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I googled Lee Haney and Steroid Cycles to see what I'd come up with and there was a link to a question Did Lee Haney ever do steroids? I wanted to know how it was answered and I gotta say I was pretty surprised. This could be bullshit but it doesn't sound like it is....
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Did_Lee_haney_ever_do_steroids
im afraid he did.....whoever he told me that something died inside him the day he realised they had to be used(i add not abused) more often once he turned pro in 82. inside info time as.... this comes from the great wag bennett who train and sponsored me in early 90;s while i ran his gym,
lee haney used upto 1000mg of equpoise every 10 days, looking at his 4ib a year increase in muscle you can believe it.
that was they mainstay of his cycle.
he has no health issues and realise to compete with dorian he had to in his word "be prepared to enter into chemical warefare so he bowed out before the ten he wanted... great champion ...great bodybuilder but an even greater man.
where are they all today????????????????????????
Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Did_Lee_haney_ever_do_steroids#ixzz1gY73TCir
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;D
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I'm guessing he heard what Dorian was taking and said fuck that, I'm out! ;D
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I'm guessing he heard what Dorian was taking and said fuck that, I'm out! ;D
I think this is 100% the case..... 8) :-X
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I'm guessing he heard what Dorian was taking and said fuck that, I'm out! ;D
Unlike the rest of the pack who tried to match Yates in size and ended up ruining their physiques. :(
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Didn't know he wanted 10 Mr. Os. That would have been fucking SICK! Even Haney said the plastic trophy isn't worth it anymore...(I know the Sandow isn't made of plastic.
I would love to know what he was told about what Yates was taking...I'm guessing it was the slin is one thing...Cause for a long time bodybuilders were scared as shit of slin but the results speak for themself.....for awhile ;D
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Haney saw in Yates his worst nightmare.....a guy his size who was willing to push everything to the limit...Haney did the smart thing.
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http://www.mylot.com/w/image/2348314.aspx
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Didn't know he wanted 10 Mr. Os. That would have been fucking SICK! Even Haney said the plastic trophy isn't worth it anymore...(I know the Sandow isn't made of plastic.
I would love to know what he was told about what Yates was taking...I'm guessing it was the slin is one thing...Cause for a long time bodybuilders were scared as shit of slin but the results speak for themself.....for awhile ;D
Haney said in the post Olympia win speech in 1991 that he finally learned how to peak and he was just learning to know his body and that he would be back next year to for another Sandow , he obviously rethought that retired and went out on-top
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Haney saw in Yates his worst nightmare.....a guy his size who was willing to push everything to the limit...Haney did the smart thing.
I think Haney would have gotten him in 92 and in 93 we may have had the best Mr. Olympia ever cause Dorian in 93 is legendary. Had Haney really drugged it up I think today there would be ZERO doubt who the greatest Mr. O is. Would have been a helluva show...Remember Haney said he just learned how to peak in 91...I think by 93 we would have seen a 260lb stage ready Haney with Yates like hardness but with a little loss of aesthetics...It would have been jaw dropping.
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Oh please like Haney wasn't doing everything the others weren't. He was the biggest of the lot for years, doing less than them? LOL
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smallest arms of any 240 pound plus IFBB pro ever.
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Oh please like Haney wasn't doing everything the others weren't. He was the biggest of the lot for years, doing less than them? LOL
Yes but Dorian clearly too drug usage to another level that is the point Mr. Grim.
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Yes but Dorian clearly too drug usage to another level that is the point Mr. Grim.
How do we know? It's all speculation. Haney was bigger than Yates in 1991, would have been in 1992. Is that all due to drug use?
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smallest arms of any 240 pound plus IFBB pro ever.
How can you tell the real size of any pros arms from the last 12 years?
When flexed his arms were fine but yes he's no Coleman in the arm department.
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How can you tell the real size of any pros arms from the last 12 years?
When flexed his arms were fine but yes he's no Coleman in the arm department.
whos to say the 80's and 90's guys werent putting anything in them? truth is he had very mediocre arms and legs for a Mr. Olympia or even top 10 Olympia guy.
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whos to say the 80's and 90's guys werent putting anything in them? truth is he had very mediocre arms and legs for a Mr. Olympia or even top 10 Olympia guy.
The guys in the 80's and early 90's grossly overtrained. This halted there potential. Roids don't just change everything and make you recover the same if you are overtraining.
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How do we know? It's all speculation. Haney was bigger than Yates in 1991, would have been in 1992. Is that all due to drug use?
No it's pretty much fact...1993 was due to upping the dosage black socks photos in offseasn at 275 and hard as nails...no that has nothing to do with upping the dosage or adding something others dont have or know about. In 92 Dorian was low 240s and won his first Mr. O. (242 I believe) and in 93 he was 257 i believe. Back then putting on 15lbs of stage ready muscle in one year at the Olympia level was unfathomable...So yes, he def upped the dosage.
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I think Haney would have gotten him in 92 and in 93 we may have had the best Mr. Olympia ever cause Dorian in 93 is legendary. Had Haney really drugged it up I think today there would be ZERO doubt who the greatest Mr. O is. Would have been a helluva show...Remember Haney said he just learned how to peak in 91...I think by 93 we would have seen a 260lb stage ready Haney with Yates like hardness but with a little loss of aesthetics...It would have been jaw dropping.
I agree. If Haney would have been willing to really push it it's insane to think what he could have looked like.
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dorian ruined his too
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smallest arms of any 240 pound plus IFBB pro ever.
