderate shape and respond well you have a chance, If you have a good shape and respond moderatly you have a chance also.. If you have both then you have the best chance.
Shape = height, bone structure, muscle shape, joint size etc
Drug response = the amount it takes to enlarge what you got and how well you tolerate its effects/sides
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i thought you were going to lay out your polished G4P routine
look i am just being real, when you go on stage to pose you know there are all kind of people watching you including gay dudes, so if a guy wants to pay you for a private posing session you are just doing private guest posing who cares what his sexual orientation is you are just doing your job.
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A lot of people with shitty genes have being posting pictures wanting to be a pro bodybuilder and you have a lot of getbiggers living in wonderland who think they are the next big pro so I am going to give you a reality check and take you back to planet earth.
Take a look in the mirror, if you do not have wide shoulders but you have a small waist and small joints then you have a chance like a phil heath, if you are a blocky guy but you have wide shoulders and low lat insertions then you a chance like a jay cutler, if you have wide shoulders and a small waist you have a chance like a sergio oliva. If you do not look anything like what I just mention then just forget about being a pro bodybuilder you are wasting your time, if you do then lets look at the next thing.
Do you store bodyfat every easily and do you naturally have a smooth look then you are going to have a hard time getting in shape for a contest you are going to have to use some extreme measures that could fuck you up permanently or even kill you to have the required look to be a pro.
Are you naturally muscular do you lose bodyfat easily then taking the right products you will have the look required to be a pro. I know that gh15 fill up your heads with crap that taking quality products can make you pro but that is a load of horseshit if you do not have the genes and shape you can take all the drugs in the world and you will never be a pro if you do not believe me ask dave palumbo.
i neevr say you dont hav eto have good base,, but i can show you plenty with good base that never pass 165lb and moment they dont walk in gymmasium they disapear into ,, well they look like they never touhc weight in life time,, and they are 5'10!
gh15 approved
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Most important thing: genetics to response terrificly to gear.....(right gh15 ?)
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"Big" Dan Hill.................... .......end of thread!
In Dans case sometimes its pure luck you look like shit but you enter a contest where the competitors look worse than you so you end up getting a pro card put you will not place in a pro contest thats for sure.
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I agree with this thread! GH15 will ruin your guys wallets. it dosn't matter how much gear or HGH you use. if you dont have a insane natural foundation it will not happen. you will know by the age of 16 if you have what it takes. plus you have to be naturally very strong! HGh and steroids do not add that much strength maybe 10-20% on some lifts. they will kake you look a bit more muscular but not nearly enough to be a pro. I will say this nnot to be a racist but african americans run professional sports wether its basketball,football, baseball, bodybuilding african americans have a easier time putting on muscle and responding to gear. for some reason affrican americans are born with better tendond, joints and ligaments. look how high most of them can jump. and look at how they can easily get 6-8 packs some african americans are born with 6 packs! They definately have an advantage in any sport. Its the bodybuilding knowledge they lack I see so many afrcian americans who come in the gym who are real lean but have those tendons that can handle alot of weight guys who can bench 275pds and weigh 160pds. with a shitty non existent diet. so many Mr.O's are out there but they just don't have interest in bodybuilding or using HGH and steroids. lots of ronnie colemans and phil heaths out there if not better just not interested in being a bodybuilder as it is a lifestyle most do not want to live. If you want to be a Bodybuilder you almost have to have live the lifestyle and it means eating properly, getting the right amount of sleep, training your ass off till almost the point of tears, and then the drug aspect multiple daily injections it gets to be a sickness and even then you dont make much money. its nice to have a great physique and get some women and stick out in the gym but becomming a top tier pro is extremely hard. people assume bodybuilders are dimwits and not smart but the truth is the best bodybuilders are very smart guys. very smart. you have to be.Real top tier bodybuilders are not idiots! very smart people.tehy have bodybuilding down to a science. also think about the cost before you start out on your dream of becoming a pro.food, HGH, steroids, tanning, gym memborships, massages, accupuncture, gurus. it gets expensive.
