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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Sherief Shalaby on December 21, 2011, 07:33:34 PM
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although kevin is closer to the camera :D
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Nassers quads are fucking ridiculous, specifically the right one :o
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Now turn them around.................. ........................ ......Booooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooom
KNOCKOUT 8)
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They both look shredded, eventough neither of em has ever been really dry. What year was that, must be close to their best ever?
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Now turn them around.................. ........................ ......Booooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooom
KNOCKOUT 8)
But Nasser was still wider than Kev from the back..
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Nasser pwning Kevin there
and from the back, Nasser's back was wider AND thicker than Kevins ever was
Kevin's back was thin- it really lacked thickness
Kevin may have been a little more detailed in the upper back area than nasser in the BDB but Nasser was superior overall
Nasser was the FIRST AND ONLY MASS MONSTER with a small waist, great shape V taper, symmetry and aesthetics
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nasser was one of the original freaks!!!
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I sense a comeback of Team Nasser, which is not a bad thing. ;D
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What contest is that pic from?
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Now turn them around.................. ........................ ......Booooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooom
KNOCKOUT 8)
this is kevin's back not dorian's or ronnie's!!..
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this is kevin's back not dorian's or ronnie's!!..
And? Levrone regularly stomped Nasser....we've already been down this road....don't you guys ever learn?
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They both look shredded, eventough neither of em has ever been really dry. What year was that, must be close to their best ever?
german GP 1996.. nasser presented one of his biggest good versions this year.. didnt keep the same condition he showed at the olympia few days earlier but still looked great and won 3 of the GP shows.. placed 2nd at 2 and 3rd at one if i remember right..
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And? Levrone regularly stomped Nasser....we've already been down this road....don't you guys ever learn?
at his best or close to it nasser was always ahead of levrone especially at the olympia..
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nasser's belly button looks like a sideways vagina
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nasser's belly button looks like a sideways vagina
;D
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kev had better shape,body flowed better,,nasser outmassed him in the leg's ,,both had same back issues in comparison to there front.
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my belly button looks the exact same way. Like a chinese eye almost, hate it.
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;D
probably from loose skin. I bulked up like crazy when I was a freshmen and high school and put on a ton of weight (fat) only to come back a twink once I lost the fat :D what a waste of time..but my belly button "sags".and you can hardly see it
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kev had better shape,body flowed better,,nasser outmassed him in the leg's ,,both had same back issues in comparison to there front.
no nasser was always better than levrone in this pose shape wise and of course size wise even when levrone was at his best like at the 95 olympia.. and yes their backs were comparable,.. where nasser's was wider and thicker levron's was more detailed..
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at his best or close to it nasser was always ahead of levrone especially at the olympia..
dude..
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We've been down this road ....ND posted their stats.. head-to-head, Olympias and major contests. Levrone Destroys him....its no contest.
These guys are funny...they just don't care about reality..."Nasser is the best" ::)
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although kevin is closer to the camera :D
Thats a Somewhat Rare Pic Sherief, both look Great in that shot who's better? Opinions will Vairy...IMO Levrone's got the Lines with Deep ab tie-ins and Deep Quad separation... while Nasser has the outrageous size with Massive Quads etc
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We've been down this road ....ND posted their stats.. head-to-head, Olympias and major contests. Levrone Destroys him....its no contest.
These guys are funny...they just don't care about reality..."Nasser is the best" ::)
i never said nasser is/was the best ever (because of his back) and i never said he beat levrone more than levrone beat him.. but when both were at their best nasser was always ahead of him.. levrone was better in keeping his good shape for more years..
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levrone's shoulders were wide enough, but his actual torso was small, that's why his chest and back were small. he's a very arms heavy bber
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what do u mean because of his back, if it wasnt for syntho, his arms would have been t-rex status
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Thats a Somewhat Rare Pic Sherief, both look Great in that shot who's better? Opinions will Vairy...IMO Levrone's got the Lines with Deep ab tie-ins and Deep Quad separation... while Nasser has the outrageous size with Massive Quads etc
sure nasser here although great lacked some details but i think you agree with me johnny that at their best nasser was easily better than kevin in this pose..
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levrone's shoulders were wide enough, but his actual torso was small, that's why his chest and back were small. he's a very arms heavy bber
yes like flex wheeler he needed a wider torso to go with his huge shoulders and arms..
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flex had a smaller waste, he got away with being even smaller
when flex does that post, he straight up disappears
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(http://www.bodybuilders.com/wheele20.jpg)
(http://frankzaneworkout.info/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Zane02.jpg)
an illusion and the real thing
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nasser is so bald
:-X
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what do u mean because of his back, if it wasnt for syntho, his arms would have been t-rex status
i believe no one can say nasser injected anything in his arms and shoulders in his best years.. they were huge and good in shape in these years..
as for the back comment i meant if his back was the same level as the rest of him he imo would have become the best ever.. some ppl see dorian the best ever,.. others see ronnie.. imagine if these 2 guys had nasser's back could any of them place 2nd and 3rd at the olympia or could any of them win the AC and the NOC as nasser did?!!.. of course not which shows that if we exclude the back the rest of nasser was better than the rest of these 2 greats.. so it's logical to say if he had a decent back as theirs he would have been the best ever..
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nasser's back was the least of his worries, he is lucky that synthol was invented and he knows it, esp when his gut started to grow
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at his best or close to it nasser was always ahead of levrone especially at the olympia..
Are you high, Levrone 4 Olympia 2nd place to Nasser's 1, 2 Arnold to Nasser's 1 and Levrone won way more pro shows, way more, and in his second place finnishes he actually won some rounds, 2002 won the last 2 rounds against Coleman, Nasser never won a round not even in 97, show some facts to your claim, non exist
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sure nasser here although great lacked some details but i think you agree with me johnny that at their best nasser was easily better than kevin in this pose..
Not easily better Sherief, there are Certain Pictures Nasser looks Great in the Ab/thigh pose for a Huge BBer, again it comes down to the eye of the beholder, take these 2 Pics iceman posted below in his 1992 O thread....i dont think Nasser EVER looked as good as this particular Version of the Ab shot.... again Opinions will always vairy on what everyone's interpretation of just what BBing is or was.
