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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: purenaturalstrength on December 16, 2011, 08:02:31 AM
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"The safety stack as far as hairloss is concerned would be a cycle consisting of Primobolan, Oxandrolone and Deca. Take into account that Deca, although being very mild for your hair, is not nearly as safe as oxandrolone and primobolan as far as HPTA supression and gynecomastia is concerned. If you want to play it completely safe when using steroid and avoid jeopardizing your health (and not only your hair) use cycles consisting of Oxandrolone and Primobolan."
http://www.hairloss-research.org/steroids.html
so assuming this is true, are these steroids effective or weak and barely worth it?
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if this is true and still delivers some worthwhile strength and muscle gains i will order this crap and swallow/inject it
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Primo and anavar are quite expensive, but sure, go ahead.
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Primo and anavar are quite expensive, but sure, go ahead.
but do they work significantly or only percentiles small competitive edge over naturals?
because REMEMBER FELLAS TESTOSTERONA IS THE HEART TRENBOLONA THE COCK GHONA THE BRAIN
i dont see any of these roids in gh15 stories, so do they work?
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but do they work significantly or only percentiles small competitive edge over naturals?
because REMEMBER FELLAS TESTOSTERONA IS THE HEART TRENBOLONA THE COCK GHONA THE BRAIN
i dont see any of these roids in gh15 stories, so do they work?
Never used Primo, but I heard it's quite good. Anavar is alright, bit mild. If you're gonna juice, go for tren + low test + equi then add in masteron at a later stage.
TMET fella TMET
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Just use the best steroids and then use topical DHT blockers instead of finasteride/dutasteride. That way you don't have to be afraid of the side effects. Google is your friend but I think spironolactone is the one people use.
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guys what do you pay for trenbalonie ?
i really wanna 'invest' in tren ace since it gets all the hype around here, but it's so damn fucking expensive in comparison
e.g.
100 tab. 10mcg of tasty dbol - 20 dolaros
1 vial 10ml 100mg test prop - 20 dolaros
1 vial 10 ml 100mg tren ace - 80 dolaros :'(
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just deca
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Just use the best steroids and then use topical DHT blockers instead of finasteride/dutasteride. That way you don't have to be afraid of the side effects. Google is your friend but I think spironolactone is the one people use.
i actually bought spironolactone topical
but then googled side effects and people got gyno etc
fuuuuuckkkkkkkkkkkk
so still have it never used it
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i'm going to the gym now friends
please can anyone tell me if you can get big and strong from these "hair safe" steroids?
thanks getbig
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topical spiro doesn't really work, you have to ingest it for it to work and then it still doesn't work that great but ruins your kidneys.
just take deca. primo and var will cause some hair loss if you're prone to it
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i'm going to the gym now friends
please can anyone tell me if you can get big and strong from these "hair safe" steroids?
thanks getbig
yes you can you spaz :P
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but do they work significantly or only percentiles small competitive edge over naturals?
LOL, someone who has never taken anything could/would make absolutely ridiculous strength gains off of a good dose of Anavar stacked with one of those injectables.
There is no free ride however.
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if this is true and still delivers some worthwhile strength and muscle gains i will order this crap and swallow/inject it
(http://austrianeconomists.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451eb0069e2011570ea5170970c-800wi)
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guys what do you pay for trenbalonie ?
i really wanna 'invest' in tren ace since it gets all the hype around here, but it's so damn fucking expensive in comparison
e.g.
100 tab. 10mcg of tasty dbol - 20 dolaros
1 vial 10ml 100mg test prop - 20 dolaros
1 vial 10 ml 100mg tren ace - 80 dolaros :'(
Where? LOL!
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80 dollars for 10ml tren ace? Someone is getting filthy rich over backs of hard willing bodybuilders. The real price of that should be much lower (50 USD lower).
And the other stuff is little on the high side too (especially D-bol is more then twice the price) but its not too bad all things considering.
Shit,I know a guy who was selling 100 D-Bols for 100 dollars and people were buying them.
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80 dollars for 10ml tren ace? Someone is getting filthy rich over backs of hard willing bodybuilders. The real price of that should be much lower (50 USD lower).