actualy ,, i save them money ,, i save them time,, i save them using the search engne ,, i save them headache,, i save them bresak ups ,, i save them lies,, i save them so many things you cant even start counting how many things i save them because you wont have space to put it here,, i save them everything needed ,, i also mention! you do need to be consistant and have good founation ,, i keep say this! i say milion time you need to respond well to hormone,, but! with out legit product you can forget about it ,, legit product nand high enough dose,, ,
i can asure you if you have someone like strngo behind you ...yo will get prety far in bodybuild,, but strngo can not put genetic respond in you he didnt create you he is nto your mama and dada,, fellas like nordic can bring you to the river ....it is YOUR JOB AND RESPONSIBILITY to have what it take ,, those fellas can nto train for you and are not your training partner they dont know you ,, they suply you with the right material and its up to you to get from point a to point c if you stop in point b it is usual your fault
gh15 approved
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Most important thing: genetics to response terrificly to gear.....(right gh15 ?)
combo,,
legit product,,
respond to hormone,,
consistancy,,
you can have the bestest respodn in the al wide world,, but if you inject oil in you ir inject some balonie insted of legit gh you will get absolitly no where beside fighting with your girl and making your a miserble fella
you can have all the legit hormone in the world and respond very well but....if you are not consistant,, if you go to gymmasium once a wekk becuae you say ...oh my gh is so good it will grow me even when i watch kredishisn with my whore,, you will nto get to profesional level period,,consistancy is somehting impoortant,,
as i wrote above the combo of all this will result in the final presentation fo you as bodybuild
gh15 approved
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genetics to respond, genetics to be clever enough to get quality gear, genetics to be consistent, genetics to be consistent, genetics to have a boring life for some years...... ;D
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In Dans case sometimes its pure luck you look like shit but you enter a contest where the competitors look worse than you so you end up getting a pro card put you will not place in a pro contest thats for sure.
Agreed!
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i neevr say you dont hav eto have good base,, but i can show you plenty with good base that never pass 165lb and moment they dont walk in gymmasium they disapear into ,, well they look like they never touhc weight in life time,, and they are 5'10!
gh15 approved
that is not true anybody with good genes even if you do not respond well to roids can easily pass 165lb and everybody knows you shrink when you come off so that is not a big deal.
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that is not true anybody with good genes even if you do not respond well to roids can easily pass 165lb and everybody knows you shrink when you come off so that is not a big deal.
on hormones yes anyone can esily pass 165,, im talking condition and on stage numbers ofocurse,,the reason they pass 165 condition is the hormones not the genetic,, genetic is relay something that is nto understood well ,, to me good genetic mean being 6'3 6;4 daddy waddy is good genetic,, frame that is broad...this is god genetic,, all the muscle insetion balonie...it is important but not as much as genetic respond to hormones ,, the respond! is what mater ,, your genetic before ....doesnt matter , , see mustaf he look like someone who never touch weight in his all life,, many other examples,, genetic get you no where unless you have the respond ,, the ability to tolerate high dose of diff drugs,, the consistancy and ofcoure....the legit products
gh15 approved
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actualy ,, i save them money ,, i save them time,, i save them using the search engne ,, i save them headache,, i save them bresak ups ,, i save them lies,, i save them so many things you cant even start counting how many things i save them because you wont have space to put it here,, i save them everything needed ,, i also mention! you do need to be consistant and have good founation ,, i keep say this! i say milion time you need to respond well to hormone,, but! with out legit product you can forget about it ,, legit product nand high enough dose,, ,
i can asure you if you have someone like strngo behind you ...yo will get prety far in bodybuild,, but strngo can not put genetic respond in you he didnt create you he is nto your mama and dada,, fellas like nordic can bring you to the river ....it is YOUR JOB AND RESPONSIBILITY to have what it take ,, those fellas can nto train for you and are not your training partner they dont know you ,, they suply you with the right material and its up to you to get from point a to point c if you stop in point b it is usual your fault
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This, excellent post.
You guys get critical of gh15 when he posts things regarding drug protocol and you choose to ignore the fact that all throughout the bible he has on several, several occasions discussed training, diet, dedication, etc. He talks primarily about hormones because without them, there is no such thing as a high level competitive bodybuilder. Name 1 high level bodybuilder who is 100% natural? You can't. Sure, some will argue to what degree the hormones matter, but at the end of the day, if the hormones aren't there, it isn't happening!
