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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: BFG on December 20, 2011, 04:57:24 PM
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Perusing this board I couldnt help but notice the constant references to "cycles" with relatively low levels of testosterone, complaints about how testosterone makes you look "puffy," how other anabolics are so much superior to testosterone and even read someone suggest trenbolone as a first cycle.
If you have zero interest in becoming a successful bodybuilder then by all means pursue drug stacks with low - or zero - testosterone.
The fact of the matter is testosterone is the single most important drug in bodybuilding. First off, the concept of "cycles" is a terrible idea if you are trying to develop an outstanding physique. Do not ever come off testosterone, this should be common sense. You need higher testosterone levels than the human male will naturally produce to maintain - and obviously build - an impressive amount of muscle mass. A typical pro (or any successful bodybuilder for that matter) would have an offseason drug stack based around the "blast and cruise" concept. For example:
Weeks 1-12
4,000mg testosterone in various esters
200mg TNE pre workout
100mg dbol pre workout
100mg anadrol pre workout
1,050mg trenbolone acetate per week
2,000mg equipoise
1,050mg npp
1,000mg deca durabolin
32iu serostim daily
IM 15iu humalog prior to every meal
IM 30iu humalog prior to training
120mcg IGF-1 injected bilaterally in muscles trained
Weeks 13-16
2,000mg testosterone in various esters
16iu serostim daily
1,000mg equipoise
1,000mg deca durabolin
REPEAT to some degree, changing varying drug doses etc.
The point is that testosterone is necessary in large doses to promote muscle growth and size and to maintain that same muscle. In fact, there are a number of current pros whose offseason drugs are simply testosterone, deca, hgh and insulin. Trenbolone, equipoise, etc. often have an extremely amplified effect on metabolism and make it harder to gain weight when testosterone assists in letting most nutrients go into muscular (and yes, fat) storage.
The biggest bodybuilders are on the most testosterone, end of story.
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THE BIGGEST BODYBUILDERS ARE ON THE MOST HIGH QUALITY DRUGS AND RESPOND WELL TO THEM.
SOMEONE ON 1 GRAM OF TREN AND 900MG EQ WITH 15IU GH VS. 1.9-2G TEST WITH 15IU GH. WHOSE THE BIGGER BODYBUILDER?
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THE BIGGEST BODYBUILDERS ARE ON THE MOST HIGH QUALITY DRUGS AND RESPOND WELL TO THEM.
SOMEONE ON 1 GRAM OF TREN AND 900MG EQ WITH 15IU GH VS. 1.9-2G TEST WITH 15IU GH. WHOSE THE BIGGER BODYBUILDER?
Assuming genetics are the same, 2 grams of testosterone will be bigger in size than 1g tren and 900mg eq. The latter may look bigger due to definition and hardness, but wont be.
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Assuming genetics are the same, 2 grams of testosterone will be bigger in size than 1g tren and 900mg eq. The latter may look bigger due to definition and hardness, but wont be.
KILL YOURSELF. 900MG EQ +1 GRAM TREN WILL BE A BIGGER BODYBUOLDER. 2 GRAMS OF TEST WILL HOLD MORE WATER, BUT NOT MORE MUSCLE AND NOT AT A SIMILAR CONDITION. IM TALKING EVERYTHING THE SAME DIET,TRAINING, GENETICS,ETC.
THE TREN, EQ GUY WILL LOOK BETTER THAN THE T ONLY GUY.
HIGH ANABOLIC FTW!
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KILL YOURSELF. 900MG EQ +1 GRAM TREN WILL BE A BIGGER BODYBUOLDER. 2 GRAMS OF TEST WILL HOLD MORE WATER, BUT NOT MORE MUSCLE AND NOT AT A SIMILAR CONDITION. IM TALKING EVERYTHING THE SAME DIET,TRAINING, GENETICS,ETC.
THE TREN, EQ GUY WILL LOOK BETTER THAN THE T ONLY GUY.
HIGH ANABOLIC FTW!
Looking "better" is not the same as holding more muscle mass. I am not trying to be rude, but you do not seem to know much about AAS.
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Holy shit, 10+ grams gear/week? :o :o :o
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shut up bfg
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heu bfg remember how i predicted naps comeback on ur website and got down voted for it?
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I'd like to hear gh15's opinion on this. Looks like a real pro bodybuilder stack for sure
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I'd like to hear gh15's opinion on this. Looks like a real pro bodybuilder stack for sure
That is a metric fuck ton of gear.
Would also like to hear GH's thoughts.
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Looking "better" is not the same as holding more muscle mass. I am not trying to be rude, but you do not seem to know much about AAS.
Bitch please,
An hipopotamus holds more muscle than a lion, but who is the king of the forest?
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Bitch please,
An hipopotamus holds more muscle than a lion, but who is the king of the forest?
Are you aware that bodybuilders diet the fat off at a later point?
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Who can afford all that gear. All of that would have me in the hospital. I like the general idea though.
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LOL. Four grams of test a week? Are you retarded? Most people start getting diminishing returns after 750mg/week and most people report no difference between 1.5g/week and 2g/week.
Much better to have some test, some EQ, some deca, some tren, etc. Split up your AAS and enjoy the various qualities of the different drugs.
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LOL. Four grams of test a week? Are you retarded? Most people start getting diminishing returns after 750mg/week and most people report no difference between 1.5g/week and 2g/week.
Much better to have some test, some EQ, some deca, some tren, etc. Split up your AAS and enjoy the various qualities of the different drugs.
Just out of curiosity, how much testosterone do you think a national level bodybuilder is running at any given point in their offseason?
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I love how everyone is so quick to shoot him down, yet knows no pro bodybuilder's actual stacks
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Just out of curiosity, how much testosterone do you think a national level bodybuilder is running at any given point in their offseason?
4g seems quite high to me, but for sure much more than 750--that's nothing.
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4g seems quite high to me, but for sure much more than 750--that's nothing.
I can see anywhere from 2.5-4g of test. This stack really seems pretty standard to me for the top olympia competitors. 1,050mg tren and 32iu hgh with all that slin seems spot on
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I love how everyone is so quick to shoot him down, yet knows no pro bodybuilder's actual stacks
some pros run ridiculous amounts, some run less than gymrats. it depends on how well they respond, anyways, it's the gh, insulin and seo that gets them to their size not the ridiculous amount of steroids because there is a point where there's no longer any benefit received to running a higher dosage and all it does is increase the side effects.
there is really no reason to run 4 grams of test a week in a 10gram a week cycle, it's just idiotic. not to say there aren't pros doing that but it's not going to help them add anymore muscle than half that dosage.
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4g seems quite high to me, but for sure much more than 750--that's nothing.
It is high, thats the point. That is the "blast" part of the protocol. The baseline for this given individual (and yes, this is a real current pro's offseason protocol given to him by his "guru") is 2,000mg.
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It is high, thats the point. That is the "blast" part of the protocol. The baseline for this given individual (and yes, this is a real current pro's offseason protocol given to him by his "guru") is 2,000mg.
Is this a pro winning shows? Or someone with sub-par genetics that has to make up for "okay" response with 10g of gear?
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some pros run ridiculous amounts, some run less than gymrats. it depends on how well they respond, anyways, it's the gh, insulin and seo that gets them to their size not the ridiculous amount of steroids because there is a point where there's no longer any benefit received to running a higher dosage and all it does is increase the side effects.
there is really no reason to run 4 grams of test a week in a 10gram a week cycle, it's just idiotic. not to say there aren't pros doing that but it's not going to help them add anymore muscle than half that dosage.
No pros run less than gym rats.
Part of the genetics of being a pro is being able to utilize the large amount of drugs for anabolism without oversaturation and diminishing returns.
Again, it needs to be understood this is not the baseline level of testosterone - consider the first stack written out his "cycle" and his "off" is the second stack described.
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Is this a pro winning shows? Or someone with sub-par genetics that has to make up for "okay" response with 10g of gear?
I'm not in the business of being deliberately cryptic and giving you hints about who it is nor am I in the business of throwing out pro bodybuilder's illegal drug stacks over the internet. I posted this cycle so you could see the idea of the importance of testosterone for true top level bodybuilders. And no one that is a pro has sub-par genetics...compared to the rest, maybe, but even the worse looking pro has above average response to hormones.
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LOL. Four grams of test a week? Are you retarded? Most people start getting diminishing returns after 750mg/week and most people report no difference between 1.5g/week and 2g/week.
Much better to have some test, some EQ, some deca, some tren, etc. Split up your AAS and enjoy the various qualities of the different drugs.
i'm going to have to agree with everything here. going from 1gram of test to 2grams only made the sides effects worse, the gains however did not subsequently increase. i felt absolutely horrible with no appreciable benefit. if i were to ever run test again it would probably be around 500mg to 750mg at the max, in a mixed stack of various different injectables, orals, gh, insulin, etc...
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(http://fitnessanddefense.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/arnold-schwarzenegger-big.jpg)
(http://www.musclenet.com/vic.jpg)
(http://www.gmv.com.au/images/2011%20Bodybuilding%20pix/MASTERS%20OF%20MUSCLE%201%20FTP/MikeQuinn.jpg)
(http://members.fortunecity.com/guyheaven/bodybuilders/newman/fullsize/newman10.jpg)
hope this helps..
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I love how everyone is so quick to shoot him down, yet knows no pro bodybuilder's actual stacks
Or posted a pic looking to be anywhere in his league, physique wise.
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i'm going to have to agree with everything here. going from 1gram of test to 2grams only made the sides effects worse, the gains however did not subsequently increase. i felt absolutely horrible with no appreciable benefit. if i were to ever run test again it would probably be around 500mg to 750mg at the max, in a mixed stack of various different injectables, orals, gh, insulin, etc...
You did/do not have the genetics for pro level bodybuilding. In all fairness, very few people - even those with no chance of going pro - won't see a huge difference in gains from 1g to 2g's of test.
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Lol at BFG saying I don't mean to be rude to NOSLEEP, meanwhile in the post before that NOSLEEP tells BFG to "Kill Himself"
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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bfg, you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. everything you've ever posted here that i've read has been pretentious garbage that was entirely incorrect on multiple levels.
i imagine you are a 150 pound nerd with bifocals and suspenders typing up theoretical steroid cycles similar to a fat nerd writing fantasy football fanfiction. too inept and cowardly to actually participate in the sport so you just resort to living vicariously in your fantasy world you've constructed.
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I would be the last person to shoot down what he's saying but the key here is the GH amount being used with the grams and grams of test. Anyone who has gone to upper levels with anabolic know what these things do to you mentally and emotionally (basically turn you into a headcase). You end up thinking all this weird crazy shit like people are out to get you or looking at you or whatever. This is assuming you were to try this without the gh though.
I use to always wonder why pros were always very closed off like they were nervous or something like that and maybe this is why. Think about how much 32 iu's of GH would cost to maintain that level of usage for months not to mention the lengths one would need to go through to get that much serostim. WTF?
It makes my head hurt just thinking about it honestly but I don't think BFG is just pulling this shit out of his ass...its just to detailed to be all bullshit! :)
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bfg, you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. everything you've ever posted here that i've read has been pretentious garbage that was entirely incorrect on multiple levels.
i imagine you are a 150 pound nerd with bifocals and suspenders typing up theoretical steroid cycles similar to a fat nerd writing fantasy football fanfiction. too inept and cowardly to actually participate in the sport so you just resort to living vicariously in your fantasy world you've constructed.
why are you hostile? You just stated that you did not see results from adding an extra 1,000mg of testosterone. Your genetics dictate your level of response to hormones, a lot of people fail trying to turn pro and in the process overuse drugs that their body cant use anymore and burn out. Honestly, if you did not see much greater results from 2,000mg of testosterone please do not take that route. No amount of insulin, growth hormone or liver toxic orals can compensate for that but they will burn you out.
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No pros run less than gym rats.
Part of the genetics of being a pro is being able to utilize the large amount of drugs for anabolism without oversaturation and diminishing returns.
Again, it needs to be understood this is not the baseline level of testosterone - consider the first stack written out his "cycle" and his "off" is the second stack described.
ITS NOT JUST RESPONSE TO DRUGS, ITS THE FACT THEY GET QUALITY DRUGS.WHAT GOOD IS RUNNING 600MG EQ, IF ITS REALLY DOSED LIKE 300MG?