And the other stuff is little on the high side too (especially D-bol is more then twice the price) but its not too bad all things considering.
in most gyms around the country a bottle of tren ace will run you 100-150 dollars.
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in most gyms around the country a bottle of tren ace will run you 100-150 dollars.
if it cost you 30 dolaros vial of trenbolona ace....unles you buy in major bulk you are nto geting it fuly dosed ,, dosed right trenbolona ace wil be 50-60 dolaros,, thats for 100mg per cc,, if you see it for 35 and balonie like that there is no trenbolona tha is dosed acurate inside vial no mater what you hear
gh15 approved
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if it cost you 30 dolaros vial of trenbolona ace....unles you buy in major bulk you are nto geting it fuly dosed ,, dosed right trenbolona ace wil be 50-60 dolaros,, thats for 100mg per cc,, if you see it for 35 and balonie like that there is no trenbolona tha is dosed acurate inside vial no mater what you hear
gh15 approved
Nordic tren ace is less than $50/vial...
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ofcoruse it aL can change if you brother od suplier or friend or whatever other thing,, then you can get anything for free or for 30 dolaros lol,, im talking prices for regular fellas
gh15 approved
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Nordic tren ace is less than $50/vial...
im talking in amricana ,, globaly can be litle cheapr,, again if you see it go for 20-30 dolaros you do nto i repeat do nto and wil nto get it dosed acuratly
gh15 approved
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topical spiro doesn't really work, you have to ingest it for it to work and then it still doesn't work that great but ruins your kidneys.
just take deca. primo and var will cause some hair loss if you're prone to it
aha, this reminds me of the pm
so deca is the safe one when it comes to hair but
deca at 100mg/week will surpress your natural testosterone by 99% and thus it will reduce any levels of dht in your body to 0, which is the prime androgen responsible for hairloss.
isn't this bad for your dick and overall manliness? 1% testosterone left? or am I misreading this?
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this doesn't sound very good
Now for the worst news: Deca-Durabolin is a progestin (as are all nandrolones), unfortunately; it happens to stimulate the progesterone receptor 20% as well as progesterone itself (3), and this opens the door for many possible unwanted side effects (water retention, acne, etc...). It must be noted that most of those are rare, though. This also may be the major reason that Deca is such a suppressive drug when it comes to your natural testosterone levels. We can see from the chart below that a simgle measly 100mg injection of Deca-Durabolin caused a total (100%) reduction of natural testosterone levels, and it took roughly a month to return those testosterone levels to baseline! All from 100mgs of Deca!
(http://www.steroid.com/images/Deca02.gif)
The moral of this story? Always use Testosterone with your Deca-Durabolin! I suggest 200mgs, minimum, to avoid impotence and sexual dysfunction. For an anabolic effect from that Testosterone, I recommend at least double that, with an equal amount of Deca-Durabolin (minimum). Id also recommend taking an anti-progesteronic drug with Deca-Durabolin (or at least having it on hand): Cabergoline and Bromocriptine are both good choices.
Read more: http://www.steroid.com/Deca-Durabolin.php#ixzz1gjHtX3hM
so if you only use "hair safe" steroids you kill your natural test and your dick?
fuckkkk
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so should you inject test at HRT dose while doing deca durabolin when you dont want to aggravate hairloss and also not want to kill natural test levels?
so much confusion
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i don't have any issues with it killing my dick, my libido goes down a lot but that let's me focus on more important things than women so i don't care
deca has a week and a half half-life so it will take 5 times that long for it to fully clear, leaving you suppressed. run npp and your htpa will recover faster, that is if you plan on coming off. all steroids used at any meaningful dosage will suppress your htpa so it's a moot point
and also, there are no hair safe steroids except deca at low doses. primo is pretty androgenic and a lot of people lose hair on it, anavar gives me same amount of hairloss as d-bol and eq is just milder than test but not "safe" and not something you can really gain off of anyways.
