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One of the main reasons human growth hormone is such an amazing drug is its versatility. GH lets the body more efficiently process stored fat into energy, greatly increases metabolic rate, enhances the effects of anabolic steroids, etc. One of the most misunderstood aspects of GH, though, is how to use it effectively in the offseason to gain quantifiable mass. Initially pioneered by a few "gurus" in the UK, the "blasting" protocol of GH in the offseason has become a very popular and extremely effective method to harness the mass gaining effects of the drug.
Most guys split their GH up evenly throughout the day to keep constant supraphysiological levels of growth hormone in the system. There is nothing wrong with this protocol and it works to some degree. If money is a major limiting factor, for example, taking 10-20'iu's split up throughout the day is probably your best bet. If, however, your goal is to one day try to step on a pro stage, you need to harness all the drugs at your disposal and use them in your offseason to gain as much muscle mass as possible and when it comes to GH, that means blasting it.
The following is a sample pro level hGH blast protocol.
Monday: 40iu serostim IV immediately post workout
Tuesday: 40iu serostim IV immediately post workout
Wednesday: no training, no GH
Thursday: 40iu serostim IV immediately post workout
Friday: 40iu serostim IV immediately post workout
Sat: no training, no GH
Sun, no training no GH
(50mcg t3 everyday)
Please take note that it is not an overnight process to adapt the body to 40iu's of good quality GH injected at once intravenously. An effective GH blast will make the user feel extremely lethargic all day, intensely tired no matter how much sleep at night, very bad carpal tunnel syndrome, numb fingers and toes, etc.
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How do they deal with the water retention from such high dose of gh especially in this kind of blast form?
and why the t3 is needed?
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I was completely handicapped on 40iu a day, and that was split up over 4shots, major headache, eyes almost shut, so tired
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I was completely handicapped on 40iu a day, and that was split up over 4shots, major headache, eyes almost shut, so tired
How long did you do it? And what where the gains?
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I did it for 5days, I don't really weigh myself so not sure of the gain in pounds but I got so full and pumped it was crazy. I couldn't lift a fork or spoon to my mouth by the 5th day with pump. I'm convinced it helped with longterm fat loss and permanently filled out my shoulders. I did it this past january
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I did it for 5days, I don't really weigh myself so not sure of the gain in pounds but I got so full and pumped it was crazy. I couldn't lift a fork or spoon to my mouth by the 5th day with pump. I'm convinced it helped with longterm fat loss and permanently filled out my shoulders. I did it this past january
SH IT! 40iu per day, whats the best Gh protocal you have done?
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How do they deal with the water retention from such high dose of gh especially in this kind of blast form?
and why the t3 is needed?
t3 will help combat the intense lethargy and sleepiness that gh in this dosage and protocol will induce.
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It is also important to note that this protocol should be combined with large (3-4 grams) doses of testosterone, pre workout insulin and real IGF- (around 120mcg's). In regards to obtaining the latter, research chemical suppliers do not have real IGF-1.
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Please, that's about $50 a day or more in GH. What are you guys millionaires?
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Please, that's about $50 a day or more in GH. What are you guys millionaires?
$50 dollars of GH, 4 days per week is 800 dollars per month. Most people can easily afford that.
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im the type that spreads gh intake throughout the day...right now , i shoot 3 ius ( 15 mis before a meal) every 4 hrs for a total of 12daily..making one fall PWO
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IGF-1 is not really talked about that much. I understand that gh, slin and IGF-1 work in synergy with the sum greater than the individual parts. How important is it at the pro level and what does it do?
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Please, that's about $50 a day or more in GH. What are you guys millionaires?
Its a 'blast' not a permanant thing....I have a spare few hundrend pounds every month ;)
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im the type that spreads my gh intake throughout the day...right now , i shoot 3 ius every 4 hrs for a total of 12daily..making one fall PWO
I would highly suggest an IV GH blast for a few months if you are ready to take your physique to the next level.
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IGF-1 is not really talked about that much. ?
cuz it is shit
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I would highly suggest an IV GH blast for a few months if you are ready to take your physique to the next level.
looks interesting but IV?? Damn
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cuz it is shit
REAL IGF isn't shit, but the problem is getting legit stuff.....proper IGF costs a little more than $100 from a research site ;)
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IGF-1 is not really talked about that much. I understand that gh, slin and IGF-1 work in synergy with the sum greater than the individual parts. How important is it at the pro level and what does it do?
IGF-1 is probably the least important variable in the equation but it does serve a role and shouldn't be overlooked. It is very effective in site enhancement protocols (not because it causes localized site growth, that issue is and probably forever will be up for dispute - because of the intense blood volume it will direct to the trained muscle). It also makes insulin more effective. Remember, GH decreases insulin sensitivity and IGF-1 will do the opposite. A number of guys who have experience with preworkout insulin and GH find themselves gong hypoglycemic in the same doses when they add in IGF-1. IGF also has a physiological synergy with growth hormone. The main problem with IGF-1 is that it is very difficult to obtain the real thing. Most people purchase their IGF-1 from research chem suppliers for relatively cheap prices...real IGF-1 is not cheap and its a world of difference.
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Got it. Great. What is George Farrah doing to bring his "athletes" in at their best? Is it DNP? What does he do different than everyone else?
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that IGF1-LR3 is useless is what you are saying? That's all I have heard also and it is all that these websites carry.
BLP on this site keeps swearing by it though..
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IGF didnt do jack for me..maybe my shit was bunk...i always speak based on personal experiences/
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SH IT! 40iu per day, whats the best Gh protocal you have done?
I prefer 15iu a day split up into 4-5 shots. The difference between mediocre and good gh is night and day. Pm me if you want to know the good brands
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Igf1 lr3, at least the two brands I've used weren't good, didnt get anything from them. And regarding iv post workout gh shots when I go back on gear il do them for the sake of this board. One of these days I'll die for you bitches ;D
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Got it. Great. What is George Farrah doing to bring his "athletes" in at their best? Is it DNP? What does he do different than everyone else?
I didn't think the DNP usage among his athletes was still a secret...
In all fairness to Farrah, the nutritional science behind his contest prep protocols makes a lot more sense than many of these other guys who insist on insanely low carbohydrates and then wonder why their athletes come in soft.