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Lol at BFG saying I don't mean to be rude to NOSLEEP, meanwhile in the post before that NOSLEEP tells BFG to "Kill Himself"
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
fucking lol I noticed that too
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Lol at BFG saying I don't mean to be rude to NOSLEEP, meanwhile in the post before that NOSLEEP tells BFG to "Kill Himself"
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
RULES OF THE T-DOME.
:D
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THE BIGGEST BODYBUILDERS ARE ON THE MOST HIGH QUALITY DRUGS AND RESPOND WELL TO THEM.
SOMEONE ON 1 GRAM OF TREN AND 900MG EQ WITH 15IU GH VS. 1.9-2G TEST WITH 15IU GH. WHOSE THE BIGGER BODYBUILDER?
Would Eq/Tren still not need a test base?
Even if just to keep above baseline Test levels?
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Would Eq/Tren still not need a test base?
Even if just to keep above baseline Test levels?
ID KEEP TEST IN THERE...AT THE LEAST OF 150MG. BUT IM SURE U CAN TAKE TEST OUT,SOME PEOPLE KEEP PROVIRON OR MASTERON AS A BASE INSTEAD.
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why are you hostile? You just stated that you did not see results from adding an extra 1,000mg of testosterone. Your genetics dictate your level of response to hormones, a lot of people fail trying to turn pro and in the process overuse drugs that their body cant use anymore and burn out. Honestly, if you did not see much greater results from 2,000mg of testosterone please do not take that route. No amount of insulin, growth hormone or liver toxic orals can compensate for that but they will burn you out.
i wasn't talking about that post, in fact i didn't even bother reading it because like everything else you've ever posted it wasn't worth the time reading, and rather i was speaking generally about everything i've ever seen you post, which has been wrong, and very dumb.
anyways, i had much better results lowering the test dosage and combining it with another hormone. upping test dosage doesn't seem to have any benefit past a certain point even when it's in a stack however adding more hormones or upping the dosage on other compounds will yield better gains. this isn't even taking into consideration the increase in side effects.
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ID KEEP TEST IN THERE...AT THE LEAST OF 150MG. BUT IM SURE U CAN TAKE TEST OUT,SOME PEOPLE KEEP PROVIRON OR MASTERON AS A BASE INSTEAD.
tren base 8)
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bfg, you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. everything you've ever posted here that i've read has been pretentious garbage that was entirely incorrect on multiple levels.
i imagine you are a 150 pound nerd with bifocals and suspenders typing up theoretical steroid cycles similar to a fat nerd writing fantasy football fanfiction. too inept and cowardly to actually participate in the sport so you just resort to living vicariously in your fantasy world you've constructed.
ahahhahahahaha you're one to talk.
this whole post sounds like a reflection of you.
bfg has a shit ton more credibility than you do, sparky. i can guarantee hes prolly a big fucking dude in real life. you? not so much.
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Speak on this GH15 8)
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Has anyone here tried anything close to that stack before? I'd be interested to hear about it. I don't know how anyone could have an appetite with all those orals
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Has anyone here tried anything close to that stack before? I'd be interested to hear about it. I don't know how anyone could have an appetite with all those orals
Most pros smoke a fair amount of marijuana throughout the day to help stimulate appetite. Klonopin is regularly utilized for the anxiety that inevitably occurs with this level of hormone usage. Roxicodone is probably the most widely used painkiller to combat intense pain from site enhancement protocols, bad injections, etc. When injecting that many times per day, the chance of infection is greatly increased and a lot of guys just a 10 day course of Bactrim off and on or if a site looks especially suspect from prior injection. Other prescription drugs for health support when using these quantities of drugs would be Beta Blockers, SSRI's and Statins.
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Most pros smoke a fair amount of marijuana throughout the day to help stimulate appetite. Klonopin is regularly utilized for the anxiety that inevitably occurs with this level of hormone usage. Roxicodone is probably the most widely used painkiller to combat intense pain from site enhancement protocols, bad injections, etc. When injecting that many times per day, the chance of infection is greatly increased and a lot of guys just a 10 day course of Bactrim off and on or if a site looks especially suspect from prior injection. Other prescription drugs for health support when using these quantities of drugs would be Beta Blockers, SSRI's and Statins.
How much of a pros time is spent actually placing orders and waiting for drugs to bone, or is it just a constant steady stream of mail ?
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Just out of curiosity, how much testosterone do you think a national level bodybuilder is running at any given point in their offseason?
It varies wildly.
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Most pros smoke a fair amount of marijuana throughout the day to help stimulate appetite. Klonopin is regularly utilized for the anxiety that inevitably occurs with this level of hormone usage. Roxicodone is probably the most widely used painkiller to combat intense pain from site enhancement protocols, bad injections, etc. When injecting that many times per day, the chance of infection is greatly increased and a lot of guys just a 10 day course of Bactrim off and on or if a site looks especially suspect from prior injection. Other prescription drugs for health support when using these quantities of drugs would be Beta Blockers, SSRI's and Statins.
would clonopin be the choice for running 1g+/wk tren ace dosages or a ssri? I love tren but cant handle the mental sides. what would be the compound of choice for reducing trens negative mental effects?
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Spot on from that I've heard at least. There are so many lies and myths that it's hard to distinguish fact from fiction.
I don't think this is the best route to go though as far as aesthetics are concerned. As far as being competitive, I wouldn't argue unfortunately. Current bodybuilders are train wrecks. I think they should scale back the drugs and stop putting the petal to the metal. Build up a foundation and reach the same accomplishments in a slightly longer amount of time. They'll be a lot healthier and look a lot better.
Just about any old fella can abuse hormonas and get huge, but not many look good. Use the same amount of drugs spread over a longer period of time. Please... this "sport" is virtually dead. :-\
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would clonopin be the choice for running 1g+/wk tren ace dosages or a ssri? I love tren but cant handle the mental sides. what would be the compound of choice for reducing trens negative mental effects?
GH.
Keeps me cool as a cucumber.
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KILL YOURSELF. 900MG EQ +1 GRAM TREN WILL BE A BIGGER BODYBUOLDER. 2 GRAMS OF TEST WILL HOLD MORE WATER, BUT NOT MORE MUSCLE AND NOT AT A SIMILAR CONDITION. IM TALKING EVERYTHING THE SAME DIET,TRAINING, GENETICS,ETC.
HIGH ANABOLIC FTW!
hmmm,,,thats debatable..if the guy on 2 g of test is also on 15+uis of gh daily and some T3
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I'm going for 2 g of test and 20ius of gh next offseason MYSELF...I dont like to mix too many coumpounds and keep it as simple as i can...speaking of test and gh cycles only...here is my boy Swiper who blast around 3g of test and gh and adds an oral for about 5 weeks at times...those who get extremlly bloated on test is because whether there isnt enough gh in their blood or their diet is shit. Hey , what can i say , I like it the Americana way , i fucking love test and double cheeseburgers
SWIPER
(http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd472/EGUN17/swwww.jpg)
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I'm going for 2 g of test and 20ius of gh next offseason MYSELF...I dont like to mix too many coumpounds and keep it as simple as i can...speaking of test and gh cycles only...here is my boy Swiper who blast around 3g of test and gh and adds an oral for about 5 weeks at times...those who get extremlly bloated on test is because whether there isnt enough gh in their blood or they diet is shit. Hey , what can i say , I like it the Americana way , i fucking love test and double cheeseburgers
SWIPER
(http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd472/EGUN17/swwww.jpg)
Looks fucking jacked but where did the calves go?
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genetically , he isnt gifted in that deparment but trust me they arent small he is just a huge sob,,thats a physique that demands attention wherever it shows up...the guy is like 5'8 ..283 lbs ..lol...now, thats big ...kids enter at your own risk
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I'm going for 2 g of test and 20ius of gh next offseason MYSELF...I dont like to mix too many coumpounds and keep it as simple as i can...speaking of test and gh cycles only...here is my boy Swiper who blast around 3g of test and gh and adds an oral for about 5 weeks at times...those who get extremlly bloated on test is because whether there isnt enough gh in their blood or their diet is shit. Hey , what can i say , I like it the Americana way , i fucking love test and double cheeseburgers
SWIPER
(http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd472/EGUN17/swwww.jpg)
:o :o :o :o :o
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that is fucking jacked you bitches. calves are there too, its just the angle of the pic.
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i tend to think test only is not bad and cheap and simple I dont think there is diminishing returns anywhere near 750mg maybe near 3000-4000gram you might get bloated bad might not.
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genetically , he isnt gifted in that deparment but trust me they arent small he is just a huge sob,,thats a physique that demands attention wherever it shows up...the guy is like 5'8 ..283 lbs ..lol...now, thats big ...kids enter at your own risk
283lbs :o :o :o Yeah I almost thought it was the angle of the pic. You train with that monster?
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It could be my genetics, but after about 750mg to a gram I also feel that the gains diminish pretty sharply. It wasn't even something I had kept an eye out for. Some things that help are obviously GH, but if you cycle test esters it can at least give you a psychological advantage. I seem to "feel" it more, and I'm pretty confident that I feel something physical as well. It could very well be my imagination, but I'm pretty observant and think that this is probably true.
Buddy in the picture looks absolutely jacked too. Calves are a bit behind, but they're not really small. You're got to remember the brother is only 5'8" and very top heavy. I don't think I'd want to be that big lol
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genetically , he isnt gifted in that deparment but trust me they arent small he is just a huge sob,,thats a physique that demands attention wherever it shows up...the guy is like 5'8 ..283 lbs ..lol...now, thats big ...kids enter at your own risk
most of the people i talked to when i started where very fond of high dose test only cycles to and still are if you get people to talk. Its cheap it works and you dont have to manage several compounds. It seems to be more favorable to taller people from what I notice as they dont tend to bloat or looked bloated because there lengthy my self included. And as far as sides test is about the less mental and health side you can get.
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genetically , he isnt gifted in that deparment but trust me they arent small he is just a huge sob,,thats a physique that demands attention wherever it shows up...the guy is like 5'8 ..283 lbs ..lol...now, thats big ...kids enter at your own risk
that's swiper from anabolic board right?
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I can see anywhere from 2.5-4g of test. This stack really seems pretty standard to me for the top olympia competitors. 1,050mg tren and 32iu hgh with all that slin seems spot on
i have said this before a buddy of mine talked to a 3rd tier pro that critiqued his cycle...the dude said he goes up to 5g of test a week.
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that's swiper from anabolic board right?
I dont know if he posts there
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I'm going for 2 g of test and 20ius of gh next offseason MYSELF...I dont like to mix too many coumpounds and keep it as simple as i can...speaking of test and gh cycles only...here is my boy Swiper who blast around 3g of test and gh and adds an oral for about 5 weeks at times...those who get extremlly bloated on test is because whether there isnt enough gh in their blood or their diet is shit. Hey , what can i say , I like it the Americana way , i fucking love test and double cheeseburgers
SWIPER
(http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd472/EGUN17/swwww.jpg)
I will agree and disagree.
If you are on high GH then you can use all the test you want and it'll work...however in my short experience with AAS (haven't done GH yet) test got me nowhere, however when adding EQ everything started to feel right. If i had to go for 1g week it will absolutely be 1gram of EQ over 1gram of test. Hands down.
Equipona, masterona, primobolona...all great compounds im willing to experiment at high doses.
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Your test intake should match your GH intake.
Anything over 1g without GH isn't worth it.
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I will agree and disagree.
If you are on high GH then you can use all the test you want and it'll work...however in my short experience with AAS (haven't done GH yet) test got me nowhere, however when adding EQ everything started to feel right. If i had to go for 1g week it will absolutely be 1gram of EQ over 1gram of test. Hands down.
Equipona, masterona, primobolona...all great compounds im willing to experiment at high doses.
by feel right you mean you dont gain as well or just feel like shit on high doses of Test?
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I know some brazilian bodybuilders that abuse as much as they can of Durateston (brazilian sustanon) and look like completely shit.. Test is important, just not as much as BFG says, IMO
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I know some brazilian bodybuilders that abuse as much as they can of Durateston (brazilian sustanon) and look like completely shit.. Test is important, just not as much as BFG says, IMO
Has nobody here read the bible?
Every gram should have 5iu's GH minimum.
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3 month ago i talked to a brother of a pro builder, he said when his brother was offseason all he bought was testosterone in bulk, and hgh and insulin, then he would take 2-3 bottles a week with test with his hgh and insulin.....
