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I been hearing a lot lately to eat when hungry and dont worry so much about food, just eat a lot and make sure you get enough protein. How much protein do you guys take in? Is it working well? And do you need at least 1 gram per pound bodyweight or can you make good gains with less?
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1.5-2 grams per pound nothing less.
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I been hearing a lot lately to eat when hungry and dont worry so much about food, just eat a lot and make sure you get enough protein. How much protein do you guys take in? Is it working well? And do you need at least 1 gram per pound bodyweight or can you make good gains with less?
yeah I don't measure it ever. I just eat when I feel hungry, and I eat a lot more than you can believe. I eat minimum 24 but more normally 48 egg whites a day on top of many other meals with protein. I have never counted until now, but I can't imagine a day when I get less than 400 grams (more often I get 500 + I just calculated) and I am a very lean 230.
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yeah I don't measure it ever. I just eat when I feel hungry, and I eat a lot more than you can believe. I eat minimum 24 but more normally 48 egg whites a day on top of many other meals with protein. I have never counted until now, but I can't imagine a day when I get less than 400 grams (more often I get 500 + I just calculated) and I am a very lean 230.
thats about right you should be shooting for 460grams. but 500 works.
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Damn thats a lot. I am going to work my way up to about 360, my goal weight is 240 lbs short term. So 1.5 g per lb. How do you guys incorporate carbs? Just whenever you feel like, before working out? Or do you incorporate them with each meal?
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Damn thats a lot. I am going to work my way up to about 360, my goal weight is 240 lbs short term. So 1.5 g per lb. How do you guys incorporate carbs? Just whenever you feel like, before working out? Or do you incorporate them with each meal?
I incorpororate at least 30 grams of carbs per meal unless I am on a cutt cycle.
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250g per day
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Ronnie Coleman said in his video that the reason for his increased mass was the increase in protein from 300gms to 500gms a day, but probably the increase in gh from 15 -40 ius a day was the more accurate explanation! ;D
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yeah I don't measure it ever. I just eat when I feel hungry, and I eat a lot more than you can believe. I eat minimum 24 but more normally 48 egg whites a day on top of many other meals with protein. I have never counted until now, but I can't imagine a day when I get less than 400 grams (more often I get 500 + I just calculated) and I am a very lean 230.
Can you give example of your typical daily meal plan?
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eating 500grams of protein is not cheap nor easy.
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eating 500grams of protein is not cheap nor easy.
and stupid.
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and stupid.
well technically you are supppose to eat 1.5-2 grams of protein per pound so if ronnie was just 250lbs 500mg would be about right. plus you want to eat lean proteins and if you are on HGh and steroids all that protein goes to the right spots. I don't think it's stupid at all. the man was trying to be the best in the world.
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well technically you are supppose to eat 1.5-2 grams of protein per pound so if ronnie was just 250lbs 5000mg would be about right. plus you want to eat lean proteins and if you are on HGh and steroids all that protein goes to the right spots. I don't think it's stupid at all. the man was trying to be the best in the world.
i dont buy into that. there's no real proof anyone's ever come up with to support that either.
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Cant afford to eat even 140 grams nowadays... ;D :'( ;D :'(
LOL
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Cant afford to eat even 140 grams nowadays... ;D :'( ;D :'(
LOL
Thats all you need stud. This extreme amounts of protein is bullshit. Your body won't absorb 500 grams of protein. It will just piss it out and strain your system trying to use it all. If you are on gear you need less protein.
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i dont buy into that. there's no real proof anyone's ever come up with to support that either.
well you do whatever you want to do but that is what most bodybuilders will eat 1.5-2grams per pound. dosn't mean you have to follow it but protein is important and whn you are using HGH and steroids itg will push it in all the right places. has to be good proteins lots of chicken breasts, lots of salmon, ribeye,herring all good choices. It is expensive. but becoming a pro will cost you almost 6 figures with the drugs and food.
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Thats all you need stud. This extreme amounts of protein is bullshit. Your body won't absorb 500 grams of protein. It will just piss it out and strain your system trying to use it all. If you are on gear you need less protein.
;D 8)
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well you do whatever you want to do but that is what most bodybuilders will eat 1.5-2grams per pound. dosn't mean you have to follow it but protein is important and whn you are using HGH and steroids itg will push it in all the right places. has to be good proteins lots of chicken breasts, lots of salmon, ribeye,herring all good choices. It is expensive. but becoming a pro will cost you almost 6 figures with the drugs and food.