Achim Albrecht and he was 260lbs :-\
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No it's pretty much fact...1993 was due to upping the dosage black socks photos in offseasn at 275 and hard as nails...no that has nothing to do with upping the dosage or adding something others dont have or know about. In 92 Dorian was low 240s and won his first Mr. O. (242 I believe) and in 93 he was 257 i believe. Back then putting on 15lbs of stage ready muscle in one year at the Olympia level was unfathomable...So yes, he def upped the dosage.
putting 15 pounds of STAGE MUSCLE at the Olympia level is unfathomable IN ANY YEAR.
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No it's pretty much fact...1993 was due to upping the dosage black socks photos in offseasn at 275 and hard as nails...no that has nothing to do with upping the dosage or adding something others dont have or know about. In 92 Dorian was low 240s and won his first Mr. O. (242 I believe) and in 93 he was 257 i believe. Back then putting on 15lbs of stage ready muscle in one year at the Olympia level was unfathomable...So yes, he def upped the dosage.
but, but, but he said he only used under a gram of test a week and couldn't believe the dosages guys run now! are you saying he lied about his cycle??
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whos to say the 80's and 90's guys werent putting anything in them? truth is he had very mediocre arms and legs for a Mr. Olympia or even top 10 Olympia guy.
If they were it was just steroids...this was before escilene in Haney's era...Levrone, Flex, both escilene abusers... Please post me a picture or video of him outside of drug free Mr. O of his mediocre arms....I'll be waiting....and there is nothing wrong with his legs or any of the guys legs of that era.
Clearly the bodybuilders of today's legs are much too large and way out of proportion...These guys look like clowns as they waddle to get around to try and do everyday things...Blown out quads caused this...It looks stupid and frog like...People have been brainwashed into thinking these giant legs are awesome. When you look at Haney's quads when he posed they were in proportioned with the rest of his physique....Watch any video or post any pic of him as Mr. O.
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No it's pretty much fact...1993 was due to upping the dosage black socks photos in offseasn at 275 and hard as nails...no that has nothing to do with upping the dosage or adding something others dont have or know about. In 92 Dorian was low 240s and won his first Mr. O. (242 I believe) and in 93 he was 257 i believe. Back then putting on 15lbs of stage ready muscle in one year at the Olympia level was unfathomable...So yes, he def upped the dosage.
He wasn't as ripped in 1993 as 1992. He dieted down further in 1992 to compete with Shawn Ray and Momo as there was no other Mass Monster to compete against. He was 240 in 1991, do you think he only gained 2 pounds that year?
Ronnie was 245 in 2002 and 283 in 2003 was that a 40 pound gain in muscle? No he overdieted.
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but, but, but he said he only used under a gram of test a week and couldn't believe the dosages guys run now! are you saying he lied about his cycle??
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If they were it was just steroids...this was before escilene in Haney's era...Levrone, Flex, both escilene abusers... Please post me a picture or video of him outside of drug free Mr. O of his mediocre arms....I'll be waiting....and there is nothing wrong with his legs or any of the guys legs of that era.
Clearly the bodybuilders of today's legs are much too large and way out of proportion...These guys look like clowns as they waddle to get around to try and do everyday things...Blown out quads caused this...It looks stupid and frog like...People have been brainwashed into thinking these giant legs are awesome. When you look at Haney's quads when he posed they were in proportioned with the rest of his physique....Watch any video or post any pic of him as Mr. O.
i still consider site injections "putting something in them" i dont care if its test, EQ, Tren, synthol, whatever, and guys have been putting stuff directly into the muscle for decades.
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No it's pretty much fact...1993 was due to upping the dosage black socks photos in offseasn at 275 and hard as nails...no that has nothing to do with upping the dosage or adding something others dont have or know about. In 92 Dorian was low 240s and won his first Mr. O. (242 I believe) and in 93 he was 257 i believe. Back then putting on 15lbs of stage ready muscle in one year at the Olympia level was unfathomable...So yes, he def upped the dosage.
Not really and when asked if the B&W photos represented the first time he used GH he said " No " he was using it in 1992.
The discrepancy in size from 1993 and 1992 wasn't from drugs it was from him realizing he was at a point precontest where he was just dieting away pure muscle in an attempt to get ' harder ' which he wasn't. Which he realized and corrected for 1993 hence no ' new ' muscle just muscle that wasn't dieted away
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i still consider site injections "putting something in them" i dont care if its test, EQ, Tren, synthol, whatever, and guys have been putting stuff directly into the muscle for decades.
Dude, where else are they going to put it at that level? I personally believe that even if steroid is injected directly into the muscle it will not cause significant localized growth vs. a glute shot...There is no proof and if there there is a difference, not noticable to the eye.
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Not really and when asked if the B&W photos represented the first time he used GH he said " No " he was using it in 1992.
The discrepancy in size from 1993 and 1992 wasn't from drugs it was from him realizing he was at a point precontest where he was just dieting away pure muscle in an attempt to get ' harder ' which he wasn't.
GH was since the 80s in some form Haney used it no doubt this was when Cadavar Hormone was used alot more... :-X....I don't buy that bullshit story and can't believe you do...It's clear as clean water to me that he used insulina and upped everything else to put that muscle on...
Just as Ronnie looked shitty in 02 and was 242 but nutz in 03 wasn't just because he dieted down too low in 02...It's very clear in 03 he was abusing insulin. All the signs are there...much wider waist, no more rock hard condition, offseason face on contest day...Dorian wasn't abusing it like Ronnie that's a 10 year difference 93-03 but it got the desired results and Ronnie went overboard.
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site injection = synthol to me
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Had Jeff King been able to compete in the Mr. Olympia, would Haney won all of those Sandows?
Personally, I don't think so.
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site injection = synthol to me
Please expand..no pun intended.
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Lee Haney, unlike most bodybuilders nowadays, had class. My favourite bodybuilder, hands down.