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Are you high, Levrone 4 Olympia 2nd place to Nasser's 1, 2 Arnold to Nasser's 1 and Levrone won way more pro shows, way more, and in his second place finnishes he actually won some rounds, 2002 won the last 2 rounds against Coleman, Nasser never won a round not even in 97, show some facts to your claim, non exist
i was talking about nasser's best years only (95-98).. and i clearly said levrone was better in keeping his great shape for a much longer time..
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1996 Mr. O
I just finished reviewing the 1996 Mr. Olympia video. I'll post the pics tomorrow.
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Not easily better Sherief, there are Certain Pictures Nasser looks Great in the Ab/thigh pose for a Huge BBer, again it comes down to the eye of the beholder, take these 2 Pics iceman posted below in his 1992 O thread....i dont think Nasser EVER looked as good as this particular Version of the Ab shot.... again Opinions will always vairy on what everyone's interpretation of just what BBing is or was.
sure bro. it's a matter of different opinions.. sure levrone looks great in these shots but as you see there is no proportion between the size of his arms and his relatively narrow torso.. check this pic. of nasser which imo his best ever,.. every part on him goes well in shape and size with the other parts.. from traps to calves you dont see a single weakness!!.. even his relatively long torso (which is one of levrone's weak points too) is not noticed in this pose!!..
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i was talking about nasser's best years only (95-98).. and i clearly said levrone was better in keeping his great shape for a much longer time..
hahahaha someone seems to be back peddling, nasser was and always will be shit, (ok that may have been over the top) but he is no way better than kevin, bigger yes but bigger doesnt mean better if that werre the case we'd have guys like Fux and Atwood winning the Olympias. kevin kills nasser in shape symetry and overall has a better look, oh and BTW look at the first photo was the fuck is going on with Nassers calf, can someone say OIL :-[
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sure bro. it's a matter of different opinions.. sure levrone looks great in these shots but as you see there is no proportion between the size of his arms and his relatively narrow torso.. check this pic. of nasser which imo his best ever,.. every part on him goes well in shape and size with the other parts.. from traps to calves you dont see a single weakness!!.. even his relatively long torso (which is one of levrone's weak points too) is not noticed in this pose!!..
Different views on that subject best left for another time, take a look @ the pic Iceman just posted....Nasser IMO actually looks better than the first pic of this thread more steam-lined, Deeper cuts imo nasser ALWAYS looked better @ LIGHTER body-weight's...in this Particular Show, Yip id say you are Correct Nasser Better than Levrone in the Ab/thigh but not bye Much @ all
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i was talking about nasser's best years only (95-98).. and i clearly said levrone was better in keeping his great shape for a much longer time..
fair enough, but you have to admit that Levrone's best vs Nasser,Levrone takes it for the reasons I mention,Non won the O but Levrone officialy was closer, but yes during these years Nasser was better with th exception 96 Arnold when Levrone had epic lean face
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hahahaha someone seems to be back peddling, nasser was and always will be shit, (ok that may have been over the top) but he is no way better than kevin, bigger yes but bigger doesnt mean better if that werre the case we'd have guys like Fux and Atwood winning the Olympias. kevin kills nasser in shape symetry and overall has a better look, oh and BTW look at the first photo was the fuck is going on with Nassers calf, can someone say OIL :-[
this is just the shape of his calves.. check this below pic.. from NOC 94.. dont tell me he was injecting anything in his calves in 94 ::)
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i was talking about nasser's best years only (95-98).. and i clearly said levrone was better in keeping his great shape for a much longer time..
I think your a gay, really :D I just refuse to believe you actually believe the shit that's coming out of your mouth right now. take a step back here and look at who your comparing him to, Nasser was GREAT, but Kevin was arguably the greatest bodybuilder of all time. Think about those words for a second and let the bolded sink in. The greatest bodybuilder to walk planet earth. It's like comparing Mark Mgqwire who had one good season to a legend like Mickey Mantle, I mean cmon now friend
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Different views on that subject best left for another time, take a look @ the pic Iceman just posted....Nasser IMO actually looks better than the first pic of this thread more steam-lined, Deeper cuts imo nasser ALWAYS looked better @ LIGHTER body-weight's...in this Particular Show, Yip id say you are Correct Nasser Better than Levrone in the Ab/thigh but not bye Much @ all
yes as i said in a previous post nasser didnt keep the condition he presented at the 96 olympia during the GP tour few days after..
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yes as i said in a previous post nasser didnt keep the condition he presented at the 96 olympia during the GP tour few days after..
Was that picture after the 1996 O?
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Nassoil was loading his bis, delts, calves and lats from as early as 95...its obvious. He never had and standout bodyparts, and never had that rounded, detailed 3D look that the elite BBers possessed ...he was big, very big...but that's all he had going for him...and he had a pathetic back. He was placed correctly...you guys can cry in your beer all night...he wasn't that good
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I think your a gay, really :D I just refuse to believe you actually believe the shit that's coming out of your mouth right now. take a step back here and look at who your comparing him to, Nasser was GREAT, but Kevin was arguably the greatest bodybuilder of all time. Think about those words for a second and let the bolded sink in. The greatest bodybuilder to walk planet earth. It's like comparing Mark Mgqwire who had one good season to a legend like Mickey Mantle, I mean cmon now friend
hahhaaha levrone cant be considered the best ever except by his cock suckers.. so try to forget his cock for a while so you can see his weak points.. i admit i am a huge fan of nasser but still i dont see him the best ever because i am neutral enough to see things as they are..
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i believe no one can say nasser injected anything in his arms and shoulders in his best years.. they were huge and good in shape in these years..
as for the back comment i meant if his back was the same level as the rest of him he imo would have become the best ever.. some ppl see dorian the best ever,.. others see ronnie.. imagine if these 2 guys had nasser's back could any of them place 2nd and 3rd at the olympia or could any of them win the AC and the NOC as nasser did?!!.. of course not which shows that if we exclude the back the rest of nasser was better than the rest of these 2 greats.. so it's logical to say if he had a decent back as theirs he would have been the best ever..
Nasser greatest fan and yet you don't know that Nasser has admitted to doing synthol even back then, not even up for debate
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(http://www.bodybuilders.com/wheele20.jpg)
(http://frankzaneworkout.info/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Zane02.jpg)
an illusion and the real thing
Ok, but I don't really consider these guys Mass Monsters which is why Nasser was getting complimented for his tight waist.