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i don't have any issues with it killing my dick, my libido goes down a lot but that let's me focus on more important things than women so i don't care
deca has a week and a half half-life so it will take 5 times that long for it to fully clear, leaving you suppressed. run npp and your htpa will recover faster, that is if you plan on coming off. all steroids used at any meaningful dosage will suppress your htpa so it's a moot point
and also, there are no hair safe steroids except deca at low doses. primo is pretty androgenic and a lot of people lose hair on it, anavar gives me same amount of hairloss as d-bol and eq is just milder than test but not "safe" and not something you can really gain off of anyways.
(http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/12/58/61f6e03ae7a0534f1fe22210.L.jpg)
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dan duchaine was a lot bigger than me though. he was a beast, no way i can measure up to him in regards to size...
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i don't have any issues with it killing my dick, my libido goes down a lot but that let's me focus on more important things than women so i don't care
deca has a week and a half half-life so it will take 5 times that long for it to fully clear, leaving you suppressed. run npp and your htpa will recover faster, that is if you plan on coming off. all steroids used at any meaningful dosage will suppress your htpa so it's a moot point
and also, there are no hair safe steroids except deca at low doses. primo is pretty androgenic and a lot of people lose hair on it, anavar gives me same amount of hairloss as d-bol and eq is just milder than test but not "safe" and not something you can really gain off of anyways.
hmmmm
this is disappointing to hear :-\
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For what you're looking for, tren ace is your best friend. At small amounts, probably less than 40mg eod it will act as a SARM. You avoid most side effects and reap the androgenic/anabolic benefits. You will still affect your HTPA if you do it for prolonged periods of time (more than 2weeks at 40mg eod).
Adding a small amount of oxandrolone to this will assure you have an anabolic in the mix since tren ace with prolonged usage will cause androgenic properties to increase.
This is a relatively safe stack if you're not competing and want to look good on the beach; but do not except results as with higher and longer dosages.
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guys what do you pay for trenbalonie ?
i really wanna 'invest' in tren ace since it gets all the hype around here, but it's so damn fucking expensive in comparison
e.g.
100 tab. 10mcg of tasty dbol - 20 dolaros
1 vial 10ml 100mg test prop - 20 dolaros
1 vial 10 ml 100mg tren ace - 80 dolaros :'(
Tren is fucking cheap. You can make it yourself. When I was in college, I ordered a pack of the finaplix-h from Southern States, and a fina kit and made it myself for about $55. It isn't that hard, and you know you won't be jipped.
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Where? LOL!
those are the prices in Poland
and 80 dolaros is worth more in Poland than in the US i guess
still, i don't know if it's worthwile to save up for tren if it's 4 x more expensive than test prop >:(
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hmmmm
this is disappointing to hear :-\
the same hormones that make your dick work, and help with brain function are also the ones that build muscle and make your hair fall out. there's no way to separate the pros from the cons. your best route would be with just using nandrolone at low dosages.
do you even know if you have hairloss? if you're losing hairloss already, naturally, then you are pretty fucked regardless unless you want to block all androgen activity in your body for the rest of your life
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Tren is fucking cheap. You can make it yourself. When I was in college, I ordered a pack of the finaplix-h from Southern States, and a fina kit and made it myself for about $55. It isn't that hard, and you know you won't be jipped.
That's right, make your own, it's easy, safe and you know you got real gold.
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That's right, make your own, it's easy, safe and you know you got real gold.
Yeah, just don't skip the coffee filter, cause the shit wont pass through the watman otherwise, and you might be tempted to just "bottle" it up, floaties and all.
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Tren is fucking cheap. You can make it yourself. When I was in college, I ordered a pack of the finaplix-h from Southern States, and a fina kit and made it myself for about $55. It isn't that hard, and you know you won't be jipped.
i don't really want to get into da cooking business, and i heard that tren is actually pretty hard to extract
besides, i'd have a hard time getting the ingredients in poland
deca is pretty expensive too, not even mentioning prima, masteron or equi
the only cheap stuff are the orals (dbol, winny) and test in all forms
oh, and a 100 iu kit of gh is 400-500 dolaros. is that bad ?