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The only bodypart Jeff King would beat Lee Haney with would be legs......Period!!!
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Had Jeff King been able to compete in the Mr. Olympia, would Haney won all of those Sandows?
Personally, I don't think so.
Could you please tell me more of this fella? I've heard of him and seen shots in the past. What's the full story?
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Had Jeff King been able to compete in the Mr. Olympia, would Haney won all of those Sandows?
Personally, I don't think so.
Lol
Perhaps had Jeff king had he balls to try and win the Nationals, we might have seen such a showdown....
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Come on Bob lead us in the right direction you were around back then. You don't have to confirm or deny rumors but knowing what you know about both competitors and the supplementation around back then, could Haney have made it to 10 or would 93 Yates derail him?...Let say all what I said is true and Haney makes a different decision.
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Could you please tell me more of this fella? I've heard of him and seen shots in the past. What's the full story?
he lived for awhile here in STL and trained under George Turner, theres a lot of stories about his training and physique around here.
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awesome bodybuilder.
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Jeff King's neck is the subject of many an epic poem...
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Jeff King's neck is the subject of many an epic poem...
his legs were even freakier.
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Come on Bob lead us in the right direction you were around back then. You don't have to confirm or deny rumors but knowing what you know about both competitors and the supplementation around back then, could Haney have made it to 10 or would 93 Yates derail him?...Let say all what I said is true and Haney makes a different decision.
Drugs are just the finishing touch. The reason Ronald was bigger in 03 than in 02 was purely due to more calories and heavy training. Same thing with Dorian, he must have trained harder and ate more to get bigger from 92 to 93. I doubt either one used steroids and if so, probably just enough for a finishing touch.
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lol
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Why'd not go pro? What is Chick talking about?
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damn bob
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Why'd not go pro? What is Chick talking about?
the "rumor" here is that he had a problem with Weider and wouldnt compete in the IFBB.
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GH was since the 80s in some form Haney used it no doubt this was when Cadavar Hormone was used alot more... :-X....I don't buy that bullshit story and can't believe you do...It's clear as clean water to me that he used insulina and upped everything else to put that muscle on...
Just as Ronnie looked shitty in 02 and was 242 but nutz in 03 wasn't just because he dieted down too low in 02...It's very clear in 03 he was abusing insulin. All the signs are there...much wider waist, no more rock hard condition, offseason face on contest day...Dorian wasn't abusing it like Ronnie that's a 10 year difference 93-03 but it got the desired results and Ronnie went overboard.
These pics are from 1992 , he already had the size , he was just losing it all dieting
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Come on Bob lead us in the right direction you were around back then. You don't have to confirm or deny rumors but knowing what you know about both competitors and the supplementation around back then, could Haney have made it to 10 or would 93 Yates derail him?...Let say all what I said is true and Haney makes a different decision.
Vey possible....especially since Haney had the edge in terms of being the incumbent champ...
Bigger question to me is whether Arnold would have won 11 had he kept competing, or if Haney would have finally ended HIS streak?
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the "rumor" here is that he had a problem with Weider and wouldnt compete in the IFBB.
His " problem" was that he didn't feel as though he needed to qualify as a pro in the IFBB because he beat a bunch of second rate BBers in the AAU....
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Vey possible....especially since Haney had the edge in terms of being the incumbent champ...
Bigger question to me is whether Arnold would have won 11 had he kept competing, or if Haney would have finally ended HIS streak?
I think Arnold could have easily kept winning if he still had a mind to compete after 1980.
Look at the progress and condition he attained in such a short period of time for the 80 Mr. O.
Seeing Arnold battling Haney would have been epic.
Oh well,if my aunt had balls,she`d be my uncle!! :)
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Oh please like Haney wasn't doing everything the others weren't. He was the biggest of the lot for years, doing less than them? LOL
This, exactly! haney was using tons of juice! should've seen him at the '90 drug tested Olympia, I was there. he looked like a total stickman. Only one who didn't was Mike Christian, who looked awesome in that awful "drug tested" show. He says "something died inside?" Come on...you know he'd been juiced since a teen! Not only that, but was known as the guy who began using A LOT of GH as well...a lot more then a lot of guys in his era. Today, it doesn't even look as though he'd ever even touched a weight in his life. Yeah, guess he had a "good foundation",,lol. ::) don't get me wrong, I love the guy, but he, like everyone else, was sauced to the gills! Dorian just took it to another level in terms of his grainy "look" which really cannot be duplicated just through upping the dosage or more extreme usage, it's just his genetics...he was a freak! Just as haney was in his era.
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This, exactly! haney was using tons of juice! should've seen him at the '90 drug tested Olympia, I was there. he looked like a total stickman. Only one who didn't was Mike Christian, who looked awesome in that awful "drug tested" show. He says "something died inside?" Come on...you know he'd been juiced since a teen! Not only that, but was known as the guy who began using A LOT of GH as well...a lot more then a lot of guys in his era. Today, it doesn't even look as though he'd ever even touched a weight in his life. Yeah, guess he had a "good foundation",,lol. ::) don't get me wrong, I love the guy, but he, like everyone else, was sauced to the gills! Dorian just took it to another level in terms of his grainy "look" which really cannot be duplicated just through upping the dosage or more extreme usage, it's just his genetics...he was a freak! Just as haney was in his era.
Apparently you didn't read my response because I didn't deny Haney was juiced to the gills by those times standards but when Yates came along he redefined juiced to the gills in what he used and how much and I have no doubt that Coleman was using more than Yates when he was 287 and 294...
Dorian was the original drug monster no doubt...