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Kevin however, is a better bodybuilder than Nasser. As gh15 recently said, Kevin is just an alien.
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hahhaaha levrone cant be considered the best ever except by his cock suckers.. so try to forget his cock for a while so you can see his weak points.. i admit i am a huge fan of nasser but still i dont see him the best ever because i am neutral enough to see things as they are..
Who do you think was the Best ever and why?
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Was that picture after the 1996 O?
the 1st pic. in the thread is from the german GP 96 show while the pic. of iceman is from the olympia of the same year (few days before the GP tour)..
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Nasser greatest fan and yet you don't know that Nasser has admitted to doing synthol even back then, not even up for debate
show me where he admitted this!!.. ::)
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show me where he admitted this!!.. ::)
He was asked on pro bodybulding weekly, stop playing dumb Sharief he made a remark saying it is common, but the way he said was as common as, I forget exactly the words he used but same metaphor as saying common as kid eating candy or you changing your underwear, so obviously he wasn't just admitting it he was actually indicating that you would be stupid not to use it, what he meant was plain as day anyone that heard that will come to the same conclusion except for you.
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Who do you think was the Best ever and why?
dorian (his 93 olympia version).. he presented the ultmate thing at this show.. big, thick, full, proportioned, symmetrical,.. everything was just right.. not a single weak point..
lee haney was great but imo his back was never as dry and detailed as dorian's.. ronnie's many weak points (calves, abs shape, gyno, long legs) made him far away from being the best ever in my own opinion.. samir too presented one of the best shapes ever with no weak points in 83..
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He was asked on pro bodybulding weekly, stop playing dumb Sharief he made a remark saying it is common, but the way he said was as common as, I forget exactly the words he used but same metaphor as saying common as kid eating candy or you changing your underwear, so obviously he wasn't just admitting it he was actually indicating that you would be stupid not to use it, what he meant was plain as day anyone that heard that will come to the same conclusion except for you.
man i know this but he was not talking about synthol.. your claim was about synthol!!..
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show me where he admitted this!!.. ::)
He admitted it on pro BBing weekly...he said everyone...including him...did it...there is that one video where he is doing DB military presses and his bicep doesn't move...it's a lump. I remember we all laughed heartily....like this...HAHAHAAAAA :D
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Kevin and Nasser are both greats in BB
Nasser is just greater thats all :)
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He admitted it on pro BBing weekly...he said everyone...including him...did it...there is that one video where he is doing DB military presses and his bicep doesn't move...it's a lump. I remember we all laughed heartily....like this...HAHAHAAAAA :D
this reminds me of my laud laughs when i saw that droopy chest/big belly pic. of you before you returned to roids.. like this HOOOOOHHAAAAAHEEEEEE :-X .. especially it came after you had kept saying for a long time you were not only arms and shoulders.. i think these mocking laughs of mine played an important role to make you return to roids :D
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dorian (his 93 olympia version).. he presented the ultmate thing at this show.. big, thick, full, proportioned, symmetrical,.. everything was just right.. not a single weak point..
lee haney was great but imo his back was never as dry and detailed as dorian's.. ronnie's many weak points (calves, abs shape, gyno, long legs) made him far away from being the best ever in my own opinion.. samir too presented one of the best shapes ever with no weak points in 83..
Thats a Interesting List Pretty accurate as well, You take into account IMO (1) Physique @ the Moment in time (Strengths vs weak points etc) (2) Competition it was actually @ and the Competition Faced @ that Era (3) Win/Lost Record (@ Pro level) and the Level/Standard brought in that ERA
Running though that List Dorian in 1993 has to Be Close to being the Best or the Best hard to get by those statistics and results....However Coleman and Haney is in the Mix @ the Top there 8 MR O's by itself cement that right, and if you want to walk though History a little..........Bill Pearl....MR UNIVERSE in 3 DIFFERENT DECADES....1950s........ .1960s..........1970s... .....i doubt that will EVER be equaled.... Who's the Best of the best............
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Thats a Interesting List Pretty accurate as well, You take into account IMO (1) Physique @ the Moment in time (Strengths vs weak points etc) (2) Competition it was actually @ and the Competition Faced @ that Era (3) Win/Lost Record (@ Pro level) and the Level/Standard brought in that ERA
Running though that List Dorian in 1993 has to Be Close to being the Best or the Best hard to get by those statistics and results....However Coleman and Haney is in the Mix @ the Top there 8 MR O's by itself cement that right, and if you want to walk though History a little..........Bill Pearl....MR UNIVERSE in 3 DIFFERENT DECADES....1950s........ .1960s..........1970s... .....i doubt that will EVER be equaled.... Who's the Best of the best............
this reminds me of an egyptian amateur bb called al-shahat mabrouk.. he won the world amateur championships 11 times!!.. the first time in the 80s and the last time in the 00s!!.. his career included a lot of uncompetitive years which means he could have won it for many more years!!..
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man i know this but he was not talking about synthol.. your claim was about synthol!!..
Yes he was, but even if he wasn't it all falls into the same category anyway
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Would you just stop it nassar!
It`s christmas for christs sake. Let another fat old man have a little attention for a day or two you Snooky kardashian mutated attention whore.
No nassar "WAS" threads till 2012 for the love of Nile!
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Thats a Interesting List Pretty accurate as well, You take into account IMO (1) Physique @ the Moment in time (Strengths vs weak points etc) (2) Competition it was actually @ and the Competition Faced @ that Era (3) Win/Lost Record (@ Pro level) and the Level/Standard brought in that ERA
Running though that List Dorian in 1993 has to Be Close to being the Best or the Best hard to get by those statistics and results....However Coleman and Haney is in the Mix @ the Top there 8 MR O's by itself cement that right, and if you want to walk though History a little..........Bill Pearl....MR UNIVERSE in 3 DIFFERENT DECADES....1950s........ .1960s..........1970s... .....i doubt that will EVER be equaled.... Who's the Best of the best............
I would say Arnold cause reigned from 1970 to 80, that would have been 11 Mr.O, We all know he would spanked Culombo and zane, actually even 12 Mr O cause Culombo won in 81 would have been and easy win aswell, No one come close to this dominance, Haney was trailing his last 2 Olympias to Labrada and Yates respectively and no way would have gone through Yates, then Yates has six but could not get more due to injuries and Coleman got stopped by Jay so that leave only Arnold as the one to walk away while he couldve still won, no one else.