He said thats the way you will grow.... but its many ways to rome... this Pro has been trained by yates many many years ago....
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by feel right you mean you dont gain as well or just feel like shit on high doses of Test?
Both. Im on my 5th week of EQ and now my strength is starting to improve, specially when it comes to repping out i can stay longer in the gym and i have shortened my resting periods between sets plus the pumps are huge and i feel it for the whole week not an uncomfortable soreness but a good pumped muscle feel. Of course the muscle is bigger, rounder, fuller and harder. I even have decent delts right after training them (my weakest bodypart by far) And the best is yet to come with EQ being so slow.
When i was on test alone i felt shitty like i had a cold and didn't notice anything positive from it. Im still on 500mgs and i thinking about lowering it to 1,5ml a week.
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Both. Im on my 5th week of EQ and now my strength is starting to improve, specially when it comes to repping out i can stay longer in the gym and i have shortened my resting periods between sets plus the pumps are huge and i feel it for the whole week not an uncomfortable soreness but a good pumped muscle feel. Of course the muscle is bigger, rounder, fuller and harder. I even have decent delts right after training them (my weakest bodypart by far) And the best is yet to come with EQ being so slow.
When i was on test alone i felt shitty like i had a cold and didn't notice anything positive from it. Im still on 500mgs and i thinking about lowering it to 1,5ml a week.
Equipose is an amazing compound. I get gaba related anxiety from it or I would run it non stop.
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gaba related? gammaaminobutericacid?
from memory suckaaaa
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gaba related? gammaaminobutericacid?
from memory suckaaaa
I don't know homo some kind of anxiety. I didn't even want to leave my house it was so bad.
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hmmm,,,thats debatable..if the guy on 2 g of test is also on 15+uis of gh daily and some T3
DEBATABLE....MAYBE. BUT BIBLE SAYS...GH + TREN IS A LOOK NOTHING CAN DUPLICATE.
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Spot on from that I've heard at least. There are so many lies and myths that it's hard to distinguish fact from fiction.
I don't think this is the best route to go though as far as aesthetics are concerned. As far as being competitive, I wouldn't argue unfortunately. Current bodybuilders are train wrecks. I think they should scale back the drugs and stop putting the petal to the metal. Build up a foundation and reach the same accomplishments in a slightly longer amount of time. They'll be a lot healthier and look a lot better.
Just about any old fella can abuse hormonas and get huge, but not many look good. Use the same amount of drugs spread over a longer period of time. Please... this "sport" is virtually dead. :-\
i agree that some pros are using ridiculous dosages, and in the past i've heard the same rumors and myths about 20grams of gear or more a week. however, i don't think making assumptions based off hearsay and rumors of their dosages, you could accurately extrapolate that pros are all using high dosages of test and then from that coming to the conclusion that test is necessary to reach pro level size.
pros are using every single drug imaginable, not because it works but on the offchance that they may be missing out on a 0.1 pound increase in lean body mass, so they throw the entire kitchen sink of pharmaceuticals at their body in the hopes that one of those drugs will work. there's no way to extrapolate a single steroid's efficacy from this and then use pros as an example for what works because there are too many variables, not to mention no one knows the exact dosages the pros are running since i'm sure there's great variance in their steroid usage and preference (case in point, there is someone here who will turn pro, or should turn pro and uses under 2 grams a week).
secondly, neither scientific studies nor real life experience support this idea that using massive testosterone dosages is the key to creating a pro sized person, in terms of dry contest ready muscle mass. as everyone in this thread has already eluded to in a round about way, test starts to get diminishing returns around 750mg and barely produces increases in actual muscle fiber density after that point except when using GH and insulin - because it's actually the GH and insulin that is the key to getting pro-level size.
the type of steroid someone uses is entirely irrelevant for the purposes of protein accretion, once you hit a certain milligram a week dosage of hormones you will be saturating every growth pathway possible as well as stymieing catabolic effects in the body, so from the standpoint of anabolism it is entirely irrelevant if someone uses testosterone or not. it is the GH, and insulin that create pro sized physiques, to a lesser extent SEO but that's different subject. hell, gh15 has been saying it's all GH for months now, i don't know how much more it needs to get repeated because it's entirely true.
plus, there are some people who simply respond poorly to test and can't make good gains off of it. i believe someone who already posted in this thread, flintstones i think it was or maybe lyquid, said their gains on test weren't that great and they added a lot more muscle using deca instead.
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i agree that some pros are using ridiculous dosages, and in the past i've heard the same rumors and myths about 20grams of gear or more a week. however, i don't think making assumptions based off hearsay and rumors of their dosages, you could accurately extrapolate that pros are all using high dosages of test and then from that coming to the conclusion that test is necessary to reach pro level size.
pros are using every single drug imaginable, not because it works but on the offchance that they may be missing out on a 0.1 pound increase in lean body mass, so they throw the entire kitchen sink of pharmaceuticals at their body in the hopes that one of those drugs will work. there's no way to extrapolate a single steroid's efficacy from this and then use pros as an example for what works because there are too many variables, not to mention no one knows the exact dosages the pros are running since i'm sure there's great variance in their steroid usage and preference (case in point, there is someone here who will turn pro, or should turn pro and uses under 2 grams a week).
secondly, neither scientific studies nor real life experience support this idea that using massive testosterone dosages is the key to creating a pro sized person, in terms of dry contest ready muscle mass. as everyone in this thread has already eluded to in a round about way, test starts to get diminishing returns around 750mg and barely produces increases in actual muscle fiber density after that point except when using GH and insulin - because it's actually the GH and insulin that is the key to getting pro-level size.
the type of steroid someone uses is entirely irrelevant for the purposes of protein accretion, once you hit a certain milligram a week dosage of hormones you will be saturating every growth pathway possible as well as stymieing catabolic effects in the body, so from the standpoint of anabolism it is entirely irrelevant if someone uses testosterone or not. it is the GH, and insulin that create pro sized physiques, to a lesser extent SEO but that's different subject. hell, gh15 has been saying it's all GH for months now, i don't know how much more it needs to get repeated because it's entirely true.
plus, there are some people who simply respond poorly to test and can't make good gains off of it. i believe someone who already posted in this thread, flintstones i think it was or maybe lyquid, said their gains on test weren't that great and they added a lot more muscle using deca instead.
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you dont think that was a good post, Wes?
and no I'm not asthetics ::)
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you dont think that was a good post, Wes?
and no I'm not asthetics ::)
Very good,I just like busting his balls because as a rule I don`t agree with him. :)
This post however is pretty much spot on.
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i agree that some pros are using ridiculous dosages, and in the past i've heard the same rumors and myths about 20grams of gear or more a week. however, i don't think making assumptions based off hearsay and rumors of their dosages, you could accurately extrapolate that pros are all using high dosages of test and then from that coming to the conclusion that test is necessary to reach pro level size.
pros are using every single drug imaginable, not because it works but on the offchance that they may be missing out on a 0.1 pound increase in lean body mass, so they throw the entire kitchen sink of pharmaceuticals at their body in the hopes that one of those drugs will work. there's no way to extrapolate a single steroid's efficacy from this and then use pros as an example for what works because there are too many variables, not to mention no one knows the exact dosages the pros are running since i'm sure there's great variance in their steroid usage and preference (case in point, there is someone here who will turn pro, or should turn pro and uses under 2 grams a week).
secondly, neither scientific studies nor real life experience support this idea that using massive testosterone dosages is the key to creating a pro sized person, in terms of dry contest ready muscle mass. as everyone in this thread has already eluded to in a round about way, test starts to get diminishing returns around 750mg and barely produces increases in actual muscle fiber density after that point except when using GH and insulin - because it's actually the GH and insulin that is the key to getting pro-level size.
the type of steroid someone uses is entirely irrelevant for the purposes of protein accretion, once you hit a certain milligram a week dosage of hormones you will be saturating every growth pathway possible as well as stymieing catabolic effects in the body, so from the standpoint of anabolism it is entirely irrelevant if someone uses testosterone or not. it is the GH, and insulin that create pro sized physiques, to a lesser extent SEO but that's different subject. hell, gh15 has been saying it's all GH for months now, i don't know how much more it needs to get repeated because it's entirely true.
plus, there are some people who simply respond poorly to test and can't make good gains off of it. i believe someone who already posted in this thread, flintstones i think it was or maybe lyquid, said their gains on test weren't that great and they added a lot more muscle using deca instead.
This is spot on
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you dont think that was a good post, Wes?
and no I'm not asthetics ::)
not going to speak for wes- but im going to hazzard a guess why wes busts aesthetics balls, and its prolly the same reason i do.
wes and i have both been a round a long time, and after a while you can just tell whos full of shit and who isnt. you can tell someone who has walked the walk, and someone that just talks.
aesthetics is that guy- what he writes doesnt come from personal experience, its what he reads off other boards. take BFG for example- when he posts its like hes telling you either what he has done first hand, or has seen first hand- you can just tell hes been there, or seen it done. when aesthetics posts he sounds like hes just repeating what hes reads online. if i had to put money on it, hes a kid, prolly in his early to mid 20's with shitty genetics who isnt anywhere close to having the type of physique he wants you to believe he has from his posts.
'aesthetics' is GB's new fat panda/ pumpster.
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not going to speak for wes- but im going to hazzard a guess why wes busts aesthetics balls, and its prolly the same reason i do.
wes and i have both been a round a long time, and after a while you can just tell whos full of shit and who isnt. you can tell someone who has walked the walk, and someone that just talks.
aesthetics is that guy- what he writes doesnt come from personal experience, its what he reads off other boards. take BFG for example- when he posts its like hes telling you either what he has done first hand, or has seen first hand- you can just tell hes been there, or seen it done. when aesthetics posts he sounds like hes just repeating what hes reads online. if i had to put money on it, hes a kid, prolly in his early to mid 20's with shitty genetics who isnt anywhere close to having the type of physique he wants you to believe he has from his posts.
'aesthetics' is GB's new fat panda/ pumpster.
haha, so you're telling me bfg uses 10 grams of gear a week and 4 grams of test? nothing he has ever written comes from his own experience, let alone there are absolutely 0 scientific studies to support most of his conclusions, in fact the opposite is true and most of the garbage he spews is dispoven by studies that have been done on androgens and their modes of action. that really begs the question where he even get's these idiotic ideas from if he's never tried it himself, nor is there any science backing up his theories.
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haha, so you're telling me bfg uses 10 grams of gear a week and 4 grams of test? nothing he has ever written comes from his own experience, let alone there are absolutely 0 scientific studies to support most of his conclusions, in fact the opposite is true and most of the garbage he spews is dispoven by studies that have been done on androgens and their modes of action. that really begs the question where he even get's these idiotic ideas from if he's never tried it himself, nor is there any science backing up his theories.
Who are you where did you come from?
BFG's word is golden believe it or don't but dont come here talking shit about him.
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not going to speak for wes- but im going to hazzard a guess why wes busts aesthetics balls, and its prolly the same reason i do.
wes and i have both been a round a long time, and after a while you can just tell whos full of shit and who isnt. you can tell someone who has walked the walk, and someone that just talks.
aesthetics is that guy- what he writes doesnt come from personal experience, its what he reads off other boards. take BFG for example- when he posts its like hes telling you either what he has done first hand, or has seen first hand- you can just tell hes been there, or seen it done. when aesthetics posts he sounds like hes just repeating what hes reads online. if i had to put money on it, hes a kid, prolly in his early to mid 20's with shitty genetics who isnt anywhere close to having the type of physique he wants you to believe he has from his posts.
'aesthetics' is GB's new fat panda/ pumpster.
BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D
Another spot on post by my man no one!! :)
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maybe its golden in color because its a stream of piss he dribbles over the forums
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AESTHETICS DOES REPEAT STUFF FROM OTHER BOARDS, BUT BFG COMES OUT OF NOWHERE TOO.
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AESTHETICS DOES REPEAT STUFF FROM OTHER BOARDS, BUT BFG COMES OUT OF NOWHERE TOO.
Yes BFG did, and everything he said has been accurate.