6 figures total or per year?
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i dont buy into that. there's no real proof anyone's ever come up with to support that either.
I agree 100% !!
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6 figures total or per year?
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Not just on food but if your talking juice, top dollar HGH, tanning, training gurus, accupuncture,massages. it gets up there. 75,000$ to 100,000$.
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6 figures total or per year?
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Not just on food but if your talking juice, top dollar HGH, tanning, training gurus, accupuncture,massages. it gets up there. 75,000$ to 100,000$.
wtf man.. :-\ :-X
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I agree 100% !!
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I've never calculated exactly. But i just make sure there is a decent protein portion in each meal. If i had to guesstimate id say 180-250g a day aprox depending on how many meals i do and what those consist of.
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1.5-2 grams per pound nothing less.
i just don't believe numbers like this anymore. jay cutler says 1.2 in his book ceo muscle. milos says 1.0 for everyone, 1.5 for the athletically inclined individual, and 2.0 for the serious bodybuilder. lee haney says just 1.0 served him throughout his courier.
i tried counting how many i needed and i came out with like 75 grams five times a day... ::) just impossible and ridiculous. so for me, each meal is comprised of a lean protein about the size of my fist, complex carbohydrate portion about the size of my fist with my other hand wrapped around it, and as much veggies as i like, with some fruit thrown in here and there. and, if on gear, then that works for me. i grow 27-34 lbs in 12 weeks.
eat what you can, cut empty calories--you need that space! and keep it balanced.
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I used to be in the high protein high fat crew but soon realised the need for carbs and when on aas the need for alot of carbs to push more water and fullness to the muscle! Trouble is I found the amount of calories I was consuming too high when I took in extra carbs and protein and now I tend to reduce the amount of protein rather then carbs to keep my condition and fullness. I think the value of carbs is more important and often underated with bodybuilders that seem to think protein is still the holy grail when it comes to muscle size. ;D
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I used to be in the high protein high fat crew but soon realised the need for carbs and when on aas the need for alot of carbs to push more water and fullness to the muscle! Trouble is I found the amount of calories I was consuming too high when I took in extra carbs and protein and now I tend to reduce the amount of protein rather then carbs to keep my condition and fullness. I think the value of carbs is more important and often underated with bodybuilders that seem to think protein is still the holy grail when it comes to muscle size. ;D
Agree.
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once you think about it rationally it becomes obvious that no one needs more than a few meals per day with a decent portion of meat at each, whether cutting or bulking.
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at this point in time?
100-170 grams of protein is more than enough
anything over 200 for me causes a lot of problems and doesn't make me look any better... actually it makes me look much worse.
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Bit more than 150gms in this trolley!!! ;D
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what blows my mind is how are some of you even getting 500g of protein per day? do you spend all day eating? do you chug protein shakes all day?
i am willing to bet that a lot of that whey is getting undigested and you are most likely shitting it out
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what blows my mind is how are some of you even getting 500g of protein per day? do you spend all day eating? do you chug protein shakes all day?
i am willing to bet that a lot of that whey is getting undigested and you are most likely shitting it out
And straining the fuck out of your kidneys
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My maximum was 350gr a day. My urine smelled like amonia so i guess i was overdoing it. Honestly i can't see myself capable of eating more than that amount.
But the results were impressive, i gained lots of lean mass while on a small amount of steroids.
In the past i have done the opposite: +-200gr protein daily, lots of carbs/fats and bigger drug regimen. Didn't had the same results.
So protein works.
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at this point in time?
100-170 grams of protein is more than enough
anything over 200 for me causes a lot of problems and doesn't make me look any better... actually it makes me look much worse.
Damn and you're friggin big. I've seen a pic of you and its hard to believe you can maintain your weight and muscle mass on that amount considering you're probably at least 240. You got any recent pics you posted up?
And when you are dieting for a contest how much protein do you aim for?
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When you're eating enough carbs you'll need less protein since none of it will be converted into glucose for energy. I'm trying to find a balance since too many carbs tend to bloat me and just generally have me feeling like ass. Overall I think more than 1g per lb would be a waste for me. Though if it was higher I would feel and look better cause of the way I react to carbs.