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I would say Arnold cause reigned from 1970 to 80, that would have been 11 Mr.O, We all know he would spanked Culombo and zane, actually even 12 Mr O cause Culombo won in 81 would have been and easy win aswell, No one come close to this dominance, Haney was trailing his last 2 Olympias to Labrada and Yates respectively and no way would have gone through Yates, then Yates has six but could not get more due to injuries and Coleman got stopped by Jay so that leave only Arnold as the one to walk away while he couldve still won, no one else.
there is a huge different between who has the best physique ever and who could have won more olympias!!..
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mustafa had bigger legs than kevin nasser and branch
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I would say Arnold cause reigned from 1970 to 80, that would have been 11 Mr.O, We all know he would spanked Culombo and zane, actually even 12 Mr O cause Culombo won in 81 would have been and easy win aswell, No one come close to this dominance, Haney was trailing his last 2 Olympias to Labrada and Yates respectively and no way would have gone through Yates, then Yates has six but could not get more due to injuries and Coleman got stopped by Jay so that leave only Arnold as the one to walk away while he couldve still won, no one else.
Issue i have with Arnold among the names just mentioned is the Competition he faced in his Era, His weak points compared to the Guys in the 1990s etc, However The Dominance factor is Correct and the Win/Lost Factor is spot on as a Pro...he well could of won 12 MR O's.... However again Dominating your era against a small handful of Elite BBers against a Ship load of them in the mid 80s onwards is on a Different scale all together.
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there is a huge different between who has the best physique ever and who could have won more olympias!!..
Oh of course not the best Physique, anyone from the 90's can beat him but best bodyvuilder of all time in relitive terms. Best Physique has to be either Yates or Coleman, but easy to disregard Coleman because so many versions of him, Yates's grand prix in 96 when he super dry and super full is one freaky physique, the lines on his back are the deepest anyone on the planet has ever had any year period, but his waist was big too, so very hard to say.physique wise
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'Flex' Wheeler was an oil bag, why the hell is he so beloved around here ?
Haters just scoping out Nasser because of his outspoken personality again :(
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this reminds me of my laud laughs when i saw that droopy chest/big belly pic. of you before you returned to roids.. like this HOOOOOHHAAAAAHEEEEEE :-X .. especially it came after you had kept saying for a long time you were not only arms and shoulders.. i think these mocking laughs of mine played an important role to make you return to roids :D
You mean the pic where I outweighed you by 100 pounds , and I was leaner and more muscular than you? that one?
And BTW ...we all know you are still a fat fuck :D
You are NEVER going to "have abs" again, you are the type of guy who looks worse the older he gets, and you don't have the discipline needed to counteract your bodies propensity to store fat as you get older...you will be a fat bastard who looks like he never lifted a weight in his life in a year, hell you are just about there now
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You mean the pic where I outweighed you by 100 pounds , and I was leaner and more muscular than you? that one?
man you look great now after you returned to take steroids.. and sure your good genetics has helped you a lot to reach this shape at your age but dont say you could have achieved anything close without drugs and more important stop comparing yourself to me :D
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man you look great now after you returned to take steroids.. and sure your good genetics has helped you a lot to reach this shape at your age but dont say you could have achieved anything close without drugs and more important stop comparing yourself to me :D
It doesn't matter what i take
I look better than you ever have in your entire life, and you look like a fat little elf now..you look horrible, and you will never do anything about it
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It doesn't matter what i take
I look better than you ever have in your entire life, and you look like a fat little elf now..you look horrible, and you will never do anything about it
sure it does matter..
i look good for a natural family man at least imo which is enough for me 8) :P
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sure it does matter..
i look good for a natural family man at least imo which is enough for me 8) :P
actually...no it doesn't. this isn't a drug tested forum ;)
And I'm just as much of a "family man" as you are..what's your point ?
and i have to say, it's really pathetic that you attack me personally because i said something about some bodybuilder you don't even know. Seriously, do you know how foolish that makes you look that you get that MAD over me criticizing Nasser ?...grow up already dude. it's not normal behavior
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actually...no it doesn't. this isn't a drug tested forum ;)
And I'm just as much of a "family man" as you are..what's your point ?
i didnt say you are not a family man.. i dont know what kind of man you are outside GB.. but you said i look bad now so i answered that i look good for my current status.. my life routine now forces me to miss many workouts.. still at 80 kg i can bench press 150 kg and do 20+ reps chin-ups :P
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i didnt say you are not a family man.. i dont know what kind of man you are outside GB.. but you said i look bad now so i answered that i look good for my current status.. my life routine now forces me to miss many workouts.. still at 80 kg i can bench press 150 kg and do 20+ reps chin-ups :P
I really don't care about strength...it's funny to me that you constantly brag how strong you are
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I really don't care about strength...it's funny to me that you constantly brag how strong you are
strength + good shape is what i care about..
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zane owning wheeler in that pose
(http://www.bodybuilders.com/wheele20.jpg)
(http://frankzaneworkout.info/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Zane02.jpg)
an illusion and the real thing
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so about this book....
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'Flex' Wheeler was an oil bag, why the hell is he so beloved around here ?
Haters just scoping out Nasser because of his outspoken personality again :(
Because 92-93 Flex Wheeler was the shit...
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No, he doesnt.
That is all
no nasser was always better than levrone in this pose shape wise and of course size wise even when levrone was at his best like at the 95 olympia.. and yes their backs were comparable,.. where nasser's was wider and thicker levron's was more detailed..
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Masser had Mass, but Kevrone always had better flow and combination of mass and symmetry/aesthetics.
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nasser's calves are so full of oil its ridiculous LOL.
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nasser's calves are so full of oil its ridiculous LOL.
no oil in them in any of the pics in this thread.. if you are talking about his right calve this is simply its natural shape.. here is a pic. of nasser in 89 before turning pro. and it had the same shape but a lot smaller..
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no oil in them in any of the pics in this thread.. if you are talking about his right calve this is simply its natural shape.. here is a pic. of nasser in 89 before turning pro. and it had the same shape but a lot smaller..
When did Steve Carell compete?
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although kevin is closer to the camera :D
He ' dwarfed ' Dorian at this contest as well , and he still lost.