Farrah also has really nailed the diuretics protocol which is whats responsible for so many guys who look great 1 week out and show up looking like they lost 10lbs of muscle.
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I didn't think the DNP usage among his athletes was still a secret...
In all fairness to Farrah, the nutritional science behind his contest prep protocols makes a lot more sense than many of these other guys who insist on insanely low carbohydrates and then wonder why their athletes come in soft.
Farrah also has really nailed the diuretics protocol which is whats responsible for so many guys who look great 1 week out and show up looking like they lost 10lbs of muscle.
I would be grateful if you could explain the nutritional science behind is protocol while on DNP. Theoretical dosages also. Yes,much respect to Farrah this guy brings his guys on the money. I'd like to see Heath work with Farrah eventually.
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I would be grateful if you could explain the nutritional science behind is protocol while on DNP. Theoretical dosages also. Yes,much respect to Farrah this guy brings his guys on the money. I'd like to see Heath work with Farrah eventually.
I'm assuming you have a general idea of what DNP does in the human body. Understand that the fat loss that DNP induces is basically a symptom of poisoning. DNP will take the fat off regardless of what you eat (generally speaking) but when we are discussing contest prep for the Olympia there is little room for error and that last 0.5% of fat on your glutes may cost you. The most effective way for DNP to work on adipose tissue is once glycogen has been depleted. This means that a short term ketosis diet in combination with a few full body high rep workouts are necessary during the onset of the DNP. Once depletion is achieved, carbohydrates can be reintroduced to the diet because by then the DNP will have induced mitochondrial uncoupling. The more carbohydrates (especially simple carbs) on DNP, the more it will amplify your body's internal temperature and cause greater fat loss. During the 2-3 week DNP cycles that the athletes run, the diet is very low in fat, about 60-70 percent carbohydrates (a lot of fruit in particular) and the rest protein. The DNP doses are usually ramped up with the top end being about 500mg. After completion of the DNP cycle there is usually a carb up day and then the contest prep goes on as usual.
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use 18 i.u. Ser daily
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I'm assuming you have a general idea of what DNP does in the human body. Understand that the fat loss that DNP induces is basically a symptom of poisoning. DNP will take the fat off regardless of what you eat (generally speaking) but when we are discussing contest prep for the Olympia there is little room for error and that last 0.5% of fat on your glutes may cost you. The most effective way for DNP to work on adipose tissue is once glycogen has been depleted. This means that a short term ketosis diet in combination with a few full body high rep workouts are necessary during the onset of the DNP. Once depletion is achieved, carbohydrates can be reintroduced to the diet because by then the DNP will have induced mitochondrial uncoupling. The more carbohydrates (especially simple carbs) on DNP, the more it will amplify your body's internal temperature and cause greater fat loss. During the 2-3 week DNP cycles that the athletes run, the diet is very low in fat, about 60-70 percent carbohydrates (a lot of fruit in particular) and the rest protein. The DNP doses are usually ramped up with the top end being about 500mg. After completion of the DNP cycle there is usually a carb up day and then the contest prep goes on as usual.
if you are going to make up pro cycles that's one thing because it's implied it's fictional and you are guessing. but if you are going to state things like this as if they are empirical fact about how carb depletion and carb loading increases dnp effectiveness (because of heat?? lol ::)) at least do a 5 second google search for concillitator's posts where he's talked ad nauseum about the mechanics of dnp and disproven this myth entirely. anyone who understands the mechanics of atp generation and how the metabolism works or even just ran dnp would know it's entirely irrelevant what you eat but i guess that is lost on you since you just copy 10 year old logic from elitefitness that you've never tried your self and has since then been disproven
also, 500mg max dosage? for a pro nonetheless, coming from the guy who suggests 10grams a week and 40iu of serostim IV only once a day? lol, where the hell are you getting this shit? at least if you are going to plagiarize other people's ideas and theories at least steal some that are somewhat correct, i don't know if you are purposely trying to be wrong and just trolling people because a broken clock is right twice a day and you are 0/70 posts
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if you are going to make up pro cycles that's one thing because it's implied it's fictional and you are guessing. but if you are going to state things like this as if they are empirical fact about how carb depletion and carb loading increases dnp effectiveness (because of heat?? lol ::)) at least do a 5 second google search for concillitator's posts where he's talked ad nauseum about the mechanics of dnp and disproven this myth entirely. anyone who understands the mechanics of atp generation and how the metabolism works or even just ran dnp would know it's entirely irrelevant what you eat but i guess that is lost on you since you just copy 10 year old logic from elitefitness that you've never tried your self and has since then been disproven
also, 500mg max dosage? for a pro nonetheless, coming from the guy who suggests 10grams a week and 40iu of serostim IV only once a day? lol, where the hell are you getting this shit? at least if you are going to plagiarize other people's ideas and theories at least steal some that are somewhat correct, i don't know if you are purposely trying to be wrong and just trolling people because a broken clock is right twice a day and you are 0/70 posts
I noticed that you became very hostile toward me when I pointed out that you most likely lack the genetic response to hormones to build a quality physique. I did not mean anything offensive by it.
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i never read that post, and even so, i have such little respect for you after reading your posts i don't care at all about your opinions. you would be the equivalent if anthony roberts and ron harris had a baby
also, don't cry about people being mean to you in the thunderdome, you big weepy vagina lol
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shgh via i.v.?
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BFG I will try the iv gh after Christmas. Which veins do I hit? I mean 40iu is four 1ml insulin needles worth do how will I spread it out? Thank you
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BFG I will try the iv gh after Christmas. Which veins do I hit? I mean 40iu is four 1ml insulin needles worth do how will I spread it out? Thank you
that big juicy vein running up your forearm to the inside of elbow. Easy to hit. Any one will do though.
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BFG I will try the iv gh after Christmas. Which veins do I hit? I mean 40iu is four 1ml insulin needles worth do how will I spread it out? Thank you
40iu of gh in one dosage, especially serostim, is overkill. you actually over saturate your hgh receptors to such an extent at that dosage that you begin to disable them.
anyways, you don't need 1ml of fluid to dissolve a 10iu vial of gh powder, you can dissolve it in 0.5ml or maybe a little less it just takes a bit longer to fully dissolve. saline solution would work, it's more isotonic, which probably won't matter if you are only doing a few iu a day. saline is not bacteriostatic though but if you are going to blast a few vials a day it doesn't matter since it won't be enough time to allow bacteria to grow.
also you'll get better results breaking that dosage up and dosing multiple times a day, to allow the gh receptors to "recharge" so to speak and since the window for satellite cell proliferation stays elevated for roughly ~36 hours post training (varies depending on factors), it's not imperative to dose immediately after training.