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narrow shoulders wide waist bad calves
story of my life^^^^^^^^^^
(http://oi39.tinypic.com/9kmjqo.jpg)
I was thinking today I would probably get palumbowned if I went the drugs route
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people keep forgetting that gh15's advice is for PROFESSIONAL'S AND HOW TO MAKE IT TO THE TOP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i keep hearing these retarded comments on how his advice isn't safe
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people keep forgetting that gh15's advice is for PROFESSIONAL'S AND HOW TO MAKE IT TO THE TOP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i keep hearing these retarded comments on how his advice isn't safe
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It's funny because no one seems to have an issue with the fact that an average NFL players life span is 55 and for linemen it's 52. These guys go out and literally as a job, take a physical beat down week after week. Meanwhile the same people who bash the "safety levels" of hormone use are right there cheering on their favorite team each sunday of the football season.
Yes, I know, the arguments here will be that NFL players get paid millions of dollars, but at the end of the day, when they were coming up, this was no guarantee and with injury risk along the path to the NFL, you are ignorant to use this as your argument.
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It's funny because no one seems to have an issue with the fact that an average NFL players life span is 55 and for linemen it's 52. These guys go out and literally as a job, take a physical beat down week after week. Meanwhile the same people who bash the "safety levels" of hormone use are right there cheering on their favorite team each sunday of the football season.
Yes, I know, the arguments here will be that NFL players get paid millions of dollars, but at the end of the day, when they were coming up, this was no guarantee and with injury risk along the path to the NFL, you are ignorant to use this as your argument.
what about MMA, boxing, etc
most of them use roids (yes even scrawny guys like royce gracie got busted for roids, they use it for recovery or so)
beating eachother down stomping and breaking limbs
all while on steroids too
see the transformation of this guy
(http://www.mmaconvert.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/alistair_overeem_timeline.jpg)
(http://www.mmaconvert.com/wp-content/uploads/post-images/alistair_overeem_girls_5-610x406.jpg)
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When I'll stop my first cycle and do the pct and "recover", I'll try without a doubt the gh15 route and try to stay on. Tren + EQ seem so wonderful I'm actually eager my cycle will finish.
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It's funny because no one seems to have an issue with the fact that an average NFL players life span is 55 and for linemen it's 52. These guys go out and literally as a job, take a physical beat down week after week. Meanwhile the same people who bash the "safety levels" of hormone use are right there cheering on their favorite team each sunday of the football season.
Yes, I know, the arguments here will be that NFL players get paid millions of dollars, but at the end of the day, when they were coming up, this was no guarantee and with injury risk along the path to the NFL, you are ignorant to use this as your argument.
there also quite a bit of them obese ,i mean these guys block,run,tackle and have huge stomachs,the only thing they have is great insurance,nfl backing ,physicals yrly or no play.
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people keep forgetting that gh15's advice is for PROFESSIONAL'S AND HOW TO MAKE IT TO THE TOP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i keep hearing these retarded comments on how his advice isn't safe
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you are absolutely right... he gives sound advice, but it aint what ppl want to hear.
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narrow shoulders wide waist bad calves
story of my life^^^^^^^^^^
(http://oi39.tinypic.com/9kmjqo.jpg)
I was thinking today I would probably get palumbowned if I went the drugs route
you need to shave that hair off your body or are you trying to be a bear.
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you need to shave that hair off your body or are you trying to be a bear.
people who don't look juiced to the max look gay as fuck without body hair
unless we're talking blacks or dark skins in general
i see it often in the locker room, random kids taking off their shirt and looking all waxed
i think to myself "not sure if serious"
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narrow shoulders wide waist bad calves
story of my life^^^^^^^^^^
(http://oi39.tinypic.com/9kmjqo.jpg)
I was thinking today I would probably get palumbowned if I went the drugs route
All you need to do is stop the 5 X 5 training and get into a more hypertrophy specific routine.
Just my opinion.