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His " problem" was that he didn't feel as though he needed to qualify as a pro in the IFBB because he beat a bunch of second rate BBers in the AAU....
you being one of them
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There was ALOT more than just EQ inside Haneys Body.. remember it also came @ 50mg per ml back then, designed for horses.
He was using the same as everyone else.
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There was ALOT more than just EQ inside Haneys Body.. remember it also came @ 50mg per ml back then, designed for horses.
He was using the same as everyone else.
No one said he just used eq....it says that was the staple of his drug use then.
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I'm pretty sure they reached the top of steroid abuse in the 70s. The only thing dorian did was bring up the abuse of the other drugs to a higher level. I imagine dorian was one of the first gh mega dosers. Its funny a lot of kids came up at that time mattrozo and demayo that seemed to be some of the other first serious gh abusers you knew when you seen them guys there was something different about them I remember as a teen seeing mike mattarozo for the first time in utter shock. That to me stood out as the ultimate freak.
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No one said he just used eq....it says that was the staple of his drug use then.
Are ok - so his fave :D
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Waiting for the "All Tren and cadaver GH" replies...
Haney was a guinea pig for Dan Duchaine too.
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They all used a shitload of evrything they could get, or knew about
After that it came down to response, and quality of product
If haney had been around in the late 90s, hed have looked like ronnie, but with smaller arms
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This, exactly! haney was using tons of juice! should've seen him at the '90 drug tested Olympia, I was there. he looked like a total stickman. Only one who didn't was Mike Christian, who looked awesome in that awful "drug tested" show. He says "something died inside?" Come on...you know he'd been juiced since a teen! Not only that, but was known as the guy who began using A LOT of GH as well...a lot more then a lot of guys in his era. Today, it doesn't even look as though he'd ever even touched a weight in his life. Yeah, guess he had a "good foundation",,lol. ::) don't get me wrong, I love the guy, but he, like everyone else, was sauced to the gills! Dorian just took it to another level in terms of his grainy "look" which really cannot be duplicated just through upping the dosage or more extreme usage, it's just his genetics...he was a freak! Just as haney was in his era.
Actually, to me, Labrada looked better than all of them in that 90s 'O. And right, for years, Haney was the biggest of them all, he was the mass monster of his time. There's little doubt that he was doing more than guys like DeMey, Buchanan or Paris. And Dorian was not the first one to take it to the extreme, it was Momo and to some extent Gaspari too. But Momo was too short to be a real threat and Gaspari has a shitty structure. Then came Dorian.
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Achim Albrecht and he was 260lbs :-\
throw milos in there too
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These pics are from 1992 , he already had the size , he was just losing it all dieting
God damn those back shots of Yates before the 1992 O were incredible :o :o :o on a side note IMO i doubt Lee as Great a Champion as he was, was going to Keep beating Yates from 1992 onwards...1992 Possible...1993 onwards forget it, new era in Massive Size WITH Muscularity, Conditioning and with new Genetic Freeks the likes of Levrone, Dillet, Wheeler, Comier etc now on the bb curcit would of given Haney all sorts of Problems AFTER 1992.... Flex @ the Ironman in 93 would of more than likey been to much for Haney and would of really Pushed Yates hard @ the 93 O IF he showed up in that particular Condition... as it was he didnt... and for the rest of his BB days he like the rest of them was always fighting for 2nd @ the O behind Yates then Coleman.
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Discusted has mentioned before that Haney liked EQ, WW also said Haney would use Anadrol everyday for many months
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God damn those back shots of Yates before the 1992 O were incredible :o :o :o on a side note IMO i doubt Lee as Great a Champion as he was, was going to Keep beating Yates from 1992 onwards...1992 Possible...1993 onwards forget it, new era in Massive Size WITH Muscularity, Conditioning and with new Genetic Freeks the likes of Levrone, Dillet, Wheeler, Comier etc now on the bb curcit would of given Haney all sorts of Problems AFTER 1992.... Flex @ the Ironman in 93 would of more than likey been to much for Haney and would of really Pushed Yates hard @ the 93 O IF he showed up in that particular Condition... as it was he didnt... and for the rest of his BB days he like the rest of them was always fighting for 2nd @ the O behind Yates then Coleman.
no dude...everything points otherwise...Haney was getting better every year...He admitted he finally learned how to peak on his last show and he was only 31....He would have crushed Flex, Levrone and everyone else the only real challenge would have been Yates...Well never know but very fun to discuss.
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Someone's got a crush on Lee ::)
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What the fuck, what idiot added "Did Lee Haney ever do steroids?" to the thread title?
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no dude...everything points otherwise...Haney was getting better every year...He admitted he finally learned how to peak on his last show and he was only 31....He would have crushed Flex, Levrone and everyone else the only real challenge would have been Yates...Well never know but very fun to discuss.
Debatable. Though 91 was clearly his best showing, don't forget that he wasn't that impressive the few years before (89 and the drug tested 90- most people who were there would have given it to Labrada it seems). So he rebounded in an extraordinary manner but he was better in 84-85 than during the Gaspari runner up years.
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Someone's got a crush on Lee ::)
Yes, tell your mother Lee is a happily married man.
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Debatable. Though 91 was clearly his best showing, don't forget that he wasn't that impressive the few years before (89 and the drug tested 90- most people who were there would have given it to Labrada it seems). So he rebounded in an extraordinary manner but he was better in 84-85 than during the Gaspari runner up years.
Come on man, you're really going to count a drug tested show? ::)
lol...Labrada would have never beaten Haney and neither would have Gaspari....one midget (although a legendary midget Labrada at 5'5 180 tops and Gaspari at 5'7 (never cared enough about him to know his weight but clearly lower 200s or 190s. vs. 5'11 245.....It was never close.