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i don't really want to get into da cooking business, and i heard that tren is actually pretty hard to extract
besides, i'd have a hard time getting the ingredients in poland
deca is pretty expensive too, not even mentioning prima, masteron or equi
the only cheap stuff are the orals (dbol, winny) and test in all forms
oh, and a 100 iu kit of gh is 400-500 dolaros. is that bad ?
You don't cook shit, you dislove it, run it through a few filters, and add it to sterile oil. Bam, that's it, took a day to make, and that's only because you have to disolve it in the benzyl alcohol and benzoate(sp?).
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genotec is the cheapest source I have ever seen. Nordic and gear squad are also very cheap
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ofcoruse it aL can change if you brother od suplier or friend or whatever other thing,, then you can get anything for free or for 30 dolaros lol,, im talking prices for regular fellas
gh15 approved
what do you think of thorus...is the endosyn his selling legit?
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genotec is the cheapest source I have ever seen. Nordic and gear squad are also very cheap
theres another that starts with a G, i'm sure you've heard of it. it's private and cheaper than any of those and with absolutely on point gear of even the more common fakes and underdosed gear like primo and var
they're also a sponsor of PM, i'm sure you know who i'm talking about
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so in the conclusion of that article the guy says if you want to be safe use Oxandrolone and Primobolan
what do you think, bieberavatarguy?
what does rest of getbig think?
I want
*no increased hair loss
*no low test limp dick
*still some gains
possible with that "stack" ^^^^^^^^^^
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so in the conclusion of that article the guy says if you want to be safe use Oxandrolone and Primobolan
what do you think, bieberavatarguy?
what does rest of getbig think?
I want
*no increased hair loss
*no low test limp dick
*still some gains
possible with that "stack" ^^^^^^^^^^
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wes only wants to post bro science instead of actual science about steroids
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wes only wants to post bro science instead of actual science about steroids
Dude,you are one of those guys who entertains the thought of taking gear year after year,but never does it.......why bother with the questions when you know you`re never gonna` hit the juice anyway?
Bro science..........at least I try different things as far as training and eating are concerned rather than to just keep complaining about my shitty genetics and doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
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Dude,you are one of those guys who entertains the thought of taking gear year after year,but never does it.......why bother with the questions when you know you`re never gonna` hit the juice anyway?
Bro science..........at least I try different things as far as training and eating are concerned rather than to just keep complaining about my shitty genetics and doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
before i came to getbig i was very sure never use steroids
lol what are you talking about year after year
and your trainign advice is shit
the milos approach i call it ::)
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before i came to getbig i was very sure never use steroids
lol what are you talking about year after year
and your trainign advice is shit
the milos approach i call it ::)
I don`t train like Milos,and your 5 X 5 shit is for power,not hypertrophy.
I`m sure you entertained the idea of gearing up for years but were just too afraid to actually do it.
I know lots of guys like that and I know lots of guys who say they are gonna` compete year after year,but never do it.
It`s fine with me if they don`t,but if they know in their heart they`re not gonna` do it,please shut the fuck up about it.
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Oh yeah,I forgot to add..............
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I don`t train like Milos,and your 5 X 5 shit is for power,not hypertrophy.
I`m sure you entertained the idea of gearing up for years but were just too afraid to actually do it.
I know lots of guys like that and I know lots of guys who say they are gonna` compete year after year,but never do it.
It`s fine with me if they don`t,but if they know in their heart they`re not gonna` do it,please shut the fuck up about it.
qft
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before i came to getbig i was very sure never use steroids
lol what are you talking about year after year
and your trainign advice is shit
the milos approach i call it ::)
In your opinion what is causes muscular hyperthropy? Is it an increased training load? And what do you think about this idea/theory that as one gets bigger and stronger then need to train less and rest more in order to continue to get ever bigger and stronger? (Which is basically Mentzer and AJ's idea/theory BTW)
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so in the conclusion of that article the guy says if you want to be safe use Oxandrolone and Primobolan
what do you think, bieberavatarguy?
what does rest of getbig think?
I want
*no increased hair loss
*no low test limp dick
*still some gains
possible with that "stack" ^^^^^^^^^^
Yea 40 mg anavar ed + 100 mg primobolan eod can get you a beach body and very low sides...