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Eating a lot of protein is a myth, the supplement company's put this in your head that you need a lot of protein so you can spend your saving money on them. your body can digest certain amount of protein at the time, pushing to much protein in to your stomach does not mean all protein will be digested most likely it goes to a bowl. Is not a hormone the more you take the bigger you get :)
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Eating a lot of protein is a myth, the supplement company's put this in your head that you need a lot of protein so you can spend your saving money on them. your body can digest certain amount of protein at the time, pushing to much protein in to your stomach does not mean all protein will be digested most likely it goes to a bowl. Is not a hormone the more you take the bigger you get :)
Having no evidence that 2 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight is optimal doesn't necessarily mean it is a myth. There is simply no scientific data to support it. Nor is there any scientific data out there to prove that 2 grams per pound of bodyweight WOULDNT be helpful to bodybuilders.
All there is is testimonials from users of anabolics on what has worked for them. Which is the poimt of this thread. Not hating. Just opening up room for argument.
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Eating tons of protein as a natural is a waste ofc,but when you're blasting AAS,things chance,protein synthesis goes up by miles and you are able to asimilate it much better.
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Timing of your carbs & protein is also probably more important! Stacking in the carbs after training just makes logical sense and then putting the protein in large amounts in the evening & through the night when the body is repairing also seems logiical! ;D
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Timing of your carbs & protein is also probably more important! Stacking in the carbs after training just makes logical sense and then putting the protein in large amounts in the evening & through the night when the body is repairing also seems logiical! ;D
This process is taking much longer than a single night, however i agree about the carbs post workout.
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at this point in time?
100-170 grams of protein is more than enough
anything over 200 for me causes a lot of problems and doesn't make me look any better... actually it makes me look much worse.
once you think about it rationally it becomes obvious that no one needs more than a few meals per day with a decent portion of meat at each, whether cutting or bulking.
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Here is my day today:
7:30 AM - 5 iu gh, 20 mgs DBol, 1 small container of egg whites, 3 cans pineapple juice 50 grams protein
10:30 AM - 3 Dunkin Donuts, 1 large iced coffee, 1 large container egg whites 100 grams protein
12:30 PM - 4 Fruit and Grain Breakfast bars
1:30 PM - 2 cans pineapple juice, 20 mgs DBol, Roast Beef sandwich with bacon, red onion, lettuce, tomato, and dressing on a hero. 40 grams protein
4:00 PM - 4 Fruit and Grain breakfast bars
5:00 PM - 1 small container egg whites 50 grams protein
7:30 PM - 5 iu gh, 20 mgs DBol, 500 mgs vit b5, 3 cans pineapple juice
8:30 PM - Train Bi's, Tri's, Abs, Calves
Warm up 10 minutes on stairmaster
Alternating standing dumbbell curls: 30 lb dumbbells x 20 (each arm) (warm up), 50 lb dumbbells x 10, 60 lbs dumbbells x 10, 70 lb dumbbells x 10
Hammer Dumbbell Concentration Curls: 30 lb Dumbbell x 10 each arm, 35 lb Dumbbell x 10, 40 lbs dumbbell x 10
EZ Bar Curls (using bar with pre-loaded weight): 2 sets of triple drops doing 10 with a heavy bar, 10 with a lighter weight bar, and 10 with and even lighter weight bar
Tri's
Dumbbell Skull Crushers: 35 x 10 (each arm), 45 x 10 (each arm), 50 x 10 (each arm)
Reverse grip cable pull downs: 4 sets using heavy weight with good form on stack
Weighted Dip Machine: 2 sets pyramiding weight up
Calves
Calf Press on Plate Loaded leg press: 3 plates on each side doing 10 reps with feet placed normally, feet outverted, and feet inverted totally 30 reps per set - 3 sets of these
Abs
Decline bench crunches: 3 sets x 20 reps using bodyweight
10:00 PM (post workout) - 10 iu gh (shot IV), 1 twix ice cream bar, 2 cans pineapple juice, 1 small container egg whites 50 grams protein
12:30 AM - Ice cream (as much as I feel), 1 large container egg whites, 5 iu gh, 1.5 cc Nordic Test 25, .5 cc Nordic Masteron 100, 1 cc Deca 200, 500 mgs vit b5 100 grams protein
Sleep
390 grams Total protein for me today. This is about average. Usually between 3 and 500.
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Bigher:
Do you drink the egg whites or cook them?