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You are all full of shit. ::)
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haha, so you're telling me bfg uses 10 grams of gear a week and 4 grams of test? nothing he has ever written comes from his own experience, let alone there are absolutely 0 scientific studies to support most of his conclusions, in fact the opposite is true and most of the garbage he spews is dispoven by studies that have been done on androgens and their modes of action. that really begs the question where he even get's these idiotic ideas from if he's never tried it himself, nor is there any science backing up his theories.
Are you fucking kidding me? What scientific studies have been done on IFBB pros and how much gear they use? Seriously, didn't you say just a few days ago you weigh like 150lbs? How about when you've tried any of what's talked about here, you post your experience.
Also, please find me some scientific studies involving the amount of drugs we're discussing.
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Yes BFG did, and everything he said has been accurate.
accurate that pros use a lot of steroids? yes. accurate that pros use a lot of testosterone? yes. accurate that 4grams of testosterone is necessary to become a pro? no, not even close to reality.
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Are you fucking kidding me? What scientific studies have been done on IFBB pros and how much gear they use? Seriously, didn't you say just a few days ago you weigh like 150lbs? How about when you've tried any of what's talked about here, you post your experience.
Also, please find me some scientific studies involving the amount of drugs we're discussing.
what are you talking about you retard? get some reading comprehension and some intellect before you start flailing about, dude.
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You are all full of shit. ::)
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lol ;D that was good!
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On scale, but isn't bodybuilding is all about illusion?
not anymore. They are as big as they look.
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that swiper dude is a huge guy
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And he is using only test and GH as i benchpress like ron coleman.He will never ever ever ever ever
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I'm curious about those studies as well. I know of only one on supraphysiological testosterone doses by Bhasin and others. Their conclusion was that there is a clear correlation between testosterone dose and muscle gain. Meaning more testosterone, more muscle gain. Of course they only went up to 750 or 1g (can't remember) so there might be a ceiling effect but still.
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Maybe bfg's cycle is what current pros are taking nowdays, its definitely more than what Nasser took during his heyday :)
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I'm going for 2 g of test and 20ius of gh next offseason MYSELF...I dont like to mix too many coumpounds and keep it as simple as i can...speaking of test and gh cycles only...here is my boy Swiper who blast around 3g of test and gh and adds an oral for about 5 weeks at times...those who get extremlly bloated on test is because whether there isnt enough gh in their blood or their diet is shit. Hey , what can i say , I like it the Americana way , i fucking love test and double cheeseburgers
SWIPER
(http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd472/EGUN17/swwww.jpg)
It doesn't make sense...
and how much gh he's running with 3grams of test?
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I'm curious about those studies as well. I know of only one on supraphysiological testosterone doses by Bhasin and others. Their conclusion was that there is a clear correlation between testosterone dose and muscle gain. Meaning more testosterone, more muscle gain. Of course they only went up to 750 or 1g (can't remember) so there might be a ceiling effect but still.
it was 300mg vs 600mg enanthate for 10 weeks in new england journal of medicine. I do not know of any studies that have used higher than 600mg testosterone.
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It doesn't make sense...
and how much gh he's running with 3grams of test?
no less than 10 ius daily up to 15-20 ius....and every 4-5 weeks he adds dbol or drol to the mix for 5 weeks or so then goes off the oral for another 4-5 weeks and so on..he is also on clen and t3 year around,....what doesnt make sense to you?
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what are you talking about you retard? get some reading comprehension and some intellect before you start flailing about, dude.
face it, kid, everyone here who knows what they are talking about, and has been there, knows your full of shit. you are so transparent its ridiculous to think you dont think you are. you just repeat what you read. so, stop giving advice and running around here trying to sound experienced cause you CLEARLY have no first hand experience about the things you talk about. just stick to being the 170 kid at your gym who wishes he was 250, cause thats exactly who you are.
bro, i've bulked solely on bread before, eating 500 grams of bread a day and i didn't get "fat" as i still had abs and striations but i did get the hgh gut.
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no less than 10 ius daily up to 15-20 ius....and every 4-5 weeks he adds dbol or drol to the mix for 5 weeks or so then goes off the oral for another 4-5 weeks and so on..he is also on clen and t3 year around,....what doesnt make sense to you?
dude, that guy is a fucking monster.
his chest gives it away for me- thats a fucking thick full dude under there. i'd be willing to put my house on the fact he was on a good bit of anadrol when he sent you this pic.
def the kind of guy that would be best described as 'mutant'. good for him. not many guy can achieve that 'look' and hold it well.
and i think his calves arent small- the angle of the pic is making them look that way. guys in great shape. much props.
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dude, that guy is a fucking monster.
his chest gives it away for me- thats a fucking thick full dude under there. i'd be willing to put my house on the fact he was on a good bit of anadrol when he sent you this pic.
def the kind of guy that would be best described as 'mutant'. good for him. not many guy can achieve that 'look' and hold it well.
and i think his calves arent small- the angle of the pic is making them look that way. guys in great shape. much props.
Agreed that guy is a freaken monster. The veins wrapping his arms really give the mutant freak look.
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I'd like to hear gh15's opinion on this. Looks like a real pro bodybuilder stack for sure
its balonie,, this fella is not a pro,, testosterona is not the most importent it is just a bse to keep agression and effective oversall balance,, you can turn profesional on less than 750 mg a week of testosterona if hav eenough hgh in blood,,infact what mater is to hav elegit testosterona! since a top chef testosterona is always dose right with high quality powder so his 100mg per cc is what other will call 300 400 mg per cc
you tel me you cant grow crazy from 300mg a week of strengo testosterona ,,
many of you fellas dont use legit products,, its said but...thats the way it is ,,
testosterona = blooofy UNLES UNLESSSSS you hav eenough saturation of hgh in your blood,, this saturation take some time....
you need to get it in your head ! notice where all he fellas on 1 + gram testosterona get to in your locla gymnasium...notice whee they get to...they get to the damn WATER FOUNTAIN thats as far as they get to ,,
the base of everything in bodybuild is human growth hormone,,,from then on you add aas btu add it the right way the right timing and the right doses,, do some use 2 gram ,, odcourse but they also use 20-30 iu legt legit! gh every single day ,, every single fucking daywith lots of trenbolona
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Just out of curiosity, how much testosterone do you think a national level bodybuilder is running at any given point in their offseason?
its not how much testosterona they run ,, it is how much HGH AND INSULINA they run ,, testosterona is only good for agressive over all thickness added to an already saturated body,, and yes if you use 20-30 iu of legit gh...start it with 6% bodyfat...if you use with it ephedrine and or dnp....that will work ,, but you can be marvelous bodybuild on even 150-250 mg a week of testosterona just to replace natural testosterna or go a bit higher,, no one cared about much testosterona back in the 60s and 70s it was used but again in minium ,, it add thickness that is importent but you hav eto know just how much YOU specific the indidviaul within you the bodybuikd you are is capable of...and it will only be higher if hgh is higher and if hgh is LEGIT!
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some pros run ridiculous amounts, some run less than gymrats. it depends on how well they respond, anyways, it's the gh, insulin and seo that gets them to their size not the ridiculous amount of steroids because there is a point where there's no longer any benefit received to running a higher dosage and all it does is increase the side effects.
there is really no reason to run 4 grams of test a week in a 10gram a week cycle, it's just idiotic. not to say there aren't pros doing that but it's not going to help them add anymore muscle than half that dosage.
very good,,
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its not how much testosterona they run ,, it is how much HGH AND INSULINA they run ,, testosterona is only good for agressive over all thickness added to an already saturated body,, and yes if you use 20-30 iu of legit gh...start it with 6% bodyfat...if you use with it ephedrine and or dnp....that will work ,, but you can be marvelous bodybuild on even 150-250 mg a week of testosterona just to replace natural testosterna or go a bit higher,, no one cared about much testosterona back in the 60s and 70s it was used but again in minium ,, it add thickness that is importent but you hav eto know just how much YOU specific the indidviaul within you the bodybuikd you are is capable of...and it will only be higher if hgh is higher and if hgh is LEGIT!
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The bodybuilders in the 60s and 70s were much smaller than those of today so that analogy does not really make much sense. Obviously there is a huge synergy between testosterone and hgh but that is not what my initial post is about. Trenbolone is not the ideal offseason bulking drug because it increases metabolic rate and core temperature too much. Offseason is about growth, contest prep is about becoming lean and shedding the fat that is inevitably put on by any growth protocol. Your suggestions of drug stacks make far more sense for a physique competitor or a fitness model, not a pro bodybuilder.
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ITS NOT JUST RESPONSE TO DRUGS, ITS THE FACT THEY GET QUALITY DRUGS.WHAT GOOD IS RUNNING 600MG EQ, IF ITS REALLY DOSED LIKE 300MG?
lol i like this fella capital leter tone lol he became one of my favortie posters lol loveit
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I'm going for 2 g of test and 20ius of gh next offseason MYSELF...I dont like to mix too many coumpounds and keep it as simple as i can...speaking of test and gh cycles only...here is my boy Swiper who blast around 3g of test and gh and adds an oral for about 5 weeks at times...those who get extremlly bloated on test is because whether there isnt enough gh in their blood or their diet is shit. Hey , what can i say , I like it the Americana way , i fucking love test and double cheeseburgers
SWIPER
(http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd472/EGUN17/swwww.jpg)
wel atleast we verify now that we hav ebodybuilders in thunderdome ,, fellas think we dont have bodybuildrs here,, they dont understand that all the bodybuildrs start their day here and end their day here lol
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wel atleast we verify now that we hav ebodybuilders in thunderdome ,, fellas think we dont have bodybuildrs here,, they dont understand that all the bodybuildrs start their day here and end their day here lol
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WE GOT BBOY TOO. THAT SLINPIMP GUY IS FUCKING MASSIVE IF THATS HIS ACTUAL AVI. REARDEN IS HUGEEEEEE. STAVIOS,TOO. MAX B IS PRETTY DAMN YOKED. OKAMI IS IMAKO. BIG-KIGTROPINER IS DAMN BIG TOO.
NOT MANY BOARDS, I CANNOT THINK OF ONE ACTUALLY THAT MATCHES UP TO GET BIG.
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face it, kid, everyone here who knows what they are talking about, and has been there, knows your full of shit. you are so transparent its ridiculous to think you dont think you are. you just repeat what you read. so, stop giving advice and running around here trying to sound experienced cause you CLEARLY have no first hand experience about the things you talk about. just stick to being the 170 kid at your gym who wishes he was 250, cause thats exactly who you are.
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i think you've followed me around copy pasting that post about 10 times now out of context with half of the post missing even though i've explained like 4 times what i meant in that post, and why i said that in relation to the thread discussion
it's sweet that you have a crush on me though :-*
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The bodybuilders in the 60s and 70s were much smaller than those of today so that analogy does not really make much sense. Obviously there is a huge synergy between testosterone and hgh but that is not what my initial post is about. Trenbolone is not the ideal offseason bulking drug because it increases metabolic rate and core temperature too much. Offseason is about growth, contest prep is about becoming lean and shedding the fat that is inevitably put on by any growth protocol. Your suggestions of drug stacks make far more sense for a physique competitor or a fitness model, not a pro bodybuilder.
this is actual a good answer,, i liek good answers,, but BALONIE,, my cycle is aim in profesional bodybuild ...and there is no bulk and cut,, trenbolona HAS TO BE THERE for specific look ,, infact trenbolona has to be there in specific dose! for specific look! ,, if you use 70mg every 2 day it will not be good...150mg is when you start understanding how importent it is ,, no one care off season on season ,, there is no off season in bodybuild you always need to look like bodybuild and you always need to have trenbolona ace in hand and hgh ,, testosterona you can play with ....all testosterona give in ghigher doses it bloofy large waist! ,, the freaks out there do nto count on mega dose testostetrona until! we go on enough gh to saturate the body and then body respond to soak testosteroan in ....infact part of the mess call bodybuild 2011 is due to 2 thing...
over use of testosterona
over use of insulina,,
this is why 80% of them look like a balonie wraped in christmas paper
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very good thread. Aesthetics made some very good points. I think both BFG and gh15 are right. Just not everyone does the same exact thing to get to where they are
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very good thread. Aesthetics made some very good points. I think both BFG and gh15 are right. Just not everyone does the same exact thing to get to where they are
^^ THIS GUY TOO, GH15. BIG GUY.
ALL THE WAY BIG.
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^^ THIS GUY TOO, GH15. BIG GUY.
ALL THE WAY BIG.