You can call it rebound but the dude got better every year he competed minus the drug tested year...He'd wipe the floor with Dorian in 92 and 93 would have been the battle of battles....I'm a Yates fan despite his setbacks and gifts.
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Come on man, you're really going to count a drug tested show? ::)
lol...Labrada would have never beaten Haney and neither would have Gaspari....one midget (although a legendary midget Labrada at 5'5 180 tops and Gaspari at 5'7 (never cared enough about him to know his weight but clearly lower 200s or 190s. vs. 5'11 245.....It was never close.
You can call it rebound but the dude got better every year he competed minus the drug tested year...He'd wipe the floor with Dorian in 92 and 93 would have been the battle of battles....I'm a Yates fan despite his setbacks and gifts.
are you old enough to remember Animal Kingdom on ESPN, Wiggs?
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Come on man, you're really going to count a drug tested show? ::)
lol...Labrada would have never beaten Haney and neither would have Gaspari....one midget (although a legendary midget Labrada at 5'5 180 tops and Gaspari at 5'7 (never cared enough about him to know his weight but clearly lower 200s or 190s. vs. 5'11 245.....It was never close.
You can call it rebound but the dude got better every year he competed minus the drug tested year...He'd wipe the floor with Dorian in 92 and 93 would have been the battle of battles....I'm a Yates fan despite his setbacks and gifts.
89 was not drug tested and Labrada's only shortcoming (no pun intended) was his height. Other than that, he was better than Haney. What I'm saying is that Haney's was actually somehow inconsistent even though he dominated his era (same for Dorian if you thinkg 94 and 97 or Coleman 2000 and 2002).
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89 was not drug tested and Labrada's only shortcoming (no pun intended) was his height. Other than that, he was better than Haney. What I'm saying is that Haney's was actually somehow inconsistent even though he dominated his era (same for Dorian if you thinkg 94 and 97 or Coleman 2000 and 2002).
90 was the testing year, seems like everyone was softer and smaller that year.
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are you old enough to remember Animal Kingdom on ESPN, Wiggs?
I'm 32 I remember a show on the Christian Channel and vaguely remember a workout show...
I used to watch Flex magazine workout with Shawn Ray and American Muscle tv show....good times.
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"Last set,best set" !!
Great show.
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I'm 32 I remember a show on the Christian Channel and vaguely remember a workout show...
I used to watch Flex magazine workout with Shawn Ray and American Muscle tv show....good times.
youre still kinda young to remember AK on ESPN, im 39 and around 89 or 90 i would wait until it came on ESPN at 1 in the morning, he used to train with some young Italian looking dude nowhere near as big as him, then American Muscle Magazine would come on afterwards.
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89 was not drug tested and Labrada's only shortcoming (no pun intended) was his height. Other than that, he was better than Haney. What I'm saying is that Haney's was actually somehow inconsistent even though he dominated his era (same for Dorian if you thinkg 94 and 97 or Coleman 2000 and 2002).
I was much too young then so I can't confidently say anything about that show....I was 10...lol
I'll take your word for it...Please tell me how you came to the conclusion that Labrada was better than Haney other than height...(and size).
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Just reviewed Youtube videos of indivdual posing routines from the 89 Mr. O.
Labrada looked awesome and yes better than Haney that year. You are correct. I was very impressed.
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I was much too young then so I can't confidently say anything about that show....I was 10...lol
I'll take your word for it...Please tell me how you came to the conclusion that Labrada was better than Haney other than height...(and size).
Fromvids only which are of course questionable. Have a look. Haney's upper body looked great even though the "armproblem" was there. But the upper body/lower body balance was ff specially in the back poses where his armstrings looked real small and undefined.
Labrada that year: nothing sttod out as nothing was missing, probably the best balance and proportions ever with a very good conditioning (full and defined); Haney looked a little flat. Compare that to '91 Haney and you'll see the difference: much better balance
overall in '91 and better conditioning.
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Well, you did have a look I see. But though, next to Haney, Lee was just too small. Same problem Shawn had with Dorian in '94 though Shawn had structural flaws that Lee didn't have.
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the big difference from haneys reign to dorians was that haney while being the biggest competitor onstage was not always the most ripped,he almost always came in inshape,and had the most size,best back and chest,but gaspari and labrada were always more shredded.in yates reign he was the most massive and the most ripped,hardest guy onstage.both were great champions!
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Well, you did have a look I see. But though, next to Haney, Lee was just too small. Same problem Shawn had with Dorian in '94 though Shawn had structural flaws that Lee didn't have.
Yes the size difference was just too great....By the rules, Labrada should have won. Haney looked great but Labrada was very crisp, great skin and very, very good condition...I met him for the first time at this years Mr. O. Very nice, well spoken guy....very, very short and I'm not tall.
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I dont think there is any way Haney could have beat this...
Just dont think he had the drive or the will to go to where Dorian was willing.
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If you look at pics of Haney from 1983 Olympia and compare it to 1984 Olympia, he made a lot of progress. It was around that time that recombinant Growth Hormone came on the bodybuilding scene. That's why when Bob Paris won the Nationals and the Universe, he was much bigger than he was the year before. A guy called Doctor Kerr was making a lot of money back then giving the athletes GH. So it's around 83-84 that GH really started to be used in bodybuilding. Before that, there wasn't really a ton of bodybuilders using the Crescormin (cadaver based) Gh. There was already news that short kids treated with it had gotten Kreutzfeld Jacob syndrome..which is basically mad cow disease from the cadaver GH..
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Just reviewed Youtube videos of indivdual posing routines from the 89 Mr. O.