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Bigher:
Do you drink the egg whites or cook them?
Drink... I haven't had cooked egg whites in close to a year.
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Drink... I haven't had cooked egg whites in close to a year.
Because they taste like shit
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Bigher how much you wight? and whats up with the carbs? do you eat whole food, chicken, fish, beef?
I will share my daily diet:
Meal 1: 1 bowl cereal or oats, 8 egg whites, 1 can pineapple juice or banana
Meal 2: Chicken and rice or frice
Meal 3: Beef and rice or buckwheat
Pre workout snack : 3 peanut butter on a rice cakes or protein bar and 1 can pineapple juice
Train
Post workout: unflavored protein shake with 1 can pineapple juice
Meal 4:sushi or any fish
Meal 5:2 peanut butter on rice cakes 8 egg whites and ice cream
Total about 300 grams of protein
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Here is my day today:
7:30 AM - 5 iu gh, 20 mgs DBol, 1 small container of egg whites, 3 cans pineapple juice 50 grams protein
10:30 AM - 3 Dunkin Donuts, 1 large iced coffee, 1 large container egg whites 100 grams protein
12:30 PM - 4 Fruit and Grain Breakfast bars
1:30 PM - 2 cans pineapple juice, 20 mgs DBol, Roast Beef sandwich with bacon, red onion, lettuce, tomato, and dressing on a hero. 40 grams protein
4:00 PM - 4 Fruit and Grain breakfast bars
5:00 PM - 1 small container egg whites 50 grams protein
7:30 PM - 5 iu gh, 20 mgs DBol, 500 mgs vit b5, 3 cans pineapple juice
8:30 PM - Train Bi's, Tri's, Abs, Calves
Warm up 10 minutes on stairmaster
Alternating standing dumbbell curls: 30 lb dumbbells x 20 (each arm) (warm up), 50 lb dumbbells x 10, 60 lbs dumbbells x 10, 70 lb dumbbells x 10
Hammer Dumbbell Concentration Curls: 30 lb Dumbbell x 10 each arm, 35 lb Dumbbell x 10, 40 lbs dumbbell x 10
EZ Bar Curls (using bar with pre-loaded weight): 2 sets of triple drops doing 10 with a heavy bar, 10 with a lighter weight bar, and 10 with and even lighter weight bar
Tri's
Dumbbell Skull Crushers: 35 x 10 (each arm), 45 x 10 (each arm), 50 x 10 (each arm)
Reverse grip cable pull downs: 4 sets using heavy weight with good form on stack
Weighted Dip Machine: 2 sets pyramiding weight up
Calves
Calf Press on Plate Loaded leg press: 3 plates on each side doing 10 reps with feet placed normally, feet outverted, and feet inverted totally 30 reps per set - 3 sets of these
Abs
Decline bench crunches: 3 sets x 20 reps using bodyweight
10:00 PM (post workout) - 10 iu gh (shot IV), 1 twix ice cream bar, 2 cans pineapple juice, 1 small container egg whites 50 grams protein
12:30 AM - Ice cream (as much as I feel), 1 large container egg whites, 5 iu gh, 1.5 cc **** Test 25, .5 cc **** Masteron 100, 1 cc Deca 200, 500 mgs vit b5 100 grams protein
Sleep
390 grams Total protein for me today. This is about average. Usually between 3 and 500.
So much food, but the food choices are so minimal...
btw how much ml/oz per pineapple can?
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Bigher how much you wight? and whats up with the carbs? do you eat whole food, chicken, fish, beef?
I will share my daily diet:
Meal 1: 1 bowl cereal or oats, 8 egg whites, 1 can pineapple juice or banana
Meal 2: Chicken and rice or frice
Meal 3: Beef and rice or buckwheat
Pre workout snack : 3 peanut butter on a rice cakes or protein bar and 1 can pineapple juice
Train
Post workout: unflavored protein shake with 1 can pineapple juice
Meal 4:sushi or any fish
Meal 5:2 peanut butter on rice cakes 8 egg whites and ice cream
Total about 300 grams of protein
Hey bro,
I'm sitting right around 250 right now. My recent progress thread is here if you wanna check it out, this is from a little over a month ago:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=401997.0
What do you mean by what's up with the carbs? Not enough oooorrr??