I admire your motto...INJECT NOW, LAUGH LATER. fucking win
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this is actual a good answer,, i liek good answers,, but BALONIE,, my cycle is aim in profesional bodybuild ...and there is no bulk and cut,, trenbolona HAS TO BE THERE for specific look ,, infact trenbolona has to be there in specific dose! for specific look! ,, if you use 70mg every 2 day it will not be good...150mg is when you start understanding how importent it is ,, no one care off season on season ,, there is no off season in bodybuild you always need to look like bodybuild and you always need to have trenbolona ace in hand and hgh ,, testosterona you can play with ....all testosterona give in ghigher doses it bloofy large waist! ,, the freaks out there do nto count on mega dose testostetrona until! we go on enough gh to saturate the body and then body respond to soak testosteroan in ....infact part of the mess call bodybuild 2011 is due to 2 thing...
over use of testosterona
over use of insulina,,
this is why 80% of them look like a balonie wraped in christmas paper
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We are saying practically the same thing. The only difference is that I am not critiquing the state of current bodybuilding, just simply directing people on how to get to that point. As I stated in the example blast and cruise protocol that I laid out, trenbolone should be used in blasts throughout the offseason but for a pro looking to gain mass and have a productive offseason there is simply no reason to stay on tren the entire time...again, it raises metabolic rate too much. I have to disagree, though, with the statement that there is no offseason, with the exception of very few pro bodybuilders most do not compete year round and there is an important period of time out of the year where improvements to the physique can be made.
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i just do not like to see big waist and guts on fellas,, as simple as thAT,, you can have the bigest physiqe in the world btu if it is atack to big wqaist...it kill KILL your look ,, the freaks you all like to talk about only come to surface when they start with small waist....and everything else grow beside waist,,, truly 30-33 inches at 5'11 this is a freak ,, only then latrt on you can climb on higher testosterona when body is saturated with enough gh high enough dose and you walk around 6% on regular basis ...then you can boom it with higher testosterona that will be soaked by body ,,
show me fellas who look godo on 3 gram testosterona a week ,, show me,, remember what bodybuild is...IT HAS A LOT TO DO WITH LOOKING GOOD not only nunch of mass and water and fat that lose 60lb to get on stage,, it has to do with aLWAYS look like bodybuild in any time any place ,, ther is reason wy 80s and 90s were best bodybuild yesar,,and to be honest...70s were even better..but in 70s not everyone could be bodybuild ,,, in 2000s EEVRY one can be bodybuild
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Insulin is the only thing that fucks up my waist. 15iu a day everyday of gh and any amount of test don't do much to my waist, but insulin in megadoses...
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We are saying practically the same thing. The only difference is that I am not critiquing the state of current bodybuilding, just simply directing people on how to get to that point. As I stated in the example blast and cruise protocol that I laid out, trenbolone should be used in blasts throughout the offseason but for a pro looking to gain mass and have a productive offseason there is simply no reason to stay on tren the entire time...again, it raises metabolic rate too much. I have to disagree, though, with the statement that there is no offseason, with the exception of very few pro bodybuilders most do not compete year round and there is an important period of time out of the year where improvements to the physique can be made.
wel i despize what hapen to bodybuild...i just dont think it is even remotrly close to 80s or 90s,, i think bodybuid now days overusing testosterona and become bloofy even when conditioned they look weird,, too much insulina too much testosterona,, so insted of fellas always say i recomend high doses on everything ....they should resad what i writre and when go to other boardings quote me right,,
i believe in the approach of high anabolics high hgh ...then all the rest ,, ofcourse testosterona is highly imprtent for thickness and for agressivness and stamina...but you can get by on good 200-300 mg of legit top chef testosterona and look marvelous,, you want more testosterona? make sure your body has enough gh in it nd that this gh is already causes igf raise that is constant and going on for some time
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i just do not like to see big waist and guts on fellas,, as simple as thAT,, you can have the bigest physiqe in the world btu if it is atack to big wqaist...it kill KILL your look ,, the freaks you all like to talk about only come to surface when they start with small waist....and everything else grow beside waist,,, truly 30-33 inches at 5'11 this is a freak ,, only then latrt on you can climb on higher testosterona when body is saturated with enough gh high enough dose and you walk around 6% on regular basis ...then you can boom it with higher testosterona that will be soaked by body ,,
show me fellas who look godo on 3 gram testosterona a week ,, show me,, remember what bodybuild is...IT HAS A LOT TO DO WITH LOOKING GOOD not only nunch of mass and water and fat that lose 60lb to get on stage,, it has to do with aLWAYS look like bodybuild in any time any place ,, ther is reason wy 80s and 90s were best bodybuild yesar,,and to be honest...70s were even better..but in 70s not everyone could be bodybuild ,,, in 2000s EEVRY one can be bodybuild
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I alluded to this earlier in the thread that this is not necessarily about looking "good" so much as it is about being gaining muscle mass and having a productive offseason. I think almost everyone would agree that the bodybuilders of the 70s look the best but if your goal is to be competitive at the top level today, it wont cut it to look like someone from the golden era.
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I alluded to this earlier in the thread that this is not necessarily about looking "good" so much as it is about being gaining muscle mass and having a productive offseason. I think almost everyone would agree that the bodybuilders of the 70s look the best but if your goal is to be competitive at the top level today, it wont cut it to look like someone from the golden era.
actualy ,, back then they didnt hav ethe suntetic gh and doses we have now....gh and insulina now inaddition to an arnold of the 70s....create monsters...everyone eagree that arnold was the best bodybuild ever overall toegther with ron colman ...btu arnold with gh and insulina would be much better than ron colman this is what i try to say here,,
it is the gh and insulina that came in bodybuild and took into new level...not the testosterona
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WE GOT BBOY TOO. THAT SLINPIMP GUY IS FUCKING MASSIVE IF THATS HIS ACTUAL AVI. REARDEN IS HUGEEEEEE. STAVIOS,TOO. MAX B IS PRETTY DAMN YOKED. OKAMI IS IMAKO. BIG-KIGTROPINER IS DAMN BIG TOO.
NOT MANY BOARDS, I CANNOT THINK OF ONE ACTUALLY THAT MATCHES UP TO GET BIG.
Haha bro thanks.... smoofcat is big as fuck too were going to train together while he preps for his show in march.. both of us running Kigs and strango meds... wait till i post my new pics...lol!
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Haha bro thanks.... smoofcat is big as fuck too were going to train together while he preps for his show in march.. both of us running Kigs and strango meds... wait till i post my new pics...lol!
SO AM I. WELL, I WILL BE IN A WEEK!!!!!! KIGS WHENEVER THEY COME IN, PROLLY 3 WEEKS.
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Lucky basterds. Hopefully by next year I will be able to add some gh to my regiment. This is a good thread. Both BFG and Gh15 have a lot of good information. There's always more than one way to skin a cat. The high anabolics, low moderate test, high doses of gh seem to give a crisper more quality look then shitloads of test, slin, and gh.
Bboy outlined his cycle awhile ago. It was around a gram of test with high anabolics and gh and he looks amazing.
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i think you've followed me around copy pasting that post about 10 times now out of context with half of the post missing even though i've explained like 4 times what i meant in that post, and why i said that in relation to the thread discussion
it's sweet that you have a crush on me though :-*
dont worry hun, ill be more than happy to run you off this board. and i will. so, no need to thank me for following you around. the pleasure is all mine, you skinny repeating bitch wanna be. ;)
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Lucky basterds. Hopefully by next year I will be able to add some gh to my regiment. This is a good thread. Both BFG and Gh15 have a lot of good information. There's always more than one way to skin a cat. The high anabolics, low moderate test, high doses of gh seem to give a crisper more quality look then shitloads of test, slin, and gh.
Bboy outlined his cycle awhile ago. It was around a gram of test with high anabolics and gh and he looks amazing.
thank you. ;D
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Someone should start a thread where we all post pics to see how huge a lot of getbiggers truly are
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I agree with BFG if,and I repeat if, and only if you don't give a shit how you look like off season and you are on everything under the sun then who gives a shit about being on tren, it's not going to make a difference if you are already gaining at max capacity.
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Someone should start a thread where we all post pics to see how huge a lot of getbiggers truly are
was done already,,,physique thread .
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Bfg can u share your views on diet and training?
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WE GOT BBOY TOO. THAT SLINPIMP GUY IS FUCKING MASSIVE IF THATS HIS ACTUAL AVI. REARDEN IS HUGEEEEEE. STAVIOS,TOO. MAX B IS PRETTY DAMN YOKED. OKAMI IS IMAKO. BIG-KIGTROPINER IS DAMN BIG TOO.
NOT MANY BOARDS, I CANNOT THINK OF ONE ACTUALLY THAT MATCHES UP TO GET BIG.
thank you , thats is me in my avi i wouldnt consider myself extremelly massive but im definitely going all out in 2012.. ;D
(http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd472/EGUN17/394108_10150438738106817_545641816_9103740_1274029674_n.jpg)
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thank you , thats is me in my avi .,.,I have posted a bunch of pics.. i wouldnt consider myself extremelly massive but im definitely going all out in 2012.. ;D
(http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd472/EGUN17/394108_10150438738106817_545641816_9103740_1274029674_n.jpg)
Some serious thickness, don't be so modest 8)
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Some serious thickness, don't be so modest 8)
thank you...but i want Pro size Big. :'(
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thank you...but i want Pro size Big. :'(
That's what 2012 is for man
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KILL YOURSELF. 900MG EQ +1 GRAM TREN WILL BE A BIGGER BODYBUOLDER. 2 GRAMS OF TEST WILL HOLD MORE WATER, BUT NOT MORE MUSCLE AND NOT AT A SIMILAR CONDITION. IM TALKING EVERYTHING THE SAME DIET,TRAINING, GENETICS,ETC.
THE TREN, EQ GUY WILL LOOK BETTER THAN THE T ONLY GUY.
HIGH ANABOLIC FTW!
omg, youre fucking annoying man.
Secondly, turn the caps lock off.
Yes with vetgrade eq and the old parabolan from negma > test . Sad you cant find them anymore
give me a break... do you think shitty ugl tren and eq in fancy vials matches to legit norma test or bayers testovirons?
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omg, youre fucking annoying man.
Secondly, turn the caps lock off.
Yes with vetgrade eq and the old parabolan from negma > test . Sad you cant find them anymore
give me a break... do you think shitty ugl tren and eq in fancy vials matches to legit norma test or bayers testovirons?
oh yes they do ,, oh yes they do ,, trenbolona and hgh i keep teling you ,,
if you hve 12 months to devote to trenbolona and hgh ,,BOTH LEGIT,, you wil understand how a bodybuild become conditioned size
i just took 6 iu ! inject of kigtropin maybe 20 min ago...i can barely hold my eyes open ,, faling asleep every few min then wake up since ihave somethings to do ...
until you fellas find legit gh and put it into blood in high dose...and add trenbolona ace to it...you will never know what it is to walk and look as bodybuild circa 1990s ,,,you want bodybuild circa 2000? add loads of testosterona lol and mega dose the inulina ..
as simple as that
i dont like the 2000s look it is disgusting ,, but you do what you gotta do
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oh yes they do ,, oh yes they do ,, trenbolona and hgh i keep teling you ,,
if you hve 12 months to devote to trenbolona and hgh ,,BOTH LEGIT,, you wil understand how a bodybuild become conditioned size
i just took 6 iu ! inject of kigtropin maybe 20 min ago...i can barely hold my eyes open ,, faling asleep every few min then wake up since ihave somethings to do ...
until you fellas find legit gh and put it into blood in high dose...and add trenbolona ace to it...you will never know what it is to walk and look as bodybuild circa 1990s ,,,you want bodybuild circa 2000? add loads of testosterona lol and mega dose the inulina ..
as simple as that
i dont like the 2000s look it is disgusting ,, but you do what you gotta do
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Ok big guy. ;D 8)
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Someone should start a thread where we all post pics to see how huge a lot of getbiggers truly are
not sure if serious or just new around here... ???
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thank you , thats is me in my avi i wouldnt consider myself extremelly massive but im definitely going all out in 2012.. ;D
(http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd472/EGUN17/394108_10150438738106817_545641816_9103740_1274029674_n.jpg)
All tacos, enchiladas and arepas.
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so gh15, what IF i can't afford gh? what should i use then and how much test should i use at most?