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i never read that post, and even so, i have such little respect for you after reading your posts i don't care at all about your opinions. you would be the equivalent if anthony roberts and ron harris had a baby
also, don't cry about people being mean to you in the thunderdome, you big weepy vagina lol
Well why don't you fcuk off out of his threads and stop commenting then. If you don't care about his opinions don't read and stop stalking him because people who know about this stuff from personal experience are reading it and don't want your dribble in the thread.
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You guys are crazy. Steroids are one thing, but when you combine it with GH and insulin you have made a real gambit of your health for a degree of muscular development that 99.9999% of all people think is ugly. You people who think that taking steroids + insulin + GH will have no long term consequences for your health are crazy. Expect to lose between 20 to 40 years from your lifespan.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I tried it and i liked it
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You guys are crazy. Steroids are one thing, but when you combine it with GH and insulin you have made a real gambit of your health for a degree of muscular development that 99.9999% of all people think is ugly. You people who think that taking steroids + insulin + GH will have no long term consequences for your health are crazy. Expect to lose between 20 to 40 years from your lifespan.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
If you're a gymrat you have no business blasting 40ius of gh in your veins it's ridiculous. A few i.u of gh and decent cycle is all that a gymrat should use. Doesn't all that gh make the ventricles in your heart grow?
If you're making a living off your body I can understand it. I bet a lot of the top pros have good doctors keeping an eye on them.
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If you're a gymrat you have no business blasting 40ius of gh in your veins it's ridiculous. A few i.u of gh and decent cycle is all that a gymrat should use. Doesn't all that gh make the ventricles in your heart grow?
If you're making a living off your body I can understand it. I bet a lot of the top pros have good doctors keeping an eye on them.
this,,,,if ur blasting some of these cycles mentioned to be the biggest guy in your gym or to go clubbing u got problems and will down the road maybe and then look like u never trained in the 1st place...
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So straight up I'm NOT going to IV GH, but I don't have access to serostim or any other pharm grade so that would be why.
I've been doing 10IU Kigs followed by 10IU slin PRE workout for about a week now. Loving the pumps and fullness with this protocol. On non workout days I take neither.
I do the GH IM and the slin SQ.
BFG, do you think I would get more bang out of the GH if I dosed it POST workout instead of pre? I'm doing 10 now because it wipes me out with tiredness. Working my way up to 15 and then 20IU.
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Please, that's about $50 a day or more in GH. What are you guys millionaires?
hahaha, you beat me to it, either these guys have a money tree in their backyards or stormed Eli Lilly labs with machine guns and stole their entire inventory, lol, im still cracking up "40 iu a day". ;D
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hahaha, you beat me to it, either these guys have a money tree in their backyards or stormed Eli Lilly labs with machine guns and stole their entire inventory, lol, im still cracking up "40 iu a day". ;D
they just do that for a week tho
the guys he speaks about on the UK board, they just do 2-3 kits in a week and don't do any GH the rest of the month
so it's not more expensive than doing 10iu a day, it's just condensed in a week
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Even though I'm not able to afford GH, given a bunch of kits I would still just pin it IM. Kigs, shitty generics, it doesn't matter... I'm fine with IM injections but pinning anything IV just seems desperate. I'm not scared of stigmas and taboo, but I just can't get over pinning anything IV unless it's critical :-\
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they just do that for a week tho
the guys he speaks about on the UK board, they just do 2-3 kits in a week and don't do any GH the rest of the month
so it's not more expensive than doing 10iu a day, it's just condensed in a week
shit even doing that much takes a ton of $$$, 2-3 kits a month is between 300-450 bucks minimum, shit thats like a moderate car or rent payment and seems like 80 percent of this board claims to be on it. ::)
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shit even doing that much takes a ton of $$$, 2-3 kits a month is between 300-450 bucks minimum, shit thats like a moderate car or rent payment and seems like 80 percent of this board claims to be on it. ::)
maybe momma and dadyo is paying,,,,imagine that breakfast conversation ,,hey dad pass the sugar free syrup for my hotcakes and btw where's my growth allowance this month....
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maybe momma and dadyo is paying,,,,imagine that breakfast conversation ,,hey dad pass the sugar free syrup for my hotcakes and btw where's my growth allowance this month....
lol and then going into a spoiled brat rage when they refuse, "goddman it, you told me to get a 20 hour a week job at Home Depot because i dropped out of community college and then you said you'd support my "bodybuilding career" now i want my damn GGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR RRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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40 ius IV in a single shot.
Definitely not buying it. I can see 40ius spread out throughout the day, but a single IV shot, no way in hell anyone does this.
For one week when I was on 10ius spread throughout the day, I would IV and additional 10 ius in the afternoon. Within about a half hour you get extremely lethargic to the point where you would have to pull over if you were driving. I couldn't last more than a few days doing these 10iu IV shots, and I have an extremely strong constitution and will power.
I am all for pushing the envelope and hefty cycles but 40iu IV in one shot is just absolute nonsense
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The not-so-secret-secret is that they just buy more than they need and slang the rest to other gym rats. Those $400-$500 kits are no more than $200 max from a half decent source. Buy 5, 10, 20 or even more and you're paying pittens with the subsidy alone. Sell a few of those are full "retail" value and you break even. Sell more aggressively and you're banking money.
To do this though you have to have a lot of patience. Bodybuilders are fucking idiot losers and selling anything to them is a shit show. Most higher level competitors I know just stock way the fuck up, sell a few kits or some gear to newbies at twice the cost. If you can get away with paying for your drugs, you're set. But to be honest, because of how fucking lunatic most bodybuilders are the competitors I know at least turn to selling narcoticos. Much, much, muuuuuuch easier. Even a crackhead will be a more appreciated customer than a bodybuilder.