I eat a lot of whole food and hardly ever do whey shakes. I actually just at 10 oz. tilapia before writing this. I work a lot so my schedule is tight and a lot of times it is just easier for me to drink a carton of egg whites. So some days I may have 3-4 meals based off drinking egg whites with the other 2-3 meals being whole food. Other day's it'll be more whole food and less eggs. Love red meat in my diet. It really fills me out.
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So much food, but the food choices are so minimal...
btw how much ml/oz per pineapple can?
Dole, 6 oz cans. Fresh Pineapple juice, NOT from concentrate. Approx. 25 grams carbs per can.
The variety of food options in my day is generally based off that days schedule. Some days I'll have 2 meals in restaurants with my girl. Others it will be a busy day with work and it will look more like this where it's just some basic, easy to eat on the go meals where I am trying to get the calories in.
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Dole, 6 oz cans. Fresh Pineapple juice, NOT from concentrate. Approx. 25 grams carbs per can.
The variety of food options in my day is generally based off that days schedule. Some days I'll have 2 meals in restaurants with my girl. Others it will be a busy day with work and it will look more like this where it's just some basic, easy to eat on the go meals where I am trying to get the calories in.
why pinapple juice overf grapfruit juice. grapfruits are more anabolic I believe
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why pinapple juice overf grapfruit juice. grapfruits are more anabolic I believe
Pineapple juice cleanses your liver.
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Pineapple juice cleanses your liver.
gh15 doesn't mention it but the bromelain in pineapples id great at protein digestion along with many other benefits. And grapefuits are good but can interact with many medications and potentially do more harm than good.
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Doesn't this go against the whole "dont count calories or anything...eat when you're hungry, just take in a decent amount of protein and train and take steroids" thinking that goes on around here.
What is 'optimal'?
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Damn and you're friggin big. I've seen a pic of you and its hard to believe you can maintain your weight and muscle mass on that amount considering you're probably at least 240. You got any recent pics you posted up?
And when you are dieting for a contest how much protein do you aim for?
240?!?! LOL... i'm barely 215 lbs when i'm fat ;D ... i compete at around 190 lbs or so, and the last contest i prepped for I was eating something like 200 grams of protein or so (maybe a bit more maybe a bit less... depends if i skip a meal or eat more in a meal)... 2-3 meals a day. now i'm eating far less (as said, 100-170 gr) and getting the same kinds of results. it's the drugs (aas+fat burners) that do it, not the protein ;)
and here are some pics from around 2 months ago... haven't taken pics since then but i dropped a lot more fat (waist here was 35.5 and now it's 34)... weight was around 96 here, and now it's 93.5 kg
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240?!?! LOL... i'm barely 215 lbs when i'm fat ;D ... i compete at around 190 lbs or so, and the last contest i prepped for I was eating something like 200 grams of protein or so (maybe a bit more maybe a bit less... depends if i skip a meal or eat more in a meal)... 2-3 meals a day. now i'm eating far less (as said, 100-170 gr) and getting the same kinds of results. it's the drugs (aas+fat burners) that do it, not the protein ;)
and here are some pics from around 2 months ago... haven't taken pics since then but i dropped a lot more fat (waist here was 35.5 and now it's 34)... weight was around 96 here, and now it's 93.5 kg
how tall are you bro? ???
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5'7 :-X :-X
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Buselmo, have you ever been able to maintain the ''post contest'' fullness for a long time ?
I love feeling that pumped but it only lasts like.. 2 weeks :-\
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3rd week i start to get love handles back..................
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Looking good buselmo. In your avi at promus I think you had hair lol you def looked like 240. Anyway, definitely gunna try out the lower protein intake and see if I notice any difference. I'll up the carbs I suppose and keep the fat the same.
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Just read a feature by Kai Green says his offseason diet is 700gms of protein a day and 260gms of carbs and 120gms of fats! Says he always has had at least 2gms of protein per ibs of bodyweight. So this guy has relatively low carbs and huge amonuts of protein offseason? Confusing ? ???
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I heard that too. When he was with Oscar he did that. I think since teaming up with Farah he has dropped it down. Tbh, whatever he was doing was just too much because it was contributing to a huge gut of his. But more likely was slin abuse.
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Buselmo, have you ever been able to maintain the ''post contest'' fullness for a long time ?