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All you need to do is stop the 5 X 5 training and get into a more hypertrophy specific routine.
Just my opinion.
gave it a solid shot for nearly a year
never again
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^Maxed out...either go up and down in bodyfat or gain more muscle with asteroids. Only way.
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^Maxed out...either go up and down in bodyfat or gain more muscle with asteroids. Only way.
then i'll just stay the same
dont want to be fatass dont want to be anorexic
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then i'll just stay the same
dont want to be fatass dont want to be anorexic
If you think you can get progressively stronger( since that's what you're after) than I doubt you'll lose motivation in the gym. What sucks is when you wanna get bigger and it just becomes impossible naturally.
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If you think you can get progressively stronger( since that's what you're after) than I doubt you'll lose motivation in the gym. What sucks is when you wanna get bigger and it just becomes impossible naturally.
this is what i am doing currently, most naturals seem to agree this is the only sensible approach
what pisses me off is that my weightlifting coach always used to be pissed off i wasn't trying hard enough to gain muscle
these guys will tell you gain muscle gain muscle! at the same time they will say "steroids are for losers!"
fucks with your head bigtime
lol even after some years of leaving
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PNS,what`s a typical days eating plan for you?
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this is what i am doing currently, most naturals seem to agree this is the only sensible approach
what pisses me off is that my weightlifting coach always used to be pissed off i wasn't trying hard enough to gain muscle
these guys will tell you gain muscle gain muscle! at the same time they will say "steroids are for losers!"
fucks with your head bigtime
lol even after some years of leaving
Maybe you should try a cycle of gakic
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Aside from all of the wisdom Gh15 has posted, here's what it takes to be a pro..
The same thing it takes to be an actor, or a musician...you gotta be good, you gotta have connections, and you gotta get lucky...and if your connections are good enough that's all you need.
There are a thousand Steve Kuclos training in gyms all over the world, but he's the guy that got the card...because he did his homework and knew the right people
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Maybe you should try a cycle of gakic
I am not sure if you are serious but that shit does work, its expensive but it gave me 2 to 3 reps more on all my lifts.
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Aside from all of the wisdom Gh15 has posted, here's what it takes to be a pro..
The same thing it takes to be an actor, or a musician...you gotta be good, you gotta have connections, and you gotta get lucky...and if your connections are good enough that's all you need.
There are a thousand Steve Kuclos training in gyms all over the world, but he's the guy that got the card...because he did his homework and knew the right people
Right, talent or genetics has nothing to do with it. ::)
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Right, talent or genetics has nothing to do with it. ::)
i agree on Kuclo, dude pushes and pulls weight in the gym most people dream of, 200 pound db incline presses, 700 pound deadlifts and squats, 455 close grip benches, i dont see many people doing those.
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Right, talent or genetics has nothing to do with it. ::)
Of course they do....but just like there's a million very very talented guitar players waiting tables..and Slash is worth millions, there's a thousand HUGE Bbers that work the door somewhere, and Kuclo is a Pro.
Same concept...as corny as it is...it's show business, entertainment.
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what about MMA, boxing, etc
most of them use roids (yes even scrawny guys like royce gracie got busted for roids, they use it for recovery or so)
beating eachother down stomping and breaking limbs
all while on steroids too
see the transformation of this guy
(http://www.mmaconvert.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/alistair_overeem_timeline.jpg)
(http://www.mmaconvert.com/wp-content/uploads/post-images/alistair_overeem_girls_5-610x406.jpg)
Absolutely, I am not disagreeing here at all. There are plenty of examples like this. I just chose the NFL to use.
You make very valid points though.
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You guys seem to forget one important thing,
there is thick line between being top pro and being regular pro card holder so why do you give examples of Mr.o's ?
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PNS,what`s a typical days eating plan for you?
breakfast usually water with 2 cups of oats, a scoop of protein, a banana, and nuts blended together in a shake
then at work 3 meals of pasta or chicken with rice (tomato sauce for the pasta, chilli sauce for the rice)
then in the evening it varies a typical dinner like steak with french fries and vegetables (with mayonaise and peper sauce for the steak) or spaghetti bolognesa, baked hamburgers with potatoes, fish with potatoes occasionally a pizza
3-4 litres of water a day
about 3500kcal or more is my guess
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Maybe you should try a cycle of gakic
coach sold me creatine once lol
as if he actually believed that shit works
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What is really takes to be a pro bodybuilder?