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In your opinion what is causes muscular hyperthropy? Is it an increased training load? And what do you think about this idea/theory that as one gets bigger and stronger then need to train less and rest more in order to continue to get ever bigger and stronger? (Which is basically Mentzer and AJ's idea/theory BTW)
basically you need to lift progressively heavier weights
dorian yates, mark dugdale also agree with mentzer and arthur jones on the idea that the heavier you lift the less sets you would do
i hate the "pump and pose" aka "milos approach" so goddamn hard, "wes" keeps claiming this is superior for muscle growth but all it does is blow recovery on light weights
could work if heavily juiced of course
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Yea 40 mg anavar ed + 100 mg primobolan eod can get you a beach body and very low sides...
thanks for the straightforward response friend
so is this weekly dosage or daily
and how long would you take it and how long should you take breaks in between?
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basically you need to lift progressively heavier weights
dorian yates, mark dugdale also agree with mentzer and arthur jones on the idea that the heavier you lift the less sets you would do
i hate the "pump and pose" aka "milos approach" so goddamn hard, "wes" keeps claiming this is superior for muscle growth but all it does is blow recovery on light weights
could work if heavily juiced of course
Just pyramid up in weight and do more sets and reps....I`m not saying you have to do Giant-Sets and things like that,and I`m cetrtainly not advising you to use light weight by any means,just more of a bodybuilding type regimen if you are at a platuae using 5 x 5.
Whatever you do,good luck.
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Just pyramid up in weight and do more sets and reps....I`m not saying you have to do Giant-Sets and things like that,and I`m cetrtainly not advising you to use light weight by any means,just more of a bodybuilding type regimen if you are at a platuae using 5 x 5.
Whatever you do,good luck.
my training is very similar to this http://madcow.hostzi.com/5x5_Program/Periodized_5x5.htm
but I alter small things which is in fact recommended
"This program has gotten results for 30 years and still continues to get excellent results from bodybuilders, strength athletes, or those looking for better performance. It is a very good method of getting big and strong. In addition, specific to bodybuilding it breaks a lot of the typical voodoo myths running around like “training a muscle 1x per week is required for recovery” or that “isolation work is required or one will develop all out of proportion” "
i like this i hate the bodybuild routines they're crap and i tried them
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I`ve used 5 x 5 in the past and it`s a great program for power,and you will/can obviously build muscle while using it,but you will grow stagnated as far as both power and hypertrophy are concerned in a pretty quick time period.
As I said,good luck sticking to a program that you seem dissatisfied with!
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I`ve used 5 x 5 in the past and it`s a great program for power,and you will/can obviously build muscle while using it,but you will grow stagnated as far as both power and hypertrophy are concerned in a pretty quick time period.
As I said,good luck sticking to a program that you seem dissatisfied with!
it's not the program's fault, it's lack of steroids
and still i achieved far far better results on this than the bodybuilding splits
deadlift increased from 190 to 220kg in about a year
squat i can't tell for sure, my one rep max in front squat with belt and knee sleeves used to be 155kg
now my best squat is 6x160kg
i dont front squat much but sometimes i try and i can rep out 140kg with relative ease (which i remember 3x3 140kg was only possible when i was in shape and with belt and knee sleeve)
now i dont use belt or knee sleeve ever
my best bench press used to be 5x90kg or so and now 5x115kg
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it's not the program's fault, it's lack of steroids
and still i achieved far far better results on this than the bodybuilding splits
deadlift increased from 190 to 220kg in about a year
squat i can't tell for sure, my one rep max in front squat with belt and knee sleeves used to be 155kg
now my best squat is 6x160kg
i dont front squat much but sometimes i try and i can rep out 140kg with relative ease (which i remember 3x3 140kg was only possible when i was in shape and with belt and knee sleeve)
now i dont use belt or knee sleeve ever
my best bench press used to be 5x90kg or so and now 5x115kg
Sounds like you`ve increased your strength.........just as I said a 5x5 program would do..............congrats on that, but how about muscle mass increase, or any cosmetic improvements like bigger pecs,striations,smaller waistline,etc. etc. ???