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so gh15, what IF i can't afford gh? what should i use then and how much test should i use at most?
if you cant aford gh you need to reborn into age 19-21 again and just pray your natural hgh kick ass ,, in reality no gh = no advanc ebodybuild
for what is ...aas with no gh? what does it = to? all together now pupils...
aas with no gh = GYM RAT you all like to talk about
thats the only diff between bodybuild who is advance and gymnaisum rat... H G H
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use of test is very individual as well.....
i can use a lot and not have gyno problems, i feel fine, just i do get bloated and i hate that look!
but i know some dudes that can't use more then 200 mg a week!! they get gyno, feel like shit! loook like shit as well....
everybody reacts different to drugs.... not everybody likes test....
i like eq a lot, but i get anxiety on it..... sucks! npp i love it! test prop is ok... i love primo but in this day and age is soooo expensive.
tren kicks ass, but again... anxiety problems lol! less then on eq though the tren anxiety i can manage.
any of you have the same problem with eq?????
never had it when i was younger, just the last 3 years or so...
my ideal cycle would be:
5 - 10 iu hgh mon- fry
test prop , starting at 50 mg eod.
tren ace, starting at 150 eod.
npp starting, at 100 eod.
that's it!
that will built you a nice late 80's physique!
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if you cant aford gh you need to reborn into age 19-21 again and just pray your natural hgh kick ass ,, in reality no gh = no advanc ebodybuild
for what is ...aas with no gh? what does it = to? all together now pupils...
aas with no gh = GYM RAT you all like to talk about
thats the only diff between bodybuild who is advance and gymnaisum rat... H G H
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i am 22 years old ;) so? well in 70's they didn't have GH, some used cadaver, but not many. so what did they use? i am using 250mg test/week and growing. some forget that heavy compound movements and good amount of food will make you grow.
(http://images37.fotosik.pl/1237/46a6a2c5c942f29f.jpg)
my physique right now. I got fat and I hate it but who cares, in one month I'll go back to my old bodyfat and thickness will stay.
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i am 22 years old ;) so? well in 70's they didn't have GH, some used cadaver, but not many. so what did they use? i am using 250mg test/week and growing. some forget that heavy compound movements and good amount of food will make you grow.
(http://images37.fotosik.pl/1237/46a6a2c5c942f29f.jpg)
my physique right now. I got fat and I hate it but who cares, in one month I'll go back to my old bodyfat and thickness will stay.
you just said it yourslef,, you are ........................ ..
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this is a kid,, your hgh ..natural hgh is at 2 to 2.5 iu a day probably and this can be good enough for bodybuild especialy when bodybuild is a kid 22 year old,, again for high competetive level even in this age you wil have to use much more gh but to look great in your local competition at age 22-23...gh is not needed ,, notice.... you can tell you got high natural gh from your skin and the way your delts look ,, it is just age my friend,,then again look at you and look at alexi which is little older than you i think ... he is on competetive high level gh to be able to do dmage in upper rank ...you see the diff right?
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i am 22 years old ;) so? well in 70's they didn't have GH, some used cadaver, but not many. so what did they use? i am using 250mg test/week and growing. some forget that heavy compound movements and good amount of food will make you grow.
(http://images37.fotosik.pl/1237/46a6a2c5c942f29f.jpg)
my physique right now. I got fat and I hate it but who cares, in one month I'll go back to my old bodyfat and thickness will stay.
lolol!
do you know what a fat body looks like???
you are not fat!
sure you are soft and not in the best conditioning, but NOT FAT!!!
only on getbig lol!
bunch of sick dellusional individuals here hahahahahah ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D (that is a joke btw, before you take it the wrong way)
now, stop with fishing for compliments and just go on how you are doing...lol!
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i am 22 years old ;) so? well in 70's they didn't have GH, some used cadaver, but not many. so what did they use? i am using 250mg test/week and growing. some forget that heavy compound movements and good amount of food will make you grow.
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my physique right now. I got fat and I hate it but who cares, in one month I'll go back to my old bodyfat and thickness will stay.
hey look its me.
ull do what I did you alrdy are . Ull gaim off a few lower dose cycles theam always look the same. Eatimg like a beast traimimg super fuckik hard amd heaby deadliftimg till there's mo tomorrow. Yet meber lookimg huge. I did it for seberal years. Thimkimg my diet was off. But just got fatter whem I ate more. Kimda like ur abs are all blurry mow with half shit phyisque of size.
domt waste ur time mam. Literally seberal yrs I wasted. Mow I habe more muscle mass tham all those seberal yrs. Traim howeber I wamt eat sooo horrible amd omly whem humgry. Breakfast so far has beem domuts. Till I get up amd habe oatmeal. I eat jumk all day with my food. Amd you kmow what. My stomachs meber beem harder. Why... Amd why am I gettimg bigger amd leamer.. Cuz gh fifteem showed us its all drugs.
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far from fat..he is in single digit and closer to 6-7 than to 9...
everything is seperated on him from pecs to abs to everything else... it just covered with water....and layer of fat that makes this 8%...i asume he want to b edry 6%....thats why he call himself fat
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hey look its me.
ull do what I did you alrdy are . Ull gaim off a few lower dose cycles theam always look the same. Eatimg like a beast traimimg super fuckik hard amd heaby deadliftimg till there's mo tomorrow. Yet meber lookimg huge. I did it for seberal years. Thimkimg my diet was off. But just got fatter whem I ate more. Kimda like ur abs are all blurry mow with half shit phyisque of size.
domt waste ur time mam. Literally seberal yrs I wasted. Mow I habe more muscle mass tham all those seberal yrs. Traim howeber I wamt eat sooo horrible amd omly whem humgry. Breakfast so far has beem domuts. Till I get up amd habe oatmeal. I eat jumk all day with my food. Amd you kmow what. My stomachs meber beem harder. Why... Amd why am I gettimg bigger amd leamer.. Cuz gh fifteem showed us its all drugs.
not all drugs,, 90% is drugs
i did say 10% is other aspects,, but mainly 90% is drugs,, thats just bodybuild for you my friend,, 90% = drugs 10% = consistancy ,, dedication and the rest trainning and yum yum included,,
if you take out the drugs from bodybuild you stay with NOTHING,, you stya with 165 lb fellas 5'10 7-8% in the best of the best geentic cases,,notice the height i say 5 fucking 10 not 5'7 ...
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You know, as long as I'm young and gaining size to eventually compete at some point being bloated bloofy piece of shit is ok. But I won't do this when I get older and I wanna fucking now HOW THE FUCK do I stay "big" while having lean face. Coz right now it's either this, or that.
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You know, as long as I'm young and gaining size to eventually compete at some point being bloated bloofy piece of shit is ok. But I won't do this when I get older and I wanna fucking now HOW THE FUCK do I stay "big" while having lean face. Coz right now it's either this, or that.
OVER ABUSE OF TESTOSTERONA AND INSULINA. FAT WITHIN THE MUSCLE AND WATER LOGGED BLOOFINESS.
KEEP YOUR GAME DRY...HIGH ANABOLIC, MODERATE-HIGH GH.
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thank you , thats is me in my avi i wouldnt consider myself extremelly massive but im definitely going all out in 2012.. ;D
(http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd472/EGUN17/394108_10150438738106817_545641816_9103740_1274029674_n.jpg)
1. WAY TO PROVE MY POINT
2. YOUR ARMS ARE HUGE
3. GET STARTED ON SOME UPRIGHT BRO'S
omg, youre fucking annoying man.
Secondly, turn the caps lock off.
Yes with vetgrade eq and the old parabolan from negma > test . Sad you cant find them anymore
give me a break... do you think shitty ugl tren and eq in fancy vials matches to legit norma test or bayers testovirons?
FIRST OFF, YOU DO NOT KNOW SHIT. I AM ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. TOP TIER CHEF IS EVERY BIT AS VET GRADE AND HUMAN GRADE.
SECOND OF ALL, GO STICK A DICK IN YOUR MOUTH SO YOU'LL SHUTUP.
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1. WAY TO PROVE MY POINT
2. YOUR ARMS ARE HUGE
3. GET STARTED ON SOME UPRIGHT BRO'S
FIRST OFF, YOU DO NOT KNOW SHIT. I AM ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. TOP TIER CHEF IS EVERY BIT AS VET GRADE AND HUMAN GRADE.
SECOND OF ALL, GO STICK A DICK IN YOUR MOUTH SO YOU'LL SHUTUP.
yes this guy is def right. Imagime what slimpimp could look like if he got om a good routime of some upright rows.
slimpimp what is ur curremt routime of upright rows atm. Sets weights reps etc.
I'm sure we all cam agree wed like to see you om maybe a three time a week routime of upright rows alome. Traimimg other bodyparts of course I meam. But a dedicated three times a week of the upright rows. How mamy sets do you do mow. You should pyramid up amd dowm foe best results with upright rows but I'm sure you kmow this. Back im the day the days I dwdicated to upright rows I was im the gym twice im ome day morimg amd might time.
try routime of first set fifteem reps amd worki.g up to a heaby hitter set of three reps. Lots of sets tho.
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my bad didmt meam to say half shit phyisque. What I meam to say is gym rat phyisque om low doses. Obiously mo where mere bodybuilder lebel. Mostly sayimg domt believe low dose crap it works at first cause its higher tham ur natty lebels. But rly if ur mot gettimg bigger muscle size tham up the dose.
test is so hard to tell cause I'd gaim twemty poumds to tham lose it all after. Om mo test I actually see my muscles pop out amd grow more mot grow all ober like a block of shit gettimg fatter.
hey look its me.
ull do what I did you alrdy are . Ull gaim off a few lower dose cycles theam always look the same. Eatimg like a beast traimimg super fuckik hard amd heaby deadliftimg till there's mo tomorrow. Yet meber lookimg huge. I did it for seberal years. Thimkimg my diet was off. But just got fatter whem I ate more. Kimda like ur abs are all blurry mow with half shit phyisque of size.
domt waste ur time mam. Literally seberal yrs I wasted. Mow I habe more muscle mass tham all those seberal yrs. Traim howeber I wamt eat sooo horrible amd omly whem humgry. Breakfast so far has beem domuts. Till I get up amd habe oatmeal. I eat jumk all day with my food. Amd you kmow what. My stomachs meber beem harder. Why... Amd why am I gettimg bigger amd leamer.. Cuz gh fifteem showed us its all drugs.
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yes this guy is def right. Imagime what slimpimp could look like if he got om a good routime of some upright rows.
slimpimp what is ur curremt routime of upright rows atm. Sets weights reps etc.
I'm sure we all cam agree wed like to see you om maybe a three time a week routime of upright rows alome. Traimimg other bodyparts of course I meam. But a dedicated three times a week of the upright rows. How mamy sets do you do mow. You should pyramid up amd dowm foe best results with upright rows but I'm sure you kmow this. Back im the day the days I dwdicated to upright rows I was im the gym twice im ome day morimg amd might time.
try routime of first set fifteem reps amd worki.g up to a heaby hitter set of three reps. Lots of sets tho.
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yes this guy is def right. Imagime what slimpimp could look like if he got om a good routime of some upright rows.
slimpimp what is ur curremt routime of upright rows atm. Sets weights reps etc.
I'm sure we all cam agree wed like to see you om maybe a three time a week routime of upright rows alome. Traimimg other bodyparts of course I meam. But a dedicated three times a week of the upright rows. How mamy sets do you do mow. You should pyramid up amd dowm foe best results with upright rows but I'm sure you kmow this. Back im the day the days I dwdicated to upright rows I was im the gym twice im ome day morimg amd might time.
try routime of first set fifteem reps amd worki.g up to a heaby hitter set of three reps. Lots of sets tho.
for fucks sake! its the new assbruise, only this one has lost his "N" key.
fuck!
I will send you FIVE dollars! right now!
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if you cant aford gh you need to reborn into age 19-21 again and just pray your natural hgh kick ass ,, in reality no gh = no advanc ebodybuild
for what is ...aas with no gh? what does it = to? all together now pupils...
aas with no gh = GYM RAT you all like to talk about
thats the only diff between bodybuild who is advance and gymnaisum rat... H G H
gh15 approved
But what if you just wanted to achieve that look from the 70's - when they didn't have HGH. That look was all was with no gh also. And that surely wasn't "gym rat" status right?