I love feeling that pumped but it only lasts like.. 2 weeks :-\
I don't have post contest fullness... i only have bloat... 3 days after the contest my weight is up 6-8 lbs and my waist is up atleast an inch... love handles grow back to where they were, and abs are all washed out and that's how i look like all year long :'( ... if you want "fullness", you're gonna have to cut out your carbs on weekdays, and eat shit on weekends... that always worked for me (weekends here are thursdays and fridays), so on saturday, i'm big and full again but look a bit fat... sunday and monday i look my best, tuesday and wednesday flat as a pancake and so on.
you want pumped all day long for as long as you want? 12 iu GH 3 days per week, 30-45 iu slin (R) with the GH days in the same shot (15 iu with every 4 iu of gh shot), and 80-100 mg dbol.
when i did that, i shit you not, my arms were 19 inches, and my upper chest was pumped and popping out all the time (i don't have an upper chest... just bottom tits that look like gyno)... but i couldn't walk for more than 5 minutes straight cuz my back locks up and my hams would hurt
did that when i went to montreal with the wife... i had girls hitting on me and asking me for my phone number and facebook... LOL... needless to say, the wife wasn't happy and told me that i'm getting too big and it doesn't look pretty... LOL
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when you think about how much protein is recommended (something like 1.5-2g per bodyweight) it's comes out to about ~400grams on average for most of us. just imagine how much actual meat that equals when there's roughly 40 grams of protein in 4 ounces of lean chicken meat and then imagine stapling that same 2 pounds worth of chicken breast you just imagined onto your quad, or your bicep as newly acquired muscle.
no one will ever put on 1 pound of muscle in 1 single day, let alone 2+ pounds worth of the amino acids recommended to consume. if you look at how much muscle people accumulate after years and years of lifting, when they are in dry contest condition, it's really not much extra muscle fiber, most of their added mass (especially on steroids) is from glycogen and water filling the muscle bellies and also a little bit of a pump effect. anybody who has been in keto before knows the feeling of being flat and looking like you lost half your muscle size, but we know logically it's just a state of being carb depleted - however this logic doesn't seem to carry over when it comes to fact that steroids inherently increase glycogen storage and water retention in the muscle (subsequently, ignoring this fact is what has driven the myth that lack of a "real pct" will result in muscle loss).
anyways, the numbers for protein recommendations are all over the place, in a book that i have that's written by alan aragon, he has various recommendations from various nutritionists with various studies supporting them. the numbers vary wilder, from 1gram per bodyweight to over 2 grams. why such discrepancy and inconsistency? because no one knows how much protein someone needs to intake before they start losing actual muscle fiber because there are so many variables for why muscle get's broken down.
also note a very, very important overlooked fact to these protein recommendations: they were all designed in mind for natural bodybuilders, who can go into a state of catabolism very easily, especially in a calorie deficit and the larger protein recommendations are consequently a result of the body shifting protein turnover from favoring protein accretion to protein degradation in stressful situations, and overfeeding protein is the futile solution to poorly combat this mechanism.
but when someone is on massive mounts of steroids, GH and insulin and their protein synthesis is through the rough, their protein degradation at minimal levels, their corticosteroids are suppressed - do they really need that much protein when their body is utilizing most of the protein for anabolism, and even if the body were to put on 0.1 pounds of muscle in a day (that's 0.7 pounds of dry, contest ready muscle fiber a week!) that's only 16 grams of protein a day to accomplish that. clearly, the protein requirements for most of us, considering the amount of PED's used, is highly excessive.
now, with all that being said and taking all that into consideration, i still eat about 300-400 grams of protein a day ;D
there is nothing on this planet that tastes better than a perfectly medium-well prepared filet mignon, and protein is also the healthiest of all of the macronutrients so what the hell, why not? however, do i think if someone were to cut their protein intake in half, and instead spend the extra money on tren or hgh, would they get better gains and results? absolutely, especially considering just how expensive dietary protein is and most people overlook the monthly costs of their foodbills.
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Looking good buselmo. In your avi at promus I think you had hair lol you def looked like 240. Anyway, definitely gunna try out the lower protein intake and see if I notice any difference. I'll up the carbs I suppose and keep the fat the same.