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lol and then going into a spoiled brat rage when they refuse, "goddman it, you told me to get a 20 hour a week job at Home Depot because i dropped out of community college and then you said you'd support my "bodybuilding career" now i want my damn GGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR RRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
lol,,,,
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40iu of gh in one dosage, especially serostim, is overkill. you actually over saturate your hgh receptors to such an extent at that dosage that you begin to disable them.
anyways, you don't need 1ml of fluid to dissolve a 10iu vial of gh powder, you can dissolve it in 0.5ml or maybe a little less it just takes a bit longer to fully dissolve. saline solution would work, it's more isotonic, which probably won't matter if you are only doing a few iu a day. saline is not bacteriostatic though but if you are going to blast a few vials a day it doesn't matter since it won't be enough time to allow bacteria to grow.
also you'll get better results breaking that dosage up and dosing multiple times a day, to allow the gh receptors to "recharge" so to speak and since the window for satellite cell proliferation stays elevated for roughly ~36 hours post training (varies depending on factors), it's not imperative to dose immediately after training.
shut the fuck up.
thanks in advance.
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I was completely handicapped
lol
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In regards to obtaining the latter, research chemical suppliers do not have real IGF-1.
very good
gh15 approved
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IGF-1 is probably the least important variable in the equation but it does serve a role and shouldn't be overlooked. It is very effective in site enhancement protocols (not because it causes localized site growth, that issue is and probably forever will be up for dispute - because of the intense blood volume it will direct to the trained muscle). It also makes insulin more effective. Remember, GH decreases insulin sensitivity and IGF-1 will do the opposite. A number of guys who have experience with preworkout insulin and GH find themselves gong hypoglycemic in the same doses when they add in IGF-1. IGF also has a physiological synergy with growth hormone. The main problem with IGF-1 is that it is very difficult to obtain the real thing. Most people purchase their IGF-1 from research chem suppliers for relatively cheap prices...real IGF-1 is not cheap and its a world of difference.
igf,, legit igf,, and i had legit igf... will cause growth of the gut mainly ,, it is somethign i do not recomend unles you have in mind to look like palumbo ,, it just grow your gut resal well,, better than insulina
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shit even doing that much takes a ton of $$$, 2-3 kits a month is between 300-450 bucks minimum, shit thats like a moderate car or rent payment and seems like 80 percent of this board claims to be on it. ::)
most of them are sponsored ,, there are serious bodybuild here that sponsored by supliers ,,if suplier realy like you and some of them really like some fellas in a good way ...they will help you ,, some supliers are very good fellas,, they give their heart to bodybuilding,, its sad that there is not ofcial hall of fame because those supliers would fill up the first top 10 spots ,,
im telling you fellas,, some supliers do things you wont believe,, yes they make good money but they realy care,, some bodybuild get kits of gh free ti give tthem the chance to get as far as they can...
gh15 approved
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40 ius IV in a single shot.
Definitely not buying it. I can see 40ius spread out throughout the day, but a single IV shot, no way in hell anyone does this.
For one week when I was on 10ius spread throughout the day, I would IV and additional 10 ius in the afternoon. Within about a half hour you get extremely lethargic to the point where you would have to pull over if you were driving. I couldn't last more than a few days doing these 10iu IV shots, and I have an extremely strong constitution and will power.
I am all for pushing the envelope and hefty cycles but 40iu IV in one shot is just absolute nonsense
i personay dont know of fellas who do 40 iu in a shot,, its always devided and usualy 5 iu at max in one shot sometime 5-10 if realy high dose gh
gh15 approved
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most of them are sponsored ,, there are serious bodybuild here that sponsored by supliers ,,if suplier realy like you and some of them really like some fellas in a good way ...they will help you ,, some supliers are very good fellas,, they give their heart to bodybuilding,, its sad that there is not ofcial hall of fame because those supliers would fill up the first top 10 spots ,,
im telling you fellas,, some supliers do things you wont believe,, yes they make good money but they realy care,, some bodybuild get kits of gh free ti give tthem the chance to get as far as they can...
gh15 approved
Yep, I've seen suppliers send gear for 50% off. Then they start throwing in free vials. And then the cost of the orders are just waived... they start hooking you up. Then they'll usually take you on full board and always make sure you're happy and juiced to the gills.
I know a couple of cats that were sponsored by UGLs. I was amazed when I first heard about it because I never even thought of that. They really do care about bodybuilding sometimes. And they like to make sure that they're prosperous and treating the community well. I wish I were sponsored so I could do a mutation cycle.
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Yep, I've seen suppliers send gear for 50% off. Then they start throwing in free vials. And then the cost of the orders are just waived... they start hooking you up. Then they'll usually take you on full board and always make sure you're happy and juiced to the gills.
I know a couple of cats that were sponsored by UGLs. I was amazed when I first heard about it because I never even thought of that. They really do care about bodybuilding sometimes. And they like to make sure that they're prosperous and treating the community well. I wish I were sponsored so I could do a mutation cycle.
oh yes,, i dont want mention names for some of them like privacy and very up on their safty,, lets just say that they are real good fellas who responsible DIRECTLY to some serious npc and ifbb physiqes,, they are the ones who shoudl have the glory but it cant hapen due to the way things are they always hav eto stay in the dark ,, but rest assure they get heaven 100%
gh15 approved
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oh yes,, i dont want mention names for some of them like privacy and very up on their safty,, lets just say that they are real good fellas who responsible DIRECTLY to some serious npc and ifbb physiqes,, they are the ones who shoudl have the glory but it cant hapen due to the way things are they always hav eto stay in the dark ,, but rest assure they get heaven 100%
gh15 approved
That's cool. I've heard big names thrown around too. I was amazed. No reason to doubt these fellas either because when they showed me cardboard boxes full of gear, why wouldn't I believe them? My mouth was fucking watering! Lucky shits... 8)
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oh yes,, i dont want mention names for some of them like privacy and very up on their safty,, lets just say that they are real good fellas who responsible DIRECTLY to some serious npc and ifbb physiqes,, they are the ones who shoudl have the glory but it cant hapen due to the way things are they always hav eto stay in the dark ,, but rest assure they get heaven 100%
gh15 approved
GH15, The bible does not have your thoughts on IV for GH. What is your stance on the issue?
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I didn't think the DNP usage among his athletes was still a secret...
In all fairness to Farrah, the nutritional science behind his contest prep protocols makes a lot more sense than many of these other guys who insist on insanely low carbohydrates and then wonder why their athletes come in soft.