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Yo slinpimp, you should get Swiper to post here! He was a cool dude over at MD back in the day
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my bad didmt meam to say half shit phyisque. What I meam to say is gym rat phyisque om low doses. Obiously mo where mere bodybuilder lebel. Mostly sayimg domt believe low dose crap it works at first cause its higher tham ur natty lebels. But rly if ur mot gettimg bigger muscle size tham up the dose.
test is so hard to tell cause I'd gaim twemty poumds to tham lose it all after. Om mo test I actually see my muscles pop out amd grow more mot grow all ober like a block of shit gettimg fatter.
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for fucks sake! its the new assbruise, only this one has lost his "N" key.
fuck!
I will send you FIVE dollars! right now!
also the key that looks like w but half a w. Amd the key that goes w blamk y. I thimk that's all. Amd my mumbers domt work.
sucks. I was doimg upright rows my temth set amd om last rep I dropped the ez curl bar at the top of the upright row om my keyboard.
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Can the bloofiness of injecting extra testesterone be offset by doing extra cardio? I'm thinking about raising my intake of test cyp from 300mg/weekly (shooting 100mg/eod) to 600mg/weekly.
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Can the bloofiness of injecting extra testesterone be offset by doing extra cardio? I'm thinking about raising my intake of test cyp from 300mg/weekly (shooting 100mg/eod) to 600mg/weekly.
control your sodium or a light diuretic. 300-600 shouldn't be a dramatic change to water retention. 1g and up is when problems start to happen...usually.
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also the key that looks like w but half a w. Amd the key that goes w blamk y. I thimk that's all. Amd my mumbers domt work.
sucks. I was doimg upright rows my temth set amd om last rep I dropped the ez curl bar at the top of the upright row om my keyboard.
you sound like Cletus from the Simpsons when i read your posts. you are as poor as him also.
hope this helps.
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Can the bloofiness of injecting extra testesterone be offset by doing extra cardio? I'm thinking about raising my intake of test cyp from 300mg/weekly (shooting 100mg/eod) to 600mg/weekly.
Reduce/remove bloofiness promoters like lactose (dairy), gluten, soy, sodium rich foods, etc
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you sound like Cletus from the Simpsons when i read your posts. you are as poor as him also.
hope this helps.
good to kmow. Mot wastimg a simgle dime. About to get all the ghoma im the world fuck eberythimg else
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Yo slinpimp, you should get Swiper to post here! He was a cool dude over at MD back in the day
i will hit him up and see what he says,,
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this thread is a kidney fizzler ;)
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and for those saying excessive testosterone isnt healthy...oh well, here is Swipers bloodwork...remember homeboy blast 2g -3 g of test and cruises on 1500 mgs , yes u read that right CRUISES on 1500 mgs weekly and has been on for 12 years no time off...his blood work is pretty excellent if u ask me....again , if you read my first post on this thread i said high test goes with high gh intake, and t3 ,,i also add masteron myself...LMAO @ his TEST LEVELs 7500
fuck , it came out kinda small ...zoom it in your computer for a better view or if any of you can make it bigger ,thanks
(http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd472/EGUN17/BIGMBLOODWORK.jpg)
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and for those saying excessive testosterone isnt healthy...oh well, here is Swipers bloodwork...remember homeboy blast 2g -3 g of test and cruises on 1500 mgs , yes u read that right CRUISES on 1500 mgs weekly and has been on for 12 years no time off...his blood work is pretty excellent if u ask me....again , if you read my first post on this thread i said high test goes with high gh intake, and t3 ,,i also add masteron myself...LMAO @ his TEST LEVELs 7500
fuck , it came out kinda small ...zoom it in your computer for a better view or if any of you can make it bigger ,thanks
[img width=434 height=600]
ya so mamy imtermet forums always had me so freaked out that it'll shoot ur liber orals amd what mot. Till this day my liber is goldem amd I lobe my orals.
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good to kmow. Mot wastimg a simgle dime. About to get all the ghoma im the world fuck eberythimg else
lol
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and for those saying excessive testosterone isnt healthy...oh well, here is Swipers bloodwork...remember homeboy blast 2g -3 g of test and cruises on 1500 mgs , yes u read that right CRUISES on 1500 mgs weekly and has been on for 12 years no time off...his blood work is pretty excellent if u ask me....again , if you read my first post on this thread i said high test goes with high gh intake, and t3 ,,i also add masteron myself...LMAO @ his TEST LEVELs 7500
fuck , it came out kinda small ...zoom it in your computer for a better view or if any of you can make it bigger ,thanks
hgh, test, t3 and some anabolic
no diet
no mess with thousand compounds in and out every several weeks
no mental, no nothing just high sex drive if anything
no health issues
in result he's looking fucking awesome and not even slightly bloat
does anyone need to ask for more?
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slinpimp does swiper use much insulin? Any?
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slinpimp does swiper use much insulin? Any?
none yet,according to him...I believe him
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LOL test levels >7500. Jesus Christ. :o :o
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LOL test levels >7500. Jesus Christ. :o :o
lol..and thats a pretty healthy bloodwork for a dude who has been blasting 3g of test on and off for 12 years nonstop..it's only when you start mixing a bunch of shit ,coumpounds when things go bad and down the drain imo...it's not like you trying to place top 3 at The Arnold so keep it simple ...test ,gh ,t3..thrown an oral or anabolic in for 5=6 weeks at a time and go back to test and gh and you'll be fine and big...no bloat..
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lol..and thats a pretty healthy bloodwork for a dude has been blasting 3g of test on and off for 12 years nonstop..it's only when you start mixing a bunch of shit ,coumpounds when thing go bad and down the drain imo...keep it simple..test ,gh ,t3..thrown an oral or anabolic in for 5=6 weeks and go back to test and gh and you'll be fine and big...no bloat..
Hmm, might try this sometime... Go up to a gram on test with 5 iu GH and some t3. Gonna give it a go once the mental sides of tren become too much for me again!
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yup swiper posts on rxmuscle.com forums. He has a Q & A thread that is really cool. Very detailed. He admits his diet sucks and posted meal plans and stuff. He doesnt eat much but he runs so much gear
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haha I quit :'(
Swiper's diet from RX muscle
8am- 3 packets oatmeal brown male sugar
11:30am- grill southwest chicken salad with an extra chicken breast from McDonald's
3pm- 3 small chicken breasts, bowl of pasta or brown rice. Protein shake.
7pm chicken or steak with rice or pasta with green beans.
9:30pm huge bowl of cereal. fruit loops, cinnamon toast crunch, coco puffs.
i don't know the oz of the chicken. the rice is the uncle Ben's the one you throw in the microwave for 1:30 and i use Sweet baby ray's Honey mustard dipping sauce.
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Does he take a cholesterol med? How is his LDL so low?
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you know, i have to take 25mg of atd eod to prevent excess bloat on fucking 250mg of test per week. i mean excess, im still bloated, but not so much. on 500mg/week i needed to make it ed and still i was a little bit bloated. taking too much atd kills my strength so i don't do that.
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just one of those guys built for gear I guess..
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check out, niacin raises growth hormone. Pretty sure the study was made for its effects on lowerimg bad cholesterol and raising the good. IT raises it by like 30 percent while lowering the bad by like 40 percent i believe it was. cant remember. But its funny how sometimes the simpliest things can really help. some nice doctors suggest niacin over alot of other medications and it actually works good.
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yup swiper posts on rxmuscle.com forums. He has a Q & A thread that is really cool. Very detailed. He admits his diet sucks and posted meal plans and stuff. He doesnt eat much but he runs so much gear
yeah , that Swiper..
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and for those saying excessive testosterone isnt healthy...oh well, here is Swipers bloodwork...remember homeboy blast 2g -3 g of test and cruises on 1500 mgs , yes u read that right CRUISES on 1500 mgs weekly and has been on for 12 years no time off...his blood work is pretty excellent if u ask me....again , if you read my first post on this thread i said high test goes with high gh intake, and t3 ,,i also add masteron myself...LMAO @ his TEST LEVELs 7500
fuck , it came out kinda small ...zoom it in your computer for a better view or if any of you can make it bigger ,thanks
(http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd472/EGUN17/BIGMBLOODWORK.jpg)
haha, that's insane. usually those lab testing companies have a cutoff on the testosterone range around like 1500-3k, i've never, ever seen it that high. also, it doesn't say his is 7,500, it says his is over 7,500 :o
some times, i get really envious of people who can handle test well and without sides. for me, it is quite possibly one of the worst compounds as far as sides effects to anabolism ratio goes - well, maybe masteron is worse but never used much of it. but, in anycase, i think test is a great hormone if people can handle it, since it is a naturally produced androgen and is the master androgen in the body it can effectively be used to cover most of all the bases in a steroid stack. oh well, i guess it's a trade off for being able to handle tren exceptionally well.
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haha I quit :'(
Swiper's diet from RX muscle
8am- 3 packets oatmeal brown male sugar
11:30am- grill southwest chicken salad with an extra chicken breast from McDonald's
3pm- 3 small chicken breasts, bowl of pasta or brown rice. Protein shake.
7pm chicken or steak with rice or pasta with green beans.
9:30pm huge bowl of cereal. fruit loops, cinnamon toast crunch, coco puffs.
High glycemic carbs at night! That goes angainst convential wisdom. Flinstones I'm with you, man, there are no rules. Whatever works is the rule.
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High glycemic carbs at night! That goes angainst convential wisdom. Flinstones I'm with you, man, there are no rules. Whatever works is the rule.
That could be post-workout and/or insulin meal (the sugary cereal one).
Also I doubt he eats the exact same thing every day and the exact times.
Even still, that diet is still about 220 grams of protein; just isn't spaced equally over 5-6 meals.
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That could be post-workout and/or insulin meal (the sugary cereal one).
Also I doubt he eats the exact same thing every day and the exact times.
Even still, that diet is still about 220 grams of protein; just isn't spaced equally over 5-6 meals.
no insulin.... gh yes , ..and thats the diet he posted at that specific time when he got asked...he doesnt eat like that year around.
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no insulin.... gh yes , ..and thats the diet he posted at that specific time when he got asked...he doesnt eat like that year around.
Does he have any plans of getting on stage?
Clothed he's a big mother fucker, but how's he look in a glittery thong?
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yeah , that Swiper..
Yeah! that's right rxmuscle NOT md.com as I stated earlier. Real helpful, modest guy
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Does he have any plans of getting on stage?
Clothed he's a big mother fucker, but how's he look in a glittery thong?
he's stated many times he does not care about competing , ..lol..he just like to work out and getbig like most of us .
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he's stated many times he does not care about competing , ..lol..he just like to work out and getbig like most of us .
he looks like a freak,arms are ridiculous and vascular,that's crazy walkaround,gym,club hopping size.
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High glycemic carbs at night! That goes angainst convential wisdom. Flinstones I'm with you, man, there are no rules. Whatever works is the rule.
lol,, you think we dotn eat sugar before bed? lol
for years befor bed all i did was icecream and pine apple juice abotu an hour before go sleep sometime 10 min before go sleep
high glysamic lol jesus christ you got bible here and you still thinkin in terms of danta and sons,,
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lol,, you think we dotn eat sugar before bed? lol
for years befor bed all i did was icecream and pine apple juice abotu an hour before go sleep sometime 10 min before go sleep
high glysamic lol jesus christ you got bible here and you still thinkin in terms of danta and sons,,
gh15 approved
last night i had creme puffs before bed. delicious.