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it's not the program's fault, it's lack of steroids
and still i achieved far far better results on this than the bodybuilding splits
deadlift increased from 190 to 220kg in about a year
squat i can't tell for sure, my one rep max in front squat with belt and knee sleeves used to be 155kg
now my best squat is 6x160kg
i dont front squat much but sometimes i try and i can rep out 140kg with relative ease (which i remember 3x3 140kg was only possible when i was in shape and with belt and knee sleeve)
now i dont use belt or knee sleeve ever
my best bench press used to be 5x90kg or so and now 5x115kg
Why don't you try inserting extra rest days and see what happens? I talk with a certain dude here via PM's about training and what not, and he told me that he is now training legs every 14 days or so and his legs are getting bigger and stronger. And yes, this dude is a lifetime natty.
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Why don't you try inserting extra rest days and see what happens? I talk with a certain dude here via PM's about training and what not, and he told me that he is now training legs every 14 days or so and his legs are getting bigger and stronger. And yes, this dude is a lifetime natty.
Why not workout once a month ???
::)
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Sounds like you`ve increased your strength.........just as I said a 5x5 program would do..............congrats on that, but how about muscle mass increase, or any cosmetic improvements like bigger pecs,striations,smaller waistline,etc. etc. ???
you can't increase muscle mass without increasing hormone levels
stop with the fucking bro science you're pissing me off
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you can't increase muscle mass without increasing hormone levels
stop with the fucking bro science you're pissing me off
Then why train at all ?
Get on the juice and stop just dreaming about it.
You can always improve drugs or not,there`s no way your natural potential is maxed out for Christs sake.
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Why not workout once a month ???
::)
You know Dave Mass right? He is a HIT guy, so I'm curious what his thoughts are on this idea/theory that one must train less (ie. less volume and less often) in order to continue size and strength gains.
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Dude,stop thinking about special 5x5 routines,stupid routins,waka-maka routines,balonie routines.You need to trains basic,feel the damn muscled working,get serious pump,rest well and eat like an animal.Enough with this balonie routines,special programs made by gurus...
Yeap,40 mg anavar each day and 100 mg primo each other day,it won't give your arnold's physique,but you will get good gains past your natural condition.In other words you will give the impression of a good genetic guy,a pleasing psyhique.As for duration,run it for 3 months,see what have you gained,then you could think of other products.
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Dude,stop thinking about special 5x5 routines,stupid routins,waka-maka routines,balonie routines.You need to trains basic,feel the damn muscled working,get serious pump,rest well and eat like an animal.Enough with this balonie routines,special programs made by gurus...
Yeap,40 mg anavar each day and 100 mg primo each other day,it won't give your arnold's physique,but you will get good gains past your natural condition.In other words you will give the impression of a good genetic guy,a pleasing psyhique.As for duration,run it for 3 months,see what have you gained,then you could think of other products.
^^THIS^^
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At 100mg anavar ed for 7-8 weeks(ran that 3 times) i experienced hightened hair loss. (i am genetically inclined to lose hair i think, in the frontal area)
But not as much as on test for instance, when i started test at 500mg ew i experienced sick hair loss, coming out every morning under the shower. I started finastride again wich i previously stopped taking, it did stop the hair loss a lot, but only after multiple weeks.(i recommend starting finastride couple of weeks before the test cycle if you're inclined to hair loss)
The finastride stopped my hair loss but really made the small gyno i had on the left side more itchy and bigger. (thats why i stopped taking finastride it works on my gyno even without gear)
So i started topical solutions including the finastride and added 10mg of nolva eod wich works while i'm on now.
I am off cycle in about 3 weeks, then i will do pct, and stop finastride after that. (but continue to do topical shit i think, it isnt that a bother.)
As Bieber previously said you are fucked if you are genetically inclined to lose hair.
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Dude,stop thinking about special 5x5 routines,stupid routins,waka-maka routines,balonie routines.You need to trains basic,feel the damn muscled working,get serious pump,rest well and eat like an animal.Enough with this balonie routines,special programs made by gurus...