Jay and Kerri Cutler = Phil "The Ungifted Structurally" Heath
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Interesting to find this thread today. I met a friend of mine last night who I have not seen for awhile and who has been running tren for the past few months (with something else he didn't want to tell me, no idea what or why).
Anyway - he looked fucking impressive. This is a guy who has naturally a very big bone structure - wide clavicles, but also very wide pelvic girdle, high lats, kind of narrow pecs - not what you'd base a good bodybuilder on, structurally - more a strongman competitor if anything, but I was damned impressed with his gains so far. He said he's turned into an angry arsehole on the gear, but his results have been so good he wants to keep going with it, so good luck to him. I never saw a transformation like that in person before. He may well look like shit if he gets onstage, I don't know, but seeing him as he was as a dedicated natural (with his structure he already looked very impressive in normal street clothes and was already considered by most around him as a very muscular guy), and seeing him last night - it's incredible how much he has added to his physique, and honestly, his structural flaws were pretty hard to spot from standing next to him. Like I said, maybe on stage - but he looked structurally different.
PNS - dude - I'm guessing you're still looking better than pretty much all your friends. I've been training natural my whole life - I could probably start taking chemicals now if I wanted to, but I have too many other things that occupy my time and interest these days. For a 41 year old, I look better than people half my age and my body doesn't give me too many problems at all. I'm pretty content.
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Whitewhidow is just plain dumb... You fucking moron,you say 10-20%?I saw guys going from 200 lbs bench press to 260 with 40 dbol a day and some shitty test.So where is your 10-20%?I went from 230 naturally on bench press to 310 after couple of months of 500 mg trenbologna and some test added.So where is your 10-20% you lying douchebag?
I am talking about the average guy. you must have great response as do I but I didnt double my bench at most I got 25% better on some lifts but that is because I live the lifestyle. many guys take steroids before they are ready and their body has not finished growing naturally. these guys maybe get 20% strength gains. I gain the weight easily I am always up 15 pounds by week 3 but my strength on most lifts does not get higher than 25%. wich is good. some people who are irrational think steroids will make them double whatever they are benching or squating. I am just saying on the average most guys are looking at a 20% increase in strength. shitty bodybuilders who shouldnt be using roids to begin with maybe get 10% increase. I waited till I was 24 and done growing. and I did get alot of size and thickness but my strnegth did not go up more than 25% on most lifts. there are some dumb people out there who thin steroids are magic and they willl double their bench press it just does not work like that. 25% is good-IMO that's what I get on most lifts. but alot of people do not even get 20% strength increases. maybe they are using shit gear but most of the time they started to young. all I am saying is steroids are not magic. It takes living the lifestyle and constant dieting and getting the right amount of sleep and being willing to do multiple injections. there are guys who would easily go pro if they lived the lifesyl but they just choose not to. I am in the boat where I would have to take a pretty heavy amount of gear and HGH to become a pro and even then I doubt I would do good in the IFBB. I would be like a david henry just a 2nd-3rd tier pro and it would take allot of money and time. better just to get a great gymrat physique and get alot of pussy. believe me I get asked all the time if I am a competitive bodybuilder and I always say I just do this for fun wich is true. I live the lifestyle but also stay healthy.
I am one of the biggest guys in my gym and get asked all the time how I got so big. but I will tell you african americans are born with crazy genetics. this african american guy I trained with accomplished what I accomplished in just a few months wich took me 6 months. but he didnt look like a bodybuilder but he could hang with me on any lift do to his strong tendons and ligamnet. he was no where near my thickness but if he lived the lifestyle and took the drugs he probably could go pro. no joke. He just cannot afford the drugs and the food and has a full-time job and dosn't have the free time I have. plus I make alot more money working than most pro bodybuilders besides jay,Phil, and maybe branch warren. I get paid alot more so why bother. better to have a stand-out physique and keep your health. You guys can believe what you want but I get asked all the time if I compete. bodybuilding is a full time life-style especially when you cross over to the dark-side. so many ronnies and phils out there who dont want to live this crazy lifestyle. this is the most insane sport there is!