LOL!
weird... i'm supposed to be as bald as a turtle (thanks to my dad)... but i'm 30 now and my hair is the same as it was when i was 25 (when i started AAS)... it's stopped falling... weird... still looks like ass... sides grow thick and long and the top barely grows and is thin, with the monkey ass bald spot in the back... LOL
it was good to have hair way back when :'( ... actually, losing the hair was one of the reasons why i started bodybuilding
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when you think about how much protein is recommended (something like 1.5-2g per bodyweight) it's comes out to about ~400grams on average for most of us. just imagine how much actual meat that equals when there's roughly 40 grams of protein in 4 ounces of lean chicken meat and then imagine stapling that same 2 pounds worth of chicken breast you just imagined onto your quad, or your bicep as newly acquired muscle.
no one will ever put on 1 pound of muscle in 1 single day, let alone 2+ pounds worth of the amino acids recommended to consume. if you look at how much muscle people accumulate after years and years of lifting, when they are in dry contest condition, it's really not much extra muscle fiber, most of their added mass (especially on steroids) is from glycogen and water filling the muscle bellies and also a little bit of a pump effect. anybody who has been in keto before knows the feeling of being flat and looking like you lost half your muscle size, but we know logically it's just a state of being carb depleted - however this logic doesn't seem to carry over when it comes to fact that steroids inherently increase glycogen storage and water retention in the muscle (subsequently, ignoring this fact is what has driven the myth that lack of a "real pct" will result in muscle loss).
anyways, the numbers for protein recommendations are all over the place, in a book that i have that's written by alan aragon, he has various recommendations from various nutritionists with various studies supporting them. the numbers vary wilder, from 1gram per bodyweight to over 2 grams. why such discrepancy and inconsistency? because no one knows how much protein someone needs to intake before they start losing actual muscle fiber because there are so many variables for why muscle get's broken down.
also note a very, very important overlooked fact to these protein recommendations: they were all designed in mind for natural bodybuilders, who can go into a state of catabolism very easily, especially in a calorie deficit and the larger protein recommendations are consequently a result of the body shifting protein turnover from favoring protein accretion to protein degradation in stressful situations, and overfeeding protein is the futile solution to poorly combat this mechanism.
but when someone is on massive mounts of steroids, GH and insulin and their protein synthesis is through the rough, their protein degradation at minimal levels, their corticosteroids are suppressed - do they really need that much protein when their body is utilizing most of the protein for anabolism, and even if the body were to put on 0.1 pounds of muscle in a day (that's 0.7 pounds of dry, contest ready muscle fiber a week!) that's only 16 grams of protein a day to accomplish that. clearly, the protein requirements for most of us, considering the amount of PED's used, is highly excessive.
now, with all that being said and taking all that into consideration, i still eat about 300-400 grams of protein a day ;D
there is nothing on this planet that tastes better than a perfectly medium-well prepared filet mignon, and protein is also the healthiest of all of the macronutrients so what the hell, why not? however, do i think if someone were to cut their protein intake in half, and instead spend the extra money on tren or hgh, would they get better gains and results? absolutely, especially considering just how expensive dietary protein is and most people overlook the monthly costs of their foodbills.
^^^this
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Good post aesthetic. And damn buselmo, crazy changes, hard to believe its the same person lol.
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Good post aesthetic. And damn buselmo, crazy changes, hard to believe its the same person lol.
those pics are around 10 years apart now... crazy how i looked the same until 2007 (face wise)... then spending a year with drilling... i aged about 10 more years in the face... :'(
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I'm not at the level a lot of you guys may be at, but for me going from 220-245 this year I was eating about 200-250g protein per day. I ate a lot of carbs though, probably like 500g a day or so, and 75-100g fat unless I had a cheat meal that day.
I'm one that doesn't map out a specific diet. I end up force feeding myself and feel like shit and walk around bloated feeling. So I eat when I'm hungry and try to get 40-60g from solid food or milk everytime I eat and fill up on carbs like potatoes, pasta, rice, or cocoa pebbles. I usually get pizza for me and the fam once a week, and I'm a sucker for Hardee's and Wendy's burgers so I get at least one to three fast food meals a week too. In between meals if I'm a little hungry or know I'm not going to be around food for a while I'll drink a whey shake with about 50g in it, and I take pre/intra and post protein and carbs supps.