Yeap,40 mg anavar each day and 100 mg primo each other day,it won't give your arnold's physique,but you will get good gains past your natural condition.In other words you will give the impression of a good genetic guy,a pleasing psyhique.As for duration,run it for 3 months,see what have you gained,then you could think of other products.
well i always feel the right muscle working
on bench press i always feel the pecs on squats always the quads
so getting stronger in those basic exercises seems to make sense
thanks for the advice i think i will do this stuff if i can find a legit way to obtain it
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Shit,I know a guy who was selling 100 D-Bols for 100 dollars and people were buying them.
Akrihin dbols have been sold here local for up to 1.5-2$ for pill...
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You know Dave Mass right? He is a HIT guy, so I'm curious what his thoughts are on this idea/theory that one must train less (ie. less volume and less often) in order to continue size and strength gains.
Dave is a personal friend of mine,but he originally built his size training on volume as did Mentzer.
I`m prett sure Dave would advise training less and with all out intensity,but Mentzers/Jones dogna hardly works for everyone and when it does work,it is usually a volume guy switching things up and progressing because he actually recuperted from his marathon type training by switching to HIT and allowing his body to rest up.
You have to find the line between doing too much and doing too little.
The more is better syndrome doesn`t work,nor does the train once in a blue moon type system,unless you are genetically superior.
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Akrihin dbols have been sold here local for up to 1.5-2$ for pill...
Crazy prices!!
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At 100mg anavar ed for 7-8 weeks(ran that 3 times) i experienced hightened hair loss. (i am genetically inclined to lose hair i think, in the frontal area)
But not as much as on test for instance, when i started test at 500mg ew i experienced sick hair loss, coming out every morning under the shower. I started finastride again wich i previously stopped taking, it did stop the hair loss a lot, but only after multiple weeks.(i recommend starting finastride couple of weeks before the test cycle if you're inclined to hair loss)
The finastride stopped my hair loss but really made the small gyno i had on the left side more itchy and bigger. (thats why i stopped taking finastride it works on my gyno even without gear)
So i started topical solutions including the finastride and added 10mg of nolva eod wich works while i'm on now.
I am off cycle in about 3 weeks, then i will do pct, and stop finastride after that. (but continue to do topical shit i think, it isnt that a bother.)
As Bieber previously said you are fucked if you are genetically inclined to lose hair.
i googled the topical spironolactone and a lot of guys claim it also causes gyno etc like finasteride
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i googled the topical spironolactone and a lot of guys claim it also causes gyno etc like finasteride
I am taking minoxidil i don't know if it's similar.
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I am taking minoxidil i don't know if it's similar.
no minoxidil is a vasodilator, spironolactone is a topical dht inhibitor
minoxidil doesnt really work i think but i still use it, cheap and risk free
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about to start my first cycle-Im bald already-women love it-too bad Im married ;D
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Akrihin dbols have been sold here local for up to 1.5-2$ for pill...
This stuff, or some of those fake bottles?
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ZLRlWy7UvnQ/TISHZOS7CzI/AAAAAAAACaU/Y_muQTikbxE/s1600/1.jpg)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ZLRlWy7UvnQ/S1L-TWLoBHI/AAAAAAAAA4I/wv1ntShYqjs/s1600/66.jpg)
Akrihin, best steroid product ever! Probably because it was the first steroid I tried. :D
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This stuff, or some of those fake bottles?
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ZLRlWy7UvnQ/TISHZOS7CzI/AAAAAAAACaU/Y_muQTikbxE/s1600/1.jpg)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ZLRlWy7UvnQ/S1L-TWLoBHI/AAAAAAAAA4I/wv1ntShYqjs/s1600/66.jpg)
Akrihin, best steroid product ever! Probably because it was the first steroid I tried. :D
1st picture is the bomb my fave dboll
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(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ZLRlWy7UvnQ/S1L-TWLoBHI/AAAAAAAAA4I/wv1ntShYqjs/s1600/66.jpg)
i can get that bottle for literally 10 $
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i hate the "pump and pose" aka "milos approach" so goddamn hard, "wes" keeps claiming this is superior for muscle growth but all it does is blow recovery on light weights
could work if heavily juiced of course
why take training to either retarded extreme? (HIT or light pumping) - go do 4-5x sets of 10 with your 12RM and see how that works, then do some lighter work for 10 sets and whatever isolation you have energy for.
legit Primo will eat your hairline like a puppy eats shoes btw.