Farrah also has really nailed the diuretics protocol which is whats responsible for so many guys who look great 1 week out and show up looking like they lost 10lbs of muscle.
BFG,
Can you elaborate on Farrah's protocol for diuretics?
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shut the fuck up.
thanks in advance.
suck my dick
thanks in advance ;D
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suck my dick
thanks in advance ;D
There'll be no dick sucking on this board
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suck my dick
thanks in advance ;D
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BFG I will try the iv gh after Christmas. Which veins do I hit? I mean 40iu is four 1ml insulin needles worth do how will I spread it out? Thank you
Don't start at that dosage. Start at 10iu IV and pyramid dosages upward. Use 0.5.ml of bacteriostatic water to reconstitute the GH and backload the insulin pin you are using so the needle is sharp. The duller the needle, the more risk of track marks. You can use any veins, most guys prefer ones that if bruised, do not look like track marks, so veins in hands tend to be the most popular.
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So straight up I'm NOT going to IV GH, but I don't have access to serostim or any other pharm grade so that would be why.
I've been doing 10IU Kigs followed by 10IU slin PRE workout for about a week now. Loving the pumps and fullness with this protocol. On non workout days I take neither.
I do the GH IM and the slin SQ.
BFG, do you think I would get more bang out of the GH if I dosed it POST workout instead of pre? I'm doing 10 now because it wipes me out with tiredness. Working my way up to 15 and then 20IU.
Keep the GH post workout but you should increase the dosage. 10iu is the bare minimum for a GH blast. Also, I wouldnt suggest anything lower than 15iu insulin preworkout - and that should be a starting point.
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suck my dick
thanks in advance ;D
oh-oh- the 5 gram a week of test user is upset.
dont want to upset a monster like you- i mean, you must be a real MONSTER if your running 5 gram test cycles. either that or your genetics are for shit. which is it, MONSTER? with arms bigger than arnolds with better shape you must be a real sight to behold. lol
i prefer small bones because my arms look much larger when flexed, similar to how arnold's arms looked even bigger
oh brother ::)
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i personay dont know of fellas who do 40 iu in a shot,, its always devided and usualy 5 iu at max in one shot sometime 5-10 if realy high dose gh
gh15 approved
At the risk of sounding like a groupie, I admit I have been following your advice for about a year now so I really appreciate a response from you.
I had made a thread a couple months back and I was curious as to what your thoughts and insight were regarding the topic. I was wondering what your opinion on IV gh is. Is this prevalent among the pros? How do you personally feel about it? I had my first 3 month run with growth at 10iu a day (5-7ius were IVed) and it drastically changed my physique within a short amount of time.
Any insight you can provide is very much appreciated. It's the one topic I have never seen you address (IV gh)
Thanks!
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Don't start at that dosage. Start at 10iu IV and pyramid dosages upward. Use 0.5.ml of bacteriostatic water to reconstitute the GH and backload the insulin pin you are using so the needle is sharp. The duller the needle, the more risk of track marks. You can use any veins, most guys prefer ones that if bruised, do not look like track marks, so veins in hands tend to be the most popular.
The HANDS?! What absolute shit advice.
Let's just say I've had years of experience with IV administration and the veins in your hands are up there with one of the dumbest places you can inject. The veins in your hand very easily roll and it's a great way to miss a shot. Now, this isn't a problem with gh since a missed shot would basically just be a sub-q shot. Any type of street drugs would lead to an abscess.
Also, the risk of track marks is so highly over-hyped it's ridiculous. Someone has to repeatedly poke the same exact area with a dull needle for months before you would get tracks. Track marks come from junkies who just absolutely don't give a shit anymore. Think about it, how many times have you used a 22-25 gauge needle? did it leave track marks?
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Keep the GH post workout but you should increase the dosage. 10iu is the bare minimum for a GH blast. Also, I wouldnt suggest anything lower than 15iu insulin preworkout - and that should be a starting point.
OK, I have enough I can go up to 15IU post workout and see if I can tolerate it.
If I start the slin at 15IU what do people work up to? I have had no problems with 10 so 15 should be no biggie, but how quickly do you up the slin?
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oh-oh- the 5 gram a week of test user is upset.
dont want to upset a monster like you- i mean, you must be a real MONSTER if your running 5 gram test cycles. either that or your genetics are for shit. which is it, MONSTER? with arms bigger than arnolds with better shape you must be a real sight to behold. lol
oh brother ::)
LOL ;D
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this,,,,if ur blasting some of these cycles mentioned to be the biggest guy in your gym or to go clubbing u got problems and will down the road maybe and then look like u never trained in the 1st place...
THIS
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so t3 will help with lethargy? I asked this before and got no direct answers. I shoot from 5-7iu/day kigs at the moment and I do be tired.
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BTW does anybody feel a difference between IM and Sub-q injections? I've never injected HGH into a muscle but might try switching it up a bit.
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so t3 will help with lethargy? I asked this before and got no direct answers. I shoot from 5-7iu/day kigs at the moment and I do be tired.
Yes. 5-7iu is a very low dose though so only use it if you absolutely need to.
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BFG what about diet? Training?
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BTW does anybody feel a difference between IM and Sub-q injections? I've never injected HGH into a muscle but might try switching it up a bit.
You will probably just get very sleepy within 15-30 minutes of the IM injection.
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oh-oh- the 5 gram a week of test user is upset.
dont want to upset a monster like you- i mean, you must be a real MONSTER if your running 5 gram test cycles. either that or your genetics are for shit. which is it, MONSTER? with arms bigger than arnolds with better shape you must be a real sight to behold. lol
oh brother ::)
i don't know what i did to make you so upset to result in such pathetic attempts to infeebly insult me, i mean, at this point you are just editing prior posts of mine and cutting words out of them as well as blatantly making things up. i think it's hilarious because i can't imagine how pathetic a person would have to stoop to these levels over internet-honor, or whatever it is in your mind that is compelling you (maybe it is unrequited love, lol) but speaking in total earnesty, i am laughing at you at this point so you may want to try another approach in attempting to garner my affection.
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BFG what about diet? Training?