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haha, that's insane. usually those lab testing companies have a cutoff on the testosterone range around like 1500-3k, i've never, ever seen it that high. also, it doesn't say his is 7,500, it says his is over 7,500 :o
some times, i get really envious of people who can handle test well and without sides. for me, it is quite possibly one of the worst compounds as far as sides effects to anabolism ratio goes - well, maybe masteron is worse but never used much of it. but, in anycase, i think test is a great hormone if people can handle it, since it is a naturally produced androgen and is the master androgen in the body it can effectively be used to cover most of all the bases in a steroid stack. oh well, i guess it's a trade off for being able to handle tren exceptionally well.
lik ei say before!,, the only fella who use high dose testosterona ...also use higher dose legit hgh ....usualy 10 iu + and it go for sometime on gh before they introduce higih dose testosterona,, hgh alway sin blood then body ajust you hav emore fiber and then testosterona will go into right place,, it is like making a cake....you need to hve the righ ingredient for perfect cake friend,,
you cant use 2 gram testosterona with no gh ...you will look like BALONIE,, bloofed balonie
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last night i had creme puffs before bed. delicious.
i keep my swet to specific food that i know my body like and ajust well ,, but realy everyone is diff in this department ,, i need my pine aple juice for liver since it is better than any medication out there,, i dont know why but it just refresh my all system ,, i also needed my icream otherwize i would lose bodyfat too fast
gh15 approved
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I ate a slice of pizza last night on my way home before bed so that I ate enough to not lose weight
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i keep my swet to specific food that i know my body like and ajust well ,, but realy everyone is diff in this department ,, i need my pine aple juice for liver since it is better than any medication out there,, i dont know why but it just refresh my all system ,, i also needed my icream otherwize i would lose bodyfat too fast
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i find most 100% fruit juice gives me that "refresh". i like high pulp orange juice
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i find most 100% fruit juice gives me that "refresh". i like high pulp orange juice
fuck I haven't had orange juice in forever. When I was living in Cali I would pick em off the tree and make my own it was an awesome way to start the morning.
pineapple is delicuous, I just prefer the fruit not the juice.
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i find most 100% fruit juice gives me that "refresh". i like high pulp orange juice
no,, pineapple is diff,, something in it is diff,, orange juice and other even if all natural doesnt give oyu this same feeling,, pineapple has something in it i dont know why that help the system ,, unlike other fruit drinks ...the pine apple make you feel replenished but not slugish after,,
pine apple is basicaly the equivalent of vitargo lol only for 30-40 cents per can lol
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also i would like mention that when i eat like this with less care i am on gh...ALWAUS ON GH ,, and udualy in high dose gh!
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lol..thanks to gh15 , i swtich my last meal from 8 oz chicken ,and sparagus to 1 pint of hagen daz of chocolate ice cream , 1 carton of liquid eggwhite, not only i enjoy eating the meal better , the next morning i wake up fuller and leaner....what gives >> HUMAN GROWTH HORMONE...
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Trenbolone is not the ideal offseason bulking drug because it increases metabolic rate and core temperature too much.
where is evidence of this statement? where is the study?
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GH and test go hand in hand...one doesnt give you the same results without the other one
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no,, pineapple is diff,, something in it is diff,, orange juice and other even if all natural doesnt give oyu this same feeling,, pineapple has something in it i dont know why that help the system ,, unlike other fruit drinks ...the pine apple make you feel replenished but not slugish after,,
pine apple is basicaly the equivalent of vitargo lol only for 30-40 cents per can lol
gh15 approved
I am honestly terrified to eat when I come off tren and hgh...which is why i dont wanna come off tren. hgh i know i dont need to stop
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lol,, you think we dotn eat sugar before bed? lol
for years befor bed all i did was icecream and pine apple juice abotu an hour before go sleep sometime 10 min before go sleep
high glysamic lol jesus christ you got bible here and you still thinkin in terms of danta and sons,,
gh15 approved
That just broke my heart. :'( There are really no rules.
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check out, niacin raises growth hormone. Pretty sure the study was made for its effects on lowerimg bad cholesterol and raising the good. IT raises it by like 30 percent while lowering the bad by like 40 percent i believe it was. cant remember. But its funny how sometimes the simpliest things can really help. some nice doctors suggest niacin over alot of other medications and it actually works good.
i take niacin daily before bed..it's a must in my book ,.imo
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no,, pineapple is diff,, something in it is diff,, orange juice and other even if all natural doesnt give oyu this same feeling,, pineapple has something in it i dont know why that help the system ,, unlike other fruit drinks ...the pine apple make you feel replenished but not slugish after,,
pine apple is basicaly the equivalent of vitargo lol only for 30-40 cents per can lol
gh15 approved
Could somebody please post a pic of the pineapple juice? Stupid Q, I know, but here where I live there usually aren't the same products as in the States. Thanks
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Could somebody please post a pic of the pineapple juice? Stupid Q, I know, but here where I live there usually aren't the same products as in the States. Thanks
Than pic wont help you
just look for all natural pineapple juice, there is some international companies like" happy day" and such who provide it.
haha I quit :'(
Swiper's diet from RX muscle
8am- 3 packets oatmeal brown male sugar
11:30am- grill southwest chicken salad with an extra chicken breast from McDonald's
3pm- 3 small chicken breasts, bowl of pasta or brown rice. Protein shake.
7pm chicken or steak with rice or pasta with green beans.
9:30pm huge bowl of cereal. fruit loops, cinnamon toast crunch, coco puffs.
i don't know the oz of the chicken. the rice is the uncle Ben's the one you throw in the microwave for 1:30 and i use Sweet baby ray's Honey mustard dipping sauce.
Eating the way you posted on "what did you eat yesterday" i can understand you...
btw Slinpimp you follow the same route?
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Could somebody please post a pic of the pineapple juice? Stupid Q, I know, but here where I live there usually aren't the same products as in the States. Thanks
The guys on here use cans of Dole pineapple juice
I rang the Irish, UK and French distributor for Dole and none of them do it :-[
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you know, i have to take 25mg of atd eod to prevent excess bloat on fucking 250mg of test per week. i mean excess, im still bloated, but not so much. on 500mg/week i needed to make it ed and still i was a little bit bloated. taking too much atd kills my strength so i don't do that.
I know what you are saying man,my first time cycle was 150 mg test propioanta eod, in 1 week i gained 12 pounds of water,bloated like shit,i said wtf is this shit. :D
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Thanks for telling us about the posting over at rxmuscle, I'm reading through it and it's a great source of info.
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The whole Swiper thing proves that it really is all drugs and genetic response to the drugs. I truly swear by this and have every reason to. It is no coincidence I am in the best shape of my life and I don't eat that clean anymore like I used to
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The whole Swiper thing proves that it really is all drugs and genetic response to the drugs. I truly swear by this and have every reason to. It is no coincidence I am in the best shape of my life and I don't eat that clean anymore like I used to
how old are you AMD?
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use of test is very individual as well.....
i can use a lot and not have gyno problems, i feel fine, just i do get bloated and i hate that look!
but i know some dudes that can't use more then 200 mg a week!! they get gyno, feel like shit! loook like shit as well....
everybody reacts different to drugs.... not everybody likes test....
i like eq a lot, but i get anxiety on it..... sucks! npp i love it! test prop is ok... i love primo but in this day and age is soooo expensive.
tren kicks ass, but again... anxiety problems lol! less then on eq though the tren anxiety i can manage.
any of you have the same problem with eq?????
never had it when i was younger, just the last 3 years or so...
my ideal cycle would be:
5 - 10 iu hgh mon- fry
test prop , starting at 50 mg eod.
tren ace, starting at 150 eod.
npp starting, at 100 eod.
that's it!
that will built you a nice late 80's physique!
8)
what do you mean you get anxiety from tren and eq? why don't you just use a little bit of xanex, then?
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I talked to Lee Haney some years ago and he ate pure pineapelle with every meal. At does increase protein uptake from one study I read some years ago. Everybody should add some into their diet anyways it is good taste. TEAM PINEAPPLE
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what do you mean you get anxiety from tren and eq? why don't you just use a little bit of xanex, then?
Interesting...not the first one to write about Eq anxiety. I guess every body reacts differently.
I've had anxiety since i was a teen and im using Eq and my anxiety not only hasn't gone worse but i've actually reduced one pill. Test on the other side, its supposed to be an antidepressant but on 500mg i felt like shit.
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haha, that's insane. usually those lab testing companies have a cutoff on the testosterone range around like 1500-3k, i've never, ever seen it that high. also, it doesn't say his is 7,500, it says his is over 7,500 :o
some times, i get really envious of people who can handle test well and without sides. for me, it is quite possibly one of the worst compounds as far as sides effects to anabolism ratio goes - well, maybe masteron is worse but never used much of it. but, in anycase, i think test is a great hormone if people can handle it, since it is a naturally produced androgen and is the master androgen in the body it can effectively be used to cover most of all the bases in a steroid stack. oh well, i guess it's a trade off for being able to handle tren exceptionally well.
I am the same. I only run anabolics.
Without test I will never get that swollen look but I have my hair and skin etc.
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Donīt use xanax...it will not solve anything, instead it will make anxiety worse...if you get anxiety from certain products, then change them for your makeup... I get a shitload of anxiety from tren but can use eq and test all day long... If you need alittle something for anxiety stick with regular valium or some other long halflife benz then you wont get the rollercoaster thing you get from xanax...all benz stop working after a few weeks anyway, one of the worst drugs from benefits -> side effects
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Efexor xl=bye bye anxiety
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lol,, you think we dotn eat sugar before bed? lol
for years befor bed all i did was icecream and pine apple juice abotu an hour before go sleep sometime 10 min before go sleep
high glysamic lol jesus christ you got bible here and you still thinkin in terms of danta and sons,,
gh15 approved
i couldn't ever justify putting ice cream in my body of work. i like pineapple though. and for pete's sake, it's sweet enough!
i've made a habit of eating pineapple chunks with a good serving of 2% cottage cheese before bed--that way i can get that slow digesting casin in there too. 8)
I know what you are saying man,my first time cycle was 150 mg test propioanta eod, in 1 week i gained 12 pounds of water,bloated like shit,i said wtf is this shit. :D
yeah, i haven't done propionate yet, but i'm inclined to think it retains just as much water as the other esterified forms of test. test is test. the ester is inert and breaks off ultimately yielding the same exact thing: testosterone. there's just no science behind these claims...
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Interesting...not the first one to write about Eq anxiety. I guess every body reacts differently.
I've had anxiety since i was a teen and im using Eq and my anxiety not only hasn't gone worse but i've actually reduced one pill. Test on the other side, its supposed to be an antidepressant but on 500mg i felt like shit.
well on eq it's worse then on tren....
always manageable though without any drugs.
never had it before on eq, just the last 2 years or so...
strange really....
i will go on some test... buy sme hgh... and see where that gets me!
my parents gave me 700 dollars as an xmas gift.... so hgh is on the way! lolol!
will go on 6iu's mon-fry
750 mg test. durateston
every now and then an oral.... hemogenin..
i am about 240 now..... single digit bodyfat.
i want to get to 245 , not gain weight really but change my body... get the sculpted look.
i am just on test p now and some npp ... low dose...i look ok, but flat and 2 dimensional.
i eat what i want, when i want.... eat when i am hungry and do not eat when i am not hungry.... simple!
btw i don't know why i am telling you all this, just poppes in my mind... lol! well it's bb related... ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Just thought i'd bump this beauty in light of recent revelations with dallas for some retrospective
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haha I quit :'(
Swiper's diet from RX muscle
8am- 3 packets oatmeal brown male sugar
11:30am- grill southwest chicken salad with an extra chicken breast from McDonald's
3pm- 3 small chicken breasts, bowl of pasta or brown rice. Protein shake.
7pm chicken or steak with rice or pasta with green beans.
9:30pm huge bowl of cereal. fruit loops, cinnamon toast crunch, coco puffs.
i don't know the oz of the chicken. the rice is the uncle Ben's the one you throw in the microwave for 1:30 and i use Sweet baby ray's Honey mustard dipping sauce.
flintsones was 11 when he posted this...
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The cycle posted in the opening of this thread is total insanity. Anybody thar tries even a quarter of that deserves to die. Fucking morons. Nobody ever seems to mention how in the fuck could one withstand that many injections per day and week. If you are unable to win a local or regional show on 500mg to 1000mg MAX...per week....then please just give it up.
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Just thought i'd bump this beauty in light of recent revelations with dallas for some retrospective
this. i read the first page and it seems bfg was more legit than the high tren low test crew when you see what a typical high level pro was really using.
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I competed with a guy who took whole bottle of cyp(2500mg test) daily for 8 weeks. that's 17500mg per week! he didnt even place.
be careful of what you hear on line. sure there are those who take those outrageous amount of gear, but I will tell you, many don't look very impressive from what I've seen.
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Anabolics>test
15 is right per usual
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I competed with a guy who took whole bottle of cyp(2500mg test) daily for 8 weeks. that's 17500mg per week! he didnt even place.
be careful of what you hear on line. sure there are those who take those outrageous amount of gear, but I will tell you, many don't look very impressive from what I've seen.
I recall CSWOL did something like that...