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When did Steve Carell compete?
lmao,,,
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lmao,,,
Steve looking pretty jacked there...obviously had to down size for the movie/tv roles
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Steve looking pretty jacked there...obviously had to down size for the movie/tv roles
resemblance is uncanny,,,
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nasser's calves are so full of oil its ridiculous LOL.
Dont think he needed to, they were always huge. Say it with me now, slowly .. g..e..n..e..t..i..c..s..
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nasser abused the hell out of drugs
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nasser abused the hell out of drugs
But got away with his health intact. He is truly the Wizard
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although kevin is closer to the camera :D
Insane shot Sherief! Thanks for sharing! Nasser hasn't even finished crunching his abs but still looks awesome, and yes despite his height advantage over Kevin he appears shorter in the pic due to distance from the camera YET he is still looking much bigger!
It must have been intimidating for Kevin to stand next to Nasser at that size. Mike Matarazzo said himself when he was MC'ing I believe the 99 or 2000 Olympia - that when Nasser comes in big, he is "very intimidating." Can you imagine being backstage after all your contest prep, looking at yourself in the mirror and feeling you look great, only to see the 285 or more lb ripped Nasser, must be intimidating for any pro bodybuilder or even top Olympia competitor!
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=406575.0;attach=448630;image)
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I honestly think Nasser's best look was in the 96 Grand Prix shows, his weight for some of the shows was up to 298 lbs. He was not as dry as he was in the 96 Olympia a bit earlier at 285 but he held the extra weight very well.
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Nasser pwning Kevin there
and from the back, Nasser's back was wider AND thicker than Kevins ever was
Kevin's back was thin- it really lacked thickness
Kevin may have been a little more detailed in the upper back area than nasser in the BDB but Nasser was superior overall
Nasser was the FIRST AND ONLY MASS MONSTER with a small waist, great shape V taper, symmetry and aesthetics
Sorry, no he wasn't...Paul Dillet was a mass monster before him, and had a better waist, better V taper, shape and symmetry.
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Insane shot Sherief! Thanks for sharing! Nasser hasn't even finished crunching his abs but still looks awesome, and yes despite his height advantage over Kevin he appears shorter in the pic due to distance from the camera YET he is still looking much bigger!
It must have been intimidating for Kevin to stand next to Nasser at that size. Mike Matarazzo said himself when he was MC'ing I believe the 99 or 2000 Olympia - that when Nasser comes in big, he is "very intimidating." Can you imagine being backstage after all your contest prep, looking at yourself in the mirror and feeling you look great, only to see the 285 or more lb ripped Nasser, must be intimidating for any pro bodybuilder or even top Olympia competitor!
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=406575.0;attach=448630;image)
I'm sure Kevin, Flex , Ronnie and Dorian were all petrified as their names were all called ahead of Nasser's on a regular basis ;)
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Sorry, no he wasn't...Paul Dillet was a mass monster before him, and had a better waist, better V taper, shape and symmetry.
lol Dillet's back was worse than nasser's, even though nasser gets a hard time for his back. Plus Nasser was bigger than paul despite the height disadvantage. They shouldn't even really be put in the same sentence together.
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I'm sure he was terrified as he went out onstage and beat him regularly ::)
He lost that show from the picture you posted, as well as every other show when Nasser was ON.
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He lost that show from the picture you posted, as well as every other show when Nasser was ON.
Do we have to do this again..? Post their head to head stats and show that kevin routinely beat Nasser for years ?
what does "when he was ON" mean...when he won the contest? LOLOLOLOL...my god you guys are thick
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He lost that show from the picture you posted, as well as every other show when Nasser was ON.
Nasser was ' ON ' in 1995 and lost to Kevin
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KEVIN LEVRONE
Year Competition Placing
1992 Mr. Olympia 2nd
1993 Mr. Olympia 5th
1994 Mr. Olympia 3rd
1994 Grand Prix England 2nd
1994 Grand Prix Germany 2nd
1994 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic 1st
1995 Mr. Olympia 2nd
1995 Grand Prix Germany 1st
1995 Grand Prix England 2nd
1996 San Jose Pro Invitational 1st
1996 Mr. Olympia 4th
1996 Grand Prix Switzerland 3rd
1996 Grand Prix Germany 3rd
1996 Grand Prix England 4th
1996 Grand Prix Czech Republic 2nd
1996 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic 1st
1997 Mr. Olympia 4th
1997 Grand Prix Hungary 1st
1997 Grand Prix Germany 1st
1997 Grand Prix Finland 1st
1997 Grand Prix England 1st
1997 Grand Prix Czech Republic 1st
1997 Grand Prix Spain 1st
1997 Grand Prix Russia 2nd
1997 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic 8th
1998 Mr. Olympia 4th
1999 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic 2nd
1999 Mr. Olympia 4th
1999 Joe Weider's Pro World 3rd
1999 Grand Prix England 3rd
2000 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic 3rd
2000 Mr. Olympia 2nd
2001 Mr. Olympia 3rd
2001 England Grand Prix 1st
2001 British Grand Prix 1st
2002 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic 5th
2002 Australia Pro Invitational 4th
2002 Mr. Olympia 2nd
2003 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic 6th
2003 Mr. Olympia 6th
2003 IFBB Show of Strength Pro Championship 6th
NASSER THE INFERIOR
Competitive History Year Competition Placing
1990 Grand Prix Finland 8th
1993 Grand Prix Germany 3rd
1993 Grand Prix France 3rd
1994 Night of Champions 2nd
1994 Mr. Olympia 7th
1995 Mr. Olympia 7th
1995 Night of Champions 1st
1995 Houston Pro Invitational 1st
1995 Grand Prix Ukraine 2nd
1995 Grand Prix Spain 3rd
1995 Grand Prix Russia 3rd
1995 Grand Prix Germany 3rd
1995 Grand Prix France 3rd
1995 Grand Prix England 4th
1996 Mr. Olympia Disqualified
1996 Grand Prix Switzerland 1st
1996 Grand Prix Spain 3rd
1996 Grand Prix Russia 1st
1996 Grand Prix Germany 2nd
1996 Grand Prix England 2nd
1996 Grand Prix Czech Republic 1st
1997 San Jose Pro Invitational 2nd
1997 Mr. Olympia 2nd
1997 Grand Prix Spain 2nd
1997 Grand Prix Russia 3rd
1997 Grand Prix Hungary 2nd
1997 Grand Prix Germany 2nd
1997 Grand Prix Finland 4th
1997 Grand Prix England 3rd
1997 Grand Prix Czech Republic 3rd
1997 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic 2nd
1998 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic 1st
1998 Mr. Olympia 3rd
1999 Mr. Olympia 6th
1999 Pro World 6th
1999 Grand Prix England 6th
2000 Mr. Olympia 5th
2001 Mr. Olympia 9th
2002 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic 10th
2002 Mr. Olympia 15th
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When did Steve Carell compete?