To become pro size here are the necessary factors, in order of importance:
1. Food
2. Drugs
3. Genetics
4. Training
5. Sleep
In regards to dietary advice, 99 percent of guys who never reach their true potential no matter how many drugs they take fall short due to simply not eating enough. The effect of grams of hormones and large quantities of GH has on metabolism is profound. Add in insulin which will inevitably exponentially increase your overall caloric intake due to the new carbohydrate demands and you can be expected to eat around 8-10,000 calories per day.
A high carbohydrate, high protein and moderate fat diet is ideal and then if gains are not consistent, slowly adding in more fat sources to every meal. In terms of numbers, I am talking 600-700 grams of carbohydrates per day, 500-600 grams of protein per day and around 300-400 grams of fat. A couple fast food meals every day is a great way to keep the calories high, try to eat 2lbs of burger meat from fast food every day (i.e. 2 meals per day would consist of 2 double quarter pounders per fast food meal). Protein sources should mainly be from red meat and whole eggs. Carbohydrate sources should be primarily oatmeal, brown and white rice, pasta. Fat sources will mostly be obtained through the red meat and whole eggs but additional fat sources such as macademia nut oil or extra virgin olive oil is ideal.
In terms of training, I do not recommend training more than 4 days per week and for most, 3 days would be optimal. Do not do countless sets and reps of isolation exercises. Use compound exercises to lift heavy weights to failure and then rest.
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i don't know what i did to make you so upset to result in such pathetic attempts to infeebly insult me, i mean, at this point you are just editing prior posts of mine and cutting words out of them as well as blatantly making things up. i think it's hilarious because i can't imagine how pathetic a person would have to stoop to these levels over internet-honor, or whatever it is in your mind that is compelling you (maybe it is unrequited love, lol) but speaking in total earnesty, i am laughing at you at this point so you may want to try another approach in attempting to garner my affection.
no one has proven over and over his knowledge and experience in the game, what exactly have you proven again twinkie?
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You will probably just get very sleepy within 15-30 minutes of the IM injection.
which differs from sub-cut injections how, exactly?
also, why exactly are you suggesting supplementation of t3 on gh when gh doesn't reduce t3 levels but increases deiodinases which subsequently increases t4 to t3 conversion and reduces reverse t3 so t3 rates elevate and as a result tsh drops to keep t3 levels in nominal. most of the side effects people get from growth hormone are due to an increase in prolactin levels, which can be remedied by dopamine agonists or mucuna pruriens.
go away bfg
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no one has proven over and over his knowledge and experience in the game, what exactly have you proven again twinkie?
i haven't seen him say anything remotely intelligent he just follows me around into every thread and copy pasting posts i made after he edits them. clearly, he's a real rhode scholar
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which differs from sub-cut injections how, exactly?
also, why exactly are you suggesting supplementation of t3 on gh when gh doesn't reduce t3 levels but increases deiodinases which subsequently increases t4 to t3 conversion and reduces reverse t3 so t3 rates elevate and as a result tsh drops to keep t3 levels in nominal. most of the side effects people get from growth hormone are due to an increase in prolactin levels, which can be remedied by dopamine agonists or mucuna pruriens.
go away bfg
I have to admit, I find it comical that you think velvet beans from vitamin shoppe can combat the side effects of 40iu's of GH.
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no one has proven over and over his knowledge and experience in the game, what exactly have you proven again twinkie?
He`s proven he can read books and parrot info...........oh yeah,he can use big words too. ;D
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I have to admit, I find it comical that you think velvet beans from vitamin shoppe can combat the side effects of 40iu's of GH.
i didn't state that because a.) no one is ever going to run any of these ridiculous theoretical cycles you post, they are truly ludicrous man, you have to admit that: a.) 10k grams a week, and 40iu serostim IV is a very, very heavy cycle coming with a lot of sides. also that's a $30,000+ a year dosing protocol, no one except the very top pros or the very few select sponsored bodybuilders can afford this. b.) it's not necessary to reach pro size and the side effects from such a cycle will be unbearable. i'm not going to talk about my own experience on high dosages but i know a lot of gym rats who cannot handle high dosages of even half that or 1/3rd that dosage, for even short amounts of time, let alone for half the year.
you are right though, if someone is using 40iu of gh a day, of something as potent as serostim nonetheless, they'll need something stronger than the mucuna pruriens, like caber/prami but for most people's gh usage mucuna pruriens will be sufficient and doesn't come with the sides of dopamine agonists.
i have an earnest question for you bfg, what good is giving advise if no one will ever have a use for it or ever use it? why not tailor your advice to the average user here, and not the 0.000001% of the human population who weighs 280 pounds at 5% bodyfat and is looking to win the olympia by pulling out all the stops and spending more than the average american income on steroids, gh and ancillaries to do it?
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You will probably just get very sleepy within 15-30 minutes of the IM injection.
Yeah bro, but what are the benefits of doing it?
Also, you think 5-7iu is too low for any significant changes? I started on kigs in the last month and it's better quality HGH than my previous brand which I was on for 6-7 months and am retaining less water on it for sure. I am 6'5" and 250lbs just coming off a light enough cycle of test/eq.
Anyone think doing 10-12iu EOD is better than me running the 5-7iu ED?
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He`s proven he can read books and parrot info...........oh yeah,he can use big words too. ;D
Nanos Gigantium Humeris Insidentes
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i didn't state that because a.) no one is ever going to run any of these ridiculous theoretical cycles you post, they are truly ludicrous man, you have to admit that: a.) 10k grams a week, and 40iu serostim IV is a very, very heavy cycle coming with a lot of sides. also that's a $30,000+ a year dosing protocol, no one except the very top pros or the very few select sponsored bodybuilders can afford this. b.) it's not necessary to reach pro size and the side effects from such a cycle will be unbearable. i'm not going to talk about my own experience on high dosages but i know a lot of gym rats who cannot handle high dosages of even half that or 1/3rd that dosage, for even short amounts of time, let alone for half the year.
you are right though, if someone is using 40iu of gh a day, of something as potent as serostim nonetheless, they'll need something stronger than the mucuna pruriens, like caber/prami but for most people's gh usage mucuna pruriens will be sufficient and doesn't come with the sides of dopamine agonists.
i have an earnest question for you bfg, what good is giving advise if no one will ever have a use for it or ever use it? why not tailor your advice to the average user here, and not the 0.000001% of the human population who weighs 280 pounds at 5% bodyfat and is looking to win the olympia by pulling out all the stops and spending more than the average american income on steroids, gh and ancillaries to do it?