Labrada looked awesome and yes better than Haney that year. You are correct. I was very impressed.
good to see you're objective bout it, labrada was complete, had no flaws, but at 5'4" or 5'5", 180lbs, the 5'11" 250lbs reigning champ is hard to beat
89 was labradas, 90 was rays
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What the fuck, what idiot added "Did Lee Haney ever do steroids?" to the thread title?
Welcome to the Moderated Merger...
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good to see you're objective bout it, labrada was complete, had no flaws, but at 5'4" or 5'5", 180lbs, the 5'11" 250lbs reigning champ is hard to beat
89 was labradas, 90 was rays
Thanks, even though I have my favorites I always try to give respect when due and call it like it is.
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Ok, hang on bros, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!
I think we all know that steroids is serious business and used by musclemen hoping to built drug muscles but there IS A STEROID boarding.
Every other post nowadays is peoples cycles and picless newbs sucking the cum and shit out of gh15's orifices. This is getting to BE TOO MUCH.
If you want to talk about nothing but drugs then take it to the drug board. I think I speak for all of myself on this issue.
Stay positive, STAY NATURAL!!!
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Calories Alice - you eat to many
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Alex is relocating to the cooler climes of Northern Cali -- no, he won't be smoking that smelly green shit.
I do think the board misses him as people still talk of him everyday.
Wilma, should know by now that I am not the giant hunk of a Gaulic warrior, for real.
Stay natural or stay on the steroid board!!!
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Blanks Alice - you are shooting them
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Dicks Bonobo23 - you suck too many
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Stay positive, STAY NATURAL!!!
it looks like someone is trying to throw a red herring out
i'm not biting
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it looks like someone is trying to throw a red herring out
i'm not biting
Not alex, bro. Can't help it if his broad back still casts a shadow on the site that swallows their consciousness. Ask Josh.
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this is all a sham
whether it's alex trying to throw his scent of by making reference to the SHARED fallsview account or Deltsaforce is a SHARED account that is making reference to the SHARED fallsview account or Alex making reference to fallsview that is not shared but indeed a alex account with a redirected IP address it doesn't matter
we will always have theories but no one will get to the bottom of it ever
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Calories Alice - you eat to many
Blanks Alice - you are shooting them
;D
Alex is relocating to the cooler climes of Northern Cali.
I do think the board misses him
We all knew you were moving ... Ron posted that as your excuse for not showing up for the Excaliber showdown with Coach
No one here misses or wants you
FACT
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wut a surprise, the h8m8 gimmick logs in for a lonesome evening of hate ;D
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if this is alex then what he is doing is kinda sorta some strange form of reverse psycology
See, DeltsaForce has always been rumored to be a Alex account and Fallsview has always been a heavily rumored alex account
So, in this thread Deltsaforce makes reference to the "Stay Positive" line because he wants us to think that "OMG- it can't be alex- why would he be to stupid to make reference to his fallsview account"
Reality is (and most likely) that alex is just making reference to one of his other accounts thinking that we buy that alex isn't that dumb to make reference to his fallsview account
....it makes sense to me that's all that matters
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wut a surprise, the h8m8 gimmick logs in for a lonesome evening of hate ;D
you're the lonesome one .. but you can't understand why
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Stay natural guyz. stay free of tendonitis ( ;D very nasty little complaint that can eat into your real life :-* )
drug cycles on the steroid board, please!!!
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Bonobo23, how many posts have you accumulated so far with all your gimmicks? It must be nearing 100k, surely?
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tendonitis.............. .......red herring again ???
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you're the lonesome one .. but you can't understand why
(http://www.bellenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Chaz-Bono-was-caught-topless-as-he-was-making-a-wardrobe-change-ahead-of-tonight-live-show.jpg)
what the hell happened to this dude, did he have some drastic gyno surgery or something?
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tendonitis.....................red herring again ???
I was thinking the same thing
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i agree, don't do drugs, ever. drugs are immoral and bad for you! everyone just needs to learn the proper way to nutrient timing around anabolic windows and manipulating growth principles via BCAA supplementation along with creatine.
have you checked out the great list of products by muscletech? that's all the pros use and look at how big they are! winners don't use drugs.
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i agree, don't do drugs, ever. drugs are immoral and bad for you! everyone just needs to learn the proper way to nutrient timing around anabolic windows and manipulating growth principles via BCAA supplementation along with creatine.
have you checked out the great list of products by muscletech? that's all the pros use and look at how big they are! winners don't use drugs.
Not to worry,it`s just Alex,tendonitis,Fallsview,and DeltsaForce trying to be funny.
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what the hell happened to this dude, did he have some drastic gyno surgery or something?
she had a double mastectomy
(http://us.acidcow.com/pics/20090715/pics/5/chastity_bono_08.jpg)
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Not to worry,it`s just Alex,tendonitis,Fallsview,and DeltsaForce trying to be funny.
as long as he chooses the path of Christ then he's A-Ok in my book ;)
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6 members have posted in this thread so far,but in reality 12 members are present.
Things ain`t always what they seem. :)
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if this is alex then what he is doing is kinda sorta some strange form of reverse psycology
See, DeltsaForce has always been rumored to be a Alex account and Fallsview has always been a heavily rumored alex account
So, in this thread Deltsaforce makes reference to the "Stay Positive" line because he wants us to think that "OMG- it can't be alex- why would he be to stupid to make reference to his fallsview account"
Reality is (and most likely) that alex is just making reference to one of his other accounts thinking that we buy that alex isn't that dumb to make reference to his fallsview account
....it makes sense to me that's all that matters
don't think too hard, stick to scaring kids and hating hot women....we prefer you that way
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If you look at pics of Haney from 1983 Olympia and compare it to 1984 Olympia, he made a lot of progress. It was around that time that recombinant Growth Hormone came on the bodybuilding scene. That's why when Bob Paris won the Nationals and the Universe, he was much bigger than he was the year before. A guy called Doctor Kerr was making a lot of money back then giving the athletes GH. So it's around 83-84 that GH really started to be used in bodybuilding. Before that, there wasn't really a ton of bodybuilders using the Crescormin (cadaver based) Gh. There was already news that short kids treated with it had gotten Kreutzfeld Jacob syndrome..which is basically mad cow disease from the cadaver GH..