Haha!
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Do we have to do this again..? Post their head to head stats and show that kevin routinely beat Nasser for years ?
what does "when he was ON" mean...when he won the contest? LOLOLOLOL...my god you guys are thick
I'm sure you're smart enough to understand the difference between discussing who is better at their best vs. who maintained their best look for more years but your posts seem to prove me wrong :-\
Nasser was ' ON ' in 1995 and lost to Kevin
He was still improving, wasn't at his best.
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strength + good shape is what i care about..
These are actually two very good criteria and you excel in both! Should even modify strength to "strength / bodyweight" which you probably have the best of in all of getbig and combine that with Arab genetics, good looks, family man, etc. makes you untouchable!
;D
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I'm sure Kevin, Flex , Ronnie and Dorian were all petrified as their names were all called ahead of Nasser's on a regular basis ;)
lol I noticed you modified your post after I pointd out that Kevin lost in the show of the picture you posted to now say "kevin, Flex, Ronnie and Dorian." Except for Dorian who only did the first three shows, the rest of the names you mentioned also lost to Nasser in the 96 GP shows.
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I'm sure you're smart enough to understand the difference between discussing who is better at their best vs. who maintained their best look for more years but your posts seem to prove me wrong :-\
He was still improving, wasn't at his best.
Levrone has 4 2nd place Mr Olympia finishes to Nasser's 1...and a better average finish
Levrone has more grand prix victories...and a better average finish
Levrone has more Arnold classic victories....and a better average finish
Head to head Levrone bested him regularly
No matter how you slice it... Levrone was better.
and your argument is ...'yeah but when Nasser was better, he was REALLY, REALLY better" ::) ::)
you guys are fucking brainwashed...it's retarded
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lol Dillet's back was worse than nasser's, even though nasser gets a hard time for his back. Plus Nasser was bigger than paul despite the height disadvantage. They shouldn't even really be put in the same sentence together.
I actually was referring to what Swami had said, which is a valid point...as far Dillet's back, that is the exact reason why they should be in the same sentence...they both had shitty backs. As far as their weight, Dillet looked more impressive due to his shape and small waist, making him look more "cartoony".
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Levrone has 4 2nd place Mr Olympia finishes to Nasser's 1...and a better average finish
Levrone has more grand prix victories...and a better average finish
Levrone has more Arnold classic victories....and a better average finish
Head to head Levrone bested him regularly
No matter how you slice it... Levrone was better.
and your argument is ...'yeah but when Nasser was better, he was REALLY, REALLY better" ::) ::)
you guys are fucking brainwashed...it's retarded
Guess I overestimated your intelligence in my earlier post but you proved me wrong.
I'm sure you're smart enough to understand the difference between discussing who is better at their best vs. who maintained their best look for more years
By the way picking stats you can say Francois was shit because he never even had a single top 6 finish. Just giving an example.
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I actually was referring to what Swami had said, which is a valid point...as far Dillet's back, that is the exact reason why they should be in the same sentence...they both had shitty backs. As far as their weight, Dillet looked more impressive due to his shape and small waist, making him look more "cartoony".
Yet he routinely lost to Nasser once Nasser grew passed 250 lbs? ::)
BTW I chatted with Paul for quite a while after his retirement because he was at a local supplement store for promotion a few years ago and he's a pretty friendly, down to earth guy...he himself would not even claim to look better than Nasser.
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lol I noticed you modified your post after I pointd out that Kevin lost in the show of the picture you posted to now say "kevin, Flex, Ronnie and Dorian." Except for Dorian who only did the first three shows, the rest of the names you mentioned also lost to Nasser in the 96 GP shows.
Yeah I modified it after you posted how "scary" it must have been to see Nasser backstage...and i pointed out that these guys probably weren't so scared ;)
If you want to focus on one fucking contest i could pick one of MANY that Levrone beat Nasser and write ridiculous paragraph after paragraph about how "dominant" Levrone was that day ::) ::)
I'm actually embarrased that an intelligent, grown ass man such as yourself makes such a fool of himself sticking up for his Hero in bodybuilding contests from 15 years ago
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Guess I overestimated your intelligence in my earlier post but you proved me wrong.
By the way picking stats you can say Francois was shit because he never even had a single top 6 finish. Just giving an example.
Really? ......dispute one stat ;) they aren't cherry picked..they encompass their entire careers
who cares about Francois...that's not the subject here.....moving the goalposts are we ? ;) ;)
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Yeah I modified it after you posted how "scary" it must have been to see Nasser backstage...and i pointed out that these guys probably weren't so scared ;)
If you want to focus on one fucking contest i could pick one of MANY that Levrone beat Nasser and write ridiculous paragraph after paragraph about how "dominant" Levrone was that day ::) ::)
I'm actually embarrased that an intelligent, grown ass man such as yourself makes such a fool of himself sticking up for his Hero in bodybuilding contests from 15 years ago
K to further explain the argument here (not sure why I have to but that's besides the point), pick when you think levrone was at his best and compare that to a 96 Nasser - that would make sense in the discussion of who was better at their best.
And its a pro bodybuilder himself who said how "intimidating" Nasser looked when he was "on" and he's a better judge of it than you or me.
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Really? ......dispute one stat ;) they aren't cherry picked..they encompass their entire careers
who cares about Francois...that's not the subject here.....moving the goalposts are we ? ;) ;)
nope just trying to explain how looking at a few or even overall stats does not contribute at all to the point that was raised in this thread.
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K to further explain the argument here (not sure why I have to but that's besides the point), pick when you think levrone was at his best and compare that to a 96 Nasser - that would make sense in the discussion of who was better at their best.