None of what I am posting is advice. There is an obsessive curiosity on this board about what the pros are doing so I simply post facts that people can read and satisfy their curiosity with.
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IGF-1 is not really talked about that much. I understand that gh, slin and IGF-1 work in synergy with the sum greater than the individual parts. How important is it at the pro level and what does it do?
You are a fat lazy drug addict that doesn't lift weights or have a job. So STFU with the Bro science
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You are a fat lazy drug addict that doesn't lift weights or have a job. So STFU with the Bro science
A lot of hate on this board. I'm a real asshole but the amount of abuse thrown back and forth here is epic!
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bfg is a classy guy 8)
bfg = big fuckin gorilla = kai greene
dismised ,,
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None of what I am posting is advice. There is an obsessive curiosity on this board about what the pros are doing so I simply post facts that people can read and satisfy their curiosity with.
alright dude, fair enough.
do you work with pros or know them in person? i suppose i came off as hostile previously and, admittedly, it was due to tren + npp + insomnia and i was just having a little fun trash talking so with that in mind and disregarding my previous provocations, i am asking this question complete earnestly. i'm not looking to again start something nor am i seeking to discredit you, check credentials or anything insidious by this question. merely curious because i see people stating that you are well vetted and your statements are accurate even though you only have a few posts here, so i am wondering if you went by other names, or if you post on other boards or even if you are a known person in real life?
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alright dude, fair enough.
do you work with pros or know them in person? i suppose i came off as hostile previously and, admittedly, it was due to tren + npp + insomnia and i was just having a little fun trash talking so with that in mind and disregarding my previous provocations, i am asking this question complete earnestly. i'm not looking to again start something nor am i seeking to discredit you, check credentials or anything insidious by this question. merely curious because i see people stating that you are well vetted and your statements are accurate even though you only have a few posts here, so i am wondering if you went by other names, or if you post on other boards or even if you are a known person in real life?
No hard feelings, this is just an anonymous message board on the internet.
Since most bodybuilding drugs are illegal, I do not feel comfortable giving out much information about myself or where the stacks I have posted come from or who is implementing them. I am well acquainted with the upper echelon of competitive bodybuilding.
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i don't know what i did to make you so upset to result in such pathetic attempts to infeebly insult me, i mean, at this point you are just editing prior posts of mine and cutting words out of them as well as blatantly making things up. i think it's hilarious because i can't imagine how pathetic a person would have to stoop to these levels over internet-honor, or whatever it is in your mind that is compelling you (maybe it is unrequited love, lol) but speaking in total earnesty, i am laughing at you at this point so you may want to try another approach in attempting to garner my affection.
ill stick with this one. thanks.
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He`s proven he can read books and parrot info...........oh yeah,he can use big words too. ;D
hes the next fat panda im telling you!!!
something about him just doesnt 'jive'.
i cant wait till this twink gets exposed- they all do in time. and it will be monumentally epic as it always is.
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hes the next fat panda im telling you!!!
something about him just doesnt 'jive'.
i cant wait till this twink gets exposed- they all do in time. and it will be monumentally epic as it always is.
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which differs from sub-cut injections how, exactly?
also, why exactly are you suggesting supplementation of t3 on gh when gh doesn't reduce t3 levels but increases deiodinases which subsequently increases t4 to t3 conversion and reduces reverse t3 so t3 rates elevate and as a result tsh drops to keep t3 levels in nominal. most of the side effects people get from growth hormone are due to an increase in prolactin levels, which can be remedied by dopamine agonists or mucuna pruriens.
go away bfg
I have to admit, I find it comical that you think velvet beans from vitamin shoppe can combat the side effects of 40iu's of GH.
;D
dont pay him any attention. hes a lonely kid trying to fit in.
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To become pro size here are the necessary factors, in order of importance:
1. Food
2. Drugs
3. Genetics
4. Training
5. Sleep
In regards to dietary advice, 99 percent of guys who never reach their true potential no matter how many drugs they take fall short due to simply not eating enough. The effect of grams of hormones and large quantities of GH has on metabolism is profound. Add in insulin which will inevitably exponentially increase your overall caloric intake due to the new carbohydrate demands and you can be expected to eat around 8-10,000 calories per day.
A high carbohydrate, high protein and moderate fat diet is ideal and then if gains are not consistent, slowly adding in more fat sources to every meal. In terms of numbers, I am talking 600-700 grams of carbohydrates per day, 500-600 grams of protein per day and around 300-400 grams of fat. A couple fast food meals every day is a great way to keep the calories high, try to eat 2lbs of burger meat from fast food every day (i.e. 2 meals per day would consist of 2 double quarter pounders per fast food meal). Protein sources should mainly be from red meat and whole eggs. Carbohydrate sources should be primarily oatmeal, brown and white rice, pasta. Fat sources will mostly be obtained through the red meat and whole eggs but additional fat sources such as macademia nut oil or extra virgin olive oil is ideal.
In terms of training, I do not recommend training more than 4 days per week and for most, 3 days would be optimal. Do not do countless sets and reps of isolation exercises. Use compound exercises to lift heavy weights to failure and then rest.
LMAO
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LMAO
Why?
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bfg is a classy guy 8)
bfg = big fuckin gorilla = kai greene
dismised ,,
LMAO
bfg just owned the little kid justin biber
IMO just another little attention whore trying to fit in the bodybuilding context by saying at evry single post that he uses a massive dose of all kind of bodybuildng drugs lol such a joke
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To become pro size here are the necessary factors, in order of importance:
1. Food
2. Drugs
3. Genetics
4. Training
5. Sleep
In regards to dietary advice, 99 percent of guys who never reach their true potential no matter how many drugs they take fall short due to simply not eating enough. The effect of grams of hormones and large quantities of GH has on metabolism is profound. Add in insulin which will inevitably exponentially increase your overall caloric intake due to the new carbohydrate demands and you can be expected to eat around 8-10,000 calories per day.