I was trippin on this thread wiggs started too.
It was widely known back in the day haney was on GH from 83.
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If they were it was just steroids...this was before escilene in Haney's era...Levrone, Flex, both escilene abusers... Please post me a picture or video of him outside of drug free Mr. O of his mediocre arms....I'll be waiting....and there is nothing wrong with his legs or any of the guys legs of that era.
Clearly the bodybuilders of today's legs are much too large and way out of proportion...These guys look like clowns as they waddle to get around to try and do everyday things...Blown out quads caused this...It looks stupid and frog like...People have been brainwashed into thinking these giant legs are awesome. When you look at Haney's quads when he posed they were in proportioned with the rest of his physique....Watch any video or post any pic of him as Mr. O.
great post
today legs are out of proportion
münzer and strydom s are where proportion turne idiotic beyond
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What is this horseshit, Haney beating Yates in 92 and 93?...... Not a chance in hell, Yates legs where way bigger and in 92 is when Yates came out with his trade mark super striated christmas tree, and 93?... now that's just being dumb to think 93,Flex would've beat Haney. Haney did the smart move and quit while he was ahead and did not tarnish his legacy
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No it's pretty much fact...1993 was due to upping the dosage black socks photos in offseasn at 275 and hard as nails...no that has nothing to do with upping the dosage or adding something others dont have or know about. In 92 Dorian was low 240s and won his first Mr. O. (242 I believe) and in 93 he was 257 i believe. Back then putting on 15lbs of stage ready muscle in one year at the Olympia level was unfathomable...So yes, he def upped the dosage.
Yates didnt diet away muscle in 93. that is the 15lbs you are talking about. hope this helps.
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I dont think there is any way Haney could have beat this...
Just dont think he had the drive or the will to go to where Dorian was willing.
dorian took away the gayness of posing..............
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Yates didnt diet away muscle in 93. that is the 15lbs you are talking about. hope this helps.
I never said he did. ND did. I said he upped the dosage and probably added slin.
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What is this horseshit, Haney beating Yates in 92 and 93?...... Not a chance in hell, Yates legs where way bigger and in 92 is when Yates came out with his trade mark super striated christmas tree, and 93?... now that's just being dumb to think 93,Flex would've beat Haney. Haney did the smart move and quit while he was ahead and did not tarnish his legacy
Dorian does not compare well Haney's shape was much too superior, rounder muscle bellies better proportions. Watch the video...
lol @ flex beating Haney. Flex was 215 and Haney was 245 and and inch taller. Flex would never ever had beaten Haney he was too small. 93 is the only year Dorian might have had a chance. 91 Haney beats 92 Yates. You gotta remember also, Haney would have improved as supplementation changed. By 93 Haney would have been 255-260. Dorian would never have outsized him. Haney comes from better stock, he can put more muscle on and still maintain his great shape. Dorian while great and legendary was kind of boxy....not Cutler boxy...but boxy.
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Let me explain to you how bodybuilding works Wiggs, sure it's nice to have "what if's" and it is cool to discuss scenerio's but here are some facts that would've made it impossible for Haney to have beat Yates, In 1990 Haney was trailing, that's right "behind" to Labrada and had the fight of his life, but nevertheless pulled it off, now in 91 it was close, can't remember the point spread but it was very close.
in 92 Yates had easily packed on 10 pound, although on paper only showed 2 pound gained, he was drier and far more striated from top to bottom and the Christmas tree had a gazziliion striations, ham-glutes where granite and improved on his upper chest and shoulders, so tell me Wiggs if it was a close call in the judges eye in 91, how can you claim a 91 Haney would have beaten a 92 Dorian When Dorian improved by at least 10%, common sense the judges would have favoured Yates for the simple fact that they where only a hair apart the year before, again we are discussing facts not opinions- could Haney beats Yates in 92 possibly( if he presented a new package) but you lose credibility when you say a 91 Haney would've beat a 92 Yates, not 1 judge on the Olympia panel would agree with you based on the facts I stated above
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Little known fact
Lee Haney has six fingers on his left hand, however he was great at hiding it, opting for closed hand poses and careful positioning of his limbs on stage.
See the below pics.
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Dorian does not compare well Haney's shape was much too superior, rounder muscle bellies better proportions. Watch the video...
lol @ flex beating Haney. Flex was 215 and Haney was 245 and and inch taller. Flex would never ever had beaten Haney he was too small. 93 is the only year Dorian might have had a chance. 91 Haney beats 92 Yates. You gotta remember also, Haney would have improved as supplementation changed. By 93 Haney would have been 255-260. Dorian would never have outsized him. Haney comes from better stock, he can put more muscle on and still maintain his great shape. Dorian while great and legendary was kind of boxy....not Cutler boxy...but boxy.
Dorian does not compare well Haney's shape was much too superior, rounder muscle bellies better proportions. Watch the video..