And its a pro bodybuilder himself who said how "intimidating" Nasser looked when he was "on" and he's a better judge of it than you or me.
it's not necessary ...I think Levrone was head and shoulders better than Nasser...in any contest they were both in shape, and at their respective "bests"....you don't..and i'm not going to waste my breath arguing opinions...the STATISTICS support my argument, overwhelmingly. ;)
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it's not necessary ...I think Levrone was head and shoulders better than Nasser...in any contest they were both in shape, and at their respective "bests"....you don't..and i'm not going to waste my breath arguing opinions...the STATISTICS support my argument, overwhelmingly. ;)
statistics don't prove anything when it comes to comparing who was better at their best Unless both bodybuilders were at their best in the same show ;)
Agreed on the not going to convince each other part so its pointless to take this pages and pages like a few others tend to :)
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statistics don't prove anything when it comes to comparing who was better at their best Unless both bodybuilders were at their best in the same show ;)
Agreed on the not going to convince each other part so its pointless to take this pages and pages like a few others tend to :)
Statistics prove plenty. they both competed in the same era in dozens of competitions, there is a HUGE well from which to draw conclusions..
you make it as if they are bodybuilders from different eras, the fact is Levrone regularly beat him on any given day...what shape he brought to the contest is irrelevant...it was a major show and they were both there to WIN...and kevin did more than Nasser.....end of story
You want to skew it so the only shows that MATTER are the ones where Nasser was at his absolute best...it doesn't work that way ;)
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I'm sure you're smart enough to understand the difference between discussing who is better at their best vs. who maintained their best look for more years but your posts seem to prove me wrong :-\
He was still improving, wasn't at his best.
He wasn't improving because he looked his best at the 1995 Houston Pro , he was ON and lost to Kevin.
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He wasn't improving because he looked his best at the 1995 Houston Pro , he was ON and lost to Kevin.
He was on in 95 but improved in 96 IMO.
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So I take it that no-one really, actually looked at Nasser in the photo?
Some things seem a bit, oh I don't know, off.
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Statistics prove plenty. they both competed in the same era in dozens of competitions, there is a HUGE well from which to draw conclusions..
you make it as if they are bodybuilders from different eras, the fact is Levrone regularly beat him on any given day...what shape he brought to the contest is irrelevant...it was a major show and they were both there to WIN...and kevin did more than Nasser.....end of story
Bodybuilding is a matter of opinion one guy sees a masterpiece the other guy sees a disaster blah blah blah this has been argued to hell and back. And Kevin got by on genetics mainly, they saved his ass when he came in 'off' on numerous occasions.
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Bodybuilding is a matter of opinion one guy sees a masterpiece the other guy sees a disaster blah blah blah this has been argued to hell and back. And Kevin got by on genetics mainly, they saved his ass when he came in 'off' on numerous occasions.
and what did Nasser "get by on" ? ::)
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Guess I overestimated your intelligence in my earlier post but you proved me wrong.
By the way picking stats you can say Francois was shit because he never even had a single top 6 finish. Just giving an example.
He never had a top 6 finish? in what the Olympia? because he won his first 3 pro shows which speaks volumes.
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He never had a top 6 finish? in what the Olympia? because he won his first 3 pro shows which speaks volumes.
Exactly my point! Using certain statistics can be misleading
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It seems these Nasser guys all have the same view...
"Nasser was a mass monster and we like him...so there"
and when you post a barrage of contest placings that show he was bested by quite a few bodybuilders...they say it again ;D
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Exactly my point! Using certain statistics can be misleading
We don't need to use ' certain statistics ' when comparing Kevin to Nasser because , Kevin just about smokes him everywhere
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He was on in 95 but improved in 96 IMO.
I don't think so
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Shawn Ray said in I think 99 or 2000 (regarding himself, Nasser, Kevin, and Flex) that we've all taken turns beating each other in different shows and no one has a clear advantage over the other.
The reason I say certain statistics can be misleading is because some pros decide to retire as soon as they aren't in their best shape, or are forced to retire due to an injury before their physique starts to decline, whereas some continue to compete year after year regardless...now if you use their full career's statistics ignoring qualitiative considerations such as the examples I just described it can lead to misleading arguments.
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Kevin placed high even when he was off because he was the beloved happy go lucky guy and Nasser got shit on with his placings for his truthful prick of a personality. Nasser got screwed/disciplined frequently for speaking out
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Shawn Ray said in I think 99 or 2000 (regarding himself, Nasser, Kevin, and Flex) that we've all taken turns beating each other in different shows and no one has a clear advantage over the other.
The reason I say certain statistics can be misleading is because some pros decide to retire as soon as they aren't in their best shape, or are forced to retire due to an injury before their physique starts to decline, whereas some continue to compete year after year regardless...now if you use their full career's statistics ignoring qualitiative considerations such as the examples I just described it can lead to misleading arguments.
Again what ' certain statistics ' Kevin was clearly better than Nasser over their respective careers
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Kevin placed high even when he was off because he was the beloved happy go lucky guy and Nasser got shit on with his placings for his truthful prick of a personality. Nasser got screwed/disciplined frequently for speaking out
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Again what ' certain statistics ' Kevin was clearly better than Nasser over their respective careers
LOL...I know, he keeps saying that...as if there isn't a WALL of stats that show Levrone was better, no matter how you break them down 8)
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You know that not to be true because Nasser was NOT outspoken back when he was doing well , Nasser was a HUGE fan favorite one of the most popular bodybuilders of the 90s and he always had the image of being a nice guy ( which was a front )
Nasser never did as good as Kevin in contests because he simply wasn't as good as Kevin , Shawn Ray bitched & moaned and complained up & down and side-to-side and still placed well in contests , that excuse that he ( Nasser ) didn't place is lame and wrong
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You know that not to be true because Nasser was NOT outspoken back when he was doing well , Nasser was a HUGE fan favorite one of the most popular bodybuilders of the 90s and he always had the image of being a nice guy ( which was a front )
Nasser never did as good as Kevin in contests because he simply wasn't as good as Kevin , Shawn Ray bitched & moaned and complained up & down and side-to-side and still placed well in contests , that excuse that he ( Nasser ) didn't place is lame and wrong
Nasser was and still is always good with fans, yet when competing he was always outspoken against certain other pros, judges, and industry officials, wasn't always published in Flex mag (some times it was though, like his opinions on Shawn Ray, Flex Wheeler, Dennis Newman, Chris Cormier, etc.) Now with the internet the only difference is he's shared his same outspokenness in public.