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gh15 doesn't mention it but the bromelain in pineapples id great at protein digestion along with many other benefits. And grapefuits are good but can interact with many medications and potentially do more harm than good.
this is the only benefit i see. although it may have antioxidant properties like many fruits. but i think gh15's claims about it helping the liver are completely unscientific and only his opinion/speculation. (correct me if i'm wrong)
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I don't have post contest fullness... i only have bloat... 3 days after the contest my weight is up 6-8 lbs and my waist is up atleast an inch... love handles grow back to where they were, and abs are all washed out and that's how i look like all year long :'( ... if you want "fullness", you're gonna have to cut out your carbs on weekdays, and eat shit on weekends... that always worked for me (weekends here are thursdays and fridays), so on saturday, i'm big and full again but look a bit fat... sunday and monday i look my best, tuesday and wednesday flat as a pancake and so on.
you want pumped all day long for as long as you want? 12 iu GH 3 days per week, 30-45 iu slin (R) with the GH days in the same shot (15 iu with every 4 iu of gh shot), and 80-100 mg dbol.
when i did that, i shit you not, my arms were 19 inches, and my upper chest was pumped and popping out all the time (i don't have an upper chest... just bottom tits that look like gyno)... but i couldn't walk for more than 5 minutes straight cuz my back locks up and my hams would hurt
did that when i went to montreal with the wife... i had girls hitting on me and asking me for my phone number and facebook... LOL... needless to say, the wife wasn't happy and told me that i'm getting too big and it doesn't look pretty... LOL
thinking back, I remember the fullest I have been was when I used your "diet plan" last fall when I ate like you said, no carbs on weekdays and whatever I wanted on weekends
the fullness I had on saturday night was fucking awesome 8)
I remember going to the movies and everyone was staring at me while I was eating for 30$ of junk while watching the movie
I'll start back gh and slin soon, just letting the roids change my physique back to where it was 2 months ago before I had to go clean :-X
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this is the only benefit i see. although it may have antioxidant properties like many fruits. but i think gh15's claims about it helping the liver are completely unscientific and only his opinion/speculation. (correct me if i'm wrong)
I agree that it doesn't do shit for the liver. I am constantly battling a fatty liver (for a variety of reasons) and I LIVE on pineapple juice. I go through tons of it, and it never helped my liver in anyway. OTC liver supps did far more for my liver than pineapple juice.
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when you think about how much protein is recommended (something like 1.5-2g per bodyweight) it's comes out to about ~400grams on average for most of us. just imagine how much actual meat that equals when there's roughly 40 grams of protein in 4 ounces of lean chicken meat and then imagine stapling that same 2 pounds worth of chicken breast you just imagined onto your quad, or your bicep as newly acquired muscle.
according to milos 4 oz = 25 g protein.
no one will ever put on 1 pound of muscle in 1 single day, let alone 2+ pounds worth of the amino acids recommended to consume. if you look at how much muscle people accumulate after years and years of lifting, when they are in dry contest condition, it's really not much extra muscle fiber, most of their added mass (especially on steroids) is from glycogen and water filling the muscle bellies and also a little bit of a pump effect. anybody who has been in keto before knows the feeling of being flat and looking like you lost half your muscle size, but we know logically it's just a state of being carb depleted - however this logic doesn't seem to carry over when it comes to fact that steroids inherently increase glycogen storage and water retention in the muscle (subsequently, ignoring this fact is what has driven the myth that lack of a "real pct" will result in muscle loss).
i think what you're missing here is that protein is not just for muscle; it's considered the only building nutrient. and the body uses it to repair all sorts of bodily tissues. "whatever physiologic metabolic need."
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1.5g per KILO (2.2lbs) is more than enough in most cases. Healthy muscle is made up of around 20-22% muscle protein (amino acids) the rest is water, minerals, fibres etc. That means every 1kg (2.2lb) of muscle you add requires roughly 200-220g (7.1-7.8oz) of amino acids in the blood to directly create the tissue. Amino acids are used in other tasks such as tissue repair, creation of new tissues else where and in making things such as hormones etc, anything other than the required amount to get the job done then l the body actually converts this into glucose (energy) theough a very taxing process. This process leaves behind ammonia which darkens the urine if in excessive ammounts. Many bodybuilders who over eat protein could make the same gains by dropping their protein intake and upping their carbs (each provide 4cal per gram). The only thing to add here is that the human digestion system does not absord 100% of everything, this can vary on individuals, drug use, health, age life style etc however once in the blood stream the human body is very efficient. I would actually say 30g a day over your maintenence levels would be more than enough if not on the excessive side.