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so in the conclusion of that article the guy says if you want to be safe use Oxandrolone and Primobolan
what do you think, bieberavatarguy?
what does rest of getbig think?
I want
*no increased hair loss
*no low test limp dick
*still some gains
possible with that "stack" ^^^^^^^^^^
if you read the post i made in this thread, a few posts above this one, you will see i already commented on this and having all of these 3 things together is not possible.
it is subjective though and you may already have lost all of your androgen sensitive hairs already and may not even notice any increased hairloss from using steroids.
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"The safety stack as far as hairloss is concerned would be a cycle consisting of Primobolan, Oxandrolone and Deca. Take into account that Deca, although being very mild for your hair, is not nearly as safe as oxandrolone and primobolan as far as HPTA supression and gynecomastia is concerned. If you want to play it completely safe when using steroid and avoid jeopardizing your health (and not only your hair) use cycles consisting of Oxandrolone and Primobolan."
http://www.hairloss-research.org/steroids.html
so assuming this is true, are these steroids effective or weak and barely worth it?
nothing "causes" hair loss unless you have the genes, juice will speed it up if you have a bunch of bald male relatives.
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nothing "causes" hair loss unless you have the genes, juice will speed it up if you have a bunch of bald male relatives.
90% of people have the gene for hairloss though. it just varies in the extent of how many hair follicles it effects and to what degree. even people who "don't lose hair" on steroids, still have significantly less hair than they did in their teenage years.
everyone has hairloss to some degree, it's part of human (and some species of ape) genetics for some reason.
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90% of people have the gene for hairloss though. it just varies in the extent of how many hair follicles it effects and to what degree. even people who "don't lose hair" on steroids, still have significantly less hair than they did in their teenage years.
everyone has hairloss to some degree, it's part of human (and some species of ape) genetics for some reason.
i can GAURANTEE you im one of the exceptions, if anything my hair grows thicker and easier now at 40 than it did at 18.
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i can GAURANTEE you im one of the exceptions, if anything my hair grows thicker and easier now at 40 than it did at 18.
that's really weird but i don't doubt it since i've seen people with extremely thick heads of hair at an old age. it's truly a rare sight to see.
do you use any steroids now or use any preventative hair loss products like finasteride or dustasteride?
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i can GAURANTEE you im one of the exceptions, if anything my hair grows thicker and easier now at 40 than it did at 18.
Bastard! ;D
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that's really weird but i don't doubt it since i've seen people with extremely thick heads of hair at an old age. it's truly a rare sight to see.
do you use any steroids now or use any preventative hair loss products like finasteride or dustasteride?
lol, im just gonna say "no comment" but you can draw whatever conclusions from that you want, lets just say from 1999 until now my hair has been thick and full. ;D
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This stuff, or some of those fake bottles?
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ZLRlWy7UvnQ/TISHZOS7CzI/AAAAAAAACaU/Y_muQTikbxE/s1600/1.jpg)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ZLRlWy7UvnQ/S1L-TWLoBHI/AAAAAAAAA4I/wv1ntShYqjs/s1600/66.jpg)
Akrihin, best steroid product ever! Probably because it was the first steroid I tried. :D
The first the real, it was very rare to find them here so when someone got his hands on them he would sell them right away for such high price.
I was about to get some, but the source gone down right when i was about to order...
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lol, im just gonna say "no comment" but you can draw whatever conclusions from that you want, lets just say from 1999 until now my hair has been thick and full. ;D
finasteride gives me worse hairloss than tren, so i have no luck in this regard
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pns is very interested in roids, dont think hes gonna be natural anymore in the future
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finasteride gives me worse hairloss than tren, so i have no luck in this regard
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I'd be more worried about estrogen sides than DHT if I was you :D
(http://i.imgur.com/Yl5JW.jpg)
~lil' cutey~