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actualy ,, i save them money ,, i save them time,, i save them using the search engne ,, i save them headache,, i save them bresak ups ,, i save them lies,, i save them so many things you cant even start counting how many things i save them because you wont have space to put it here,, i save them everything needed ,, i also mention! you do need to be consistant and have good founation ,, i keep say this! i say milion time you need to respond well to hormone,, but! with out legit product you can forget about it ,, legit product nand high enough dose,, ,
i can asure you if you have someone like strngo behind you ...yo will get prety far in bodybuild,, but strngo can not put genetic respond in you he didnt create you he is nto your mama and dada,, fellas like nordic can bring you to the river ....it is YOUR JOB AND RESPONSIBILITY to have what it take ,, those fellas can nto train for you and are not your training partner they dont know you ,, they suply you with the right material and its up to you to get from point a to point c if you stop in point b it is usual your fault
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I have strango in my corner and alot of other hormone gods.I respond well to gear it gives me alot of size and thickness along with lean gains but it does not give me more than 25% extra poundages on my lifts. guys who get shit gear and have no fooundation and start juicing before they grow up all the way naturally are lucky to get 10-20% strength increase on most lifts. I waited till I was 24 and was 110% done growing before I started using. I get everything you can get.strango meds, kigs. serostim, AP labs. I just choose not to go pro. It would be my whole life and that is not what I want. reward vs.risk is just not there.
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I am talking about the average guy. you must have great response as do I but I didnt double my bench at most I got 25% better on some lifts but that is because I live the lifestyle. many guys take steroids before they are ready and their body has not finished growing naturally. these guys maybe get 20% strength gains. I gain the weight easily I am always up 15 pounds by week 3 but my strength on most lifts does not get higher than 25%. wich is good. some people who are irrational think steroids will make them double whatever they are benching or squating. I am just saying on the average most guys are looking at a 20% increase in strength. shitty bodybuilders who shouldnt be using roids to begin with maybe get 10% increase. I waited till I was 24 and done growing. and I did get alot of size and thickness but my strnegth did not go up more than 25% on most lifts. there are some dumb people out there who thin steroids are magic and they willl double their bench press it just does not work like that. 25% is good-IMO that's what I get on most lifts. but alot of people do not even get 20% strength increases. maybe they are using shit gear but most of the time they started to young. all I am saying is steroids are not magic. It takes living the lifestyle and constant dieting and getting the right amount of sleep and being willing to do multiple injections. there are guys who would easily go pro if they lived the lifesyl but they just choose not to. I am in the boat where I would have to take a pretty heavy amount of gear and HGH to become a pro and even then I doubt I would do good in the IFBB. I would be like a david henry just a 2nd-3rd tier pro and it would take allot of money and time. better just to get a great gymrat physique and get alot of pussy. believe me I get asked all the time if I am a competitive bodybuilder and I always say I just do this for fun wich is true. I live the lifestyle but also stay healthy.
I am one of the biggest guys in my gym and get asked all the time how I got so big. but I will tell you african americans are born with crazy genetics. this african american guy I trained with accomplished what I accomplished in just a few months wich took me 6 months. but he didnt look like a bodybuilder but he could hang with me on any lift do to his strong tendons and ligamnet. he was no where near my thickness but if he lived the lifestyle and took the drugs he probably could go pro. no joke. He just cannot afford the drugs and the food and has a full-time job and dosn't have the free time I have. plus I make alot more money working than most pro bodybuilders besides jay,Phil, and maybe branch warren. I get paid alot more so why bother. better to have a stand-out physique and keep your health. You guys can believe what you want but I get asked all the time if I compete. bodybuilding is a full time life-style especially when you cross over to the dark-side. so many ronnies and phils out there who dont want to live this crazy lifestyle. this is the most insane sport there is!
Big Talk...have you ever posted a pic ? because you must be a monster