This superior shape isn't an advantage it wasn't in 91 when Dorian beat Haney in the muscularity round , and it wasn't an advantage when Dorian beat , Flex ( who in my opinion kills Haney in shape ) , Shawn , Kevin and whomever else
Flex 1993 would beat Haney , I don't care what he weighs and neither do the judges. It's all about how he appears , the illusion of size and Flex was great at that
I personally think if Haney showed up looking the way he did in 91 at the 1992 Mr Olympia and Dorian showed up the same shape he did , it would be a closer contest and Haney could squeak out another win over him , by 1993 Haney would not stand a chance against him under no circumstances
Yates was so confident by 1993 that he called Haney out in Flex magazine and told him to compete in 1993 and he would beat him ( not arrogance but confidence because at this point no one knew what Yates looked like ) he said he respected Haney and just wanted a chance to beat him in return
I always thought Haney retired because he beat Arnold's record and had nothing else to prove , but if you watched his acceptance speech at the conclusion of the 1991 Mr Olympia , he said this was the first year he peaked ON the day of the contest and considering that he knows how to peak now he would compete for a couple more years , needless to say Dorian influenced his decision to retire
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haney used hgh
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You guys have to remember that Haney for years was the biggest guy on stage - dominating a field of 'smaller' bodybuilders. Some would say Labrada was a legit threat on a couple of occasions. I would say that Haney dominated, rightfully so, and that Labrada didn't have the stature or structure to beat even a slightly off Haney. I think taht kind of arguments more rest on people comparing the champ with his former (or later) best rather than with his competitiors. We've seen the same happen with Ronnie and Dorian. Take 2001 for example, being a bit off some argued he should have lost to Cutler. I think people get a bit biased 'at the moment' due to the champ having been better at an earlier point in time. Seing the pics and movies from 2001, Ronnie was a legit winner. Just imagine him showing up like in his 2001 shape in 2007... Same goes with Dorian, in 94 and in 96...and in 97. A deservedly winner in all years - though not at his best.
Anyway, I would suspect that Haney, for many years, only did what was necessary to win. He really didn't have any real threats before Yates showed up at the NOC in 91. Of course that made Haney give a little extra which was really noticable in the Mr.O that year. The close race was perhaps also due to the fat that there finally was a guy that almost had Haney's size and back. Watching pics and vids, I find it strange that Yates beat Haney in the muscularity round. Had Haney continued and competed in 92, I am sure he would have improved from his improved 91 performance. Whether he could have continued in 93 - and improved even further is impossible to say. Yates, at least, made significant improvements.
I agree with a lot of ND's opinions, but I disagree regarding Flex. Flex looks excellent in some pics from 93 - by himself. But, in comparisons he looks kind of narrow. Just look at him next to Labrada - being dwarfed (lol). Imagine Flex next to Haney.
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In a line-up....few could stand next to Haney...
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no dude...everything points otherwise...Haney was getting better every year...He admitted he finally learned how to peak on his last show and he was only 31....He would have crushed Flex, Levrone and everyone else the only real challenge would have been Yates...Well never know but very fun to discuss.
Always was a Haney Fan however you have to remember Lee had been Competing a real long time bye 1991.... in fact since the late 1970s, the fact that he did actually Peak in 1991 is Debatable as the years 1984, 1986 and 1987 have been thrashed over the years many times as to just what was Lee's all time best shape, Realistically to suggest he would of Kept on improving from 1991 on is Debatable in many accounts the main one being his bodyweight increase @ the exspence and very real possibility that his Gut would be expanding more and more taking away from his Incredible V Taper and his Arms which were becoming more and more borderline the larger he got etc etc.
Imo i doubt seriously Lee would of got any better...as in the best we saw of him in 1984, 86, 87 and 91 was going to be his best due to the points i made above, point is the emergence of any new era in any endeavor will like it or not super-ceed the predecessor on one account and ONE account only........Change.
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Yes, tell your mother Lee is a happily married man.
LOL!!!! Your fascination with Lee Haney is quite impressive. Schmoe like I would say..btw, Levrone and Flex wouldve destroyed Haney any day of the week ,son.
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I'm guessing he heard what Dorian was taking and said fuck that, I'm out! ;D
I'm guessing his wife found out what Dorian was taking and said "Lee you are out" ;)
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lee had broke arnolds record for olympia wins and saw what was on the horizon and decided to opt out,even ronnie with all his genetics was only able to tie haneys record and it will most likely never be broken.only way it was ever gonna be broken was if ronnie would have met chad nichols a couple years earlier.
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Haney wouldn't have been able to compete from 93 onwards, the levels of conditioned size were changed dramatically
But if haney had been starting out the early 90s, with his genes, and the hormones/peptides that were available and being abused, he wouldve looked like coleman with smaller arms, and a ronnie gut. A scary sight
Haney dominated his era, and retired at the perfect time
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Haney wouldn't have been able to compete from 93 onwards, the levels of conditioned size were changed dramatically
But if haney had been starting out the early 90s, with his genes, and the hormones/peptides that were available and being abused, he wouldve looked like coleman with smaller arms, and a ronnie gut. A scary sight
Haney dominated his era, and retired at the perfect time
finally someone with some sense, thank you :)
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finally someone with some sense, thank you :)
Lee was awesome but after 93 or 94 he would have been lucky to crack the top 10 because of his arms and legs, very mediocre arms and legs but who knows what would have happened if he stepped up the gear use to what everybody else was using.
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Lee was awesome but after 93 or 94 he would have been lucky to crack the top 10 because of his arms and legs, very mediocre arms and legs but who knows what would have happened if he stepped up the gear use to what everybody else was using.
Yes, one of the O commentators in 91 said "Hes like Haney with better legs!" about Dorian, I believe she mentioned something about how his back was as good or better than Haneys too (not 100% positive about the last part).
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Lee guest posing.
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lacked in calves and arms a bit . his thighs were good very good . lat spread the best .