A high carbohydrate, high protein and moderate fat diet is ideal and then if gains are not consistent, slowly adding in more fat sources to every meal. In terms of numbers, I am talking 600-700 grams of carbohydrates per day, 500-600 grams of protein per day and around 300-400 grams of fat. A couple fast food meals every day is a great way to keep the calories high, try to eat 2lbs of burger meat from fast food every day (i.e. 2 meals per day would consist of 2 double quarter pounders per fast food meal). Protein sources should mainly be from red meat and whole eggs. Carbohydrate sources should be primarily oatmeal, brown and white rice, pasta. Fat sources will mostly be obtained through the red meat and whole eggs but additional fat sources such as macademia nut oil or extra virgin olive oil is ideal.
In terms of training, I do not recommend training more than 4 days per week and for most, 3 days would be optimal. Do not do countless sets and reps of isolation exercises. Use compound exercises to lift heavy weights to failure and then rest.
2 corection,,
1 no brown rice no long balonie comple crap,,white ricce! also inorder to get to this caloric intake you wil need to eat dirty food there is no such thing as clean dry food ...only when last weeks of prep ,,
2this is the most importent thing most most importent,, consistancy of intake of LEGIT hormones,, i can garenee you that no one who take some balonie blue top gh will become profesional ,, you need the real deal ,, like kigtropin and serostim ,,with out it in blood there is no need for you to eat much or even train to be honest,, you have to havw legit hormones, even if you eat only 2000 calories a day you will grow very well on legit hormones hgh direct everything like maestro of orchestra every big of thie 2000 calories wil go to the right place,,and whas not needed will be shitted into toilet
gh15 approved
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1 no brown rice no long balonie comple crap,,white ricce! also inorder to get to this caloric intake you wil need to eat dirty food there is no such thing as clean dry food ...only when last weeks of prep ,,
gh15 making an impact on the stock markets :D
white rice sales will now soar and brown rice will go down the company's will wonder who/what is the cause of this ;D ;D
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I have to admit, I find it comical that you think velvet beans from vitamin shoppe can combat the side effects of 40iu's of GH.
gomma throw this out there. Alot of herbal shit is just as stromg if mot stromger tham medicatiom im some imstamces. Niacin studies lower bad cholesterol like alot of the stromg prescriptiom with added effects of raisimg good cholesterol. Saw palmetoo ebem it effects r better tham proscar for prostate camcer. Cause it mot omly just blocks the ome tye of emzyme but also is a amdrogem receptor blocker amd efects it amother way I forget. Amd I kmow how stromg it is myself at lowerimg dht. Worst limo dick eber takimg more tham the label dose just ome etra pill a day lol.
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gh15 making an impact on the stock markets :D
white rice sales will now soar and brown rice will go down the company's will wonder who/what is the cause of this ;D ;D
lolololo
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Jap rice for the win!
Easy to eat and calorific
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gomma throw this out there. Alot of herbal shit is just as stromg if mot stromger tham medicatiom im some imstamces. Niacin studies lower bad cholesterol like alot of the stromg prescriptiom with added effects of raisimg good cholesterol. Saw palmetoo ebem it effects r better tham proscar for prostate camcer. Cause it mot omly just blocks the ome tye of emzyme but also is a amdrogem receptor blocker amd efects it amother way I forget. Amd I kmow how stromg it is myself at lowerimg dht. Worst limo dick eber takimg more tham the label dose just ome etra pill a day lol.
WTF are you saying?
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No hard feelings, this is just an anonymous message board on the internet.
Since most bodybuilding drugs are illegal, I do not feel comfortable giving out much information about myself or where the stacks I have posted come from or who is implementing them. I am well acquainted with the upper echelon of competitive bodybuilding.
Any relation to "Gavin Kane"?
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To become pro size here are the necessary factors, in order of importance:
1. Food
2. Drugs
3. Genetics
4. Training
5. Sleep
In regards to dietary advice, 99 percent of guys who never reach their true potential no matter how many drugs they take fall short due to simply not eating enough. The effect of grams of hormones and large quantities of GH has on metabolism is profound. Add in insulin which will inevitably exponentially increase your overall caloric intake due to the new carbohydrate demands and you can be expected to eat around 8-10,000 calories per day.
A high carbohydrate, high protein and moderate fat diet is ideal and then if gains are not consistent, slowly adding in more fat sources to every meal. In terms of numbers, I am talking 600-700 grams of carbohydrates per day, 500-600 grams of protein per day and around 300-400 grams of fat. A couple fast food meals every day is a great way to keep the calories high, try to eat 2lbs of burger meat from fast food every day (i.e. 2 meals per day would consist of 2 double quarter pounders per fast food meal). Protein sources should mainly be from red meat and whole eggs. Carbohydrate sources should be primarily oatmeal, brown and white rice, pasta. Fat sources will mostly be obtained through the red meat and whole eggs but additional fat sources such as macademia nut oil or extra virgin olive oil is ideal.
In terms of training, I do not recommend training more than 4 days per week and for most, 3 days would be optimal. Do not do countless sets and reps of isolation exercises. Use compound exercises to lift heavy weights to failure and then rest.
1.Drugs are more important then food,good fucking quality drugs is not so easy to find,food is everywhere.Just remember people what our jesus15 said,drugs are everything.especially hgh
2.You do not need to eat 8000-1000 calories to grow,wtf is this shit,5000 would be enough for everyone to grow in peace.Eat 10k cals a day and whatch your gut while it grows like weed.No wonder today;s bodybuilding is such a mess.
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1.Drugs are more important then food,good fucking quality drugs is not so easy to find,food is everywhere.Just remember people what our jesus15 said,drugs are everything.especially hgh
2.You do not need to eat 8000-1000 calories to grow,wtf is this shit,5000 would be enough for everyone to grow in peace.Eat 10k cals a day and whatch your gut while it grows like weed.No wonder today;s bodybuilding is such a mess.
2000 will if you sit on ass al day,,profesional size ...3000-4000
gh15 approved
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2000 will if you sit on ass al day,,profesional size ...3000-4000
gh15 approved
Nasser ya need more than 3-4k ya big gaylord
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Nasser ya need more than 3-4k ya big gaylord
i read this in the irish accent you would have, given your username, and the post suddenly just became one big fucken LOL ;D
"ya"
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i read this in the irish accent you would have, given your username, and the post suddenly just became one big fucken LOL ;D
"ya"
Hahahaha but will the god of horseshite see the funny side of it