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Again what ' certain statistics ' Kevin was clearly better than Nasser over their respective careers
"Certain statistics" = including contests before and after Nasser's best years as though they are weighed equally.
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LOL...I know, he keeps saying that...as if there isn't a WALL of stats that show Levrone was better, no matter how you break them down 8)
He wont address what these ' certain statistics ' are ??? when in fact Kevin just beats him just about everywhere
They think way to highly of him and when the facts contradict their claims then the facts must be thrown out.
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You know that not to be true because Nasser was NOT outspoken back when he was doing well , Nasser was a HUGE fan favorite one of the most popular bodybuilders of the 90s and he always had the image of being a nice guy ( which was a front )
Nasser never did as good as Kevin in contests because he simply wasn't as good as Kevin , Shawn Ray bitched & moaned and complained up & down and side-to-side and still placed well in contests , that excuse that he ( Nasser ) didn't place is lame and wrong
Yup...these guys have short memories.....Nasser was very popular when he was competing...he became the bitter shit talker after his prime was well behind him. he used to get huge ovations from the fans
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does nasser really need to be on thyroid meds for the rest of his life?
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"Certain statistics" = including contests before and after Nasser's best years as though they are weighed equally.
a career is a career...Just because Nasser only had a brief time as a real threat, and kevin was a real threat for 15 years straight, doesn't mean you only count the time when Nasser was at his peak...thats ridicuolus
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"Certain statistics" = including contests before and after Nasser's best years as though they are weighed equally.
This is Kevin's fault Nasser only did good for a couple of years? if magically Kevin and Nasser showed up their career bests , Kevin would beat him
Lets factor in Kevin was hit-or-miss as well and didn't take his career as seriously as Dorian , and if he did he would have crushed Nasser even more , Kevin used to not train for 8 months as a clip and then go like a lunatic for 4 months and destroy guys like Nasser , we can factor in a lot of hypothetical's but we have facts and they don't favor Nasser
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if magically Kevin and Nasser showed up their career bests , Kevin would beat him
that's where we disagree and is an opinion-based statement so won't convince each other either. I dont think any version of Kevin would beat Nasser here:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=406575.0;attach=448630;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=406639.0;attach=449007;image)
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both have those shgh bumps all over their stomachs
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that's where we disagree and is an opinion-based statement so won't convince each other either. I dont think any version of Kevin would beat Nasser here:
In the ab-thigh I agree with you ( few could beat Nasser in this pose ) , side triceps is another story.
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Nasser blowing Kev away in those shots :o
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Nasser is heavily shopped in the pic in OP, he was never close to that big
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what ppl are forgetting here are the corrupt and cheating IFBB judges and how Kevin was a huge brown noser to the East Coast NPC clique and a favorite of the controller Manion.
this is the reason why Kevin had better stats on paper.
if the IFBB judging was unbiased and neutral ,Nasser would have the better stats.
dont forget they demoted Lee priest to 6th and promoted kevin to 4th in the 97 O when Kevin had his tantrum/cry/meltdown when he found out the results bacstage that Lee had placed 4th adn Kevin had placed 6th
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"Certain statistics" = including contests before and after Nasser's best years as though they are weighed equally.
Holy fucking shit Ive never seen such blatant dick sucking.
Of course if you set the criteria on stats the right way, you could make anyone anything you want.
You cant just define the criteria to suit your argument when discussing a career - thats fucking retarded. Thats how a child debates.
Wah, Wah, Im only going to count these 2 years cause thats when Nasser was on his peak, and clearly since Nasser beat Kevin in 96 and 97 @ the O, that means hes better! Doesnt matter that Kevin kicked his ass on dozens of other occaisons, those dont count.
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if pro wins is the main criteria to a successful pro career then taylor,wheeler,kev,are the top.say's they had the best competitive body on stage during that time period.taking the mr o' s yates and coleman out of the picture.
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"Certain statistics" = including contests before and after Nasser's best years as though they are weighed equally.
LOL...they are weighed equally...this isn't the world according to team Nasser. The only contests that matter are the ones where he was at his best ? He competed for a long time. he showed up at the same contests as Levrone. trying to WIN...because he wasn't the best man that day means they don't count ??
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LOL...they are weighed equally...this isn't the world according to team Nasser. The only contests that matter are the ones where he was at his best ? He competed for a long time. he showed up at the same contests as Levrone. trying to WIN...because he wasn't the best man that day means they don't count ??
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World according to Nasser...
Check out this gem in the 96 O pics thread on why Nasser wasnt "really" dq'd.
Your post is so off base I'm not sure where to start. If diuretics were the reason why Nasser looked better at the 96 Olympia, how then do you explain the 6 following GP shows where he beat everyone (except for the ones which Dorian competed in) - for the next few weeks after the O did he continue using diuretics whereas nobody else did and that gave him an advantage? Truth is there was no diuretic test at the 96 Olympia, the competitors were informed there may be one and some used them some didn't. Nasser mentioned in confidence to Mike Matarazzo that he used diuretics, who passed on the info to Manion and that's what got Nasser DQ'ed. Also if Dorian really lost so much size in 96 in order to come in conditioned without diuretics why did his bodyweight not drop from his 95 showing? And by 97 he had gained lbs and weighed 270. By 96 Dorian's tears were becoming obvious yet he still won as he had the momentum of being the reigning Mr. O to his advantage + due to being a personal favourite among judges and IFBB officials.
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what ppl are forgetting here are the corrupt and cheating IFBB judges and how Kevin was a huge brown noser to the East Coast NPC clique and a favorite of the controller Manion.
this is the reason why Kevin had better stats on paper.
if the IFBB judging was unbiased and neutral ,Nasser would have the better stats.
dont forget they demoted Lee priest to 6th and promoted kevin to 4th in the 97 O when Kevin had his tantrum/cry/meltdown when he found out the results bacstage that Lee had placed 4th adn Kevin had placed 6th
this is where the super ego comes into play. it cant possibly be nasser was beaten, that he wasnt better..it had to be a conspiracy. just like the piss drinking whackjob mike mentzer, convinced he was 'correct' in his superior training method, convinced there can be only one truth, one 'correct way' to do it... he loses and it has to be conspiracy.
the maniac harrison on the steelers is in the same boat. keeps saying he doesnt need to change, he hasnt done a thing against the rules etc....well for betetr or worse there are rules agianst what he does...he's not being picked on as he says.
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nasser e. and mike m.